>he treats me like a queen
sounds like a keeper, nice to know some men still know how to treat a lady

>she treats me like a king
chauvinistic oppressive male-dominance rabble rabble

The original version 1 was better. Fuck, why must you ruin shit.

whoever made this has some serious hang-ups

For a split-second there I thought this would be that chart of "escort reviews" from that thread the other night. I was disappointed.

Read the first "extra" comment and closed it. If you genuinely believe this shit, no wonder you're not with a girl.

Instead of being that creepy weird guy in the corner, why you don't you actually try being a genuinely nice guy after a shower and a shave?

>>631497
If you have never had any of those double standards happen to you, you either don't leave the house or are female.

>>631346

Typical misogynistic crybaby bias.

I'm not saying that men don't have it bad in many spheres, but if you honestly think that image is an accurate representation of gender relations in the modern world, you're delusional. Social representations of gender have pros and cons for both sides, and generally, more cons than pros for both.

But generally speaking, when it comes to getting anything done, men have it better. Take a look at those successful in any professions, or at the richest people in the world. Males dominate everything. Try cracking open a sociology, or alternatively, history textbook sometime.

And this is coming from a relatively well-adjusted, if rather introverted male. Does it suck that we are expected to be manly men, taking charge and initiative and being confident and determined and lead all the time? Fuck yeah it does. But don't be a naive little crybaby bitch and put it all on women, as if it's their fault. Try taking an objective look at the world for once.

>>631577
Males dominate everything because a woman can just get an easy job (e.g. receptionist) and marry a richer man.

This option is not open to males, so they have no choice but to be successful because no one else will do it for them.

Read Esther Vilar sometime.

be a man a deal with it, faggot bitch nigger

>>631538
I have had a few of them apply so perfectly to me, but it's few and far between. The entire list is paranoid generalisation.

Sure you'll get fucked over from time to time but when I think about it I've rejected girls for pretty trivial reasons myself.

> Be male

> Not have a MYRIAD of fashion choices and overall styles

> Expected to wear bland clothing or a suit to work

I KNOW this feel.

ITT: virgins bitching about make-believe problems

>>631577
I haven't even read OP's image or this thread, but men it's less that men have it better than that men ARE better.

>>631607
Calling "marrying a richer man" 'successful' shows you have a pretty skewed sense of priorities. And that entire phrase can be flipped around; women have no choice but to work shitty jobs and/or be housewives, since they aren't given adequate opportunity to be conventionally successful.

But all this is really irrelevant anyway, because I never contested that men didn't have it bad in today's world; I merely explained that women have it at least as bad, if not worse. And the fact of the matter is, regardless of anything else, this system wasn't created by women. It was created primarily by men. It is upheld as much by men as by women. If you want to try and change things, go right ahead, I will support you wholeheartedly. In fact, it happens to be one of my general goals as well, in my studies of social philosophy and sociology. But don't just sit around on image boards whinging for hours about how you can't be a lazy fuckoff just because women can get away with it in today's society. Fact is, neither women nor men should be able to get away with being lazy fuckoffs (unless, of course, we lived in a post-scarcity world where unlimited resources meant no one had to work, but of course this is a mere pipedream), and the fact that some subset of individuals are able to manipulate their way into a cozy life doesn't supply you with any sort of right to the same.

If you're going to whine about how [young, attractive, manipulative] women get an easy life, why not whine about any other subset of the population? Face it: desert is largely baseless; everyone is born with socially valuable and socially irrelevant traits. You're really going to choose WOMEN, the vaguest, most diverse of all social groups [short of men], to shit on for their luck?

>picrelatedlolfaggots

>>631671
The first step on the road to slavery is to believe you are not a slave at all.

>>632045
lol somebody's got some wisdom here folks

>>631784
>women have no choice but to work shitty jobs and/or be housewives, since they aren't given adequate opportunity to be conventionally successful.

Funny how US census bureau statistics show that unmarried women are paid more than unmarried men...

Not to mention that part time jobs pay women more per hour. Do you have any idea what the hourly wage is for "female only" jobs in the newspapers that are looking for corporate event models like, say, a carshow? Its way more than what even a college grad can get.

>>632090
That's what african-american slaves used to tell themselves.

"We are no slaves! We are so much better off than in Africa!".

Until people like martin luther king came along.

Men need a martin luther king for their gender to campaign for their rights.

The long this gets the worse it gets.

OP. Take the image, make it more coherent and clear and more realistic and make it worth something. Right now, you've let too much shit get in and it is sinking fast. It has become self-entitle misogyny based on Internet beliefs and angry neckbeards. The first few make sense, then it devolves into things that only -seem- to happen (Read: Happen to rejected guys, guys who were dumped, angry losers, etc get my drift?)

It should remain to be about societal/social reaction and views, not all the bullshit that has slipped in.

>>632106
Unmarried women vs. unmarried men... that's a pretty arbitrary set of parameters. Luckily, I've got the 2010 statistics of average earnings of men and women right here...

>http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0701.pdf

>>632118

"Men" have all the rights in the world.

