too bad he apologized. would have been god-tier awesome if he'd said "I'll apologize when he apologizes for lying."

Another proud representative of Dumbfuckistan.

Apparently a lot of congressmen are calling for some serious punishment. I've also read this has done some serious damage to the image of the GOP (well, what was left of it).

It would have been funnier had it not had so many drawbacks.

I want to move into his district so I can vote for him. I would respect politicians if they actually had balls like this guy. Shit was awesome.

too bad he was factually wrong? its not godlike to call someone out on something not true...

hypothetical

President: We are going to give some money to national parks to create fire prevention methods.

Congressman: YOURE GOING TO RAPE MY CHILDREN

Republican citizen: He is so courageous for speaking out like that.

>>5407780
there's actually a statute that says congressmen can be punished for accusing the president of lying. Pelosi's already said she won't push it. and no, this didn't damage the GOP. haven't you noticed all the conservatives going FUCK YEAAAARRRRRR?

Obama did lie a lot.

>>5407801
What kind of bullshit law is that?

Hey, the democrats are the ones that have such a hard-on for the way Europeans do things. And isn't this how it works in parliament? MP's calling out the Prime Minister on his bullshit?

>>5407744
lol americunts
as d

>>5407802
prove it

>>5407801
it further casts the independents as further away from them. independents are all that matters in elections because party affiliated people tend to always vote for their party no matter what

Actually no. Would've been better if he'd said something along the lines of "WELL THAT'S LIKE, JUST YOUR OPINION" or started yelling in exaggerated Engrish.

As it stands now, if you include the apology, it's just meh. Also, he planned it in advance so it wasn't even randumxDxD.

The "balls", as you say, comes from a politician in a room full of politicians singling only one of them out and referring to only him as a "liar".

Pot, kettle, black, glass houses, stones, and so on.

It was funny when that guy threw a shoe at Bush and it was funny when Wilson yelled last night. Both were hilarious, and both were inappropriate, but at the end of the day is it really that big of a deal? If you guys have such a hard on for Obama, then why don't you promote his health care bill that won't resemble anything like the single payer system of Canada and the UK like he would want you to instead of moaning about something that has absolutely no meaningful consequence.

>>5407816
I wouldn't have minded if he had been right in calling the president out, but what he called him out on, the president was 100% truthful about. You can read it in both the presidents bill and congress' bill

he is a retard so i will not act like what he did was cool. it would have been cool if the president was lying and he said that, then he would have my respect

>>5407780

>Implying the GOP had a reputation left to tarnish

Dohohohoho

>>5407862
Wilson just yelled it out at the wrong part of the speech.

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002129/

>>5407880
As I said, if he had yelled it at a lie, he would be cool, but he didn't so hes a faggot.

>>5407780
>I've also read this has done some serious damage to the image of the GOP
>implying that the mindless raging zombies that comprise the modern GOP are aware of the fact that US Senators aren't supposed to act like whiny teens

Moot should filter ">implying"

>>5407757
Agreed. I think it was pretty badass what he did. Honestly Americans need more of this in their politics.

But then he squandered it. That idiot...

I don't believe for a second that most democrats/liberals actually care. They just want another excuse to bash the GOP or don't like that someone interrupted Obama.

troll receives a -76 / 10
for announcing that he was trolling then stating something so ridiculous it could only be troll.

What did he say on twitter that's leading people to believe it was premeditated?

>>5407973
You are not an intelligent person.

blooooooooocking

LOL yeah, and if someone had done this when the Bush was speaking you'd never hear the end of it, "no respect for the office of the president", "they behave like animals", "its a serious meeting not an argument in a high school".

Dont get me wrong, I think both parties are fucking stupid, its just interesting to see what people do when the shoe's on the other foot

LOL at the people saying Wilson "compromised" the GOP's image ITT. You do realize that he just verbalized what 2/3 of America is thinking right now? They know that regardless of what language is put in the bill right now, it's just a wedge to open up the rest of the healthcare market. All Obama wants to do is get a foot in the door for the rest of his plan; to that end, the current bill doesn't really matter to him as long as SOMETHING gets passed. Then he can legislate at will once congress's will has been broken. Or so he thinks.

TL;DR: Wilson called the Democrats on their bullshit, and most people agreed, even if they aren't willing to admit it in public.

>>5408018
Works the other way too. Liberals would be cheering it on.

I wish you fags were more focused on facts, not how cool it was, or how rude it was, or any of this gay shit.

What this guy did was glorious, just glorious. He became the guy, essentially, that a lot of Americans watching the speech wanted to be. To be there and to call out the President, to his face, his lie. It's as if the Town Halls were simply the rising action, and this was the climax - the moment. Joe Wilson is the protester, the guy just sick and tired of the bullshit, he couldn't take it anymore. He shouldn't have backpedaled so quickly.

