Yeah we should be helping Iraq be 'free' instead.

YEAH OBAMA JUST BRUSH THOSE ROACHES OFF LIKE A REAL PRESIDENT WOULD

another retard who thinks he knows better than a cabinet of professionals

moving on

>>7108355

>>7111565
>>Seriously, get assassinated you nigger shit.
In b4 Feds

>>7111565
Obama doesn't listen to Libertarians, so why bother?

Because if we don't, China will step in and take most of the credit. Bush already fucked our reputation enough.

>>7111597
Look at their shiny degrees. How can mere logic stand against them?

I agree with OP, although he's conveying his point in a rather unintelligent way.

We are 13 trillion dollars in debt; we can not afford to go running off to everyone's help when we are at the verge of national bankruptcy.

>>7111624
>implying Obama actually has a degree

...no fucking way

maybe 1,000, tops. no way.

why don't we just not do anything?

>>7111603
And it shall be known as the day where internet trolling became a national offense.

Think of it as preemptive strikes. Help them out today and they won't shit on us tomorrow.

>>7111643
Because that would be morally irresponsible and the United States is trying to repair its tarnished reputation in the world. Build up some capital for when we need to exercise some soft power in the future.

Although, as an American citizen, I do admit: I hate how we try to look like the world's Superman.

>>7111634
Were not on the verge of national bankrupcy, we contribute a hell of alot to the global economy, and we have an obligation to go and help hati, this is something happening in our hemisphere, we simply cannot allow a country in disaster to go without whatever help we can give, Im a libertarian myself, I dislike obama's policy, but even I cannot say people in hati dont need our help/

I'd rather have the 10,000 troops out feeding niggers in Haiti instead of getting blown to pieces by an IED in Iraq or Afghanistan.

>>7111680
>implying amerifags don't deserve that for years of shitting on the rest of the world

Christ I'm tired of hearing about this. Earthquakes have happened all over the world, and nobody made a fuckhuge deal over it like Haiti is now.

tl;dr: Go away Haiti.

danny glover said all this is because of global warming.

i want to laugh but this establishment is fucked and had it coming.

>>7111689
if we can't afford to send troops to Afghanistan, how can we afford to send them to Haiti?

>>7111634
>we are at the verge of national bankruptcy.

Can everyone stop saying that? We aren't. Not even close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

The United States is once again helping the poor niggers of random poor nigger nation #13164. How is this a surprise?

Remember when America was as shining city on a hill? When we were nation that led by example?

Now we're just a bunch a cynical greedy fucks. They should change our motto from E PLURIBUS UNUM to FUCK YOU, GOT MINE.

Personally I blame the sixties.

>>7111721
The fact that the US is that high up on the list depresses me, makes me lose faith in it's future.

>>7111689
THIRTEEN. TRILLION.

THIRTEEN TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT, AND WE'RE PASSING MORE SPENDING BILLS.

We can go help people when we have more than zero dollars. Until then, fuck off.

Everyone sends aid. Only yanks complain. See how easy it is to troll?

>>7111721
>We aren't
Perhaps.
>Not even close.
Ok, you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

>>7111742
A moderate level of debt does not mean we have no future. Inability to pay back debt would be more of a concern. With some of the highest human capital in the world and currently low taxes, the chance of us defaulting is low.

>>7111735

It's not about greed, but self-preservation. You can't be a beacon of hope if you're carrying a 13 trillion dollar deficit and 10% national unemployment.

>>7111735
Thought you types normally blame Reagan?

>>7111772
What good are principles if we only adhere to them when times are easy?

>>7111767
technically, we should have defaulted years ago, until Bush said "fuck that lets raise the debt limit"

feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm still curious about how much it's going to cost to deploy those troops there, and how much we're going to spend.

>>7111767
The fact that's even as much as it can be considered "moderate" just shows how poor our position in world economics has gotten over the last few decades. Eventually China's going to surpass us and become the new world power, hell Mandarin is considered as "the most common language in the world" because it has the most speakers already. The United States is failing, and the democrats are going to worsen it, I might have to move to Europe.