However, the denizens of this board have no real reason to call themselves men, as you are pathetic little children who like to blame everyone and everything but yourselves for your incredible unhappiness and disappointment with life

Grow the fuck up and stop blaming all your problems on society, guys have it amazing in this life all you need to do is have a set of balls and assert yourself here and there, something you nervous little shitbags seem think of as an alien concept.

Grow up and quit your bitching, nothing is ever going to be just handed to you.

>>632382
>facekingsave
this

>>632382
>Grow up and quit your bitching, nothing is ever going to be just handed to you.
Yes but things will be handed to you darling.

>>632535

I'm a guy you fucking moron. Quit assuming everyone who doesn't agree with your moronic mindset is a woman, it's quite fascinating considering you guys are always bitching about how there's no women on the internet.

It's one or the other, moron. You can't have it both ways.

Either way, a woman is only "handed" things if she's hot, and even then her only redeeming aspect in most cases are her looks, which eventually fade. Men are respected for pretty much everything else, and looks are just a bonus. Men increase in just about every way with age, to a point, whereas women peak early and begin a slow downfall in their early twenties. As men age, their power in the dating scene increases dramatically.

And you really want to say men have it harder? Holy shit you must be retarded. Cut off your balls and hand them in at the door, you don't deserve to have them.

>>631346
>He's a man, he can take it. He probably deserved it too!

That was a good one

>>632577
>>632577
>>632577
>>632577
>
Either way, a woman is only "handed" things if she's hot, and even then her only redeeming aspect in most cases are her looks, which eventually fade. Men are respected for pretty much everything else, and looks are just a bonus. Men increase in just about every way with age, to a point, whereas women peak early and begin a slow downfall in their early twenties. As men age, their power in the dating scene increases dramatically.

This exactly. The same "I'M TOO HOT FOR ANYONE" bitches that are at clubs during their prime years will have rude awakenings in the future.

A woman's value is through her looks. A man's is through his status.

>>632382
you do know you're only helping him make his point right

>>632615

Then I don't see how his point could be anything other than that men are the superior gender in just about every way.

The only men who disagree with this are the aformentioned man-children who do not deserve all the glory that comes with being a man, as they are not men.

For them, I have no sympathy, as their problems are usually all their own. Life isn't fair, and it's certainly not fair to fat and ugly girls either, so don't act like "no one understands my pain, man"

To be honest, I don't really agree with most this stuff, but you're missing what happens when a woman cheats on a man
>Her current partner clearly wasn't satisfying her enough, he deserved to be cheated on because her happiness is important
When the dude does it, it's either met with bro-enthusiasm (Betas and fratboys) or
>What an asshole, all men are scumbags, just after sex, rah rah!

>>632341
Marriage is actually very important to income. Source: http://www.catalyst.org/publication/217/womens-earnings-and-income

But try taking those statistics and factoring out men and women who have the same experience, working the same occupation, have never married (not unmarried) and have never had children.

Today in Psychology we were having a discussion on child abuse and a girl said that when girls get raped its a traumatic experience but when a boy gets raped by a woman it's not really "rape" because they'll like it. and all the other women nodded in agreement
fuck women

>>632577

Women are just handed things simply because they are women. Hot women have it easier than everyone, that is true. The fact is that women in modern western society are granted opportunities and flexibility in their roles that a man can never hope to have. Want to joing the armed forces? Look we made the test easier for you! Want to study science or some other male-dominated field ? Here we have a quota system so that you can get a spot instead of some guy who scored higher than you. Do you hate some dude? Say he raped you!

That bs about men increasing with age is due to the fact that the population of men relative to women decreases with age as well.

>>632734

>The fact is that women in modern western society are granted opportunities and flexibility in their roles that a man can never hope to have. Want to joing the armed forces? Look we made the test easier for you! Want to study science or some other male-dominated field ? Here we have a quota system so that you can get a spot instead of some guy who scored higher than you. Do you hate some dude? Say he raped you!

I don't think any of this is based in any real fact, save the rape bit. That's really the only area a woman wields serious power over a man, but it's a tradeoff I'm willing to take, I just don't fuck around with conniving cunts who pretend they're drunk.

I don't really think they can just "dumb down" aptitude tests for major things like the military, and if they do, then the job the woman receives will most likely not be one of very high importance.

I can't imagine there being a quota in any type of scientific-related field of study, either.

Either way, it's all pebbles compared to all the benefits of being a man. Men shouldn't want to be just handed things anyways. Nothing worth having in this life is easy to obtain, all the little free perks that come with having a vagina are not worth the negatives.

>>632706
You could have told them that they were condoning patriarchal stereotyping by claiming that a male can't be traumatised by sex with a female since they assumed that the boy is primarily a sexual being instead of a fucking child who has his own view of sex and his sexuality.

>>632734

>Here we have a quota system so that you can get a spot instead of some guy who scored higher than you

That's not what affirmative action is. It's about recognizing a bias and refocusing the hiring process (like where it's putting its ads) into a larger scope so a more diverse group is targeted. At no point are employers required to hire a less sound candidate over a better one.

