the only reason i wanted to go into further education was to make friends. thousands just to make friends.

i'm glad i didnt but ultimately i'm no better off.

Because it's still impossible to get a non-shit job without a degree or a trade.
And proof of a trade only comes with experience of a certificate, and you can only get that experience with a certificate.

>>648476
Yeah, fuck education. Who needs it?

It's fun though.

no op

if you want to learn about ancient norse literature or something equally fiscally unrewarding, then college is a good place to get lerninz

if it wasn't for all the folk who specialise in these fields, then the world would be all the moar, the callous husk of commercialism and soulless materialism it's striving so hard to be


tl;dr i think marine biologists is a pretty cool guy, eh chills with dolphins and doesn't afraid of anything!

Agree, College is a scam. They only reason I'm going to college right now is that the government is paying my tuition and paying me 1,500 a month to go.

>>648508

Well maybe spend a semester studying for a certificate at a community college or trade school so you don't waste years of your life on bullshit, for real.

If you want to study for a career that's one thing, if you just want to dick around and wait until the last minute to write 15 page papers on religious themes in medieval architecture, maybe you could be spending your time a little better, by pursuing something more useful and less fucking stupid.


And if you do want a career in the arts, one of our age's greatest poets, Kanye West, is a college dropout. If you want to make money, go off and be a self-starter, because college won't help you much, although you might make a few friends or helpful connections, I don't know. But it still seems like a fucking waste.

I accept that to a degree but college is god damn fun awesome time, it's like the bonus level to life. I'm probably gonna go to trade school or something after college and pretty much render this whole thing null but fuck,
damn i am wasting a lot of money.

>>648554

>our age's greatest poet
>Kanye West

lol wat?

>>648554

College is not fun.

Term papers are not fun.

Struggling to keep a passing GPA because professors make easy subjects into a clusterfuck is not fun.

You don't go to college for information, you go to college to show employers that you can get fucked in the ass for 4 years and still keep it together. Not to mention access to people who have intimate access to some high end employers.

Also, real wages have been declining since the 70s, and the gini coefficient shows growing inequality, if there is any social mobility it is downwards. American dream is gone bro.

Law School, it has to be done.

You need a college degree to get an edge over other applicants. It doesn't have to be for the job you applying for, you just need to have one period.

Unless you have connections that can secure a job for you, which the average 4chaner doesn't, then you will not get a job that you can live independently off of.

>>648536
fuck I remember you christfag........

Not OP but I agree with him, basically if you're going to college for an arts degree you might as well just drop out, you're not going to find a job. College is only worth it for business, engineering, medicine

I'm an accounting major but if I could start over I'd be in trade school

Years back you might have been able to get a average job with just a highschool diploma.

Today though? Not so much.

Posting this again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE&feature=player_embedded

>going to Uni for Computer Animation Arts and UOTC
>Then either career in industry, Geo Tech or Tank Troop Officer
>and not one fuck was given

The important thing:
It's what you get out of University/college, not just what it provides.

Yeah kids, drop out of college. Join the military. We need every able bodied soldier for our upcoming war with Iran.

It's been said before, but you don't go to college you learn. You learn the things you want to learn on your own time and dime. You go to college to get a degree, so you can make more money and get a better job easier.

If money is an issue, spend your first two years at community college. You will save an incredible amount of money and won't feel stupid not knowing what you want to study for the first few semesters.

what's up with all this anti-collage shit these days?

>>648639
>You go to college to get a degree, so you can make more money and get a better job easier.

That's like saying you go to K-12 school to take tests.

You go to college to get an education. Nothing more, nothing less.

Son, you need a degree to get a job in McDonald's these days.

>If you just want to have a steady job, you do NOT need college
>need
Yes

>you will just be drowning in debt and regretful that you wasted so much time on a pointless "education."
Maybe

>Basically, for most people, college is useless.
Not for most, but for a significant some.

Friendships. Romances. Networking. Formative experiences, first times. Inspiration for your future. Leads and life tips. Getting away from your childhood, making a break with the past. Etc etc.

College has it's place. It is often a gamble. Your choice, I guess.

