obama is a nigger, but he's our nigger

Obama is a nigger.
Also, OP can't inb4.

>>5488256
why not? who came up with that bullshit rule? inb4 is a way to preemptively filter out stupid replies

>>5488234 America, why are half of you such complete faggots?

Hurrdurr I spent 2.5 hours in front of the T.V. and are expert on healthcare.

Legalize Marijuana. That is all.

AAAAAH WE'VE HAD THIS THREAD A MILLION TIMES. AND WHY DO YOU EURO FAGS CARE SO MUCH ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU? FUCK OFF.

You can't justify private health care
But I am very much against public health care

Everyone should just work, earn money, and pay for their & their family's health care
If you can't pay for it, oh well, guess you can't make more people that can't pay for it

>>5488276
Its because their own countries are boring as hell and they look to us for entertainment no only through music movies and video games, but our politics as well.

>>5488276
Why do you amerifags care about the well-being of Iraqis?

>>5488267
>inb4 is a way to preemptively filter out stupid replies
>Filter out stupid replies
>Implying people will do what you tell them

That's not how inb4 works faggot.

Michael Moore is a fat retard and Obama is a nigger.

>>5488283

see, thats my problem with it. Its nice to set some normative value, but what happens in reality?

What should these people do? Just fade into non existence?

This is the problem with the republicans. They set some kind of arbitrary value, and then they pretend that everything below it doesn't exist.

OH GEE PEOPLE ARE POOR? WELL I GUESS THEY JUST DIDNT WORK HARD ENOUGH

OH WELL OFF TO THE SUBURBS LA DEE DA DEE DA

>>5488297
Oil. I'm pretty sure everyone except you knew that, you unproductive product of incest.

Obama is a nigger, but he's the greatest nigger of all time. OF ALL TIME.

The problem with healthcare reform is the pharmaceutical/insurance industries. They have more influence on public opinion than you'd think.

>>5488283

What is with fucking retarded sociopaths and them flocking to /r9k/?

>>5488283
i'm sorry sir that is the wrong answer.

please try again.

>>5488289
More like our countries aren't full of rageworthy things.

>>5488317
>Implying a healthy America also doesn't have economic value to non-Americans

DOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH GOOD ONE

>>5488234
>watches Micheal Moore movies

I'm sorry, 'relevant'?

We should nuke Europe. Europeans are getting bothersome.

>>5488297
I don't know why.. but the United States provides universal healthcare to Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>5488289

no one gives a shit about american except americans.

Seriously, no one is jealous of your country, except for third world countries, and even then, that idolization has been fading for the past 30 or so years.

The only reason everyone puts up with you is because you have a massively advanced army, and a massive consumer economy that can be easily duped into buying our shit.

Basically you are that crackhouse at the end of the street that no one wants to get rid off, because we know your strapped, and you spend your drug money at local merchants.

>>5488370
>Implying Europe doesn't have nuclear retaliatory capabilities

Do it, faggot. Us non-eurofags/non-amerifags will sit back and enjoy a nice tall glass of LOLURPWNT.

>>5488313
>but what happens in reality
In reality, poor people are poor because of their own choices
I grew up in the ghetto, I have been homeless... I watched MANY people choose to stay in the ghetto and stay homeless while I got off my ass and worked until I wasn't there anymore

>>5488397
I know some of them have nukes. It's worth sacrificing a few american cities.

Now more government programs for spics and niggers.

>>5488234
>don't actually give a shit about you at all
neither will the government hence why they take Medicaid away from people who need it

>>5488420

Amen to that, I don't even have to go to work anymore

no Europe, you are the faggots.

>>5488412
>>5488412
Learn about project Mirage

Cry when you understand that France alone could nuke a super power back to the stone age.

>>5488411
... and I bet you have $25000 in the bank to pay your medical bills if you get in a car accident. No? Then shut the fuck up, you're counting on socialism just as much as everyone else.

Protip: Insurance is by definition socialist.

