..cont


I find it unsettling that schools are allowed to have yearbooks which have things like "Best eyes", or "Most artistic". They shouldn't be allowed to have contests based on someone's biological features in a public school. A modeling contest is one thing, but there shouldn't be this sort of social ranking in a facility for education. The artistic one is really dumb too. Let's just have some common sense here... Does anyone really think the super artistic kids will be going to school every day? It's the "least bad artist who mindlessly does what they're told" award. Only they lie about the name.

They really need to revamp the education system if they're going to require it. They shouldn't allow picking of favorites, and labeling of children who don't even know what they want from life. It's fine to do those sort of things in an community which involvement is voluntary... but all of this shit is required by law.

Fucked up, right?

BLAH BLAH BLAH

I WASN'T THE MOST POPULAR GIRL IN SCHOOL WHY SHOULD OTHER PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT THEY HAVE

BLAH BLAH BLAH

That's how public schooling works in the U.S.

That's how it will probably always work.

And while you're at it, throw in some shit about standardized tests.

It's bullshit, but we all go through it.

dook dook dook

T-T-T-T-Troooollllllllling up in this bitch.

>>5311921
If it's bullshit, don't you think we should try to find a better way of doing things?

life sucks kiddo

get over it

>>5311941
I used to think that apprenticeship should be brought back into play.

But it'd never work.

thres nothing you can do

you could spend your life advocating it, and mayyybe some good will come out of it

"All it shows is how willing someone is to become a mindless drone and do what they're told."

Exactly. It shows dedication to the task at hand. High grades have very little to do with intelligence, and a lot to do with the ability to put up with bullshit and a hellish environment and still soldier on. This is valuable to an employer; next to nothing else is. Thus, your grades are a decent measure of your worth as an employee.

>>5311921
Yes, your American schooling system is quite primitive and has been irrelevant for the past century. But hey, it works, I mean look at the thought process in these golden posts:
>>5311936

>>5311943
>>5311919

I agree with you.

but then again, without competition there's no drive for progress.

>>5311950
It'd never work if people's focus was just how much money they'd make... but if their focus were doing what they were good at or enjoyed doing... then it would. Why can't people just stop being greedy motherfuckers?

>>5311951
I doubt there's much I could do as a single person in my lifetime... But like you said, I think if I talk about how fucked up it is openly enough, other people might agree, and they might talk about it too. Eventually people will talk about it enough in large enough numbers that they'll be able to have a real impact and break down the castle of bullshit.

>>5311950
I had a history teacher who was actually a pretty cool guy. He would really express the idea that college really isn't for everybody, and if you're a shitty student now, you could end up it a fuckton of unneeded debt. He pushed the idea of vocational schools a lot when we had time to just shoot the shit with him in between lessons.

Like a day after I "officially" dropped out, I got a phonecall from him and he sincerely tried to help me get on path with that shit, but I already had a job lined up. Really fucking decent guy.

But yeah, I feel you on that. As much as people would get up and pissy over a program like that, just taking shitty students aside and pushing them into vocational education, it would help the student more in the end.

In life people are judged on their merits, demerits and status.

This is how life works so might as well get the little nudgers prepared for a life of endless judging, manipulation, labeling, etc.

Formal education in general is made of fail.

Unless you're actively participating in your field of study, it's pointless.

You don't see kids coming out of AP Spanish that know how to really speak the language, so they're not actually learning it.

My GPA is 3.9, and I'm a better person than the OP.

>>5312026
Speaking a language is the hardest aspect of the language. Reading writing and listening is what most public schools focus on in their studies.

>>5312036

My GPA is a 3.98, I am better than both you and OP

I've known that I've wanted to work on animated cartoons for most of my life. Since I was like 3 or 4. I hated being told that math class was more important for me than drawing.

Do you really think math class is going to be important for someone who's going to be paid a low salary due to their career choice? I'm not going into buisness. I just wanna make some damn cartoons to make children smile.

Public school took up a lot of time I could have spent working on art for the past decade.

>>5312090
Yeah, but we're not raising a nation of cartoonists, so shut up and color.

>>5311907
I see it all as preparation for college. Any class that I have taken in college worth a damn gave a grade based on how well I did, not just based on 90s and 75s or whatever.

If you don't intend to go to college, you at least have an educated foundation. Some basics of math, english, etc. Not like grades matter if you try and get a job right out of high school.

