Obviously it's your own fault and you need to just man up, since everyone is socialized the exact same way and it was only through sheer will that any man became good with women.

'normalfag' here. people fall in love all the time

shut up.

>>7157590

Bro, relax. I have no looks worth mentioning, no education, no license, no car, no future really. And real trouble with emotions, and the hidden "personality" really sucks... But I've got a cute girlfriend.
Just let go, get out of your comfort zone.

No I don't believe that, some of you really will and do deserve to die alone

>>7157612

Man and what? Stop pretending I'm a decent person, be myself and lose all of my social circle AGAIN? No, sorry, it's happened three times already and I don't want to go through the trouble of building up a social circle again. Besides, I really like the people I hang out with these days.

going to use a trip for this thread

>>7157618

Yes, because most people are inherently good and worth loving. If most people were like me, humanity would either die out or be unhappy all the fucking time.

>>7157641
I was only kidding. Normalfags assume everyone was raised exactly the same and had all the same experiences/opportunities, and that any failing with women is a lack of will.

>>7157632

Well, either your relationship is based on something other than personal interaction and thus won't last long or you're just putting yourself down to make me feel better. Or hell, I don't know, to make yourself feel better - I know normalfags love to do shit like that and you could easily be one.

you need to work on your confidence and social skills then. you dont have to change your identity and personality. just make some improvements. thats way easier said than done though.

>>7157633

You don't believe my reasoning, but you still agree with the conclusion I draw? Ok, so what do you think causes roneriness?

As a fembot I swear to you that someone out there will love you.
It's your own fault you are a ronrey faggot.
You=/=your standards.
Always remember that.When you turn down your chubby friend because she is chubby look forward to being lonely the rest of your life. If you are in love with someone who is perfect-and socialized you are just trying to be alone for ever. You can not love someone who has never talked to you anon. You can not learn to be social over the internet. Get out there and fucking do something, If you are a shitty person then change that. If you are boring pick up a fucking hobby. If you have car not job go out and find one. Jesus its not that hard.
Let me tell you how I know. When I first met my husband he was an amazing person-I was his first girl friend (age 23). He understood that he wasn't attractive to the wimminz and he fucking woke up and changed. Anyone can find love, anyone.
Pic fucking related.
How do you feel knowing that this homeless man is dating a decent looking girl, and you are at home fapping.

>>7157662

You're not going to fit a square peg into a round hole no matter how long you train to fit round pegs into round holes.
Wow, that's a pretty cool analogy.

>>7157697

Teehee. Your husband isn't attractive.

There's nothing sadder than someone so afraid of change and risk that he clings to being something that he despises.

You have talked yourself into thinking that you are subhuman, OP. You've bought into /r9k/'s ridiculous idea that there is some sort of essential quality that separates the world into "normalfags" and roneryfags, an idea that was invented so that people could avoid critically examining the real source of their problems, instead shifting the blame for their failures onto some nebulous and inescapable status as "losers".

You are human beings. Stop giving up on yourselves.

>>7157703
I'd have thought that was a cool analogy, too, until you pointed it out. Now I must consider that the source is a douchebag who'll probably die alone.

Yeah, I'm thinking it's your shitty personality that's the problem. I'm just a troll but even I can see you don't have much chance with anyone. Have you tried being gay? It's much easier.

>>7157697

what? what is this copypasta? Did you even read my post? Jesus, I probably know more about relationships than you do simply because I've spent so much time trying to get one as a person who is inherently unlovable. I don't have standards - I don't judge a girl before I know her. And I've never turned anyone down because, guess what, I've never been asked out - that's called gender differences. As an unattractive male, I don't get asked out, period. I've had a few girls interested in me, but even that was probably only because I'm fairly rich, because all kept their distance and inevitably lost interest after hearing that no, even though I own a house and pay the bills myself, I can't afford to take them to expensive restaurants and clubs every few days.
Just because something comes easy and naturally for you or someone close to you doesn't mean it comes easily to everyone else.

>>7157697
I disagree, as a pretty damn unattractive male in the naivety of my yotuh I turned down multiple friends who deserved better and chased one completely awesome person who was far to good for me. Got her in the end, long relation ship, all is awesome. I know this a terrible moral/life lesson/whatever, but people need to know the truth, you CAN have high standards.

Also OP, PRETEND you have a godamn personality. You do it long enough and you'll accientally grow one. Figure out what makes people interesting or what makes things to say interesting, study it, have a revelation and I swear to God you may well end up very happy in life with an awesome girl. Have some self belief man. I am seriously unattractive but with the correct attitude everyone is dateable. Go for it dude!

>>7157770
Most of our statuses as "non-normalfags" have been reinforced socially for years. It isn't some random lack of will, I wish you retards would realize that.

>>7157770

What change? What do you propose I do?
And what risk? The risk of opening up? I know it well, I've taken it three times. Every time ended up with me losing all my friends and long periods of isolation, during which, yes, I changed a lot, but people still hated me unless I made the effort to present myself the way THEY would like it.

>>7157785
Its still changeable with a bit of will power. Go somewhere no one knows you. Clean slate form years of abuse or whatever. Become popular. You win at life. And yes, I have done this, it works awesomely, all it takes is confidence and an ability to get rid of instincitve pessimism and blaming social environments for you being wierd. I was wierd, I pretended not to be, I ended up socially acceptable, I am now happier than I ever was. People can change.

OP, don't you want to change? Let's not say for the sake of getting gf, but for the sake of feeling better?