>Do you hate some dude? Say he raped you!

The rape conviction rate is 7% in America. If a person is lying, their arguments are going to fall apart - how likely is it that they would actually get a conviction if it was that low? If the charges are dismissed, no one knows he was charged.

>Want to joing the armed forces? Look we made the test easier for you!

Why is it a bad thing to want to serve your country? The other things were actually "bad," but this? Why is this bad?

>>632773
see
>>632706
that's not a small perk

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>be a man
>realize i have so many more advantages over women
>use these advantages to be a dominant alpha male
>never let women keep me down
>read topics like this
>laugh at all the beta males
seriously fellas, man up. We're men. We run the the whole fucking world
ps - its thoughts like this that don't get you any pussy

>>632793

Yes it is, it's fucking tiny and insigificant and most likely true anyways.

Even if it isn't, so what if a group of teenage/early 20's women says something stupid? They're women, their opinion doesn't matter anyways, right?

>>632802
please list the ones that dont have you working over half your life or with money at all

>>632820

The fuck are you on about?

That makes no sense.

>>632824
I mean list the perks that men have that dont involve working or money

>>632820
>wants to be successful
>doesn't wanna work hard

>>632773

>"dumb down" aptitude tests for major things like the military

They do for the physical in the USA. But there are feminists who want to up it. The reason it's lower is that most people would agree the average woman has less upper body strength than the average man, so women do less push-ups to greater increase their likelihood to join. However, in general, I think the military lowers its requirements across the bar to increase its likelihood of recruitment, especially at the beginnings of the wars.

You are correct that women are not allowed in certain areas of the military, like active combat, which would be important for them to be as physically fit as the male soldiers. But women aren't barring themselves from going into battle, Congress is. Which is made up predominantly of men.

That's more of an aside for the "masculinists" in this thread, though.

>>632831
why should you have to be successful to have perks as a man?

>>632706

They're only repeating what South Park, made by men, told them. Not saying they're not douches, but women aren't the only ones perpetuating that idea.

Im a girl, but I still think the way men are treated is fucking awful. Why do we get special treatment?

>>632792
1. I was talking about universities' science programs. Men are actually being denied the opportunity to study under certain programs because women are being placed preferentially and not on merit.

2.Yes people are gonna know that the accused was charged with rape. These things don't happend in isolation people involved with the defendant and the accuser will talk, word spreads. That could ruin the guy's prospects for employment or romance in the future.

3.Wanting to serve your country is very noble. However, being allowed to do so without having the ability to do the same work as your colleagues -in-arms means that you are a liability and that they must now cover for your deficiencies.

that was actually kind of funny OP

the only reason people say things on the man side is because you are a pussy that doesn't stick up for himself

also that chart really shows how much more is expected as men, and how much society caters to women, because society is pretty sexist. society gives women more, and supports women more, because people know that women are weaker and less independent than men

feels good man

>>632341
Those statistics are unbalanced because women intentionally seek out lower paying, easy jobs to do.

Receptionists, secretaries, etc are almost always female.

If any of these things bother you on a serious level, you need to grow up.

Otherwise, keep this shit coming. Fun to read.

>>632845

Your perk as a man is that you can be respected without having to prove anything.
Your perk as a man is not to have people tell you you can't be a leader because you're too emotional or that you'll nuke the world when you're on your PMS
Your perk as a man is your ability to sleep around without being called a slut or being knocked up.
Your perk as a man is seeing yourself reflected in the faces of the majority of big business owners and politicians. You are the elite.
Your perk as a man is never being told that because of your gender you belong in the kitchen.
Your perk as a man is a less likelihood of being raped, or beaten by your spouse.
Your perk as a man is being seen as universally emotionally, physically and mentally superior and stronger than the opposite sex.
Your perk as a man is having a long rich history of owning property, voting, and many other rights that affected your cultural significance over the opposite sex.
Your perk as a man is not to be blamed for the fall of Mankind (Eve, every evopsych theory)
Your perk as a man is not to walk alone and wonder if you're about to become another rape and murder statistic.


The patriarchy demands a lot from men but you do have more perks than women do.

>>632845

Because of the way the fucking genders work.

If you want to try and find some excuse as to why you, as you are right now, a lazy fat slob of a man, needs to have to work hard to be respected as a man, then you are not a fucking man and never will be.

If you were an attractive guy, with your lack of motivation, you'd still do alright with women, much like hot women, despite any bitchy personality, can get men simply because they're attractive, and men want sex more than women do. (or at least act on their urges more).

That's just the way sexes work. Men have to work harder than women, but get far, far more in the way of rewards. If you truly want to live life on pussy, easy-mode then go and get a sex change but to say men do not have it better in the overall picture of life is to lie.

If you're not confident, social, outgoing, etc, then work on it. Almost everything in life can be improved upon with hard work. If you don't want to work hard, then fuck you.

Why don't they teach gender roles in school?