>>5312090
Knowledge of mathematics, or even just skill in mental arithmetic, promotes logical thinking and general intelligence. It is important.

>>5311908
>They really need to revamp the education system

I agree with this only. Everything else is just trolling.


School is a glorified daycare center. Various other countries have more rigorous courses and there is no reason whatsoever that America couldn't do the same.

Someone made a joke (was it Ron White) that said "First you have the Jump Start Program* and then a few years later you have the No Child Left Behind program. SOMETHING went wrong during that time."
*I forgot what that program was called.


I also find it funny how I have never seen a school that doesn't have budget issues, but that's a story for another day.

>>5312129
OP here. I'd say it's me bitching, but not trolling. I meant everything that I said.

>>5312026
>>5312080
How about language classes in High School are fucking useless as hell, what's the ideal age range to learn a new language? < 13 years old. When do we start high school and foreign language? 14 years old, yet they expect us to give a shit and devote the immense amount of time to actually learn a new language, its bullshit. Even if a kid does well in their language class most of them forget shortly after high school because what do we speak in America? English, we learn in our other classes in English, talk to our friends and family in English, read in English and that's the language we speak. I don't care if America is going to be majority Hispanic in 2042, I will still be getting along fine with English. If they really gave a shit we would have started learning earlier. Me, I take French and its even more useless than Spanish living in America, but I'm interested in it. Are most students interested in it? No, its fucking useless.

our education system is extremely broken. Education is literally stuck in the 19th century.

For one, school is during the day. That doesn't make much sense to me. Why keep kids cooped up all day? School should be in the afternoon/evening. We having something called electricity that makes this possible.

schools should also be more local, like how it used to be - I'd have trailer - schools within walking distance of a child's house dotted around a county. and the trailer would be on donated land... and kids could do cool things like learn how to do all sorts of stuff not just sit and listen to a teachers opinion...

Considering Andrew Schlafly's homeschool "classes" is a legitimate alternative to state schooling in the liberal New Jersey, I think OP's point is moot.

rationalwiki.com/wiki/Andrew_Schlafly

>>5311907
that's why i dropped out at 16, bro.

get out before you waste any more of your life. i'd rather have less credibility

>>5312106
We're not raising a nation of University professors either.

Which is exactly what schools train children to be - university professors. What other profession could possibly use such an abundance of useless knowledge?

I say useless because they really are useless - there really is no point to further a person's education in all courses of study past the point in which they know what they want or love in life. There have been no poets created from English classes, no award-winning chemists created in Science classes. If a student loves and wants to do (subject of their choice), why does the school system continue to push seven different subjects on the individual, which all demand equal attention from them? The result is sapping any interest in the original subject the child had to begin with.

>>5312189
I wish I did that. But I'm already out of high school and taking some community college art courses now. I like those classes because I'm graded on my ability to do things that I'm good at vs things I can't stand doing.

>>5312167
Okay first: ONE YEAR? LOL WUT.

Second, language is not the only issue. I think that schools should focus on specialization of certain skills and fields rather than generalization of math, language, social studies, and science.

>>5312189
dropped out at 17 here. I knew I wasn't going to have the patience to go through college. I'm currently just holding down a delivery job, stashing money, and looking at vocational schools. all my friends spent, like, a year in CC and then just dropped out.

I seriously wish they would push trades hard as fuck in highschool.

>>5312197
Your post made me smile. I'm glad to see there's people out there who value passion over ability to commit yourself to becoming a jack of all trades when the trades are ones you hate.

>>5312120
What a striking and compelling argument. Math is useless beyond Pre-Algebra/Algebra. All that Calculus 3 and AP Statistics bullshit will be used by less than 5% of the general population (yeah I pulled that stat out of my ass but I think its generous). Just when the hell am I ever going to need to graph a parabola and use Cramer's rule to get by in life? Never, unless I'm an astronaut or physicist or some other obscure asshole. The only thing you need is basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, everything else is pointless. All math involves is number manipulation, that's it. There's nothing to study about it, not depth. Just putting numbers in different places, who gives a shit. Fuck math.

>>5312197
A child will never understand the beauty of SCIENCE and math if you don't force them to learn enough of it. Same thing with lesser pursuits like poetry and art. School makes scientists and artists that would otherwise not exist.