Will you believe me, if I tell you, that almost all people all fucked up to some extent, and if you ever want something, you have to work on yourself and you have to face the fucked up shit?

>>7157823

>>If you think you can't succeed, leave where you are, go somewhere and succeed.

Sure and if I get cancer and then decide I don't want to die, I'm just going to stop having cancer. Solid advice, bro.

>>7157832

And... why exactly do you think I'm not working on myself?

>>7157823
Well I do blame social environments for me being different, since it is fact. That's nice that you can delude yourself into thinking otherwise. I wouldn't want to change who I am anyway, but I definitely won't ever be a normalfag.

>>7157785
I didn't say it was a lack of will. I said it was fear. People want to change, but they are afraid of changing, afraid of confronting the root of their problems. So they hide. They hide behind a mask of rudeness, of misogyny, of racism, anything that makes them feel better than someone else. They spend all of their time lamenting their failures and despising themselves when they haven't really done anything to try to fix their problems. They constantly reinforce their status as social outcasts, dwelling on their failures and avoiding success.

>>7157804
The trick is not present yourself the way THEY would like (unless completely necessary such as looking for a promotion or among people you dont like but have been forced to spend time with), but find a way your ok with acting that is normal and allows you to have fun. There has to be some part of you somewhere thats entertaining, even if its just plain sarcasm. You can eventually grow into a likeable person. People accidentally sponge traits off people unintentionally so they develop as a perosn. Go out, meet new people, and pretend to be exciting for a while until you grow into it and actually are.

>>7157835
its a lot easier to change your personality than it is to cure cancer. stop browsing 4chan for a start and find a job that involves talking to a lot of people.

So.... why aren't you killing yourself right now again?

>>7157851
You assume the root of their problems is in some personality flaw which was entirely created by them and is entirely within their control though. So you ARE essentially saying it's a lack of will.

It's sad that you feel so badly about yourself OP. I hope you find someone one day and that you are both happy together.

yes, for 2 months.

>>7157844
>why exactly do you think I'm not working on myself?
Because you are still on 4chan whining about your problems? Because you have repeatedly stated that you are somehow a separate species of human from the hated "normalfags", and that you appear to have already internalized your failure as a foregone conclusion?

>>7157844
you don't sound that way . . .
did you try a therapist for example? They are paid to hear your shit and some are really good, if you have money it's a good investment.

And look, I know people can change, but a lot of that has to do with actually getting positive feedback from others anyway. I'm just sick of this "if I can do it, you can hurr" bullshit. None of us are on an equal playing field, most likely anyone who "changed" caught a few lucky breaks. Stop kidding yourselves into thinking you're in control of your lives, because you aren't.

>>7157846
Yeah I know genetics and environmental factors shape the person you are. But everyone carries the potential to be shaped into a new person since enviroments do the shaping. If you dont want to change then dont, im just giving you advice on how to make people like you. I used to be the same thinking "why would I want to change just so people like me, i refuse, and i will sit here in my high castle of intellect and look down on everyone else because I am a misunderstood genius." Then I gave acting slightly out of character a go when I had a chance to meet new people and found I prefered the side of me that people liked. Now I still have my high ass castle but i just dont share it.
tl;dr, maybe not change, just hide the things you know people wont like, hanging around with fun people will give you new traits that are likeable.

>>7157918
Well I never said I wanted to change. I get along with people fairly well and know how to have fun, I'm just not particularly "normal" in some ways, most likely due to my upbringing, and I've accepted that.

>>7157858

That's exactly the point of my first post - there is NO part of me that is entertaining.
Besides, what you're referring to here and in >>7157781 is not acting - it's adapting to the people who surround you. You do it not because you risk isolation otherwise, but because you want the situation to be as comfortable for everyone as possible. This is the core difference - when you're adapting, you usually put on one "mask" and you're comfortable with it because it gets you where you want to be, so it eventually grows on you as you grow to naturally do the things that make you comfortable. My mask isn't comfortable, it's constantly changing and it's only keeping me out of where I want to be even less .I don't want to be acting in front of people knowing that if I drop the act I'll be isolated again. I want to be acting the way you act, but I can't since such an act would not cover all the aspects of my ugly personality.

>>7157835
Yeah sorry OP, i may have forgot to include that if anyone has actually sunken so far into pathecticness that they cant change themselves at all to make themself happy then obviously the word impossible means impossible, thus you'll never be happy.

>>7157864

Family. Seriously, I'm waiting to bury my parents.

>>7157875

Well, it would be nice if the impossible happened lol

>>7157908
You are just making excuses for yourself. You might not be able to control every aspect of your life, but you sure as hell can control how you react to it, and nobody's life has ever been improved by deep and overbearing cynicism.

Basically, stop feeling sorry for yourself. You were born in a first-world nation, and probably not subjected to any truly serious problems in your entire life such as starvation, malnutrion, privation, rape, or risk of violent death. There are billions of people in the world who have it much worse off than you--you should be thankful for what you have and working to make things better, not wallowing in self pity.

>>7157908
Isn't it funny how the most successful people are also the most delusional? You have to act the part of being in control (obviously bullshit) to get what you want. It isn't that hard, even if you don't believe it.

>>7157933
being normal is not importand in my opinion. It's more about being able to respect other people to be with them and help them and respecting yourself enough to not be a real partner to people, not someone who always aims to please.

>>7157968
I'm not making excuses or feeling sorry for myself, I'm stating fact. It's nice that you dumbasses can kid yourselves into believing you "changed" or have some personality traits based on your own will to make yourselves feel good, but it just isn't true.