I didn't know I was doing it wrong until I grew up. It's not fair, not every guy is going to naturally fall into the archetype of person that women want. Or more importantly that society at large wants.

It's okay to be upset at the system, but don't take it out on the women. Both men and women have it hard to be honest, when it comes to gender roles and expectations. For men it, be a "man" or die, and women be attractive or die.

Although men obviously have it harder. Even an attractiveness/average chick can become physically fit/wear make-up. A man can buff himself up as well, but you're an aspie, you're going to stay that way.

>>632870
>I was talking about universities' science programs. Men are actually being denied the opportunity to study under certain programs because women are being placed preferentially and not on merit.

"Preferentially" and "on merit" are not mutually exclusive. You implied that inferior women are being chose over superior men. "Preferential" means that they're looking to fill a quota, but not that they're hiring someone who is an inferior candidate. "Quota-filling" doesn't so much as happen as widening the pool of applicants. It would be highly unlikely if the wider pool of applicants still chose X over minority Y unless they were already choosing base on the fact X was better than Y. It's a question of whether or not they're "blindly" interviewing, sure, but the wider pool is the point.

>2.Yes people are gonna know that the accused was charged with rape. These things don't happend in isolation people involved with the defendant and the accuser will talk, word spreads. That could ruin the guy's prospects for employment or romance in the future.

That's a lot of assumptions. And if a jury didn't believe the lying person, why would anyone else? Why would that show up on their record? It wouldn't. It wouldn't come up with employment or romances unless someone was particularly vengeful.

>3.Wanting to serve your country is very noble. However, being allowed to do so without having the ability to do the same work as your colleagues -in-arms means that you are a liability and that they must now cover for your deficiencies.

The tests you're talking about is physical aptitude and meant for active duty, which women aren't allowed in any way. The "biased" test is pointless because women aren't doing the work where they would actually become a liability to the rest of the soldiers.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. I think you're just repeating what people have told you.

>>632999

>I don't think you know what you're talking about. I think you're just repeating what people have told you.

Welcome to 99% of the arguments you see on here involving how women have it easy, men have it oh-so-rough, and that all women are whores

>>632933
>Your perk as a man is that you can be respected without having to prove anything.

Nigga please

>>632939
>If you truly want to live life on pussy, easy-mode then go and get a sex change

The funny thing about that is that the chart suspiciously left off that trans women are beat up and killed more often than trans men. It's definitely not "easy mode" when so many straight men would go insane if they found out a woman they thought was attractive was born biologically a dude.

>>633025
See picture. You have the respect of at least being an individual. Hell, there are plenty of women and men out there who are going to want to hear things from a man rather than a woman. Why do you think more men carry stations of respect than women do? Because women are seen as emotional, flaky, irrational, and stupid. You could sail on by being the dumbest man on the planet but as long as you don't say a word, people are going to respect you more than that equally dumb girl. Males have always been the leaders. Their opinions are often seen as more valuable.

YOU KNOW WHAT? FUCK DIS SHIT. THE GRASS ID ALWAYS GREENER N THE OTHER FUCKING SIDE!

>>632773
Uh, women require lower test scores to pass military physical tests pretty much everywhere.

Hell, check the US army/navy/airforce websites or talk to a recruiter.

>>633063
unless you can pull your weight as a man your less than an insect

>>632999
In most cases they are filling a quota and this excludes merit in some part. For example the program must have 40/100 females. 200 males and 100 females apply. That would mean that 40% of the female applicants would be accepted but only 30% of the males would. Since they are filling a quota they highest scoring female accepted could have a worse score than the lowest scoring male accepted. That is clearly discriminatory.

>>632792
You don't need a conviction to ruin a guy's life by claiming he raped you.

Even if charges are dropped due to lack of evidence, the social stigma and publicity will practically guarantee he loses his job and friends.

>>633063
Can't it be that the men in those positions were better qualified than some upstart who felt that people owe her their attention.

>You could sail on by being the dumbest man on the planet but as long as you don't say a word, people are going to respect you more than that equally dumb girl.
'Cuz she wouldn't shut up.

>>633098
It's not only in the military, also the police and fire serviecs. Would you want someone who can't lift their weight as you only salvation from a burning building?

Tired of seeing this shit, so I fixed your list for you.

This is what this list looks like when you aren't an insane bitter shut-in nergin.

I'm a guy posting this, btw, just so there's no confusion (don't hit on me you silly girls~~)

>>633197
No, OP's chart is what it looks like when you aren't a naive man slave

>>631577
>>633197
reposted w/ a quote from this thread that phrases all this better than I can

>>633107

I'd just like to point out that although it's unlawful for these practices to happen, the Supreme Court ruled them (by a narrow margin) acceptable despite being discrimination and would suddenly become illegal again when some arbitrary number of people equalize the system.

So... yeah. Even if you don't think anything else is bullshit, affirmative action is bullshit. It's unlawful and our Supreme Court justices admit that.

>>633219
>naive man slave
And you wonder why girls don't like you.
Shut up faggot

>>631497
>>631388
Maybe instead of just saying how stupid and sexist the person who made it is, you could drop the ad hominem and actually show which are false. That would make your claims more than just rhetoric.