Take a High school economics class and youll learn that thirteen trillion dollars in debt is NOTHING when you consider how big the us economy is

>>7111767
>moderate level of debt
is still too damn much, I'm afraid. Especially for a country as powerful and large as the US.

>>7111847
>considered "moderate" just shows how poor our position in world economics has gotten over the last few decades

No. Look at the numbers. Our debt to GDP ratio is comparable to that of many other first world developed nations. We are in good company.

>>7111862
US economy is 10 trillion a year GDP

13 trillion is more than the whole nation produces in a year

We ain't gonna be selling off assets to pay that shit off

So your high school economics course is retarded because it obviously never mentioned to you the effects of inflation or worse hyper inflation

>>7111798
President Reagan himself was a symptom of the civic rot caused by the sixties.

>>7111862
The fact we're in debt to begin with is horribly embarrassing. And I doubt anyone's even going to bother to pay it off, ever.

>>7111892
exactly. fuck that. we're fucking America, we're supposed to be better than everyone else but nope we've been fucking it up for a long time.

>>7111902
Yeah ten trillon dollars produced YEARLY, we have a thirteen trillion dollar debt total, timeframe matters as well, guess Im not a fucking retard.

Obama should be sending more aid to the white third world countries.

>white third world countries

Oh wait...

P.S. Blacks should be allowed to die off. It's kinda clear at this point that it's what god wants.

>>7111810
That sounds like something Captain America would say. Brofist.

>>7111915
On the other hand, every industrialised country has huge debts. It is part of the machine that keeps the economy running, I think. Strange, but somehow inherent to the system.

jews
jews everywehresdjfkas;ldjf

>>7111892
Those numbers are still too fuck high. And nobody in this country is ever going to even lift a god damn finger to pay it back, the only thing people are going to do is just spend more. The US is going to it's position and become no more significant than France or Spain. Temporarily maybe, but still, this country is going to go through a "not as good as it use to be" phase like all nations had to at least once.

>>7111956
we didn't need that debt at the end of the 90's...

>>7111902
Who the hell says we need to pay it all off in one year?

And what inflation? Deflation has been a much more pressing concern during this financial crisis. If it becomes an issue after the recovery, the Fed will just tighten monetary policy up a bit. We have a competent academic for Chairman.

I had a teacher that blamed reagan. claimed he started the snowball thats sucking the life out of america.

>>7111902

as a neo-lib i don't see why we can't make you work 24 hours a day in the service sector. places like micky d's are great for a country to prosper rather than working in the producing sectors like farms, amirite?

>>7111892
He's basically trying to say that America's influence is eventually going to become less significant than it is now, or in the past. And that eventually it'll become less important to the world economy; but still important, just less than now.

>>7111932
10 trillion produced annually yes, but we can't just stop spending money one year to put all 10 trillion towards debt payments, in fact we couldn't take 1 trillion a year for 13 years and put it towards debt payments, it will take more like 30 years of regularly attempting to pay off that debt to pay it off if we suddenly stopped acquiring debt at the same time, just to stop inflation from going out of control, and we can't do that either because there are so many entitlements and military programs that must be funded or American power will decline rapidly and we won't be making 10 trillion GDP a year anymore at all.

The only solution unfortunately is to inflate our way out of it, and that means the threat of hyper inflation, which will destroy the economy, undermine the value of the dollar and harm our strength world wide in the process

So you are retarded

But by all means, go and take out loans in excess of your yearly income for us and let us know how it works out

>>7111972
>than working in the over subsided politically connected sectors like farms, amirite?

Fucking subsidized leaches cause hunger in the developing world. If we are going to subsidize something (we shouldn't), it should be for developing a high tech manufacturing base or something else that actually complements our competitive advantage.