Moore is so hyped about UHC because his fat ass is going to have a heart attack pretty soon.

>>5488412
>Implying Europe doesn't have enough nukes to wipe America out 5 times over
>Implying China and Russia also wouldn't get in on the action, simply because they're a) crazy and b) in the middle of the firing line

Hahahaha, enjoy your TOTALLY FUCKED NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE US.

>>5488444
Oh no, not the French!

>>5488446
>Insurance is by definition socialist.
Not if you are paying a private company to provide with insurance, it's a service

>>5488411

thats really oversimplifying the problem. Here's why I disagree with you:

You're lazy so you should be poor. Fine, now what about your kids? What if they are hard working, now they have very limited options to work their way out of it.

In reality, the next generation, and every subsequent generation has to pay for the mistakes of the last one.

Eg. The environments fucked because your grandparents thought burning coal was the bee's knees, and cars that had anything less than a V8 were for pussies. Who cares if it got less than 10 miles to the gallon, you could fill your tank for 2 bucks and gas was seemingly in infinite supply. How do YOU feel about having to recycle and pay carbon tax, and 4 dollars a gallon for gas, because the previous generations thought everything was just fucking awesome with no consequences and were gluttons about it.

Now apply the same thing to your little social economic model.

See?

>>5488446
Yes, I do. Although I have been in a car accident before and let me assure you it does not cost THAT much if you are paying up front. Doctors and hospitals give you a HUGE discount if you don't have insurance pay up front, because then they don't have to worry about you skipping out on the bill or the copay and/or insurance denying the claim later.

Anybody who opposses public healthcare deserves to be put into a concentration camp.

I'm against government healthcare just because it pisses eurofags off for some reason.

>What if they are hard working, now they have very limited options to work their way out of it.

That's just absolute bullshit. It's not like anyone ever says "Even though you have the money for this house, I'm not going to sell it to you, because I looked into your family history and there were poor people in it."

The reason poor people make more poor people is because they only teach their kids how to be poor.

>>5488234
>especially taking into consideration the context this movie puts it in,
you mean bias, seriously fuck Micheal Moore

The less we have corporate hands in the pockets of government the better.

seriously, aren't you rich enough you blackwater/exxon/haliburton fucks?

>>5488496

So then you are agreeing with me, that its a cyclical system? Because that's my point.

The environment is fucked because the last generations were irresponsible gluttons. Now our generation is responsible for fixing it. How is that fair?

Your parents were poor because "they were lazy". If that was true, then the next generation wants to work hard, but nothing will come of it, because they can't afford education, etc. Is that fair?

If this was the first generation ever that had poverty, I would be willing to buy your argument that personal responsibility is the direct cause, however this is the 1000th generation with poverty, so I think personal responsibility is a little overgeneralized as a cause.
I don't really get what point you are trying to make with your house analogy.

Michael Moore is a profiteer, anyone citing him as reference is retarded and ill informed.

That is all.

What people seem to forget is that the well being of those around you can often affect the well being of the area you live in and the well being of yourself.

One of the funniest things in the whole fucking world are americunts who actually openly support their health care system, or a lack of one. They have been fed the same line of bull for like what, 50 years? How health care leads to communism and how the only way you'll truly be free people is to pay tens of thousands of dollars for medical needs.

The only attempt to make an argument so far has been, when you have a private health care system, you don't pay for other people. LOL that's some shit right there. Except you have a few zeroes too much on those bills to say that.

Now, as if this pure mugging isn't enough for the insurance companies, the whole NWO went as far as to make up hundreds of mental illnesses so they would actually sell expensive drugs, for nonexistent conditions, to anyone, because everyone has those symptoms.

The USA is something akin to a colosseum. It provides great entertainment. But nobody outside of it with half a brain wants to get in. I think that the majority are unaware how health care actually works, and how they paid, again, tens of thousands of dollars for something that's supposed to be free.

obama is a straight nigger

>>5488567
So you are against anything dangerous or unhealthy?

