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>The Lib Dem leadership has said its pledge to abolish student tuition fees may have to be put on hold because of the scale of the debt crisis.

I THINK IT IS POO

Universities are overpriced everywhere.

Roll w/ it, dawg

>>5535106
>>The Lib Dem leadership has said its pledge to abolish student tuition fees may have to be put on hold because of the scale of the debt crisis.

The only reason I was going to vote for them too. Bollocks.

Can someone explain to me why Wales and Scotland get to go to Uni for free, out of our taxes, but we have to pay (and now apparently even more).

>>5535144
They're free in Scotland.

They want more students to attend university but they allow private companies to manage finance, which fucks up to no one's surprise, and then propose to increase the amount to go in the first place.
Fuck them and their stupid middle class, privileged lives.

>>5535158
>we have to pay

Because all your students come up here, dumbass.

>>5535174

You keep thinking that you tosser.

>>5535203
I will because it's true, faggot. Enjoy your denial.

>>5535075
>University_of_Sheffield.jpg

Yeah Sheffield represent!

So even if you're english you can get into scottish universities for free?

>>5535214

Care to give any examples you northern cunt?

For those of you in the dark about what happened to create the mess in the first place (and, having sat on my university's board as a student representative, I know what I'm talking about):

This is directly down to the fact that Labour decided that 50% of young people would benefit from university. That wouldn't have been a problem if they hadn't fucked with the structure.

First they shut down (or relienced to full university status) the polytechnics which used to turn out skilled and useful electricians, plumbers, mechanics etc. because it was a two-tier system, and that "wasn't fair". They started turning out soft academic courses instead, at a far lower standard, to try and keep up with the established group of "full" universities.

Then they shut grammar schools because they were "elitist", forgetting that those places were key to social mobility, as they picked on merit so anyone had a chance if they worked hard enough. This burned the bridges that the working/lower middle class had to uni.

Grants were scrapped because suddenly there wasn't enough to go around, and the govt needed the funding for the new university places. But they'd cut the traditional access paths to the traditional universities and introduced ones that were easier to get into. As a result of ease of access due to lowered standards, demand exploded, and there wasn't enough cash to keep up. Fees were introduced, then top-up fees. This has driven potential students away and made the whole thing a minefield.

>>5535380
>First they shut down (or relienced to full university status) the polytechnics which used to turn out skilled and useful electricians, plumbers, mechanics etc. because it was a two-tier system, and that "wasn't fair". They started turning out soft academic courses instead, at a far lower standard, to try and keep up with the established group of "full" universities.

This is why going to Uni nowadays has so little prestige to it. You know what you're talking about bro, good post.

>>5535380
>working/lower middle class had to uni

how? I never went to grammar school and I will be going to uni. But yeah it seems labour are idiots. Its a shame the conservatives will fuck it up even more when they get voted in.

>>5535230

No, the tuition fees are around 1,820 but there's an extra year of study

>>5535464

See with the Tories there's the people who think they will make things better and those that think 'it couldn't be any worse than labour'

>>5535495
so we support their country and put up with theirconstant complaining and need to do everything separately and they wont even let us have the same free uni access they get?

>>5535106
haha, stole the post right out of my fingers
that was one of the reasons why i liked lib dems so much :[

they're still leagues ahead of all the other parties though

anyway i thought this report was a load of rubbish and everyone's saying so?

>>5535464

Well, you were probably a good student to begin with. Taking away the grammar schools removed an access path for kids who weren't going to public (private) schools. With the grammars gone, they had to either compete for the paying school places, which drove up fees (simple supply/demand), or (more frequently) join the state secondaries where traditionally only a small percentage went on to uni and they stood a higher chance of getting drowned out since there were now more pupils and hence pressure on schools.

>>5535507
Well personally I think they will make it worse, they are already talking about lessening support for college students.

This is all a result of labour's efforts to get more people into university. As far as I can see we have large numbers of expensive students doing worthless degrees that don't contribute to the economy. Better to get more of them into apprenticeships rather than doing degrees and then not getting a job in the subject they studied.

there's no excuse that university is so expensive when we live in the most information rich age. educators need to get off their arses and keep up.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north748.html

I'm about to start the final year of a 4 year degree and at 3,000 for three years and 1,500 for the other it really isn't even close to being worth the money.