>>648671

College does not get you "away" from your childhood, it extends it by basically putting you in high school for an extra two to six years.

>>648651
Dropouts/graduates with a ton of debt and a degree, regretting have gone to college because they got a pretty piece of paper and still can't get a job that can support them.

free ride to top university got you 'mirin, OP?

>>648689
Wow, this is the stupidest thing I've read all day.

>>648597
> fuck I remember you christfag........

...and you were never far from my thoughts anon

as to your main point though, i understand that the pressure to get money and success is immense in our culture, but look at what it leads to - there's a pandemic of depression and hopelessness throughout the west, and no amount of money can fix it

lemme ask you something, the businesspeople*, the engineers, the doctors - once the acquire currency, what do they spend it on?

beautiful things like art and gardens and swimming pools and movies like the lord of the rings - all things which it took academics to study and develop in an atmosphere of lerninz

we need the arts and history and humanities and poetry and stuff - because we need beauty and truth just as much, if not MOAR than, the SCIENCES at times

tl;dr
f*** money
get a life


~


*look at mai pc-ness

look!!

>>648661
>You go to college to get an education. Nothing more, nothing less.

There are alot of older people going back to CC's who already know their shit, but need the degree to get a job.

>>648554

>likes kanye west

Wait, this isn't a Renaissance poor man railing against the injustice of the educational system... He's one of those guys who works in a gas station until he dies.

Seriously, not having a bachelors at least is fucking suicide. Most people throw out resumes with no higher education listed. Yes, even bars and body shops and wherever else you think you're going to work for the rest of your life because you "learned a skill".

I'm cynical as fuck about college.

I don't give a shit about "finding myself", or rather, I don't see how college is supposed to help me do that. I think I have a pretty good grasp of who I am.

I don't need a pre-made social environment to meet people. I meet enough people just being my usual extroverted self.

I'm literally only going to get my engineering degree. Nothing more. And the cost, holy shit. I got into my state's public flagship straight out of high school but even that was just too fucking expensive. Went to community college the first two years, now commuting to said 4-year uni.

I don't necessarily look down on people who see college the way >>648671 does, but I definitely don't understand why they see it that way. Maybe it's because I'm in a sink-or-swim situation financially (hence my major).

>>648689
As in, from hometown, from same old acquaintances / crowd, from dependency on parental figures / childhood household.

But yes, extension of adolescence / prolonging entry to adulthood.

For a fair few, college is the best chance they have of getting away from their past for good. Either that or move to some random place, and hope it works out eventually - working a shitty job (if any) for years merely to subsist.

>>648597

He's such a loser he uses the exact same trip on chon. How fucking needy can you get........

Try to ignore him and he might fuck off.

>>648571
The only relevant poets in this day and age are rappers

I'm going to college to major in Graphic Design. It's essentially a cheaper way to live not with my mom, get a change of scenery and still be able to focus on improving my artistic skill. I am willing to put up with the extra work in college because it's less stressful for me, and regardless of what I'm learning, I just like learning.

>>648508
>nope.avi
even with a degree the only thing you're going to get is a shit job, you still have to work your way to a better job. and trades in murika at least the trades all have unions, and those unions offer apprenticeship programs where they will educate you and help you get employed

>>648830

Unless you live in the south.
Then unions are BIG BAD EVIL ANTI-CAPITALISM, SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST things that destroy small business.

>>648597

First anon I've seen in accounting besides me, brofist.

>>648607
experience, stable work history, and good references from former employers(acquired by having a work ethic and not being a douche at work) these things tend to trump a degree unless it's a field specific degree. the problem isn't a lack of upward mobility, it's that so many have been led to believe it's not possible, without a degree, so they don't try to move up, without one.

>>648725
nah man, that's just what you and the other douchebags who think they're too good for menial jobs tell themselves to justify the fact that you've spent massive amounts of money you don't have when you don't even have any direction or clue what you want to do.

also just for the fuck you anon record
>implying there's anything wrong with working in a gas station
>implying you wouldn't make enough money to live a modest yet comfortable life

OP, because that JUST happened. What you're saying wasn't true 10 years ago, and people are still just starting to understand the repercussions of all this economy bullshit. When I was growing up going to college for a liberal arts degree was totally worth it, it used to GREATLY increase your chances of getting a good paying job. Thats what everyone's parents taught them.

it's not easy for people to realize their economic and educational systems are crumbling so badly. It's like a college bubble. a lot ofpeople have to be hurting pretty bad.