>>631637
>be a man a deal with it, faggot bitch nigger

Problem: Experience a sexist society
Female: Whiteknights and feminists agree about how badly off you are and try to skew things the other way for you
Male: Get told to man up, you faggot bitch nigger

>>631577
>Typical misogynistic crybaby bias.
>I'm not saying that men don't have it bad in many spheres
So it's biased and we're delusional for believing it, but we do have it bad compared to women? Is the way that complaining is any way makes a man a misogynist and just makes a woman interesting and opinionated part of the way we have it bad?

>men have it better. Take a look at those successful in any professions, or at the richest people in the world. Males dominate everything. Try cracking open a sociology, or alternatively, history textbook sometime.
Oh wow, most great people have been and are men. That really makes me feel better about the bias I experience in every day life. The fact that a few people of my gender have done more than people of the other gender. I guess that makes it fair, balances out.

Feminism is all about collective punishment for men and collective restitution to women for what society has been like centuries ago.

And for every man who has dominated a field, there have been a million die in wars, as civilians or conscripted members of some army or other. The mediocrity of femininity has an appeal, even without the bias it gets from society thanks to feminism.

>>632773
>I don't really think they can just "dumb down" aptitude tests for major things like the military
>I can't imagine there being a quota in any type of scientific-related field of study

its like youre six

>>633197
Ok, let's see where you're wrong:
People DO think you're gay if you don't want sex with a girl.
Prenups don't work, nowadays they're basically a trick that makes you think you can have a marriage and be safe.
Anyone in a serious field does frown upon guys playing video games.
Some girls occasionally thinking you're hot (if you're not a poof) for being gay doesn't make up for the discrimination you face.
There. Maybe try reading more than just feminist politically correct views next time and you'll already know that before you make a fool out of yourself.

>>633260
>>633197
Lol'd heartily at the prenup. A++ would lol again.

Mostly it's hit or miss, but it does end up in favor of YOU'RE FUCKED more often than not, either that or a man has to dig the bottom of the barrel because women tend to judge their worth above what it actually is.

The reality is women are expecting more outta men than they can really give. Everyone is told to save themselves for prince charming, but he's a fucking fantasy character from a goddamn cartoon. He does not exist. Yet men are striving to be him because that's what women want.

And it's crushing the younger ones.

Sure, you can always find an exception to the rule, but the rule is, unless you are a REAL MAN, no decent woman wants a part of you.

Still, fucking lolling at that prenup bullshit, goddamn, son.

>>632933
>Your perk as a man is that you can be respected without having to prove anything.
not so...men are more aggressive and therefore more competitive
>Your perk as a man is not to have people tell you you can't be a leader because you're too emotional or that you'll nuke the world when you're on your PMS
true, but we get our own sexist insults...ladies are lucky
>Your perk as a man is your ability to sleep around without being called a slut or being knocked up.
who says thats a positive...if you fail to sleep around you are a looser...why are ladies so obsessed with wanting the right to sleep around?
>Your perk as a man is seeing yourself reflected in the faces of the majority of big business owners and politicians. You are the elite.
yes, but those faces work entirely for your benefit...so really the ladies are the elite
>Your perk as a man is never being told that because of your gender you belong in the kitchen.
no we just die on battlefields, in fires, protecting others...and youre justy complaining about insults? mnan the ladies get a sweet deal
>Your perk as a man is a less likelihood of being raped, or beaten by your spouse.
but more likely to be assulted robbed and murdered by everyone else...again, sweet deal ladies

>Your perk as a man is being seen as universally emotionally, physically and mentally superior and stronger than the opposite sex.
untrue...we are always praising women for their superior feeling and intuition...and in all fairness we are more likely to be stronger and have higher IQs...thats just nature
>Your perk as a man is having a long rich history of owning property, voting, and many other rights that affected your cultural significance over the opposite sex.
lol..throughout most of history NO ONE owned anything except the royal class which wonsisted of both men and women...and democracy is relatively new...so some men could vote, but government was near nonexistent
>Your perk as a man is not to be blamed for the fall of Mankind (Eve, every evopsych theory)
no we just get blamed for all of its current evils
>Your perk as a man is not to walk alone and wonder if you're about to become another rape and murder statistic.
again, men are more likely to be the victims of ALL violence other than rape

The patriarchy demands a lot from men but you do have more perks than women do.
uh huh

>>633281
Enjoy working to support your wife for the rest of your life.

>>633453
There's a social stigma against lesbians now?

What the fuck?

It's almost universally accepted that when someone uses the term gay, they mean homosexual men, and it's usually in the negative way.

Besides, the only lesbians I've ever met are stealth lesbians or 99%ers who think being a lesbian is a cultural and fashion thing, rather than just being sexually attracted to women.

>>633378

>People DO think you're gay if you don't want sex with a girl.
On a consistent basis? Yeah, that might happen. The fallout for a woman denying her man that much sex would probably be significantly worse, though.
You just need to find a person who has similar sexual needs to you. This isn't a guy vs. girl thing at all.