>>7157938
Well I was very isolated for two years and had had a hell of a lot shit happen. The only break I got was an oppurtunity to meet new people I wouldnt have thought of looking for myself. At the start it was to avoid isolation, and then it became more comfortable. Keep trying new "masks" until one is comfortable, you will find one eventually. Also try as many different groups of people as possible, even some you hate (like the high school stereotype groups, jocks, goths, stoners etc, try them all) you might find love/fit in somehwere.
Out of interest, do you constantly find yourself comparing yourself to others and weighing people up?

>>7157888

Foregone conclusion? Reread the thread, please. I never had any friends till I learned how to act and my family only started to like me when I started living away from them. Every time I tried to start acting natural again, I ended up in complete social isolation. No fucking joke here - for example there was a six month period in my life where the only two people I interacted with in my life were my boss and the supervisor at the gym. I've suffered more to try and get what you got for free growing up and you're telling I'm not even trying because I'm on 4chan?

I propose a solution to this problem.

Let us stop helping ronery faggots (Or trying to, at leas). They obviously do not believe they cannot find somebody, and they are too pig-headed to change their beliefs.

And to the roneryfags--If you are like OP and believe this, do us a favor and don't make threads about OH NOES A WOMAN WAT DO I DO or I NEED SOMEONE TO LOVE. Then you're just wasting our time and yours.

This topic gave me a good laugh. I now feel ever so much better about myself. Even though I know better, I'll just pretend you're not a troll so I can continue to believe that I am better than you.

>>7157987
LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY DELUSIONAL EVEN THOUGH I AM A FUCKUP WHO IS DEEPLY INVESTED IN SELF-DECEPTION TO PROTECT WHAT IS LEFT OF MY EGO.

Again: get over yourself. Despite your problems, you probably have an easier, safer, more comfortable life than 90% of the world's population. Your cynicism has blinded you to reality.

>>7157899

I have. I'm not batshit insane or any of that stuff, so after a few sessions the therapist started telling me that my problem is made up and I'm only making myself depressed to achieve some kind of goal like pity or attention or whatever. At the end it was basically "I AM THE DOCTOR HERE, YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID, LET'S WORK FROM MY ASSUMPTION". I quit soon after.

>>7158023
How is stating fact being cynical? What self-deception? You are delusional. You think you are in control because it makes you feel good. You very obviously are not, nor is anyone else.

>>7157987
Err... We hvae changed. Very different personalities, and actualyl being generally happy people. Compared to original personalities and being sad people. What the fuck part of that doesnt sound like changed?

>>7158043
In control of what? What the hell are you even talking about. While not the guy your talking to, Ive claimed to be incontrol of nothing. Im just happy, used to be a sad lonely dick of a person, now im a likeable, happy dick of a person. Where is the goddamn delusion?

>>7157918

Lol, you're basically telling him to do what I do. It's going to give him a social life and nothing else, and that's heading into an even worse crash than just roneriness. If you manage to get a social life that way, you're still not going to find real friendship and\or intimacy, then when you're still single and inexperienced in your late 20s, people are going to start seeing you as a weirdo.

>>7158065
I don't really know. i've been up all night and I don't really have any idea what the fuck I'm talking about.

I'm not sure I understand where this idea that having to "act" in social situations is somehow unnatural. You do know that EVERYONE, including your much hated "normalfags", is constantly "acting" in social situations, right? It's called being human. Everyone acts differently depending on their social circles--you act differently around your coworkers than you do around your friends, you act differently around one set of friends than you do another, you act differently around your friends than you do around your family, than you do around new acquaintances, than you do around your lover, etc. This isn't "acting", it's displaying different facets of your personality in order to meet people halfway--because they are doing the exact same thing.

>>7158070
Err, getting a social life is COMPLETELY the best first step to getting a girl. Pro-tip, thats how you meet them, through your social life see? Also, I'm telling him what to do because there seems to be nothing else working to help him.

>>7158077
OK, so we can agree no one here is being delusional? People have actually changed?

>>7157999

There is no mask that is comfortable for both me and the people around me. Apart from personality, there are physical concerns as well. I am VERY ugly and have an untreatable skin condition, so when I'm not wearing long sleeves and long trousers, nobody will sit next to me - how's that for isolation?
And no, I don't have a habit of comparing myself to people, except in situations when I see them doing with ease the things I've been unable to do all my life.

>>7158110
Sure, everyone changes, I just don't think people actually have internal control over their personality, they change because it got reinforced socially somehow. You can't just up and change because you want to, or it doesn't really seem that way.

>>7158090
completely true. OPs problem is he claims he has no likeable traits to display to anyone ever. Were trying to help him grow some.

>>7158039
Sounds like your doctor knew what he was talking about. Your bullshit justifications for your problems don't pass muster with me or many of the other posters in this thread, so I don't see why they would pass with a trained shrink. You should go back to him and actually listening to his advice. The point of going to a shrink is not for them to provide a hugbox and reassure you that there's nothing you could possibly do to make things better, which appears to be what you want out of this thread. The point is for them to help you confront your problems.

>>7158006

Let me remind you that it was you normalfags who made it a habit to come into baww threads and give out bullshit advice copypasta. I, for one, would be extremely grateful if you stopped doing it unless a poster is ASKING for advice.

>>7158122
Thats the whole point, you cant change by sitting around not doing anything, going out to meet new people, as ive said over and over WILL reinforce change, and it could lead ur life in a direction you like. So meeting new people is a really damn good idea, it good maybe grow some personailty traits in OP he doesnt hate.