Unfortunately any other president would to the same, sir. Still fuck it, I wish the U.S.A were isolationists.

after the horrific slavery america put haitians through then completely ignoring them once there was a slave revolt, it's the least america could do

>>7112003
>go and take out loans in excess of your yearly income for us and let us know how it works out

My parents did that. It was called a house mortgage. It worked out fine. (lol pre bubble mid 1990s)

>>7111968
blox
>Who the hell says we need to pay it all off in one year?

Again, if we can't pay it off in one year, we have to cut way back to pay it off every year for decades

That's a fucking issue

That's why we say we're saddling our children with our debt, because they'll be paying it off if we don't inflate the dollar to get us out of debt, and that will harm confidence in the dollar and could lead to a spiral of dollar printing which will destroy it's value

Do you WANT to have to wheel barrow your monthly earnings down to wal mart's grocery to buy one loaf of bread for the month?

Cause that's what hyper inflation means

>>7112025
>trying to isolationist in a world that is thriving on interconnectedness

oh you

>>7112008

how can you when producing jobs aren't here anymore? don't you get it? plus, monsanto doesn't cause hunger, they cause malnutrition. family farms ftw!

>>7112035
They fucked up then, they shouldn't be putting themselves in a situation where they have to pay more than about 20% of their annual income in mortgage payments, however housing payments are a different matter, because you spread that payment out over 15 or 30 years (if you're an idiot you pick 30) and it does tend to destroy people's ability to generate real wealth for themselves

The problem comes from the unfettered spending, you can buy a house for 120,000 if you make 80k a year, no big deal, but when you also grab two 25k cars, rack up another 20k in credit card debt, all of a sudden you're in deep shit and you don't know how it happened

The best thing to do is adopt a save every fucking penny you can for a rainy day mindset and only have a 15 year mortgage that only represents about 20% of your total after tax yearly income, 25% of you're exceedingly wealthy and no other debt.

>>7112003
WTF IS YOUR POINT, every nation has debt, our debt isnt that much when compared to the money we pull in, if anything the reason we have such a high debt is mismanagement of money by the government, the point I was making is that you dont just not contribute to a country in need because we are in debt, thats retarded, what the world needs now is unification, we need to make sacrifices to help our fellow man, thats what can help the shit were in now, because when you think about it, national debt is the least of worries, we have potential nuclear war, depletion of oil, and depletion of thje worlds resources to worry about, and thoes problems will never be solved until we unify and work together.

>>7112025
da truf, yo

>>7112031

oh i get it!

whew

>>7112074
yeah this is why I'm never voting Democrat.

Lols, He's just showing up Bush in this move. Where Bush wouldn't bother to fix-help New Orleans, Obama would have been, as shown via Haiti.

Obama 5 Bush 0

>>7112074
blox
>WTF IS YOUR POINT, every nation has debt, our debt isnt that much when compared to the money we pull in,

Actually, yes it is, again, at the rate we're going in another decade it'll take several generations to pull ourselves out of debt without massively printing our dollar, leading to devaluation and inflation, driving cost of living higher and higher and putting a strain on our entire system, destroying confidence in the dollar and leaving our children destitute.

No nation should put themselves in that situation

Just because every other nation is throwing themselves off a bridge doesn't mean we should

>>7111721
>oh well that not so bad, not as bad as i thought it was
>click link on the page
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
>top of the list
>chortling_elf_fellow.jpg

If something like this happened in Europe do you think Obama would be so quick to help? Nope. Obama doesn't care about white people.

>>7112065
>you can buy a house for 120,000

LOL enjoy your midwest/south

Lol, liberals getting owned ITT

>>7112106
Running a country is more than just about finances, yes we need to lower spending, not helping hati, not the right move, thats my point.

>>7112095
http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/05/rumsfeld-fiddled-while-new-orleans-drowned.html

Rumsfeld made Bush look like a fucking saint

I remember reading this crap somewhere else, wish I still had the full article.

hell I'd rather have fucking Cheney with Pelosi as his VP running this country Rumsfeld.

>>7112127

dude you should have seen this turtle thread. lolbertarians were rocking their asses.