>Prenups don't work, nowadays they're basically a trick that makes you think you can have a marriage and be safe.
I don't know enough about prenuptials to argue with this so I'll go ahead and accede this point. Men definitely get fucked over a lot by divorces.

>Anyone in a serious field does frown upon guys playing video games.
That's probably because people in serious fields right now are like 30+ or 40+. A lot of middle aged/adults nowadays frown on vidya. Most of the hardcore super intense career driven students I know are also gamers. This is just a generational gap thing and doesn't have much to do with gender.

>Some girls occasionally thinking you're hot (if you're not a poof) for being gay doesn't make up for the discrimination you face.
Yeah, of course. My heart goes out to people who are gay, they get a fucking raw deal. Men get fucked over by this more than women, but being a lesbian in this society blows too.

>>631346
Welp, that settles it, I'm getting a sex change!
...
Fuck you, OP. Even if everything you said was true, I would take being male over being female in ANY situation.

The problem with this list is that it defines all women by the actions of the average stupid bimbo, while the man's point of view is some kind of reasonable intellectual.

If a reasonable intellectual girl made a list just like this with the assumption that all men are your average meathead retard jock it'd look a lot like the OP's but the other way around.

even though some of the things on that list is a little women-hatey, anyone with half a brain can admit that everything there IS TRUE 75% of the time. I'm not even a women-hater, I just admit to the truth, especially when i see it.
I dare anyone to rebuke this.

>>633484
You can be one of the cool girls who knows how feminism isn't about equality.

>>633495
I'll give you 20%, and nothing more.

>>633484
That's because you have testosterone and an associated feeling called "ambition." Women can't understand anything other than personal material gain and security. They are the definition of der letzte mensch.

>>633491
I think a better way to see it is that it defines a woman that only a retard would want. None of those traits are very desirable, but there are a lot of men willing to settle for a girl like that.
in other words, i think its safe to assume that a lot of men settle for too little.
If you think of this the other way around, it would be hard to do, because there are a lot less cases where a woman dates a completely retarded man-version of this list's woman column.

>>633515
>Women can't understand anything other than personal material gain and security.

And then there's THIS guy.

>>633522
>because there are a lot less cases where a woman dates a completely retarded man-version of this list's woman column.
And that's how the angry nergin hordes of r9k are created :3c

>>633523
Creativity may be another example of gender difference in motivation rather than ability. The evidence presents a seeming paradox, because the tests of creativity generally show men and women scoring about the same, yet through history some men have been much more creative than women. An explanation that fits this pattern is that men and women have the same creative ability but different motivations.

I am a musician, and have long wondered about this difference. We know from the classical music scene that women can play instruments beautifully, superbly, proficiently - essentially just as well as men. They can and many do. Yet in jazz, where the performer has to be creative while playing, there is a stunning imbalance: hardly any women improvise. Why? The ability is there but perhaps the motivation is less. They don't feel driven to do it.

>>633512
so you think men are advantageous 80% of the time when they have no personal hobbies, and a woman is at a disadvantage 80% of the time for the same reason? what kind of backwards world do you live in?

>>633539
I suppose the stock explanation for any such difference is that women were not encouraged, or were not appreciated, or were discouraged from being creative. But I don't think this stock explanation fits the facts very well. In the 19th century in America, middle-class girls and women played piano far more than men. Yet all that piano playing failed to result in any creative output. There were no great women composers, no new directions in style of music or how to play, or anything like that. All those female pianists entertained their families and their dinner guests but did not seem motivated to create anything new.

Meanwhile, at about the same time, black men in America created blues and then jazz, both of which changed the way the world experiences music. By any measure, those black men, mostly just emerging from slavery, were far more disadvantaged than the middle-class white women. Even getting their hands on a musical instrument must have been considerably harder. And remember, I'm saying that the creative abilities are probably about equal. But somehow the men were driven to create something new, more than the women.

http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm

>>633539
>>633543
"Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up. More fittingIy than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please. This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever, and the reason for this is, l think, as follows. Man strives in everything for a direct domination over things, either by comprehending or by subduing them. But woman is everywhere and always relegated to a merely indirect domination, which is achieved by means of man, who is consequently the only thing she has to dominate directly. Thus it lies in the nature of women to regard everything simply as a means of capturing a man, and their interest in anything else is only simulated, is no more than a detour, i.e. amounts to coquetry and mimicry."

"Would any link be missing from the whole chain of science and art, if woman, if woman's work, were excluded from it? Let us acknowledge the exception - it proves the rule - that woman is capable of perfection in everything which does not constitute a work: in letters, in memoirs, in the most intricate handiwork - in short, everything which is not a craft; and precisely because in the things mentioned woman perfects herself, because in them she obeys the only artistic impulse in her nature, which is to captivate."

>>633547
At birth, men and women have the same intellectual potential; there is no primary difference in intelligence between the sexes. It is also a fact that potential left to stagnate will atrophy. Women do not use their mental capacity: they deliberately let it disintegrate. After a few years of sporadic training, they revert to a state of irreversible mental torpor.

