>pearl harbor was japan
oh sorry
ARR ROOK SAME

>China
>Pearl Harbor

Oh you stupid fucking cunt. Go stuff your face with a burger.

Doesn't matter.

America has the most effective air force on the planet, and if the 20th century taught us anything, its that ships are no match for good planes. China's navy would be at the bottom before they knew what hit them.

So are they declaring war or not? I really don't care about politics until shit starts blowing up or people start getting hurt.

8/10
everyone will fall for this

Nobody gives a shit, China couldn't fuck the U.S. even if they tried - and they know it - and they know it is a waste of time.

Also
>China
>Pearl Harbor

It's complete coincidence you faggot. How much do you think the average Chinese military officer knows about the dates of attacks on America? None.

Not OP here, but I think he was making the China-Pearl Harbor connection as in
>US gets attacked at Pear Harbor around this time of year
>China is building up navy in the pacific
>looks threatening
Wouldn't it be funny if we got caught off guard on the same day we did 70 years ago?

>China preparing for war
>Russia preparing for war
>Iran reaching nuclear proficiency

Hold onto your butts. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

>mfw I realised 90% of /r9k/ would love to see world war three and an end to the world as we know it
>mfw I don't have an original reaction image

I hope society collapses. I'm bored of this world, somebody hit the reset button.

>China starting a war on America, the number one consumer of Chinese goods

Don't be fucking stupid. Money makes the world go round, and right now, it's not in anyone's benefit to go attacking. Iran is developing nuke technology illegally, just like Israel did forty years ago.

The only reason that people are flipping out is because Israel has been doing everything they can to get Americans whipped up to go to war on their behalf.

Israel has nukes. Iran knows it. Ahmedinajad is a figurehead leader with no real power, inside or outside Iran.

tl;dr- Europe falling apart economically is a much bigger problem right now.

>>638879
Dream on. Society won't reset.

It won't be like, whole bunch on people die, then everything slowly changes (improves) for the rest.

It'll be perpetual, third-world country stuff. Strife for many, with no way out.

NO WE MUST SPEND OUR MONEY ON GETTING FATTER

>>638892
This. Europe is about to double dip recession no? And the US with it right?

Motherfuckin' banks, motherfuckin' Treasury, and motherfuckin' Greece is what's a real problem.

>>638909

Yeah but trying to survive would be fun.

>mfw running for miles and miles cross country to escape from the invading Chinese

Glorious.

Bu-bu-but I didn't do anything to China..

>>638776
China itself is nigh impregnable. Their ship killing missiles would sink the bulk of the pacific fleet before it was close enough to launch aircraft. Their air defense is equally impressive. I wish I could find the video on youtube of an air force briefing about how fucked our air force would be in an assault on China because of how advanced their defense is.

It's easy to upgrade defense to counter an attacker, it's much harder and more expensive to keep your offensive capabilities ahead of an enemies defense.

Also the F22 and F35 and shitty planes.

And Australia is all like "WTF, mate?"

No doubt our pussy government will be dragged into any new conflict/war by the US.

The US Military has been allowed to have 2500 personnel stationed in the top end (Darwin) of Australia. This will probably expand until its a full sized Military base.

A war between China and the US depends on a couple of things.

What will Russian do ?
What will North Korea do ?

>>638719
Nice pic faggot. China only has one fucking carrier and it's an only Russian POS that barely runs.

>a US campaign to assert itself as a Pacific power

Didn't we get that status pretty solid like 70 years ago? What the hell is this campaigning about?

>>639898
With hope Britain wont get dragged into it
and will tell both sides to leave Oz alone.
I doubt it because Britain is Americas bitch.

>>638776
>China's navy would be at the bottom before they knew what hit them.
Where are you gonna launch them from when they sink your carriers? To bad you faggots are too stupid and pour your money into the Middle East bullshit instead of making an orbital laser system.

>Asian countries dick waving at other Asian countries

China's getting ready to take back Taiwan, that's it. This isn't world war 3.

>>639066

US has much better submarines. Would turn into a stalemate pretty fast. Also we have 2-4 times as many planes as them regardless.

Their best bet is to just nuke everyone and make use of their numerous coal mines.

inb4 WWIII FUCK YEAH
I hope I get drafted before my finals start!!