>>7111735
Lol, you really don't get it do you?

We have no room to go cavaliering out to help others, we are poor. We have enough issues at home to fix before we can even help any other country. Haiti is a worthless country anyway; the neighboring countries were hit JUST AS BAD and we don't see them crying for help. Maybe they should man the fuck up and do something about their third world country.

>>7112117
We are talking about public, government debt here.

Remember, if you tell private households to stop borrowing money excessively, you are interfering with the market and are a freedom hating communist.

>>7112085
but the most debts were piled up while republicans had the presidency?

>>7112168
We had to fight those wars. We _had_ to for our own security. And plus the democrats in congress voted for it too. So there.

>implying Bush had anything to do with Katrina when the Federal government has no legal recourse to send any aid to a state until requested to by the state's governor who, at the time, refused to ask for assistance because she was a Democrat and hated Bush and wouldn't ask him for assistance until she had to

>>7112168
The entire issue was because of

The Federal Reserve
The income tax

these two things alone have contributed greatly to our downward spiral. PLZ LERN HISTORY KTHX

>>7112117
>looks down page further
>Haiti
>140th on the list
>$1,475 in external debt
pic related, its me when i realized i could pay off the external debt of whole countries with my pocket change

>>7112168
Yeah, but you have to also understand that the ones making the debt weren't just republicans, they were also FUCKING RETARDS.

>>7112197
>complaining about debt
>complaining about taxes that could be used to pay down debt

wat

>my face when idiots didn't understand how important the Caribbean was to national safety

>>7112120
just an example but yes I do live there and it's nice having a lower cost of living than elsewhere

I could buy a foreclosed home for under 30k that would be three times the size of a half million dollar home in California

More importantly, getting a loan for a house much larger than 150 grand is retarded no matter how much you're making per year and if you can't find one for that price in your area it's time to mooooooooooooooooooooovvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>7112234
The income tax is so insanely unfair.

You're taxing someone FOR MAKING MONEY. A sales tax is much more intelligent and would pull in a whole lot more money; the more somebody consumes the more in taxes they have to pay.

>>7112234
>pretending we should be taxed more to pay more debt to be taxed more to pay more debt to be taxed more to pay more debt

>enjoy your total collapse of your government, your inability to feed or live a reasonable lifestyle or expect to work for anything but wage slavery in the next 100 years

>>7112245
ohiofag here. i rent out a decent sized 3 bedroom house in a suburb for $875/mo. it's in a quiet side street too. feels good man.

>>7112245
>if you can't find one for that price in your area it's time to mooooooooooooooooooooovvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

No thanks. One's standard of living is more than just how much excess money they have after their debts, expenses, and scheduled savings. I for one enjoy not living in the middle of nowhere.

>>7112186
Bush was racking up debt before the wars.

>>7112168
yeah the Republicans did a pretty crappy job of running the country for 6 years, and Bush's last 2 years weren't great either, so I just didn't vote in '08.

watching the Democrats run the country though is absolutely insane. I don't care if the RNC makes it a requirement to hate muslims this year, I'm voting straight red in November.

>>7112256
it also discourages domestic purchase and investment, one of the reasons I'm pretty hesitant about the Libertarians. they seem to be reppin the Fair Tax pretty hard.

Don't vote Republican, vote Conservative/Libertarian.

>>7112256
>the more somebody consumes the more in taxes they have to pay.

Yes. Place a highly regressive incentive against consumer spending. That will definitely help our output gap.

>>7112293
blox
>Bush was racking up debt before the wars.

How you can say that I dunno. You must not have been there. Brotip: Bush was in office a mere 8 months before 9-11, the first war started two months later, the next war started a short year or so after that, there wasnt' time for Bush to rack up debt prior to the wars

HURR DURR IM TAXED ENUF ALREADY
OBAMBI GONNA RAISE TAXES 2 TEH HIGHEST LEVEL EVEAH!

there wont be rich people under obama now!