>>7158118
So you're ugly, big deal. Lots of people are ugly. Sure, it's a strike against you, but you are vastly overestimating how much other people give a shit, especially once you are out of high school. Some of the ugliest people I know are also the friendliest and most popular, specifically because they don't allow their ugliness to become more than skin-deep.

>>7158152
Well that's fine. i just read a lot of advice here that's just "man up" or "be confident", like you can magically change your personality by through will, which is obviously not true.

Also Op, get a therapist, im not joking. You clearly have a low oppinion of yourself and you need to start thinking better of yourself, maybe then ull be able to adapt instead of pretend.

>>7158039
just popping in to say, that it takes some time to find a good therapist.
Try a few sessions, if you feel the person has some grasp of your personality and understands you, continue.
If not try somebody else.
A good therapist can be a real boon and also a place from where you can move on.

>>7158138
Uh, you started this thread with a challenge to "normalfags" claiming that it was impossible for you to be happy because you are somehow fundamentally different from the rest of humanity. If you wanted a hugbox baww so ronery thread, perhaps you should have started it differently.

>>7158090

The thing is that for a normal person, not all of their words and actions in a social situation are just acting. In fact, acting is usually used not to cover up the real personality, but to filter it to make it even more pleasant for the others. Since the geniune personality shows and it's likable, intimate interactions are possible, from which attraction and mutual feelings can be formed. If, however, you're just bullshitting to avoid being hated, you're covering up all of your personality and no intimacy is possible.

>>7158100

Square pegs and round holes, remember? If you whittle the square peg down so it can go inside the round hole, it's still not going to actually FIT.

>>7158174
Yeah fair enough, i havent said anything like that (not claiming you think I have, just making sure you know im nto a cunt). But the confidence thing is sort of important. Obviously you cant spotaneously be confident, but you need to be adventurous and try stuff in social situations and its that that can build your confidence for you. I suppose it kiiiiind of does come down to having to force yourself to make brave moves. But obviously this is very hard for people trapped in a cycle from birth of be abused, have your confidence knocked down. Therapy is actually the best road to go down to be able to take the big first steps and then you do somewhat have the ability to steer where you're going with it. I just got lucky I guessed the right steps first time i tried.

- Do some volunteer work
- Get a hobby
- Join a club
- Go to bars
- Go to local events
- Start a business
- Take a class
- Get a job

You CAN change yourself, OP. You just don't want to.

See, the fact is you're being a bit of a prick, because there are guys out there who have deformities, cocks under 2 inches erect, etc. yet you're bitching about a dull personality and lack of experience. The only thing stopping you from bettering yourself and finding someone is willpower.

I will repeat once again:
Unless you have crippling ugliness, severe deformities, or a microcock, you have no fucking excuse.

>>7158125

It would be nice to get this kind of help IRL, but that's exactly it - people don't want to have to do anything with a person like me and usually go away immediately or after some kind of token gesture or platitude when they find out how fake I am.

>>7158174
>like you can magically change your personality by through will
Uh, that's exactly how it works, dude. You are a human being, not an animal. You are a rational actor that can consciously control your behavior and the feedbacks that shape your personality.

Many of the people in this thread have noted that when they changed their own personalities, it felt "fake" at first, but as they encountered positive feedback, they grew into it and the changes became genuine. Yes, your personality has been shaped by your past experiences in a negative way. But humans don't stop maturing at age 18--just the opposite, as I personally feel like I've changed more from 18-23 than I did from 10-18.

If you aren't growing, you aren't living.

>>7158215
Depends what you mean by fit? If the squares bigger than the circle, you cut a circle out of the square and stick it in and it does fit. Thats refining your personality. So you either are agreeing with me are your analogy is just rubbish. Which one?

People like OP make me sick, I used to be like you, wasted my teenage years thinking it was just how I was and I couldn't change it but it's easy as fuck, you just need to find direction in life and everything else falls into place.

>>7158215
You can repeat that all you want, but I will repeat myself as well: YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING. Not a block of wood. Stop trying to convince yourself that you can't change--it's nothing but intellectual suicide in an attempt to hide from your responsibility for your problems.

>>7158133

Yeah, that works.

-Doctor, nobody likes me for who I am.
-That's bullshit. Go out and act like yourself.
-Yeah, I've done that twice and got isolated.
-That's bullshit. Go do it.

I quit the shrink, then still went with and ALL MY FRIENDS LEFT. It culminated with everybody planning a christmas party at my place, then going to some club instead, telling me that I'm not welcome to come along.

>>7158244
OK, tell you what OP. Give me your email address and I will genuinely spend time trying to help you. No strings attached, I just want to know if people can be helped, and if they can, fantastic, we both win, if not, we lose nothing. Ok? I swear im not joking.

>>7158169

Wow, I mention that I'm ugly once and you jump at it and assume that my only problem is that I assume people hate me because I'm ugly. As I said, ugliness is only one of my problems.

>>7158247
Are you seriously that fucking retarded? If everyone could just become the most confident motherfucker ever by "deciding to be confident", why the fuck wouldn't they?

>>7158180

You know, it's hard not to have a low opinion of myself when everyone, even my therapist, has a low opinion of me and nothing I ever do seems to change it.

Is that guy actually a professor or not?

OP, I actually do have a facial deformity and I have an awesome girlfriend. Let us help you man.

>>7158194

This thread - yes. The thing is, you people come into threads which are specifically stated to be circlejerks for people like us to feel sorry for ourselves.

No, you are LONELY because you're a fucking retard who can't spell lonely.

