>I am going to attempt to have a sane and proper discussion of furries
Yiff in hell, furfaggot.

Replying to my own thread as I wait for the flood of drivel to begin....

There seems to be a pretty deep obsession with naming, quantifying and giving back-story in the furry community as well. It all feels very "13 year old girl" to me. It's particularly apparent in the sparkledog side of the world.... what drives the obsession with having an alter-ego?

Is this just an accident of the community as it developed? Something that furries get acculturated to, or is there some underlying need to substitute one's life that drives people to become furries?

Two words:

Fur

Suits

>exactly what it is that makes them so reviled in general
they dress up like animals and hold conventions. If they were just dudes drawing pictures of wolves with tits nobody would really care

>It's always bright colors, clean lines and extremely anime inspired.
they're afraid of the real world and probably like anime because of the porn

It's because a lot of furries don't view it as a fetish but they bill it as some sort of lifestyle, which is bullshit. The get up on a moral high horse and shit and it's just annoying. Shit, I've even fapped to furry shit, but I don't think I'm an animal or some dumb shit like that. And people who like anal don't bill it as a lifestyle, it's a fetish.

Give me a minute. I'm going to make a quick trip to /v/ and grab their rage images.

Then you'll see.

>>6575665

That's a good point. There seems to be a huge need to replace real life with fur in the fur community. Why the substitution?

Is it because of the persecution, or is this something else?

Well, people who believe in retarded things (like that they're really a wolf inside) are more often than not, retards. People don't really hate furries any more than they hate morons.

as for the art style its totally 90s raver. because people had ecstasy, and furries can be compared to kittens, soft lovable etc. there are at least a couple kinds of furries;

the spirit-animal weirdos who live in shacks in the midlands,

and the candy-ravers.

what's behind all of it is just a need for warm soft acceptance and love. not hugged enough as a child, etc.

>>6575672

I've seen the one with the anon ?greenhead guy "discussing" with a furry that the reason they are hated is the whiny persecution complex, not the fetish. Had some good points in it.

>>6575672 asdadadsads
I wait for you.

>>6575693
I suspect it's to make them feel unique and different or something of that sort. That or they feel alienated for unrelated reasons, and turn to the fur community as a coping mechanism. I'm not really all that well versed in psychology, but this seems like it's the most likely explanation for it.

Basically I don't think the persecution starts as a result of the fetish itself, but as a result of the community bringing it out into the open and forcing it in the faces of others. People can be fine with whatever fetishes you have, but sometimes they just don't want to see that shit.

>>6575708

>what's behind all of it is just a need for warm soft acceptance and love. not hugged enough as a child, etc.

OK, how's this for a theory? Furries need to imprint themselves on animals and seek acceptance in animal form because animals in general are very easy to gain acceptance from.

Typing as I think here, but almost all animal species will be very friendly and accepting of you if you just do basic things- pet them, feed them, protect them and spend time. Animals bond easily and are generally non-judgmental. So, furries seek to flee the complexity and rejection of human interaction and replace it with animal affection?

I have a friend who is a furry and he's fairly normal, We met through our medical studies (he quit now and went into industrial design)
Through him i've met other furries and its safe to say that Furries are generally the ugliest, aspiest, most dramafilled dregs of society.
They have terrible social skills so if someone is really creepy (pedophile/beastophile) they don't know how to keep them away from them so if you ever do anything with them you sometimes are forced to talk to some awful people.

>>6575619
Yiffyiffyiffyiffyiff

This, motherfucking right here, is why I hate god damned furries.

>>6575796
>but almost all animal species will be very friendly and accepting of you if you just do basic things- pet them, feed them, protect them and spend time.

This is incredibly naive view of animal behavior, and is guilty of the same anthropomorphism that furries engage in.

>>6575796
You've probably got something there in why the attraction is to animals specifically. Probably relates back to the themes of acceptance stories an true love in the OP.

>>6575796

Interesting also that all animals in furry content seem to be pretty pet like. I've never seen a lot of actual animal behavior like predation and hostility. It's a rather immature view of animals, but furries seem riddled with immaturity anyway- the plots and stories, as I said, seem to be very pre-adolescent.

>>6575839
It's a pretty narrow view, but it is the general perception (or at least the idealized perception) of how most domesticated animals behave. I guess furries just apply it to all animals or something.

>>6575839

I know it's an incredibly immature view of animal behavior- but I think that's where the furries are coming from, as you mentioned. I think there is a real confusion or need to impose a "pet or domesticated animal" vision of animals on the world in the furry community.