DERP

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

>>7112312
No it doesn't. We had a booming economy before the Great Depression and all we had was sales tax.

People are fucking stupid for trying to pay for some obscene fucking McMansion over the course of 30 years. Its a racket. By the time you finish paying it off you'll be retired and be forced to lose it to a reverse-mortgage to meet ends meet, or you'll die and your kids will sell the house before your body is even in the ground.

Fuckin ungrateful niggers are actually complaining that aid isn't getting to them fast enough, the USS Vincent had to anchor a little ways off the coast cause they thought they'd try to fucking board the ship and steal supplies. Fucking ridiculous man, why the fuck do we help people like this?

Think of how much money god saved the US in atomic bombs and stuff. The US didn't have to bomb it, and can invade it and do whatever the fuck they want with that poor country, now. It's complete control, something that US governments have been trying to obtain for the last 200 years.
Since it's foundation, the US has boycotted and drained it. No way a free slave republic can survive with dignity in America's backyard. Not to mention, fortifying a strategic military base against Cuba. Not to mention the hordes of Evangelical preachers that will go there to convert the heathens and make them more docile, more productive and cheaper labor.
You idiots really believe in Christian charity, don't you?

>>7112324
>Pretending those high ass tax rates through the 30s and 40s didn't directly contribute to the Great Depression, extend it, destroy wealth in the nation and put the majority of people in abject poverty

>implying we should go back to that

>implying tax rates now aren't still too high simply because in the past FDR was a fat headed stooge moron communist in sheep's clothing

>>7112325
>We had a booming economy before the Great Depression and all we had was sales tax.

We had a booming economy before the Great Depression and we didn't have computers. We need to get rid of computers to fix our economy.

See, confusing correlation with causation can be fun.

>>7111565

yeah because letting a country collapse completely and run the risk of intrests hostile to the US taking control would be a great idea!

>>7112197
well, those don't really help, what it was was Bush spending like a fucking drunken sailor.

>>7112208
this. there's a reason conservative leaning moderates, a HUGE portion of the country, voted straight blue in '08. only the hardcore right still voted red.

>>7111748
>DEFICIT
lol

Also, by that logic, no developed country should be helping anybody. Most of the low debt countries are in Africa.

Do we even have 10,000 troops to spare?

It would appear that people haven't bothered to realize just how devistating the Haitian earthquake was.
It was a 7.0 quake. The great San Francisco earthquake was 8.0.

I can see where people are wondering why we're spending money that our country needs to save to help with the debt, but this is an act of good will. I'm sure that if we got hit by a 7.0 quake in the New Madrid fault line, we would be acting like the world owes us and demand that they give us money.

>>7112373
>>implying 8.0 isn't 10 times more powerful then a 7.0 earthquake.

>>7112325
...what? we've had income tax since what, 1914?

either way, that economy was a bubble.

>>7112317
I'd love to, but my priorities lie in getting the Democrats out of office, and the Republicans are putting up the best fight for that this year.

>>7112367
we do, actually.

We could also use those 10.000 to in Iraq or Afghanistan but noooo.

>>7112354
>doesn't understand history
>doesn't understand the graph

haitian government has given the u.s. their airport.

you lost bitches!

Obama is helping them because they are black.

oppressedbythemankeepingmedownblox
>>7112462
won't someone think of the poor oppressed white man?

>>7112441
it has nothing to do with number, its cost.

how much does it cost to deploy 10k to Haiti? no fucking clue. I'd really love to hear the figure on that.

>>7112447
>understands history better than you
>educated on history better than you
>understands exactly why those tax rates are where they are
>understands they weren't necessary to win WW2 and in fact stifled the economy and made winning the war harder
>understands that those policies exacerbated the Great Depression by a whole extra decade
>understands you're a liberal idiot who thinks it's okay to tax the rich at nearly 100% of their income

>>7112373

>I cannot understand logarithmic scales.

Back to school kid.

10,000 TROOPS???

He is trying way too hard to earn that Nobel Peace prize.