Why do women not make use of their intellectual potential? For the simple reason that they do not need to. It is not essential for their survival. Theoretically it is possible for a beautiful woman to have less intelligence than a chimpanzee and still be considered an acceptable member of society.

By the age of twelve at the latest, most women have decided to become prostitutes. Or, to put it another way, they have planned a future for themselves which consists of choosing a man and letting him do all the work. In return for his support, they are prepared to let him make use of their vagina at certain given moments. The minute a woman has made this decision she ceases to develop her mind. She may, of course, go on to obtain various degrees and diplomas. These increase her market value in the eyes of men, for men believe that a woman who can recite things by heart must also know and understand them. But any real possibility of communication between the sexes ceases at this point. Their paths are divided forever.

>>633552

One of man's worst mistakes, and one he makes over and over again, is to assume that woman is his equal, that is, a human being of equal mental and emotional capacity. A man may observe his wife, listen to her, judge her feelings by her reactions, but in all this he is judging her only by outward symptoms, for he is using his own scale of values.

He knows what he would say, think, and do if he were in her shoes. When he looks at her depressing ways of doing things, he assumes there must be something that prevents her from doing what he himself would have done in her position. This is natural, as he considers himself the measure of all things - and rightly so - if humans define themselves as beings capable of abstract thought.

When a man sees a woman spending hours cooking, washing dishes and cleaning, it never occurs to him that such jobs probably make her quite happy since they are exactly at her mental level. Instead he assumes that this drudgery prevents her from doing all those things which he himself considers worthwhile and desirable. Therefore, he invents automatic dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, and precooked foods to make her life easier and to allow her to lead the dream life he himself longs for.

>Taught from infancy that beauty is woman's sceptre, the mind shapes itself to the body, and roaming round its gilt cage, only seeks to adorn its prison.

>>633531
right now my reading comprehension is sucky so bear with me. are you saying you agree with me?
to be clearer, i was saying that it just comes down to women in general being more picky when it comes to partners. not that this is a bad thing.

>>633539
To adhere to the general norm regarding attractiveness men are expected to act assertive and pro-active while females should be submissive and passive.
Guess which behaviour promotes creativity and ingenuity the most?

>>633559
No way, dude, it's definitely because
>Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please. This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever

whycan'tmyfaceholdallthesepalms.jpg

>>633559
That's one theory. You have to prove it first. And even so, I'd hope there would be some outliers - if introjected cultural norms are all it takes to define behaviour, many many artforms that originated in underclasses and freedmen (such as jazz and blues) should not have come to pass. And there was no systemic attempt to repress female creativity in arts or academia, are you kidding? It would vastly, linearly increase her sexual "market value" if she were a brilliant composer. They were greatly encouraged to high achievement, albeit in limited spheres.

And now we've had about a century of telling women nothing is their fault, patriarchy was just keeping them down, they're amazing and perfect and awesome, shoving them out the door and encouraging them, begging them to accomplish great things.. and still 1% of sciences and math are male-dominated, despite no practical difference in ability, and despite females (much to the delight of feminists) doing better than males in school now, and overtaking them in institutional education.

>>633565
>Schopenhauer, a genius and one of the pillars of modern Western thought, is attempting evolutionary psychology! I am facepalming, epic fail, for the win!

h8 u

>>633588
>and still 1% of sciences and math are male-dominated,

Woops, I mean to say, about 1% of those scientists are female, and the fields are male-dominated.

This entire thread is AIDS.
I hope moot deletes this board again.

>>633588
>h8 u

did you read the sentence I quoted? I understand how a stupid and dismissive response is obnoxious but I can't fucking muster anything else when I read something so profoundly idiotic

>>633601
That thesis is about as old as Western philosophy. To dumb it down for you, women do not create because it isn't their inclination. They're sexual commodities, meant to motivate the males to actually do stuff, which gets sublimated and turned into civilization/art/etc. Here's Charles Darwin:

"Without the higher powers of the imagination and reason, no eminent success can be gained in many subjects. These latter faculties, as well as the former, will have been developed in man, partly through sexual selection,- that is, through the contest of rival males, and partly through natural selection,- from success in the general struggle for life; and as in both cases the struggle will have been during maturity, the characters gained will have been transmitted more fully to the male than to the female offspring. It accords in a striking manner with this view of the modification and re-inforcement of many of our mental faculties by sexual selection, that, firstly, they notoriously undergo a considerable change at puberty, and, secondly, that eunuchs remain throughout life inferior in these same qualities. Thus man has ultimately become superior to woman. It is, indeed, fortunate that the law of the equal transmission of characters to both sexes prevails with mammals; otherwise it is probable that man would have become as superior in mental endowment to woman, as the peacock is in ornamental plumage to the peahen."