Good, I'm hoping for a straight-up conventional war. After the Middle East quagmires Amurricans need something to boost their faith in their country again. Or maybe something to protest besides not getting government money for getting a useless degree.

>>639974
its the US' whole "With us or against us" mentality that is fucked up.

I'm sorry we don't want to fight your fucking fights for you.
We don't like sending out troops into YOUR fucking wars.
We don't want that fun wacky friendly fire. The UK knows all too well about that. "We thought it was an enemy helicopter full of British commandos".
Don't like the "cowboy" attitude of their military. Its fine for movies, but it shouldn't exist in the real world.
The US doesn't NEED another war right now, it has Iraq and Afghanistan to deal with. Sort those two out before starting a another conflict in the goddamn world. I'm sure, Colt, Barrett, Remington etc can manage without having to build a bajillion more guns for a couple of years.

>>639981
>Where are you gonna launch them from when they sink your carriers?
Japan, South Korea, Philippines, etc.

>Implying that it is easy to sink a carrier
>HURDUR CHINESE HAVE MISSILE THAT KILL CARRIER! NO WAY TO COUNTER IT!

>sudden spike in WWIII threads
>suddenly, South Korea lunches a completely unmanned mass army
I'm telling you fags, they're training their future commanders with Starcraft.

>>640037
plenty of people dont know about Phalanx systems and their derivatives.

Calm down, there's not going to be a fucking war.

>>640037
For those not understanding the reference here, China developed a ballistic missile that can supposedly sink a large ship, with the idea being that a ballistic missile comes down very fast, so it would be difficult to intercept in the terminal phase. The only problem with that is that the latest versions of AEGIS and the Standard Missile (which are what protect a carrier battle group from air attack) were specifically designed to intercept ballistic missiles.

>>640063
its too bad that sc2 is reducing the quality of their next gen commanders.

it would suck for them if jaedong is too old by the time they need him.

>>639981
>When they sink your carriers

How would they sink U.S.'s carriers again? With their inferior numbers or their inferior tech? If you're going to insult the Amerilards at least make it sensible.

Read the article. It looks like China is gearing up to bully out Vietnam and the Phillipines out of the territory so they can set up deep sea oil drilling and claim the resources there.

how will this affect America, we don't care about Vietnam or the Philipines.

>>640131
>people still implying China has inferior tech
It's like people ITT are fucking 50 years old or something. Or are just American being spoon fed how "inferior" the rest of the world is.

>>640149
America does care about the competition. Oil competition in this case.

>>640103
They don't need them anymore. They got the best and cloned them.

It is not a war with the United States that China is considering. A war with the United States fought via conventional is currently not possible.

This is because we have both first strike and second strike capabilities. I.E. Not only can we launch nuclear ballistic missiles at a nation and level all of its nuclear capabilities, but we also have the ability to retaliate at an opponent that attempted to do this to us (by means of nuclear submarines).

China's navy does not have this feature. They have about 56 submarines. 6 are Nuclear. The rest are diesel and have to resurface every few days or they will run out of oxygen. Because of this, they cannot get in range to launch nuclear weapons at the United States without being detected.

China also only has about 13 nuclear missile silos. We could very easily obliterate them if war arose as an option.

Both China and Russia are more concerned about an American first strike. Leaders with a lot of money, power, and very good lives will die if they decide to attack us. They do not want to forfeit what is a sweet deal.

So China's navy modernization is not a threat to the United States.

Rather, this is more about an attempt to obtain resources in the South China Sea and to resolve disputes with neighboring countries. They just built their first Aircraft Carrier. The plan for that is for force projection over that region.

Their other concern is Taiwan. Taiwan cannot be touched by China at present because Taiwan's airforce is infinitely better than China's. Most of China's aircraft are 1970s era and prior. Taiwan contracts with the US and has an extremely modern Airforce.

Currently the US is winning a containment game on China. We do so with our partnerships (South Korea, Japan, Taiwan). China is trying to press us on Taiwan and South Korea so that they can escape some of their containment issues.

Saber rattling

The Chinese have been doing it the entire year, they're doing it so they can distract the Chinese people from the failing economy.