>>649014

>Implying you can make enough off working in a gas station to live comfortably.

>>648927
>experience, stable work history, and good references from former employers

You would have to have had a job at some point to have any of this. Especially with experience, most part time jobs you might be able to get today are all retail, not something that'll be useful in any other field.

And even then, I can guarantee you most serious employers don't care how well you delievered pizzas during highschool, if you don't have a degree, they're going to pick the guy who does.

I wouldn't hire anyone without a college degree in business. You've clearly never learned anything in college.

>>648890
nah man, most trade unions are rather discrete and most people don't even realize they exist. plumbers, electricians, masons, they all have unions, they just don't advertise their existence

>>648927
but, really, what kind of jobs are people supposed to get without a degree? my fast food job isn't going to lead into a stable career in my chosen major...

>>649058
>implying you can't live off of 11 bucks an hour starting pay

I realized this prior to graduating high school op. I was smart and did the right choice and got a average
Joe job in a factory contributing to my nations GDP.

All while I have 10k saved up In the bank. Btw I'm 19.

You mad enraged debtfags?

>>649094
>but, really, what kind of jobs are people supposed to get without a degree?

Retail jobs might be enough to let you live with your parents and help pay part of the bills, but I agree, part of the problem today is you simply cannot live independently on a job that doesn't require a college degree.

PROPTIP: I want to become a quantum physicist.

Because the modern media is so bent on forcing the though that we MUST go to college if we EVER want to be something other than a homeless loser.
Relevant:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-question-youre-not-asking-should-you-go-to-college/

>>649119
>implying 11/hr is the average starting wage for a job like that
Try $7.75, if you're lucky.

>>649077
it's about going to work straight out of high school and never looking back. this idea that you can't get hired without a degree, where did it come from? oh yeah, it came from the colleges didn't it. it simply isn't true anymore, not only does it not guarantee you a job, it no longer even improves your chances

>>649119
Not even trolling, what gas station pays this much?

>not getting scholarships
>not having parents pay for your college shit
>2011

>>649142

Oh Cracked, you've gone so goddam far down hill. Let's hope this is one of your increasingly rare good articles.

>>649176
>oh yeah, it came from the colleges didn't it

It actually came from unemployment rates and people who couldn't afford college complaining.

>>649144
so after taxes, roughly 7-8 hundred a month, if you're only working 40 hour weeks, you can easily live on your own with that amount, and if instead of being a little bitch about things you work hard and are competent, you'll quickly move up the payscale, and gain more responsibility and trust as well

>>649183
it's the base pay for seven eleven, in my area anyways

>>649176
No, it came from the idea that there used to be a lot more decent blue collar jobs that would give you benefits like health care and paid time off, and pay you enough to support a family that were easy to get if you had a degree.

those jobs are gone now. you can work at wal-mart or something and get gouged for shitty health insurance and have to work on thanksgiving and make half as much.

people with degrees nowadays end up actually having to do that shit.

>Two years of electrical school at a community college.
>Friend who's day is an Electrician says that you work three days, off two, three days, off two
>Atleast 30 dollars an hour
>8AM-5PM is the typical working hours
>Dad works at a power company and can get me hired for a desk that'll open by the time I finish school.

Should I?

college makes you socially retarded.

>>649271
>day = dad
I don't even know how I did that.

>>649271
If you have a job secured for when you graduate, then absolutely.

>>649236
You can live on $800 dollars a month if you live with your fucking parents, or in some shitty ass nowhere town like barstow where you can get rent for $200 a month. Where I live you MIGHT be able to rent a room for $400 a month, then you have car payment, insurance, electricity, phone service, you have to feed yourself, plus a good 20 buck a month at the laundrymat.

Do you even live on your own? do you know what you're talking about? God forbid someone pops out a kid with a job like that.