>>5488538
i think there should be laws in place to keep anything business out of government. it's sickening how much these corporate fucks influence the gov't.

r3w5r35t3et5
>>5488547
>If that was true, then the next generation wants to work hard, but nothing will come of it, because they can't afford education, etc. Is that fair?

1. basic education is free
2. you don't need an education to work

while it is true that jobs you can get without an education pay less, if you work enough you can get more education

with enough work you will not be poor anymore

>I don't really get what point you are trying to make with your house analogy.
My point is what you are saying makes no sense

>>5488589
>1. basic education is free

GRR Socialized pinko communist healthcare is evil. Good ol' Joe McCarthy told me so.

Public education? What's wrong with it?

>>5488602
I don't remember ever saying that was a good thing. I am against giving people ANYTHING for free. But sadly that is not the way America works... we give the poor free educations, free food, free money, free housing, and they STILL don't appreciate it enough to get off their asses and work so we can stop giving them this shit.

>>5488589

again, you are oversimplifying things.

A basic education doesn't qualify you to do anything, and yes you need an education to work.

Your argument lacks some serious socioeconomic factoring.

If everyone had a basic education or no education, what kind of jobs do you think they would be able to aquire?

Menial labor jobs? So great, hows that going to work in the long run? You realize this country's economy is based on consumer consumption right?

The only way your theory would work is if everyone getting paid to do menial unskilled labor was being paid like 80 grand a year to do it.

However, people don't get paid that much. They get paid barely anything, and on top of it they don't get health insurance.

I don't understand what point you are making. Working really hard isn't enough to get you out of poverty in pretty much 99 percent of all cases.

I'm liberal as fuck, but sage for Michael Moore.

>>5488618
What do you know, paying people to be poor keeps them poor.

>>5488630
I got a job at mcdonalds and used that money to go to college so I could get a better job.

All the other poor people could easily do the same.

>>5488589
Oh, right. So the whole point of non free health care was to avoid socialism. Why? Because them socialists have no freedom, their life is plain work.

But in order to afford staying healthy, assuming you're not too privileged, you have to first work enough to pay yourself for higher education, then continue working so you can continue that education, and after that, of course, you continue working. Of course, you're already around 30 years old by that time, and your life has been pretty much work, but hey, now you can finally afford some mo'fuggin healthcare! Fuck those commie bastards, you showed them what a free life looks like!

>>5488631

why, because he's like the Glenn Beck of the liberals?

Both pander to people's emotions, and provide a one sided view, the only difference is most of Moores points can be backed up with facts.

When Moore released Farenheight 911 he put out a supplementary book that documented all his references and sources. I thought that was a pretty big fuck you to all the people who said he was a shill.

>>5488630
Uhh After highschool I worked for 2 years before going to college. I paid for it with my own money since my parents couldn't afford it, and I sure as hell wasn't going to put myself into debt with government loans.

Theres no reason why atleast some of those 99% couldn't do the same.

>>5488652
>But in order to afford staying healthy,
staying healthy is a lot cheaper than not.
Healthy food cost less than unhealthy food, not smoking cost less than smoking, etc
You don't have to go to a doctor every few days to stay healthy. And again if you pay up front going to a doctor is not expensive at all.
The only thing that is going to cost a lot is having kids, which you SHOULD be waiting until you've gotten an education and good job before doing.

>>5488652
What are you talking about? Even the fucking supermarkets offers a healthcare plan to fulltime employees.

>>5488645

Higher education is a personal responsibility.

Health care isn't

You can't predict illness, and if all of a sudden you get into an accident or get ill, why should you have to bear the financial burden?

That's just retarded. 100,000 to go to college is an investment in your future.

Having to pay 250,000 for a hospital bill is what? An equal investment? Huh?

That makes no sense. At all. The more you try to justify it, the less sense it actually makes.

>>5488652
You can work or you can keep being poor
If people don't want to work they can't whine about being poor

>>5488698
Oh. So it's the rich persons responsibility. Gotcha.