Oh boy, they plan to attack Vietnam. Like they've been doing for a couple thousand years. Good luck with that China.

>>640157
>Implying that the latest in Chinese tech isn't still at least 10-15 years behind the US
>Implying that this latest Chinese tech is deployed in anything more than negligible numbers (eg. 300 modern fighters)

Americans are spoon fed how "inferior" the rest of the world is because the rest of the world IS vastly inferior to the US.

I'll worry about China when they learn to build their condos and towers with foundations and the buildings don't lean over or collapse.

Sailorfag here, US type.

Thing is, China simply isn't as advanced as people like to think they are. Their diesel subs are pretty neat and quite, they got that.

But we can still hear them.

Their fighters are so pisspoor that they took (if I'm not mistaking the reference) footage from *Top Gun* altered it and claimed it to be theirs.

Their missiles? Not really a big threat. Chinese ship busters are generally vulnerable to AEGIS defense systems, and simply put, the Chinese do not have the experience with missiles that America has to get through the defense systems. (And I seriously doubt any form of ICBM from China will fail *miserably* the big thing with those is quantity, because X-many will fail and get shot down because of the inherent vulnerability of the bus-stage of warhead transit.)

Thing is, China's stick just isn't as shiny as America's is, no matter what the public gets all hyped up over. America actually has some scary good stuff, even with all the BS I see aboard my ship everyday. CWIZ is like a AK-47 Chainsaw Minigun from hell. You hear it run off for a second and more then 200 rounds have been placed in a specific spread.

On top of that, American ships are notoriously difficult to sink as of late. We're pretty goddamn anal about Damage Control, and we have way more experience with it then the Chinese.

So yeah, Army's spread thin, Marines are worn, Air Force is busy.

But the Navy has fucking been waiting for a fight. Give us the excuse, beetches.

>mfw American F-22's get shot out the sky by Chinese next-gen fighters.
>mfw no original image

What was that about the F-22 being un-beatable?

>implying navies have been an important facet of modern warfare at any point in the past 120 years

lrn2militaryhistory

>>640349
I'm sorry what? Did you even WWI or II? The sheer stupidity coming from your keyboard, I swear. Fucking kill yourself.

>>640323
The J-10 is a piece of rusty shit and the F-22 would massacre it. Hell even the F-35 can make it and it's a tub of lard.

>>640349
>implying that navies haven't been an important facet of modern warfare at any point in the past 120 years
>Except for WWI, where they blockaded and starved Germany
>Except for WWII, where they were instrumental in keeping Atlantic and Mediterranean supply lines open
>Except for WWII, where they were the centerpiece of the Pacific campaign
>Except for every little war America has been involved in, where the navy provided fire support, strategic bombing, and the option to land a fucking division anywhere there's a coastline.

Where the fuck have you been?

>>640349
>last 120 years

Oh wow it's like Imperial Japan didn't exist.

>>640292
>Air force is busy
I don't think sitting in a chair all day counts as being busy.

>>640349

Mr. Madison,

I think we are all stupider for having heard that. You are awarded no points. May God have mercy on your soul.

ITT: murrifags think they're important

...yeah, I couldn't really come up for an excuse for the Chair Force. I just didn't want to get them involved.

>>640394
air power won the pacific operation. Navy was critical at first, but evolved into a platform for projecting air power.

those battleships never got to broadside anything.

>>640481
who the fuck are you? huh?
no one
we could crush you

>Live in Florida

Oh I'm so scared!

>>640489
>air power won the pacific operation.
And where the fuck did that airpower come from? And where was it directed? Did it magically sprout out of the sea, and attack magical underwater palaces?

See all these carriers the US has?
China does not have a single one. In a posturing move they commissioned one of their own years ago that officially went into active service. It was built from scrap metal and operates only as a training vessels as its sill inoperable in any meaningful wartime capacity.

Each carrier in the US Naval fleet is accompanied by a fully outfitted battle group including destroyers, nuclear capable subs, and numerous aircraft.

>>640292
>Sailorfag here, US type.

Dude, shut the fuck up. Are you a high ranking officer? Are you in the know on all operational detail regarding an engagement with China? It's like a mailman giving me a lecture on the inner workings of the government.