>>5407780
>Apparently a lot of congressmen are calling for some serious punishment.

"Stretch" Pelosi talked about how, even though measures are in place to punish him, they're not going to do anything because it would be pointless and distracting. [This was paraphrased from a clip of her press conference]

>I've also read this has done some serious damage to the image of the GOP (well, what was left of it).

Only to the people who already hated the GOP and every member and every thing they did. The up-swell of support of this guy, though, is just amazing.

What's that? His opponent raised some money overnight because of the controversy? Bitch please, he'll be plugging his campaign site on every single conservative radio and television show for the next week. He's the talk of every site/group/person who opposes the President's agenda. I wouldn't be surprised if he increases his coffer by multiples, while his opponent stays behind.

Sorry progressives, but Joe Miller is no serious challenger to Joe Wilson. At a time where *incumbent* Blue Dog seats are severely vulnerable, the voters of Wilson's district won't unseat a him for an unspectacular phony moderate.

Illegals will find ways to get the healthcare benefits some way or another, so Wilson is correct.

>>5408050
Oh, absolutely. See how both parties and their adherents are garbage?

>>5408046
>ignoring the democratic majority and democratic president suggesting that most people in fact agree with democrats, plus that 2/3 thing is bullshit.

I salute this man. He's effectively showing that obama hasn't earned the respect other presidents can command. At this point, the demotards will only lose credibility and faith of the American people who are already realizing he's not a legitimate president.

>>5408059
Alright, who let the retard out again?

>>5408051
http://factcheck.org/2009/09/obamas-health-care-speech/

>>5408059
omg you just trolled the fuck out of me

im raging out of my eyes

trollin

trollin

trollin on the river

Liberals are just butthurt because Wilson pierced Obama's Reality Distortion Field for a brief instant. Wait a few months when this healtcare bill fails and everyone sees how right Wilson was.

>>5408104

I'm literally fapping to this post right now. So much win.

>>5408089
no attempt to defend=grudging acknowledgment of loss
>>5408081
They don't. When Obama can't even get his own party in line for a simple majority, then you know you're screwed. Especially on an issue this large.

I salute Joe Wilson because he's doing his part to make civilized, sane people become more and more disgusted and creeped out by the GOP. I am sad he apologized, he should have gone on the news and spewed some crazy bullshit about giving healthcare to illegal immigrants.

It's just disturbing to think that people like him were calling the shots for 8 years previously.

Tripfags = trolls. No exception. Try not to be so obvious next time, attention whores.

Wilson should have just waited until the end of the speech.

Sure is Republitard samefag round here!

>>5408128
The same civilized, sane people that voted for the party of Van Jones, Jon Holdren, Sotomayor, Hilda Solis, and every other tax cheat, Chicago thug or loony that has wormed their way into American government? They are an ever-shrinking minority, my friend. Perhaps 2010 will be the wake-up the Democrats need to keep their party from disintegrating.

I would have gotten fired if I did that at a meeting for my job, I don't see why he should get any better treatment.

SHO-RYUMOOT-BLOX!!!

ATTENTION.

He didn't call Obama out on the ACTUAL lies of the bill ("it will save us money!"). He called him out on the illegal immigrants.

What a fucking waste. If he was gonna do it, he should have done it at the right time.

>>5408200
All jobs are the same!

>>5408224

I don't know much, but I was under the impression that uninsured people + medicare and medicaid being shitty programs would end up costing us more.

Could you please elaborate on how the status quo would be better?

Wilson should have called Obama out at the "I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits" part.

>>5408174
The Democrats keeping their party from disintegrating? You've got one bad case of self-delusion, don't you?

>>5408247

I'm sorry if I came off as a know-it-all, but I do think it silly to claim the reform will not only not increase the deficit 'by a dime' but manage to save money.
It's the right thing to do, but it's going to cost the US money. That's what I meant.

Please feel free to correct me bro.

>>5408250

thats just how big of a douchebag he is. instead calling out an actual lie he just screamed about the wetbacks. honest to god.

>>5408250
> Obama isn't lying, he is simply stating something which can neither be proven or disproven at the current time. Since there have been no projected models on the current proposals impact in comparison with projected model of the current budget, it can not yet be said what is true or not.

>>5408174

Democrats aren't the ones disintegrating buddy, although they are certainly inept and spineless as they always are. Every damn politician is a tax cheat, and as for loonies, most of the loonies nowadays are all from the far right, sorry.

About the only 'loony left' politician thing I can remember in any recent history is Van Jones signing that 9/11 truth shit, which I do think was enough for me to want him to resign.

Has anyone listened to Al Franken's speeches yet, or his town hall meetings?

That dude isn't as shitty as I thought he would be. He is actually damn good. I thought he was just going to be a gimmick.