>>5488694

healthcare plans that deny your coverage when you get really sick, or cancel it because you have a "preexisting condition" aren't going to be very helpful, are they?

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>>5488698
>You can't predict illness, and if all of a sudden you get into an accident or get ill, why should you have to bear the financial burden?

Because it makes a lot less sense to make everyone else bear the financial burden.

You take care of yourself, I take care of myself, what about that does not make sense?

In civilized countries, health care is one of the basic human rights.

USA obviously doesn't belong to that group. But then again, they also have death penalty and most of them are religion. They have more in common with Iran than they do with the civilized world.

>>5488718

I seriously doubt you have 300,000 dollars lying around somewhere in case you get sick, or if your insurance won't cover you.

And if you do, have fun spending in on healthcare.

I live in Canada, so the mediocre taxes I pay for government services means I get to spend the 300000 dollars on whatever I want.

>>5488719
lrn2rights, fucktard.

>most of them are religion
indeed.

>>5488717
If people have a preexisting condition and can't get healthcare, they are less likely to have kids and pass on that preexisting condition.

Make your parents or whoever's fault it is you have that condition pay for it, not me.

Besides, insurance can't deny a preexisting condition if you are switching from another insurance, and before you get a job you're probably on your parents' plan anyway, unless you sat around doing nothing for a long time after turning 18 or finishing school.

>>5488678
In that documentary there was this guy, and he sawed off the tips of 2 of his fingers. I seem to recall the operation would cost him around 80,000$. Isn't that like a year's salary for business majors and shit? How the hell is someone supposed to have that kind of money? USA is the only country I can think of, that has people thinking about medical bills. In normal countries people make college funds, kids funds, house funds. But in USA, you get shot by some nigga, and as you're losing consciousness, you don't think if you'll live, you think how you'll have to sell your mother to pay for them patching you up. Awesome.

You bleeding heart socialist scumbags are fucking retarded. You want to know why we don't have commie pinko healthcare in fucking America? Because our health care system is the best.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Because right now the national debt is $11,842,007,145,002.26 and climbing, only a complete moron (read democrat) would think this is the right time for the government to now foot the bill for over 300 million people, (many of them being obese fucks like Michael Moore and no doubt OP).

It won't be "free healthcare" when the only way to pay for it is to tax the fuck out of everyone.

>>5488709

You're not rich, so I don't know what you are bitching about.

Oh wait, you're middle class, so you pick up the slack for all the taxes the poor don't pay, and the rich don't pay.

Gotcha.

I hope you know that if you've ever paid taxes in your life, more of it has gone to corporate welfare, then social welfare.

Some rich guy got a government grant for starting a business, and taxpayers paid for it. This happens all the time. But all the taxpayers are told to bitch at the poor people because they are the ones getting all the welfare.

>>5488719
Most of the serious offenders are repeat offenders. I have no problems with killing them. They are a waste of space on this planet and offer nothing to society.

>>5488757
Well perhaps he shouldn't have been an idiot and sawed off his fingers, huh? It's not like he needs his fingertips to live anyway.

>>5488769

Guess you shouldn't of invaded two countries and amassed a huge army.

Next time don't elect a retard.

>>5488769
But didn't you hear?! Obama said in his speech that he would make sure HIS health care reform (even though there is no health care bill with HIS name on it, in fact there are TWO competing reform bills) won't add a DIME to the national debt! HE WOULD NEVER LIE AND ANYONE WHO THINKS HE WOULD LIE IS A RACIST!

>>5488757
So you think everyone else should pay because some idiot cut off the tips of his 2 fingers?

>>5488654
> the only difference is most of Moores points can be backed up with facts.

Someone obviously didn't see 'Roger and Me' (he interviewed Roger Smith 3 times), 'Bowling for Columbine' (guy used CGI effects to make two speeches look like the same one) or pretty much any of his movies, dudes full of shit.