I used to be in the Marines. Ask me anything about current operations in Afghanistan! I have no clue what's going on but I sure can make shit up based around what I've heard.

>>640518
Speaking of Aircraft
Just how big is the US Air Force?

Well lets have a look here

>>640530
I like this jarhead fag. Not the guy you're replying to buuuut, we squids get lectured on our fleets during basic and our schooling. We know the workings of our branch and the chain of command unlike you sorry sacks of shit that don't give a fuck. Now, if you'll excuse me I'm going to fuck your wife while I'm in port.

>>640518
i really wish we werent paying for all of those to remain operational every year.

the job could be done with half, surely.

Oh boy, it is almost time. Our generation gets to RIDE IN THE APOCALYPSE BABY

>>640554
why don't you say that to my face fucker and not online and see what happens

>>640573
Gladly, fuckstick.

China's Got one Carrier, actually, ex-Ruskie Nuclear.

Not really high-ranking or anything, but I spend a *shit* ton of time researching stuff about naval capabilities. Deployments been long and boring, bro. Just as good as anyone else on this board for talking about this.

Didn't really mean to imply I was descending from heaven with facts and strategic knowledge, and even if I did have that, I wouldn't post it. OPSEC. Can only post common knowledge legally anyway. esp. since I'm on a computer running through satellite to Norfolk right now.

>>640530
>Tripfag

I thought they had a "Don't ask don't tell" policy in the military?

How'd they let you in? You're clearly a faggot.

Morons
Always
Riding
In
Navy
Equipment

vs

The Marines is a branch of the Navy, the Mens branch.

>>640372
>next-gen Chinese fighters
>J-10
Do you understand the concept of next-gen?

>>640586
>Do you understand the concept of next-gen?
Do you?
Its 90% meaningless posturing with features on paper and only 10% useful innovation. Your next gen fighter isn't very combat effective when it needs 7 hours of maintenance for every single hour it spends in the air, and needs to be repainted every single time it flies through rain.

>>640540
I have to call bullshit on that one. The US Air force and Navy combined have less than 10,000 aircraft total. The number of combat aircraft would be closer to 4,000. 18,000 must have been a typo.

>>640586
>Implying that the J-10 isn't next-gen for China.

>>640565

I fucking hate nigger arguments like this one. "bawww if they did this then the gubbermint could spend less on that".

Do you actually think the US GovCo with their WATERFALLS of cash flow (both secret and above board) would take any savings from anywhere and put it back into YOUR pocket?

Fuck me.

>>640616
Negative, ghost rider. You think of combat air craft as just being bombers and fighters right? You forget gunships, UAVs etc. Not to mention every branch has 2000+ combat aircraft, not just the Chair Force and the Navy.

Drones, robots, the digital battlefield, PMCs. You people live in the last millenium or something? Armies all across the world have the most bleeding edge tech and you people are talking like WW3 would be an exact copy of WW2. What the fuck?

>>640518
China is playing a defensive game. IE using their fucking heads. Force projection is a massive resource drain.

Carriers are sitting ducks. As Americans we love to flex nuts about our air and sea power (used against soviet-era/armed armies and nations) but attacking is always a risky game, and the Chinese have the capability to render the Pacific Fleet obsolete. Their subs can penetrate carrier groups and their missiles can strike a carrier before AEGIS can do shit.

>>640554
Hahaha oh wow.

You're duller than a church picnic if you think they'll tell a bunch of dipshit enlisted men anything important. And do you really believe they were being honest with you? They're not going to tell you that the Pacific Fleet is a massive, floating, money sink.

Stop being such a motarded POG faggot and realize the military is full of shit.

>>640518
For a backwash third world shithole, India sure has a lot of carriers.

Anyway, pretty sure they're acquiring a few more Russian ones but still, I agree that the current state of China's military is laughable.

>>640659
> Their subs can penetrate carrier groups
This is unsubstantiated bullshit propaganda that came directly from the Chinese PR machine. Its no different from North Korea claiming to have the worlds strongest soldiers.
Its just bullshit.

>>640616
Now that I look at it, a lot of those numbers are wrong.

>>640642
obviously not.
im just mentioning that we would probably be better off as a nation without them.