I swear to god, anytime I see one of these "ronery" threads it just makes it impossible for me to have any sympathy for you.

And please don't give me a response about how "lonely" is a feeling and "ronery" is a way of life, it's not a word, it's not an excuse, it's just every shade of retarded.

>>7158278
well, that was a useless doctor then. Try going for tharapists with therapeutical training not shrinks with medical education, the latter tend to suck at nonmedical problems.

a therapist should listen to you and respect you, never belittle your feelings and problems just like that.
He or she should accept that you don't want to do something and discuss it with you.

>>7158290
Read this post OP, if you dont want to at least explain why not.

>>7158006

as hard as this is to believe the normalfags are still the minority and will continue to be as long as people are pigtheaded and unwilling to change at the sacrifice of comfort.which is very unstable as is.

>>7158006

You're wasting your time by being on 4chan already, don't kid yourself.

>>7158240

-No volunteer work where I live.
-Apart from usual geeky hobbies, I'm also into studying languages, classic literature, building things and I like to grow plants at home.
-Incidentally, I am in one.
-I go to bars. In fact, when I have the time, I like to go to some distant part of the city and hit the bars there.
-I go to local events.
-Too much trouble, no. I have a job and a social life to take care of.
-I'm quitting my current job in july and going to take classes to get a bulldozer operator's license.
-Surprise, I HAVE A JOB.

So, what willpower do I need? Willpower to do what? Go out there and find friends and girls who would be attracted to me? I have tons of friends, except of course none of them would like me if I stopped putting on an act, and girls aren't attracted to me physically and on my side I can't get an intimate connection going through simply acting. Maybe it's possible to make HER connect to me intimately through acting, but I wouldn't be able to fake my side of the connection because I've never experienced anything close to that.

>>7158247

Jesus christ, just how dense can you people be?
I don't get POSITIVE feedback. Like, none at all except for token gestures and platitudes. My acts help avoid getting negative feedback and becoming isolated again.

>>7158414
Just mirror what she does, watch romantic films and find out what to say. Also, I think if you cant interact with your friends as you and youve knnown them long u need new ones.

>>7158240
Not OP but I think you're full of shit, here's why:

- Do some volunteer work: I have done plenty.
- Get a hobby: I have a few but people seem to think it's way lame to have any.
- Join a club: Did that.
- Go to bars: Have done that so many times.
- Go to local events: Gone to plenty, talked to many people at them.
- Start a business: Don't have the funds.
- Take a class: Took 4 years of those.
- Get a job: Have 2 of those.

I am single.

>>7157650
woah. this guy here >>7157618

to be blunt, you sound like an unpleasant person. well, change that. 'wah wah i cant change' or find someone who's got a hardon for unpleasantness. I'm a pretty grumpy guy but I've had a few steady girlfriends.

and quit spelling 'lonely' as 'ronery'. goddamn the ONE thing that pisses me off about 4chan is this stupid fucking lingo that yall use. it just makes ya look like fuckin weirdos.

>>7158250

I guess the analogy is rubbish.
Anyway, the thing is that if he gets a social life and maintains it by just bullshitting, he's going to hit the same wall as me - inability to have intimate connections with others.

>>7158442

Ronery is used differently from lonely, anyone can feel lonely, you have to be a completely isolated friendless virgin to be ronery.

>>7158442

Feel free to leave if don't like how things are said around here.

>>7158260

Teenage years? Dude, I wasted my teenage years (well, late teens anyway) trying to get out. I'm turning 26 this april.

>>7158138

Then have the lonely ones stop making baww threads. Goddamn. When they make such threads, what do they expect? A hugbox orgy? Almost all of them are implying they want advice or help. Stop being so pretentious.

>>7158475
nah dude i think i'm gonna stay

fucking uplifting to just chill and watch the threads here

>>7158271

So, how should I change? In what way? I've changed a lot yet the attitude of others towards me hasn't changed even a little.

>>7158240
Maybe I've got no excuse. I think I look pretty decent, and I try to be friendly, but I'm just so damn boring that people wander off after a little while.

- I live in a shitty little town. I just called the Red Cross this morning, we'll see what happens with volunteering.
- Hobby? I play several instruments and I make websites. Instruments attract people, then they leave when the rest of me is boring them to death.
- What club? Where?
- No bars, underage b& 20-year-old
- There are no local events here. Not unless you count farmer's markets, where a bunch of old fat guys fight over apples and lettuce.
- I've started a business. Making websites gets you NOWHERE with a social life. In fact, the answer "Oh, I make websites" is enough to bore some people already.
- Take a class. Where. I'm hoping to go to college next semester, so we shall see....
- I've been rejected from Walmart, even. Simply no jobs in this shitty town.

>>7158290

I don't want to. I've had enough helpers from both /r9k/ and /b/ and all eventually just started ignoring me\blocked me\told me to stop contacting them.

>>7158352

He wasn't actually belittling me, but he really didn't believe that I had a problem with people not wanting to be around me and generally not liking me unless I was acting.

>>7158497
^^^^ in fact, ya know what I think OP needs to do? ya need to just chill da fuck out, and quit getting analytical n shit. and maybe eventually if you quit acting like a jackass you'll find someone who likes spending time with you, and you'll fall in love with each other over time

the only way to look for love in the wrong place is to look for it at all

or you can keep being a whiny douchebag the fuck do i care

>>7158437

Oh yeah, there's a catch with that too. I'm pretty slow. Flirting usually involves teasing and joking around, which I'm really bad at as it is and couldn't do in real-time naturally if my own goddamn life depended on it.