>>5488738
Why don't you calculate how much you're going to pay in taxes your whole working career. I'll calculate how much I'm going to pay going to the doctor. I'm sure it will be much less.

There is no illness that is going to cost 300,000
And if I somehow magically get sick in a way that does, I'm not going to expect other people to pay it for me.

>>5488801

>I'm never going to be in an accident ever, because I can predict the future.

>>5488794

Free Health Care will cost more than the both of them exponentially.

Too late about electing a moron, better try again in 2012.

>>5488826
Fact: most of the health issues are brought on by the individual through stupid choices they have made. If you want free healthcare for everyone, atleast get rid of the retards first. I don't want to be paying for them.

>>5488815

Wow, you're an idiot. Open heart surgery costs exactly that, and heart disease is the number one illness in your country.

And the one most likely to be denied coverage because of "pre-existing conditions."

I hope you have lots of cash dude, or you can call 1-800-Doctorb

The B is for bargain! Any operation for $129.95!

Also, Cancer.

Fuck, "no health care problem can cost that much". Are you fucking serious?

Jesus titty fucking christ.

>>5488801
If you think you're getting a better deal by paying your own medical bills than you would with UHC, you're fucking retarded and there is no hope for you. Of course, I'm sure your jew country would find a way to profit off your stupid asses even with UHC, but I was referring to an actual country.

>>5488842

thats funny, because "facts" are usually backed up why statistics.

Rainbows are not proof of God, and your misguided opinion is not proof of anything.

>>5488870
YOU GET A HUGE DISCOUNT IF YOU HAVE NO INSURANCE AND PAY UP FRONT.

Maybe they charge insurance 300,000 but they would not charge me that

Besides I take care of myself, and will not get heart disease

>>5488903

dear god. he's serious. HE CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE

>>5488870
More than half of heart disease is caused by the individual being overweight and not taking care of themselves. That's a fact. Smoking kills even more people than overweight-related heart disease. I refuse to pay for these retards.

>>5488884
It costs me $15 to go to the doctor (I pay up front, no insurance)

If more than $15 per year of my taxes would go towards UHC, it would cost me more

>>5488870

Can't you see what a non-sustaining model it is, footing the bill for people that will never contribute to society?

Health Insurance works just fine as it is, get a good job, contribute and we'll do what we can when you get sick.

Live in a trailer your whole life, squeeze out 10 kids and when you get cancer, you're no longer a burden to the state.

>>5488929
Yuh uh. And the rest is genetic disposition.

>>5488896
Uh, that is not misguided in the least.

OP here.

Well, thats all folks. The argument against private health insurance has shifted from personal responsibility to now being able to predict the future.

Thanks for participating, you've been a lovely crowd. Good night and God bless.

/thread.

>>5488896
Go look up the causes of death in America, then look up the causes of preventable deaths in America.

>>5488933
You don't understand the concept of insurances, do you?

>>5488945

Congratulations OP, the Democrats are the assholes now.

Soon it will be the cool and controversial thing to be a republican, because the cool thing to do is what's opposite of the mainstream, until it becomes the mainstream.

You're just participating in an endless cycle, it's your turn now, but it won't last.

>>5488942
Alright. So? Know what else we're all genetically predisposition-ed to? Dying. It's not really my problem if someone has a genetic predisposition to heart disease. Either they get insurance and pay for it, or have savings, or start begging.

>>5488702
>>5488675
>>5488645

You assume everyone is in the same situation as you. If you got sick (very sick) halfway through your heroic saga of rags to riches, what would you do? If you got a girl pregnant, what would you do? If your parents died and you had to look after your family, what would you do? You can't always ELBOW GREASE your way into success, sometimes life bends you over a gives you a good old reaming. The whole point of society is to iron out those inequities (I'm sure you don't mind that a fit 20-something is "fighting for your freedom" instead of leaving your grandmother to fend for herself). Think about it this way: which would be a greater tragedy - for someone with the same aspirations and work ethic as you to get their ass knocked down, or to have to pay a millionth of a cent extra tax to support Shaneqa the Welfare Queen?