Furry here.

Generally (not ALWAYS), you get people using furry as a way to create an idealized reality, usually containing the things that are missing in real life. That's why you get a lot of 'true love' and stuff like that in backstory (and why you get these deep backstories to begin with), since furries tend to be socially-awkward and therefore more likely to be missing these things in their 'real lives'.

As a furry, I don't give a fuck about furry... you shouldn't either.

>>6575811

There may be a general thread here that gives some enlightenment.

I'm from /tg/ and it's just a known part of the community that the RPG world is full of unhealthy, unsocial, non-functional, socially inept people. Many speculate that the hero/empowerment fantasy that underlies roleplaying games is an escapist mechanism for many of the people who indulge in it.

Interestingly enough, /tg/ often laments that it is the most furry friendly board... perhaps the escapism and need to substitute for a crappy life is an underlying theme between the two sub-cultures.

Also, I must say that a lot of people in this thread are literally making shit up out of whole cloth that doesn't make any sense, lol.

At least leave the armchair psychology to someone with first-hand experience.

>>6575848

You've little experience with furry and much experience with the 'ragebait' the likes of 4chan spread around. Furries vary as much in this regard as anyone else.

There is probably a correlation between a lack of satisfying physical attention from the opposite gender and the attachment and security you felt with your stuffed animals when you were younger.

>>6575975
Like I said, I'm not real well versed in psychology, I just wanted to get a discussion going. I'm kind of interested to see what actual opinions get put on the table here.

>>6575938
>>6575975

OK, case in point. Here we have a furry. Note the "I'm 14 guys!" AOLisms in the language here.

>generally (not ALWAYS) [redundant emphasis in CAPS]
>making shit up out of whole cloth that doesn't make any sense, lol. [lol punctuation and "stream of consciousness" writing style with another redundancy
>general poor grammar and run on sentences.

Are furries generally less intelligent, younger or less mature than average? Anyone have any insights here?

I masturbate to furporn a lot. It's hot-- don't diss it until you try it.

In a matter of fact, I think I'll masturbate to some right now.

>>6575975
>leave the armchair psychology to someone with first-hand experience
Ah, yes, the ever popular therapeutic model where the patient self-diagnoses and says, "You don't know what it's like to be me!"

You're an idiot. And a tripfag. And a furry. Congratulations on achieving the impossible - Fail Trifecta.

go to 99chan if you want civil discussion

>>6576048
I think that being furry is generally a sign of social immaturity at the very least, so it's possible a good deal of them may be mentally immature as well. Doesn't necessarily require that to be true though.

>>6576052
I like it, but the issue here is furries who actually think that they're animals and that being a furry is a lifestyle, not just a fetish.

>>6576048

1. Hey, I'd use italics if they were available. I emphasize text the same way I would if I was speaking; what's "AOLism" about that? I think you're just grasping at straws here.

2. One can make shit up out of whole cloth that does make sense. I was pointing out that on top of making things up, they aren't even logically consistent. Also, I find "lol" a decent substitute for an onomatopoeia.

3. How about you start capitalizing your sentences before shitting on my grammar? You may find it a refreshing dip in the logic pool.

What you seem to demonstrate is a yearning to 'hate on' this group so profound that you have to dig this deep to find something to insult. Over the years I've found this an interesting phenomenon in and of itself, not of furries specifically but indirectly related to the fandom.

As an interesting juxtaposition, notice how no one refers to the pervasive use of "fag" on 4chan as an "AOLism" reserved for "14 year-olds". Think about why that is, and you make come to a realization.

I often wonder about how furries really feel inside. Is it really just a fetish gone overboard or do some furries really believe they are actually animals.

The reason I contemplate upon this is because I'm transsexual myself. It makes me wonder how their situation differs from mine. Though born as a man, I feel like I'm a woman. Do furries feel similarly? If so, what makes my position more acceptable than theirs? Or is it even more acceptable?

If they really feel like they're supposed to be some sort of anthropomorphic animals, then I do somewhat sympathize with them, since the feeling I have is considerable frustrating. I'm often left quite perplexed by the issue since I do not really know how to feel about it.

>>6576223
>Though born as a man, I feel like I'm a woman.

This is just your justification for being gay.

