neither both are in debt up to their eyeballs and both are full of incompetent high school drop out boobs who can't meet a budget and know nothing about providing health care

uh if they came down that, i'd go with state, unless i lived in a state like california or illinois or new jersey or maryland or new york or rhode island or massachusetts or something

>>7159663
or michigan or vermont or west virginia for that matter

I live in Michigan, so....Federal.

Shouldn't healthcare be a right? Sorry Canadafag here unable to comprehend the healthcare debate in the US.

>>7159741
yes we realize once you get used to sucking on momma's titty that you don't want to let go

that's why weening exists in the first place

>>7159760
So if you are unfortunate enough to lose your job you shouldn't have the right to live?

Neither. Government can't do shit well.

My state fucks shit up as much as the government so it doesn't really matter.

>>7159741
that's cause yer a SOCIALIST!!!!!

>>7159741

This.
Also, I'm a frenchfag.

>>7159799
>implying people who lose their jobs can't get other jobs and can't get emergency care and automatically lose their lives and

>goddamn your argument is so pathetic it fills me with the urge to vomit

>oh guess the government should pay for that too huh?

State.

I would not trust the fed for shit, and I it should go without saying that corporations inevitably screw over everybody. I know that from experience.

The federal government. I don't trust Florida to do a goddamn thing correctly.

>>7160007

you never have to pay for anything once you lose insurance, right?

>>7160007
Wow you can get cancer treatment for free in an emergency room? What about heart surgery?

I honestly don't understand why it has to be one or the other.

States don't necessarily have the cash, staff, or structure to handle a new insurance marketplace. However, I think a system that allows different ways of organization and fine-tuning is critically important. Why can't the federal government provide financial assistance to the states, whilst they continue to manage their own health care system?

>>7160007
Also it's fucking ridiculous when hospitals are in the red and insurance companies make huge profits by denying care to those that need it.

The state.

They are never in debt and have a very well thought-out taxation strategy. Can't say so much for the federal government.

>>7160125
go to emergency room with cancer/heart surgery

get treatment, start treatment

oh and cancer gets medicare already so what what?

>>7160112
>implying you shouldn't have to pay for the best care on the planet

>>7160209
You would probably have to declare bankruptcy if you didn't have insurance and needed heart surgery.

>>7160236
>implying bankruptcy isn't worth it to save your life

>>7160246
So instead of paying some taxes you would rather give up all financial mobility? Also using hospitals this way puts them into debt.

A federal system is the ONLY way. it COULD be simple and easy. Everyone who says the federal gov't cant deal with health care has never seen the military system. They have what is basically socialized medicine (Active duty, retirees, family. NOT Veterans Administration> THAT is shit). Tricare didn't even bat a fucking eye when I had expensive, experimental procedures done that any other insurance company would have rejected. $2000 medicine? Sure, no problem.

THAT is the system we could emulate. We already have it ready, right now!

>>7160302

If you can't pay for health care, how could you pay taxes?

>>7159741

Canadafag here, I've been in the ER 3 times, and every single time, I was taken care of in less than 30 min

I still don't get the OMGZ SOCIALIST MEDICINE argument of amerifags.

>>7159843
>government can't do shit

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

>>7160302
>implying if you go to the emergency room and need a major heart operation that the government doesn't pay for it any fucking way if you have no ability to pay

>implying health care costs affect credit (they don't)

>implying we should pay out the ass for eternity for sub par health care in taxes just to give the government overwhelming power over our daily lives just to "make sure we don't give up financial mobility" (laughable) if something happens which causes us to need emergency health services

>implying 90% of heart related problems don't come from bad diet, smoking, and lack of exercise

>implying the other 10% don't happen post age 65 when medicare kicks in

>implying you guys are ever going to get it

>you don't

>but you're also not getting socialized medicine in the United States in your life time ever

>I'm implying lol at u

>mutebloxx0rrzzzz
>>7160357
cont.

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshall's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

>>7160357
>implying that copy pasta isn't rife with misstatements, complete skewing of facts and lack of reality in pretty much every assertion it makes

>implying government does the few things it does do well

I would comment on this, but the robot insists every comment I make is unoriginal. I doubt this will even be posted because of that goddamn robot.

>>7159843
They seem to do a fairly good job at overpaying for shit without asking too many questions. Let me and my doctors decide what I need and then just cut the fucking check.

Tada, managed health care.

>>7160327
Are you serious? The government would help drive down healthcare costs and a raise in sales tax is nowhere near how much you would pay for uninsured care.

>>7159741

Not when it makes rich people even more money.

>>7160209
>implying 'Merikuh gots teh best health care on teh planet.

I had to take my son to the ER the other day after a nasty spill in PE. and you'll never believe this but even though FOX news said that foreigners are coming to 'Merikuh to use our superior health care system THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO EUROTRASH MILLIONAIRES IN THE SHITTY EMERGENCY ROOM OMIGOD I THOUGHT WE HAD TOURISTS COMING HERE EVERY DAY TO USE OUR SUPERIOR HEALTH SYSTEMS HURR DURR!