Point of the matter is, if you really believed in ELBOW GREASE BOOT STRAPS, you would support socialised healthcare. Slackers aren't going to suddenly find themselves able to slack harder with free healthcare. But BOOT STRAPPERS are exactly the people that will benefit most from socialised healthcare - the security net will be all the nudge a lot of them need (as opposed to being dragged back down into the ghetto by an unfortunate act of life).

>>5489004
Causes of aging are still debated.

>>5489004

You're an asshole.

"Poor people deserve to be sick! Who care if it's congenital?"

>>5489004
>predisposition-ed

>>5488979 republiblox
Damn, you got me there.

>>Micheal Moore
>>Good Source of information.

Very funny, OP!

>or to have to pay a millionth of a cent extra tax to support Shaneqa the Welfare Queen?

Aren't you the one that said you should back up your claims with statistics, you and I both know you pulled that number straight out of your ass. Because there are millions of Shaneqa's out there.

> Slackers aren't going to suddenly find themselves able to slack harder with free healthcare.

Shaneqa wouldn't think twice about squeezing out another kid for a larger welfare cheque, considering now she won't have to pay for her hospital visit when she does squeeze it out.

>>5489008
> If you got sick (very sick) halfway through your heroic saga of rags to riches, what would you do?

I'd try to get help any way possible. Go to charities, ask doctors if they are willing to help me, see if any family members are able to help out. One thing that I would NOT expect is to forcibly use other peoples money to make me better. That's fucking selfish to force other people to do that.

>If you got a girl pregnant, what would you do?

Kick myself for not wearing a condom? How the FUCK is this anyone Else's fault but my own?

>If your parents died and you had to look after your family, what would you do?

Look for any extended family that we could live with for the time being. If theres nobody, and the rest of my family is too young to work, then we go into a foster home and continue our lives from there. Whoopty fucking doo.

>>5489044
Oh lawdy, not a typo!! His argument is now invalid!

I'll just say this:

I am currently studying in Finland to become a nurse, and we have a class called 'health and social -care system" which we spend mostly laughing at you americans. That is all.

>>5489073

>>If your parents died and you had to look after your family, what would you do?

Join the fucking military, problem solved, man the fuck up.

>>5489073
>Go to charities, ask doctors if they are willing to help me, see if any family members are able to help out.

that doesnt work, congrats you are now dead

>>5489095

That's ironic, here in America we also mock people from Finland......for living in Finland.

>>5489026
I never said they deserve to be sick. I just don't think people should be forced to help them with the public healthcare option, because most of the money will be going towards idiots who couldn't look after themselves, and ruin it for the people born with it.

>>5489114
>that doesnt work, congrats you are now dead

Problem solved

I went to the emergency room last night at 10:00 PM because a senior relative had been given a low blood pressure reading. She was fine, and was sure that the reading was wrong, but the assholes at the hospital insisted on taking it about a billion fucking times over the course of half a day. After about 4 hours (2:00 AM), we're down to maybe 5 other people in the e-room where there once was 30. We finally saw a fucking doctor at 6:00 AM. They just continue monitoring her blood pressure for the next 2 hours (STILL NO CHANGE? WELL SHIT REALLY?!?) before I can finally go home, because they want to keep her there. Jesus fucking christ.

>>5489126
not sure you understand what the word "solved" means

>>5488719
A truer truth has never been spoken.

America racially profiles muslims and taps phone lines illegally, but most citizens don't care because it's not their problem.
America exploits the immigrant worker, doesn't offer legitimacy as citizens, and then condemns them for not being legal, but most citizens don't care because it's not their problem.
America has a weak justice system that still finds it acceptable to execute people, but most citizens don't care because it's not their problem.
America has a failing health care system that demands the most money for the least service, and lets the have-nots fall through the cracks, but most citizens don't care because it's not their problem.