>>7157632

Did your lack of education give you problems with women? Ive met this great girl and things really hit off after our first date. But I still sense some concern from her about my education. (started working full time after graduating highschool)

She asked me about it once, and I explained to her that due to a difficult youth, I picked an easy way out and started supporting myself from the age of 16. Wich im successful at (steady job, no debts, healthy social life) and that im happier this way than ive been all my childhood.

I hide it from others but im pretty insecure about this.

>>7157590
i dont care about stupid love i just want sexi tim

>>7158579
be nice, imply shes pretty repeadetly. Start with someone shallow. Build up. LEARN how to flirt by observing.

>>7158565

How can I chill the fuck out when if I let my guard down even for a second, people get judgemental, hate me and leave?

>>7158438

You cant blame anyone else but yourself for your laziness. Yes, laziness. Get off your ass and improve yourself you lazy man. I know I did. I started working out, eating better and dressing better. Feeling better. Then I read "the game" by Neil Strauss. And for the last 8 weeks, ive been getting phonenumbers weekly, and recently got in a relationship.

>>7158619

Okay, if I ever manage to get a girl attracted to me without forming a connection, I'll remember your advice.

OP you are an idiot
There is always going to be one person for EVERYONE because there is one person that will make you come out of your shell and express your feelings in a way you never thought you could
It's like a trigger...You find that person, they set it off

>>7158621
dude, then you're obv either an asshole or a fucking weirdo. change that.

or stop hanging around judgemental people? fuck, I know I'm an asshole, and I do some strange shit sometimes, but that's why my buds are peeps that don't give a flying fuck, and I pick up bitches that don't mind it and see the better parts of me

goddamn you got a pretty bleak outlook on shit

>>7158652

I will be 26 in three months and I have been actively looking for such a person since I was 20. Not only did I not find such a person - I never even came close to finding one. I did, however, get told by quite a few people that I'd probably never find anyone, though most of such comments were based off my looks alone.

>>7158641

>I read "the game" by Neil Strauss

stopped taking seriously there

>>7158509
Dude, you run your own business, wtf do you need a social life for?

>>7158673
post pic of u, seriously. Cant be that bad, start with drunk desperate girls and work ur way up. really drunk ones.

>>7158670

Of course I'm a fucking weirdo - that's the whole thing. And I've tried to change - I've changed pretty much every weird aspect of me that I could think of and people are still judgmental. I don't mean "HEY DON'T DROOL ON THE FLOOR" judgmental. They're judgmental about tiny normal things like the way I sit. As I said, inherently unlikable.

>>7158673
listening to other people telling you about your future is a stupid mistake
No one finds the perfect person for them right away. In fact, hardly anyone finds the perfect person for them
If you are DETERMINED to find a girlfriend, you can find a way. Just don't complain about it when you haven't tried your hardest.

Normalfag here.

I used to be a roneryfag. I changed. I get mad pussy now.

If I could do it, so can you, you lazy bum.

Now quit yet whining.

>>7158712
If people are judgmental toward you turn it back at them. I'm pretty fucking weird dude, but I don't sit there and take shit from people for it.

>>7158695

There was a post yourself thread on r9k a few days ago. I posted my pic in it and only got one reply - "Ugh".

>>7158688
Because business is shitty? I'm just doing it to save up money for college and life, but there's no social life there.

I'm friendly and polite to my clients, and I do good work, but they're all way older than me and I gotta act professional around them.

So I just quietly do my work and wish that I had some friends to hang out with.

>>7158712

...Okay, you're obviously a troll now. No sane person would care how someone else sits.

>>7158715

Because if I fail, I still haven't tried my hardest, right.

>>7158757

Yes. If you fail, it inherently means you're doing something wrong. Fix it.

>>7158749
yeah this guy tells it straight up

or quit hangin round dumb bitches

>>7158757
just post ur pic man. you cant be that bad.

>>7158742

Because I bet you don't get shit from ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE. I do. In informal situations even when I'm acting people usually act dismissive and look down on me, and if I don't act, I get outright attacked and if I say something back, that's used by the rest of the group to attack me even more for being an asshole.

>>7158749

Yeah, unless the way one sits is "creepy".

>>7158798
dude theyre not your friends then. Thats not what a friend does. Get new ones.

>>7158809
lol, I'm almost hoping this isn't a troll and someone is actually this sad...

>>7158809

How the fuck do you sit "creepy"?

>>7158823
its hard to tell who's a troll and who's just a fucking loser on this board anymore :\

>>7158768

And your proof of that is what?
My proof that I've tried my hardest is that subjectively, I really have tried my hardest. I did not quit when I felt the going was too tough for me. I only quit when I realized that despite all the things I've tried, despite all the effort I've invested, the only progress I ever made was getting over my shyness in meeting new people. No one has ever shown any interest in connecting with me in any way and none of my attempts to genuinely connect with someone found cooperation.

> why some of us roneryfags are going to stay ronery forever

Are you familiar with the term "self-fulfilling prophecy"?

>>7158847
I'm pretty sure everyone here is a fucking loser.

>>7158841
reminds me of the creepy guy at work dane cook skit

>>7158813

Yeah, I'm already finishing my rocketship. Maybe on another planet people will be different.

>>7158864
im just waitin for her to kick her little brother out of the house so we can grab the tv

>>7158823

I assure you I am not a troll.

>>7158877
'kay, you still know about 4chan, so you must be a fucking loser.