Oh well, kind of off topic

>>5408311

I'm not surprised. I used to think politicians must have some kind of knowledge or understanding of things to get to the position they are in, but after hearing stuff from a lot of them, esp. candid stuff, I do not think they are any more intelligent than the average person - some of the comments from conservative congressmen I've heard in the past are just plain stupid.

I think basically they get where they are due to connections and a certain amount of social and deceptive skill.

>>5408344
You know what is sad. There is not one scientist in Congress. Almost everyone is a lawyer or CEO.

We could really use more objective fact and statistic based decisions in our government.

>>5408394

That is sad.

I always thought a good way to control quality of politicians would be to set up mock elections in which people had to expend a lot of money and energy running. Once you gathered up all candidates, perhaps put aside a few who genuinely want to help others if there was some way to gauge that, then kill all remaining candidates.

Basically I think 99% of people who voluntarily go after power are not people you want with any power. So basically, if somebody's running for office, that's probably the best sign that you don't want them in office.

After we did this we could convince scientists and humanitarian type people to assume power if they didn't volunteer themselves first.

hold it right there Mr. President!

>>5408471

HHGTTG?

Even if the bill clearly said no payment for illegals it doesn't mean that will hold true in the future. If Americans eventually move to a European version of health care illegals will indeed be treated. In the UK it's a big problem, some call it 'health tourism'.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/may/14/nhs.society

>>5408553

You are correct. Obama should have looked into the crystal ball, seen what is going to be in 30 years, and commented on that, not what IS in the current bill.

>>5408553
So what would you have congress do? All they can do is write a bill and make it law, so all they can do is have it in the bill that illegals cannot get insurance, which is what they have done. Worrying about future possible changes is silly, fight them when they come, otherwise nothing will ever change.

>>5408553
That's not exactly up to the government when they're crafting laws, now is it? They put provisions in requiring US citizenship. If motherfuckers get around those provisions somehow, they've "gamed the system". That's beyond Obama's control or anybody else in the gov't. The most they can do is try to find people who do that and charge them for fraud.

Joe Wilson is cool
He spoke his mind to the prez
Nothing wrong with that

>>5408394
First of all, haven't you ever heard of the phrase "political science"?

Secondly, government is a social construct. I don't see why a scientist would want anything to do with the kinds of managerial responsibilities in governance. Plus, in a government as large as America's, studying law seems like the wisest choice before moving into politics -- the mechanics and history of the past and present decisions that have guided our country.

And plus, that's what counsel is for.

>>5408661
Joe Wilson is an annoying faggot
He insulted the most important man in the US government while he was in the middle of an important and controversial speech
What an annoying faggot

ITT what is wrong with America today

Also, I don't care what's in the health package and hope it gets passed.

>>5408662
Have you taken a poli sci class? One of the first things they always lament is that almost no congressmen are political scientists, if any.

A scientist would approach things systematically, not clouded by weird ideals. He would weigh statistics and choose the best option based on the most rational hypothesis with the most backing.

I think it would be better to have scientists in charge with lawyers in counsel

>>5408577
>>5408610
>>5408616
i'm a full fledged obama knobslobber, but you guys might be off. You should check out some politifact. The dems could add an amendment that allows the same waste/fraud agency that polices medicare/medicaid to cover the new healthcare policy as well. Now maybe Obama is in favor of this, but the dems in the House (?) voted it down at least once.

>>5408684

That is not haiku
It goes like "five, seven, five"
You will get there bro

>>5408728
I agree with you, but I can see where the ideals come into play, as politicians are representatives of the people, and people have ideals that they want to see reflected in office. Whether or not that is a good policy, well that's a good question. Can there really be a government without ideals? That seems like a contradiction.

>>5408751
I can see why. Not only is that some serious big brother shit, but I see it as an unnecessary step in between a patient and care when there's already a repercussion in place. Isn't that what we're trying to avoid, the long lines and no care due to bureaucratic complications?

>>5408394
Guess what. Scientists don't have what it takes to get into office and never will. Getting elected takes one thing and one thing only, Charisma. You got that and you win, simple as that. Obama didn't even have many big backers, He just dripped charm and got so many people to send him small donations that he made other candidates donations like like anthills. If the smartest and best equipped to serve got ahead it would have been Dennis Kucinich Vs Ron Paul (And before you say lolronpaul look at everyone else on the R side and honestly tell me there was someone who put his country first more than him, even if he is bat-shit crazy)

The ONLY scientist who could ever get elected is Bill Nye, because we are all pre-programed to chant his name.

>>5408756
oh shit, my bad dog. i didn't even realize.


...he's still a faggot.

>>5407744

Attention: Joe Wilson is a fucking idiot.

now GTFO you inbred hillbilly piece of shit.

that is all.

<--- This guy has bigger balls.