You see, employers are noticing the dumbdown next generation workforce and not going to take degrees
Seriously anymore. Co - ops or apprenticeships are the next Best way of showing your skill in a field you want to be in. And when you"re at these apprenticeships you can adapt to the workplaces style of doing the desired job. When you have enough experience and the boss likes your skill. You are pretty much Garunteed the job over the asshat with the paper saying you supposibly know shot about the job

>>649236
>so after taxes, roughly 7-8 hundred a month, if you're only working 40 hour weeks, you can easily live on your own with that amount

Maybe if you live in some nigger ghetto.
At best you could afford groceries and rent in a very cheap apartment, I doubt you would be able to pay utility bills with that salary.

You'd be better off living with your parents.

>>648554
>one of our age's greatest poets, Kanye West

You just invalidated your opinion re: anything artistic you 16 year old hipster.

God humans have horrible taste.

>>649279
>college makes you socially retarded.

Really? I thought that was what /r9k/ was for..

Unless you want a career in the fields of science, math or technology.

>>649326
I was with you until you said
>hipster
In reference to Kanye West? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

just a quick question by a eurofag: does 'college' = 'university' or is there a difference over there in america?

>>648476
>pointless education
stopped reading there

>>649400
Kind of. Colleges are usually smaller and offer less degrees, while Universities have a large variety of departments and degrees offered.

They're both prett much used to refer to the same thing though.

College tuition has risen to the point where college is only worth it for a few majors. If you pay 50-100K to get a liberal arts degree, you're an idiot.

That being said, colleges continue to raise tuition because students can pay it by borrowing money. If student loans weren't available, tuition prices would drop dramatically.

>>649400
I am not sure myself but I think college is somewhat between Gymnasium and university. University ~ post-graduate degree.

>Move to New Zealand
>Get a few degrees, doesn't really matter a whole lot what in
>Some Bachelors, some masters
>Ministry of education recognizes these degrees
>Become a teacher
>Because of your degrees, the entry salary is increased
>Make 70K a year base salary as a High School teacher
>Top Engineer in Auckland making 52k annually on some major Gov'ment project

>Live thrifty four a few years
>Retire a rich man

you can always get a job, work your way up, and educate yourself for a promotion later.

>>649957
>you can always get a job,
>read thread
>mfw

I love all these people that think going to an expensive as fuck four year is the only way to get a regionally accredited degree. Most people on r9k cry about how smart they are and how bad the education system is: look at testing for credit, you retards.

College debt sucks, but at least it'll help you avoid working some shitty blue-collar minimum wage job.

>>649947
NZD isn't real money.
FUCK JOHN KEY HE AIN'T GOT NOTHIN ON ME.

>Also divulge secret govt project plzkthx

>>650236
Going to University
Professor for my research hooked me up with 15k Summer Job

HERP DERP

>implying MBDTF isn't patriciancore

>>650344
It's a bridge in Auckland

But get paid to go to college and it's entirely tuition-free all the way up to a bachelors.

Are these threads only dedicated to the people who pay with their own money for everything?

If so, I'd have to agree it is a huge scam unless you have something in mind already.

>>648476

>college is useless for most people

Time to post actual statistics again I see.

http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

Protip: education is a good thing

>>650461

>implying Faust isn't the only patriciancore

>tfw I want to write stories but am aware that isn't a good avenue.
I don't care what medium. Television, vidya, comics, whatever.

>>650997
truth, only problem is that it does not take into account the throughput of said jobs. just because lots of educated people have good jobs, doesnt mean that freshly educated people get good jobs.

>>651128

true, but it does deal with lifetime populations which are more important.

Yes, newly educated people may struggle for a few years - but so will uneducated people, small business owners etc (many of whom also fail). Over a lifetime, more education does you better, and the numbers bear that out.

Long term planning anon, long term. it's good to appreciate that so that you don't get discouraged just because your first few jobs (or lack of) suck.

>>651080

Way I see it, anon, I have a lot of odd talents that I've developed over the years, and maybe if I'm lucky, I can make enough money of all of them combined to make a comfortable living. Probably not, but it's a dream, you know?