>>7158868

>Implying you have met 6 billion people and all of them hate you

>>7158898
dude this aint fuckin 2003. everyone and their mother knows about 4chan

And in the end, normalfags who have never had trouble interacting and connecting with people have failed to come up with an rebuttal to my reasoning other than "YOU JUST NEED TO TRY HARDER", even after I told them how hard exactly I have tried, which is much harder than any of them ever had to.

>>7158928
well, yeah, that's all there is to it

we get it now, you're a Democrat

I'm not a loser. I'm reasonably socially capable and do have plenty of friends. I don't go out as much as most people but I can still hold a conversation with the majority of people and come off as likable and reasonably normal. There are quite a few people at my college who I get on with very well.

I am also not ugly. I have no real problems with my appearance, and while I'm not amazingly good-looking (would I be on 4chan if I was?) it's generally agreed and not hard to see that I'm not bad-looking, either.

I'm quite confident around girls - I'm not the kind of person who'll just 'admire from afar', I actually go up and actively talk to girls, hell, whether I like them or not, if I know nobody else around I'll talk to them. I'm also good at making them laugh, and I'm careful not to go into any shoulder-to-cry-on relationship advice shit.

Here's the thing; nobody who I've ever been attracted to has ever been attracted to me, and I've never felt anything for those who ARE attracted to me. I've tried following the tips, I've tried not following the tips, I've tried all sorts of shit and I'll be damned if any of it has worked. Everyone I know is pretty damn mystified as to how I haven't been in a relationship yet.

At least you roneryfags have some kind of social ineptness to excuse your lack of a girlfriend. I have nothing to blame except sheer, goddamned consistent bad luck with who I like. That's what really tears you apart. That's what makes me feel I have some kind of predestined fate to die alone.

OK ALL OF YOU LISTEN UP.

I'm gonna tell you about a friend of mine. He's...weird. He lurks on /b/ sometimes, but I did not know this when I met him.

He's short, he's ugly, he dresses like a hobo. His bedroom wall has bits of old carpet, pieces of string, and scraps of paper taped to it. His room looks like a tornado hit it. And he's got computer equipment everywhere, which he's usually glued to most of the day. He's a complete and utter nerd.

But on the rare occasions he goes out, he's hilarious. He tells jokes, always has a witty comeback, always makes people laugh. And as a result, he's got a a fucking horde of fangirls. I've seen him just walk up to random strangers on the street, and minutes later they're trading numbers or even dancing (I swear, he got one girl to swing dance with him on the sidewalk).

I'm tall, good looking, and the girls usually try to chat me up when they meet me. But I'm quiet as hell, reserved, and even though I try to be friendly, they usually loose interest pretty fast and go back to the guy I just told you about.

Looks aren't much, ladies and gentlemen. A good personality goes much further than looks ever will.

>>7158969
I got a friend like this. cept he's on fucking /d/. dude's a fucking pimp when he goes out. straight up ballin.

>>7158969

Exactly. Despite all his flaws, he has something good about him that attracts people to him. I, on the other hand, have tons of flaws and NOTHING attractive about me.

>>7158999
well, that's too bad then. go away.

>>7158982
Oh god, why /d/ of all things?

>>7158999
It's personality. Pure personality. Just takes practice. You say you like going out to bars a lot...well, try drinking more than you should. Let yourself get too drunk to stop. Go in the groove, out of your comfort zone.

Sounds to me like you're afraid to get out of that comfort zone and put yourself out there, because of your fear of rejection.

>>7158928
I know how you feel bro :(
I feel your pain

>>7158999

Well, OP, you win. You are the most lonely faggot on the earth, and will continue to do so forever. Have a fun, ronery life.

Well OP, it should be clear by now that you are unable to change. Try to live in a way that gives you the most satisfaction (as much as is possible without those things you want the most and will never get), try to care less about people (they will talk shit about you) and be nice to them to just throw it in their face that you are not fucking cho seung. Die alone but with dignity.

That is all.

>>7158942

So... all there is to is that you have experience of your own to relate to mine and in fact have never needed to try hard to get social interaction and intimacy, but you still find it appropriate to judge me for not trying hard enough. So, why do you think you're right?

>>7158928
It is not about trying. It is about being. There is a fortress of denial, imprinting and social conditioning you have been put through that has altered the way you look at reality. Everyone has it to one extent or another, but people like you have it way worse than everyone else.

You are trying way too hard to impress others, it is in the back of your mind like an agenda. That has got to go for anything else to even happen. It is not a matter of love or relationships, it's a matter of life. I doubt you have a good education, a job you're happy with, even non-romantic relationships. You're too worried you will lose what little you have and that causes you to be overprotective of it and actively try to look good in the eyes of others. I can guarantee you that's the main reason why you think people look down on you.

If you're here just to whine and play the victim, I have no pity for you. You do not live in poverty, you do not have problems finding food, you are probably of good health. Try living in the favelas for a year, where kids are armed to the teeth and barely make it past your age. That's a real problem. Depression and boredom are luxuries compared to what the average person in an average country goes through.

Now realize a lot of the shit you're sweating isn't worth it and accept it. You will make something out of yourself once you do. Deep identity-level change isn't a pill you take. It takes work and dedication, but once you see it from the other side you will be glad you went through it. Good luck.

>>7159023

More like, I go out all the time and try to develop the skills needed, but I always keep a mask on because taking it off automatically means rejection from anyone. And yes, I have been actively trying to develop these skills for six fucking years. How much longer do I need to keep trying?

>>7159107
Then why have it be a mask? Why not let that mask become your personality?