Also, furries are trash. Not because of the porn (hell, fap to whatever the fuck you want, I don't care), but god dammit, it's the extreme they need to pull their shitty "lifestyle" to, so they can feel unique. You know what I wish I still had? It was a screencap from deviantART, the furry-Mecca of the internet. It was some fur artist who had a picture of a horse in a field. The paragraph under it stated that he lost his virginity to that horse, and he loved her, and no one understood what they shared, and how he was persecuted and all that.

HE FUCKING HAD SEX WITH A HORSE, AND THEN CALLED HIMSELF PERSECUTED.

NO FUCKING SHIT. THAT'S USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE A GOD DAMNED INBRED CUNT WHO THINKS AN ANIMAL YOU FUCK LOVES YOU BACK.

>>6576069

No, it's nothing like that. Just that stuff like this:

"Furries need to imprint themselves on animals and seek acceptance in animal form because animals in general are very easy to gain acceptance from."

is just plain retarded.

Can you show me an example of subjective bias in my post? I think I'm being pretty objective.

>>6575938

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>>6576093

Well, technically, furry is neither. It's a 'hobby' in the same way that being a "trekkie" is. I remember hearing several of the nerds in high school talk about wanting to fuck this alien girl Seven of Nine (was that the name?), but you wouldn't say that "trekkie" is inherently a fetish just because lots of Star Trek fans lust over the alien girls, would you?

Just a little nitpick.

>>6576069

You're using "fail" as a noun. Still. You've got nothing on me.

>>6576223
Transexuals still believe they are human, though. I think it's a big leap from "My brain is wired to be a different variation of human (male/female/whatever)" to "My brain is wired to be that of a completely separate species, possibly one that exists only in my imagination" (see, e.g. Rainbow Wolf)

>>6576286

1. You forgot the part where over half of the furries who commented on that submission gave that guy shit for the same thing. How easily one can forget inconvenient truths. Sure, animals can love, but that guy was talking about some kind of 'relationship', and that's just goofy. Hell, humans aren't really monogamous by nature, much less other animals.

2. Incest has nothing to do with zoosexuality. I think you just ran out of adjectives when you wanted to curse this person out (not where they can see, of course), lol.

>>6576383
>the part where over half of the furries who commented on that submission gave that guy shit for the same thing
>Half

>THERE IS STILL THE OTHER 50% WHO SUPPORTED HIM AND THINK AND ACT JUST LIKE HIM

You know, minority or not, there's enough of them to give the whole shitty fandom a bad name. And they do plenty of that.

>>6576383
>Lives on a farm
>Has sex with animals
>Generally fits the redneck stereotype
>That stereotype involves being inbred
>He was clearly retarded
>Inbred hicks are retarded
>If the shoe fits..

>>6576308

I've wondered about the transsexual/furry issue myself. Transsexuals believe they are the wrong gender, some furries believe they are animals inside.

It does seem like a HUGE leap to assume that there is an actual genetic basis for the feeling in the furry case. Unless you assume that transexuality is being caused by a genetic mutation that makes you think you are "other" in a general sense (and not acutally being genetically inbetween) and that this same mutation or defect has an animal manifestation sometimes.

>>6576223

There are 'subgroups' of furries who believe the whole "I'm an animal in a human's body" stuff. I forgot what they call themselves; I just call them "delusional".

But that is a pretty small minority of the collective that would self-identify as "furry".

I guess that answers your other question with a "N/A", too, since believing that you're 'really' an animal is not even close to inherent to being a furry. Just another subset.

>>6576305

>I don't think you know what greentext is supposed to be used for.
>Protip: Not this.

>>6576459

Out of curiosity, what is your fursona?

>>6576425

I said "more than half" because I don't know the exact percentage. I should have just said "most". The overall average response was "shit like this is what makes the rest of us look bad".

But now I'm curious: what percentage of a minority would it take for you to think it was fair to paint them all with that brush? Your post implied that if 'nearly half' (since I said "more than half") of a demographic has trait X, that's enough.

Do you really think it is?

>>6576535
Ok, let me put it to you this way:

I know a guy at my LGS who walks around in cat ears and a clip-on tail. Every day, every week, every year. Everyone there hates him, because he brings his retarded furry fetish into EVERYTHING, from his online game characters to his tabletop games, to his shirts that say "I'm a furry and proud!". I wish I was making this shit up.

Now, he's not the overly sexually retarded kind (the kind that draw Gay Furry Diaper Scat comics and stuff), but still, I abhor him because of what he does. And I don't fucking CARE if you don't take your shit to the level he does. The fact that you would hang out with this guy because you share similar interest in wishing you were an animal so you could fuck other animals makes you horrible people, and I want to skullfuck you with a penis made of fire.