ITT whiny faggots

if you don't want formal education, why don't you go travel to a ghetto in south america and have your kids grow up there

>>5312211
What do you mean by one year? Our HS requires at least 3 years of one language or 2 years of two languages.

(9th-10th I took Spanish, 11th-12th French)

all of you anti-school faggots make me rage

how are we supposed to have a functional democracy without education? HOW?

you really think most people would be better off without being forced to learn a few very basic, necessary things for functioning in society?

god damn I hope you're all trolls

>>5312247
As if they have good art classes in most public schools?

They really don't.

>>5312258
Education isn't bad. People just shouldn't be forced to be educated in things that don't apply to them.

It's not like there isn't a huge amount of people who don't need to know a great amount of what's taught in public schools.

>>5312270
They're a lot better than nothing. Art isn't as important and doesn't require the push that SCIENCE does but the payoff and beauty of SCIENCE is much higher for the individual and society.

I cant agree more with you there, op
we'd rather do something FUN

>>5312255
I was simply laughing at how he believes the optimal age to learn a new language is thirteen, and by being 14 when you start learning a language you fuck up or something.

School should be giving you the tools to succeed in what you love doing. Instead it's a series of hurdles to jump over before getting to focus on your real life.

schools should be a labratory of failure. where students are pushed to the point of failure. it is only through failure that one truely changes their behavior and improves themself.

We are in a society where school does not allow children to fail, and so they coast through school not truey being challenged and with their destructive habits intact. What works for school does not work in real life, unless you live in a socialist country, that is...

In school it's ok to fail, as long as you are trying and do not give up. in the real world failure is harder to cope with because real life factors. That is why students should be pushed to the brink of their abilities in school, because it is a controlled environment.

>>5311907
Seriously, in the real world no one gives a fuck what grades you made before college. I was a typical smart lazy kid who did really well elementary-middle school and gradually dropped to mediocrity in high school. Got my act together in college... and no one gives a fuck.
No one gives a fuck what your GPA was, it does not determine your "worth" besides getting into certain colleges besides others, these days anyone can get into SOME college.
You're right, GPA doesn't determine worth. I've been in a variety of jobs and countless interviews, not one of them asked my SAT or GPA. Attitude and people skills are of waaaay more importance.
On the political subject of mandatory education, I think at least the government should use vouchers so that parents can choose to send their kids to private schools with their own damn tax money. But yeah, education through 18yrs (when the brat's no longer a minor) should be mandatory.

>>5312232
Nah, you're about right. For all the shit you have to go through for a "highschool education," you could just get a GED with the knowledge you would have with 2 years in high school taking core classes. Granted, you wouldn't have as great as a shot at college, but for those of us without the desire to go, that's all we needed.

The amount of people I've seen just go through the 4 years of high school and then either fuck up and drop out of university with heavy debts, or do the 1 year of CC and drop out is crazy. It's definitely much greater than the # of people who have actually stuck with college and all that shit. Pretty much three years they spent doing jack shit with nothing to their names. If they were working, they were doing part-time jobs during that time, so it might as well have been 3 years you could've just worked a shitty entry-level job, at least they'd have some amount of money to their name.

I'm not even trying to come at it with the, "HURR DURR I DROPPED OUT I'M SMART AND SHIT" angle. Dropping out was one of the dumbest things I think I've ever done, but damn, some reform needs to be made. Give equal opportunity for the first few years, push whatever crazy ass math classes you *think* people need. After that period, save the fucking kids struggling, pull them aside, get them interested in a trade.

>>5312283
Yeah. It's great for people who want to become scientists.

I don't think everyone does want to be a scientist.

But... personally I never minded science class. It was at least interesting. Same with history. I hated having to be forced to read fictional literature and figure out hypothetical situations with math that didn't apply to me.

You might say history isn't very useful... but it's interesting. I was able to feel good after a history class. Unlike a math class, which just made me stressed and lowered my self esteem.