>>633612
Thank you for enlightening me, I'm going to get up right now and personally inform all the female artists I know who create things of stunning depth and beauty that they should cut it out and get in the kitchen so they can perform tasks suited to their intellectual level.

why can't the world just admit that men and women were just built for different things? Look at every other species on the planet.
I know I'm probably presenting the dumbest argument here but it just hit me.
why are women trying to be like men? Don't they realize its freaking hard sometimes? They weren't meant for it.

>>633626
No, you should go give them a fucking pat on the back for making the most of the one life they get like a human should instead of sitting around on their asses getting only what's handed to them.

>>633626
You can detect a female by how emotionally they react to data and hypothesis, and how many irrelevant anecdotes they level against it. Read the links already posted in this thread for why "I KNEW A GIRL WHO PAINTED A THING" doesn't discount the stunning disparity in female and male creative artists and scientists, through all periods and at all times.

Conveniently, you can just quod vide when your natural inclination is to respond "BUT MEN WERE DISSUADING THEM FROM DOING ANYTHING," which is fallacious.

this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6F1zJINtjU

>>633653
>You can detect a female by how emotionally they react to data and hypothesis, and how many irrelevant anecdotes they level against it. Read the links already posted in this thread for why "I KNEW A GIRL WHO PAINTED A THING" doesn't discount the stunning disparity in female and male creative artists and scientists, through all periods and at all times.

Not a woman, but nice try. I'm responding with stupid, sarcastic anecdotes because trying to argue intellectually with someone who posts quotes like
>"Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please. This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever"
and
>Women can't understand anything other than personal material gain and security.

Would clearly be an exercise in fucking futility. If you want to be taken seriously don't act like a clown.

>>633680
What? It's true. You just won't argue because you can't.

>If you want to be taken seriously don't act like a clown.
The ironing is delicious.

>>633697
>the ironing

i see what u deed ther.

>>633680
>never responds to actual argument
>just responds again and again with "IT'S INHERENTLY WRONG BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT"

are you SURE you're not female..? you want to argue by fiat, you have nothing interesting to say and no education but you insist on butting in and telling people what they're allowed to think. you're male?

also you're calling socrates, aristotle, plato, on down to schopenhauer, kant, freud, darwin, etc., and many modern sociologists clowns.

>>633728
this post makes me cringe, i have to hide it

>>633599
Moot is one of the males being discriminated against.

He is neither handsome nor suave. Neither rich nor famous. He probably experiences double standards on a regular basis.

I'm not saying this is a major problem but:

Want a teddy bear?

Male: Freak. Wierdo. Needs to be socially ostricised.

Female: Awwwh, isn't that cute.

>>632999

>The tests you're talking about is physical aptitude and meant for active duty, which women aren't allowed in any way. The "biased" test is pointless because women aren't doing the work where they would actually become a liability to the rest of the soldiers.

Women are held to lower standards, are put in combat situations despite being in non combat MOS, break down unit integrity, are paid the same as men, cannot pull their own weight.

In training, they are a proven liability. The instructors have to take down the standards for the men so that the women don't feel left out. I'm not kidding. They also have noticed a severe breakdown in the social integrity of the soldiers as a whole when women are introduced into the group.

Even the Army admits this turns out shittier soldiers and causes problems. They only allow co-ed military boarding, training, deployment because they would upset feminists otherwise, and if they upset feminists then the congressmen get shit for it, and then they don't get reelected.

Same goes for the police force and fire department.

>Guy wanting to get pegged:
gay

>Girl wanting to peg a guy:
Confidently living out her sexual fantasies.

>>633476
AHAHAHAHAH
>implying fat guys aren't fucked
>implying fat girls can't get laid
>implying fat guys can get a girlfriend

>>634179
>that feel when no teddy bear
>that feel when you can't make faces at puppies
>that feel when you can't even look at strangers kids, even if they are adorable
>that feel when your clothes look boring but dressing in something nice will make you look like a faggot
>that feel when no emotion in emotional scenes on TV/movies/etc
>that feel when you have to pretend to love sports even though you hate them
>that feel when you'd rather a girly drink than another horrible beer
>that feel when you can't hug or cuddle friends unless they initiate it and are females and even then, it's weird and you can't do it that often

I wish I could tard out in public at nice things, eat faggot pastries at the shop and all sorts of shit, but oh well, being able to walk outside in my creased wife beater and shorts, unwashed and unshaven is nice.

>>635605
You can always became a hipster and do all of this faggotry stuff.

>>632999
>"Preferentially" and "on merit" are not mutually exclusive.
if it were truly based on merit, then there wouldnt need quota because they would get in by being most qualified
>Why would that show up on their record? It wouldn't.
what? of course charges show up on background checks which employers often do as do some women who are considering dating
>The tests you're talking about is physical aptitude and meant for active duty, which women aren't allowed in any way.
lol...all 'active duty' means that youre not a reservist and not retired...of course there are women who are active duty b/c active duty is just a way of saying 'im in the military'...and of course they perform auxiliary roles which put them in the line of fire

heres the thing...if you HAET the stuff we talk about here then you can just ignore it or argue against it...but yuo have to know what youre talking about...some of you seem like youre just angry that someone is saying something you dont like and just go on making stuff up