>>6576509

It's unique enough that I'd be easily 'Googleable' if I shared it. Don't want to be, so I won't. Sorry.

Don't feel like dealing with more amateur pyschoanalysis based on my character choice, either, especially since I chose it for very simple, almost silly reasons, not some deep manifestation of something-or-other.

P.S. By the way, I eschew furries' propensity making up words by replacing syllables that end in the "er" sound with "fur". I think it's retarded. In case you're curious what I say instead, I just call it my "character".

>>6576643
>Actually has a fursona

Hold on, I'm going to spend the rest of my live singling you out and laughing at every post you make, and then dumping my furry-hate folder to spite you.

You deserve to be sterilized.

I view furries the way I view other "lifestyle" fetishes, like BDSM, for example. Sure, there are probably fairly normal people in each group that only get off on the thought of playing master/servant or animal/animal. I don't really have a problem with them.

But then there are the people who honestly believe they are a Master or a slave or a three-tailed fox or a rainbow wolf, and seek to be acknowledged as such in public. I honestly don't give a shit what consenting adults do with each other (be it BDSM, furry, whatever), as long as they remember the social norms that keep society semi-functional. Don't bring your slave in a cage into your office to be your pet during the day, don't wear your fur suit when you go run around the park, etc. Do whatever the hell you want within your subculture, but don't get pissed when people ask you to leave the nipple clamps and fox ears at home.

>>6576602
I think the point is that a lot of furries wouldn't hang out with that guy, because he sounds like a tool.

Sharing an interest with someone doesn't mean you'll like them. Anyone who's played online video-games can attest to that. But it would seem foolish to assume that all gamers would hang out with each other when the evidence for dislike amongst them is visible and everywhere.

Now, it might be the case that all furries are shallow people who are solely defined by this one interest, and that they have no further criteria in judging other people, but I doubt that's the case.

(Also, I'm pretty sure "flaming skullfuck" is a popular fetish among furries.)

>>6576602

This brings up an important (as important as talking about furry is in the grand scheme of things) point: unless the guy was getting turned on just by wearing that stuff, he was not expressing any "fetish". It's important to not think of someone doing something like that as someone who's trying to put their sex life in your face, because they are not doing anything sexual at all! You wouldn't think a Star Trek fan who went around wearing Spock ears all the time was putting his sex life on display, would you?

Just something to think about: the sexual part of furry, however important it is to furries, is not INHERENT to being a furry, and therefore should not be inferred from every single outward display of anything relating to furry.

Now for a parallel:

The sexual part of humanity, however important it is to humans, is not INHERENT to being a human, and therefore should not be inferred from every single outward display of anything relating to humanity.

I have a feeling the above is a little incoherent, but you get my drift, right?

P.S. For the record, I think being "proud" of being furry is stupid. You should take pride in accomplishments, not states of being. For the same reason, ethnic/racial/orientation "pride" is equally stupid in my eyes.

MOTHERFUCKERS
when will you learn that physical attractiveness is one of the lowest ranked factors for a girl

If you are funny
BONUS POINTS
creative?
POINTS
wealthy? ambitious? smart?
MOTHERFUCKING POINTS
socially apt?
SUPER BONUS POINTS
disregard bitches? Friends with cool dudes?
YET MORE POINTS

Even the fattest dudes can get laid. It's about attitude. Be good at something, love it, love yourself. Women will come.

I know, I heard it all the time. But it's absolutely true.

No excuses.

People believing they have an animal as inner-self are as old as the world.
Furries are just socially awkwards on the top of that.

>>6575938
>>6575975

>I just said exactly what you said, but you can't say it ABOUT ME because I'm a furry!

>>6576020

>You don't understand our depth!

>>6576383

>Humans and animals are very similar!

>>6576535

>don't stereotype me~~!

>>6576643

>I'm unique!


Wow, you really are a furry. Incidentally, you've taught us more about being a furry in your few short posts than the rest of the thread put together! Good job!

>>6576744

I know I wouldn't. I know furries like that, and being around them is uncomfortable and awkward. At the 'local' furmeet in my area, there's kind of this subsection of people who show up who many of us describe as the 'creepy' crowd.

Even simply wearing a big collar in public (though that's not even specifically a furry thing) kinda puts a lot of us off.

>>6576782
I don't like you but you're absolutely right. /r9k/ is too dumb to understand though.