Besides, EVERYONE has a mask of sorts. Everyone. Someone mentioned it earlier, I'm too lazy but you should re-read this thread.

What more do you want, someone to give you step-by-step instructions on how to be a normalfag?

>>7159080

that didn't help at all :(

not op btw

>>7159080

No, actually, the only person who ever actively tried to impress on me that I'm inferior is my brother, but he's in an even worse situation than I am, so he doesn't count. My inferiority is a conclusion that I drew only from my own experiences. I didn't use to go in expecting failure until fairly recently.

>>You are trying way too hard to impress others

What? No, I'm not. It's full-time job just keeping them from hating me.

>>you think people look down on you

And here we have the problem. I don't THINK people look down on me - it's a fact that's pretty openly accepted in any of the groups I'm in.

>>Try living in the favelas for a year, where kids are armed to the teeth and barely make it past your age

You know, if I ever magically had a choice of remaining in this comfortable life or switching to that life while also finding the ability to connect and interact with others, I would seriously consider it. Because as it is now, with all its comforts, life is hell.

>>Depression and boredom

How about "realization that you're an inferior human being, that you will never achieve anything and that no one will ever love you"? Doesn't sound as dismissive as your version, so it's obviously less cool, but on the other hand, it more accurately reflects what I'm feeling.

>>7158809

Fuck 'em. Do whatever you want. Quit worrying about the watchful eyes of others and realize that most people really don't give a shit what you're doing because they're too busy worrying what people think of THEM. Do what you want OP and you will never fail. Be true to yourself.

>>7159134

Because I don't want to actually BE the clown everybody looks down on. I'd rather hate myself than be dismissing of myself.

>>What more do you want, someone to give you step-by-step instructions on how to be a normalfag?

No, I want normalfags to finally understand that not everyone in this world can have a relationship. Not everyone can find love.

>>7159215

SHould I also ignore all the comments and personal attacks and the fact that if I'm not acting out being acceptable, people simply leave and never contact me again?

>>7159216
Okay. I acknowledge that and I encourage other "Normalfags" to acknowledge it as well.

This is simply sexual selection at work. The unfit are denied the opportunity to breed, and their genes die with them. Doesn't mean they aren't people worthy of our compassion, but any effort on out part to force a girl on them would only end in pain.

OP, I'm curious, what personality trait is it that you work so hard to hide and that everyone hates? What could be so awful?

>>7159249
OK, you're gonna need to give specific examples. Be as detailed as you can, verbatim if possible.

kgo.

it's better to take it with dignity like OP does, I'm the clown to whom people say whatever the fuck they want, because they know they can. Sure I have a social circle and people to go out with but I know they'd sell me for five dollars and consider it a bargain.

>>7159023
because he's a delusional weirdo?

but he's a fun guy so I don't really care

>>7159275

I don't know what it is. All I know is that the moment I stop agreeing with everyone and kissing ass and doing everything that they tell me to do, people start treating me bad and eventually isolate me. Not only do I not have the right to love or be loved, I also don't have a right to have my own opinion!

>>7159379
I agree you don't have the right to love. Alas, nobody does. You do have the right to your opinion.

I'd love to hear it. Tell me how you see the world.

>>7159288

The weirdest I ever got was when a girl told me out of the blue to go sit somewhere else in class because the way I was sitting was creeping her out.
Then there was this other time back in college - I was debating something with another guy who was the typical assholish fratboy and as he started running out of arguments, he just something like "Well yeah, but come on, you can't argue with me, I'm simply better". I took it as a joke and tried to continue, but he shouted and started asking everyone if he was right and everybody just kinda ganged up on me. It almost turned into a fight.

>>7159409

Er... I see the world as a beautiful place. I think anything nature has to offer to a person can be perceived as pleasant and beautiful when put in the right context.

But what does this has to do with anything?

>>7159438
First, I'm genuinely interested in you.

Second, if you have the glaring personality flaw you claim to have, it should be evident somewhere in your outlook on life.

I'm getting the impression that you're not a bad person, you just live in a shithole.

>>7159471

Well, it's as I said - I don't know what the flaw is, but it manifests the moment I let it. And even if we get past that, I have a bland personality, bland skills and an ugly body. I've never doubted that I don't deserve to be hated, even if I have some serious flaw, but at this point I've analyzed myself too much and compared myself too much to normal people to even try to delude myself into thinking that I deserve to or can be loved.

>>7159589
Okay. I wish I could help you. You may not deserve to be loved, but you don't deserve to be hated, either.

>>7159589
where are you from?

I'd be interested in meeting up with you if you live close to me

or maybe even a chat on msn or something sometime?

I feel I'm in the same boat as you :(

Why are normalfags so hateful towards him? Noone's holding a gun to your head and forcing your time and advice to roneries.

You're more fucking annoying than any of these roneryfags will ever be, you come to the place with the highest concentration of losers/ socially inept and expect them all to turn into one of you fucking ordinary drones.

Kindly fuck off.

>>7159736
Hurr durr,

Maybe it's because some of us used to be as pathetic as you guys were? I was a socially inept loser that got friendzoned all the time in high school, had few friends I could relate to, didn't get a job 'til I was 19 and it was a shitty minimum wage job, currently unemployed, 21 and balding, ugly average sized cock, etc.

But I'm content. I'm doing good in life. And I managed to bag a wicked girlfriend.

You people keep implying that it's impossible to change. Yes, some of us are more disadvantaged than others, but there's plenty you can do to make your lives even a little bit better.

I'm sure many of the losers on 4chan have also graduated like I have.