>>640540
What? I could have sworn China had many, many more millions of personnel than that.

>>640670
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-
exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

lol

>>640654

THIS.

I don't see there being much combat at all. I reckon it'll be more a war of trying to cripple the enemy's economy.

>>640693
I'm not sure, so don't hold me to this, but I think every male citizen in China is reserve, which is how their propaganda machine makes it out like they have so many soldiers. Sure, they are technically soldiers, they lack training and China lacks the weapons and ammunition to arm all of them effectively.

Let alone do the more complex jobs above infantry.

>>640651
>Implying that we have 15000 helicopters and UAVs
To give you some perspective, the TOTAL number of American made attack helicopters has been around 3000. That's including those that were shot down, retired, and sold to other countries. There is simply no way we have 18,000 combat aircraft, no matter how loose the definition is.

Don't feel bad, though, many of those numbers are wrong.

>Americunts acting like that on retard jock in high school that acted all mighty and picked fights all the time
>not expecting that one day that one kid that's bullied by everyone will snap and just kill the entire fucking school

>>638719
Miserable insect,how fucking typical.

>>638719
So when are they going to kick some Indochinese ass?

>>640659
(Fucking reply script was working for my previous posts, gotta type it manually)
Eh, I personally do a lot of research in my free time, and know some shit that I shouldn't know. Been a long-deployment, bro. Coming home, myself though.

On second thought, China better stay the fuck away, I want some downtime on solid ground.

>>640706
Pure speculation, but with all of that Chinese artillery it looks like their foot soldiers would be... well... the Chinese Imperial Guard.

>>640712
I just meant you can't just count the bombers/fighters. There's many more combat aircraft that could go into those numbers you know? Just sayin'

Also, Helicopters are already counted in that.

so is everyone in america still asspained over pearl harbour or just the patriots?

>China and America going to war any time soon

While it's fun mental speculation it's not going to happen. Both countries are dependent on each other until the rest of the world decides to drop the US Dollar as the world reserve currency. Until then the rest of the world needs America no matter what some Swedish or German guy on 4chan says.

>>640698
>That exercise
>All sub detection equipment offline (not allowed to use it in peace time)
>Chinese sub accidentally in the way, everything turned off
>Surfaced when realizing that they were in the middle of a fucking naval exercise

>>640731
China wouldn't attack us unless provoked and we... Well I suppose we're more likely to attack them. China's defense system is impressive, but they don't have the means of prolonged force projection. Also they have nothing to gain from attacking the US. This is just them jockeying for power in the Pacific, trying to exert their dominance in the region. This wont lead to anything, it's just fun to speculate.

>>640698
>The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

>One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik"

Stay proud and retarded Americunts.

>>640659
>Carriers are sitting ducks. As Americans we love to flex nuts about our air and sea power (used against soviet-era/armed armies and nations) but attacking is always a risky game, and the Chinese have the capability to render the Pacific Fleet obsolete. Their subs can penetrate carrier groups and their missiles can strike a carrier before AEGIS can do shit.
This is pure, unadulterated bullshit. You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Just wanted to point that out.

It would be kind of neat to go to war again, if it weren't for damn nuclear weaponry.

>>640787
>dailymail
When reading military news from a tabloid, I'd take it with a pinch of salt, buddy. Lots of it.

I wish war was like this :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQGO46QGlbk
Actually, I wish I was Sam Stone

>>640833
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/nov/13/20061113-121539-3317r/?page=all

Better?

>>640838
>dem sunglasses
Feels 1999, bro.

>>640825
Why do you say that? Even now when troops are under fire in Afghanistan all they do is fucking hide and call in an air strike. There's no more assaulting positions or extended firefights when lethal, accurate, relatively safe and quick fire support is constantly available. Whether it be arty, mortars or air support. Perhaps against China it would be different, but somehow I doubt it.

>>640898
>teabagging
This does too.

It's kinda sad though, since it feels like humanity actually needs an alien invasion to get its shit together.

>>640922
Maybe it would be a bit different since Chine would have similar tech to rival them.
I have this feeling it would be like playing Defcon for them (the commanders and whatever people are at the top)
The winner is whoever manages to have the least casualties