Complacency breeds apathy, but when everything goes to shit, the government won't be able to take the people seriously anymore.

>>5489114
Congrats for not reading any other options I wrote, or thinking of the many other options there are that I didn't write. If by some chance, I couldn't get any help from anyone, then yes, I die some years before I would eventually die anyway. So? People die. Get used to it.

>>5489157
Sorry I didn't see that you listed the other options, I take back where I said "Congrats for not reading any other options I wrote"

>>5489157
>People die. Get used to it.

you're making yourself look like a sheltered 16 year old bro

>>5489149

I'll take up arms against this state the second I have to pay to sew up your bleeding fucking heart.

to whoever the right-wing comedian is, wow I didn't know you guys were funny.

Ok, thats 2 people Ive seen bitch that people are still executed in the states. Can anyone tell me whats wrong with this? If they are being executed, they are obviously scum and have committed a horrible crime. I'd rather see them leave this earth than waste jail cell space.

>>5489072
>>5489073
>Aren't you the one that said you should back up your claims with statistics
No, that was the first I've posted ITT.

>Kick myself for not wearing a condom?
Those things don't work 100% of the time, broham.

>One thing that I would NOT expect is to forcibly use other peoples money to make me better.
Is this really different from public roads, public defence force, public education, public mail or public anything else? Everyone doesn't use every road - some people use the road very rarely, some people use the road every day. Some people don't have kids, some people have dozens. Some people don't send mail, some people send shitloads of mail. How is this different?

>then we go into a foster home and continue our lives from there
Are you confident you could take this setback in your stride? Remember, you only have a limited window for success - there are certain points in your life where if you haven't accomplished something by then, you never will. If you don't own your own house by ~35 and are stuck in the rent loop, you'll probably never own your own step.

>Shaneqa wouldn't think twice about squeezing out another kid for a larger welfare cheque
And you know for certain Shaneqa's new kid is going to be a parasitic leech like her, and not a BOOTSTRAPPER like you? Didn't you say you came from a poorfag family? And you're right, I don't have figures on how many Shaneqas there are. But I don't care, because I wouldn't deny even one genuinely needy person if it meant giving to a hundred Shaneqas. Perhaps that is a fundamental difference between us?

>>5489184

I hope that you're sincere. Enjoy your catastrophic failure.

>>5489184

So you agree with all that stuff that he posted? Bleeding heart is such a meaninglessly loaded phrase its ridiculous, do you mean moral standards? I dont see anything pathetic about having scruples you fucking caveman.

>>5489211

You're the UCLA faggot, good luck in the real world.

>>5489176
Sheltered? Yes, I live in a home. 16? 29. Realize that everyone dies eventually, and that's just life? Yes. Like I said, if I was dying I'd try everything to make sure I live. But forcing other people to pay for my illness? Absolutely not. If by some chance, nothing works, then I die. The world moves on.

>>5489211
>Those things don't work 100% of the time, broham.

Ok? The point was it was nobodies fault but my own for knocking her up. You really want to force people to pay for my fuckup?

>>5489197
>Implying the justice system never makes mistakes
>Polarising and stereotyping people in to "good" and "scum"

If you haven't already, I suggest you see 12 Angry Men (it's not liberal propaganda or preachy bullshit anything like that, it's a play).

>>5489212

> Enjoy your catastrophic failure.

You know what's catastrophic fail? The democrats control a majority and are still unable to pass any of their bills.

Can we still blame Bush?

>>5489197
Yes, because the criminal justice system never makes any mistakes. Ever.

I'm not saying I refute that the current prison system is unable to reform some of the people in the system. But capital punishment? Really? Are we barbarians?
Also, the determination of life w/o parole vs. death penalty is far too ambiguous. That's what bothers me most, I think. Deciding who is put to death may depend on how the judge is feeling that day, or in what state of the union the person committed the crime. The system is not explicit enough to leave people's lives on the line.