>>5312303
>private schools
>their own tax money
oh my. I do believe I'm raging, sir

>>5312197
You are so right, I've been in school for 12 years almost (HS Senior) and though 12 years isn't a long time, its more than half my life. But over these years, I've realized what I can and can't do. I love reading, writing, and History. I hate Math and hard sciences and anything involving numbers, Math has done nothing for me but make my life harder and I have not become a better person for having to take Math. I don't want to take it and I don't want to learn it. I want to learn history and read important literature. Why must they force me to do something that wrecks my GPA and causes stress if I DON'T FUCKING GAIN FROM IT. I already took the GQE (Graduation Qualifying Examination) which is administered to 10th grade students in Indiana and if we pass we graduate but you get 5 chances to take it. I passed on the first try, so why must I continue with Math? Shouldn't I be able to choose what I want to take now? Shouldn't I be able to opt out of Math? Give me AP European History, AP United States History, History of Islam/other religion, Military History, American and European Literature where I can analyze the characters and their situations. I don't want to manipulate numbers using a formula and then graphing the date, if that's interesting to you then keep at it, but me? Fuck Math. Let me learn what I want to learn.

>>5312332
feel free... why are monopolies in the business world bad but okay when the government controls the education of the next generation.
Competition makes every industry better, no exception.

>>5312303
That'd be awesome. Many parents see that their kids aren't cut out to be greedy buisness men and would love to send their children to an art-centric school, but simply can't afford it because they're forced to pay for them to go to greedy buisness man school.

>>5312296
I'm the same person as him and you're clearly a dumbass. Its not impossible for a 14+ year old person to learn a new language but it gets tremendously harder because your native tongue is hardwired into your brain. Its common knowledge that the younger you are the more able you are to adapt to a new language, so why don't they seriously teach the language in Elementary school when are brains are soaking up the language learning skill easier instead of AT THE FUCKING CUTOFF BETWEEN EASY AND DIFFICULT? It can't work well with the system we have.

Meh, I don't mind the system that much, but that's because I did very well and got into a great college.
Of course college isn't for anyone, and the fact that some people are forced to go increases their debt when they pursue less than stellar majors and don't perform very well.

>>5312368
or any other specific line of study for that matter

>>5312339
look buddy, I know you're not good at math. well guess what, a well rounded education is ESSENTIAL to a functioning country

what are you gonna do with all your fancy OPINIONS from taking ap european history and ap english literature? guess what- you're still a dorky little high school student and anything you learn is still being spoon fed to you.

is that valuable? sometimes. sometimes not.

in any case, quit whining. you sound like you're eight yelling "I DON'T WANNA GO TO SCHOOL MOMMY! WAAHHHHHHH"

>>5312350

private education would be so gaddamn cheap.

schools could sell their walls to advertisers, the youth demographic is coveted. Also with compeition and speculation the price of educational services would go down, while the quality would go up.

We need franchise schools, we need specialized schools, we need genuine contracts between parents and the schools that gaurentees a proper education, not the government stealing our money and then 'promising' to teach our kids.

and with private schools, wealth could be accumulated, like with harvards endownment fund (30 billion dollars), the way it is now, public schools just spend every penny they get and are always begging for more more more....

>>5312373
All right, just fuck off. Just because you turn 14 doesn't magically make you incapable of learning a new language.

>>5312373
only way to learn a new language is at home. the parents have to get invovled with language learning and learn it with them.

>>5312391
Why's it so wrong to leave math to the people who are good at it? Everyone has their own niche in the world.

We don't need to be superhuman jacks of all trades. We just need to do what we're good at.

>>5312376
College is for fucking morons and dipshit nancy boy liberals.
If you're not in trade school or working, you're worthless. College teaches nothing important.
Even community college is better, since it's cheaper, better education, more down to earth, and is in the real world.

>>5312391
Well you know what? It will still be well rounded because there will be kids who opt out of the classes that interest me and will take the math classes and it will work just fine with those choices you know why? Because the same fucking options happen with the work force. People pretty much have a choice and it's still balanced asshole. What are you going to do with your fancy FORMULAS that you will only use in the classroom? Not a goddamn thing.

>>5312411
And for you, pic related.

>>5312415
even these retards who graduate from high school without learning how to read a bar graph or a pie chart- even retards like you- need to be able to process basic mathematical information in order to make informed choices.

fuck. fuck this country is doomed to idiots

Schools are designed to extract all creativity from any bubbling young mind and leave them as an empty husk applying for cubicle jobs, an eternal employee under the great and powerful system.

You are born alive and ready to learn about the world from firsthand experience - touching and questioning and rollicking, and at a ripe young age the system swoops down, swats the fruit of life from your palms and tells you that you're not ready to experience the world yet - you need us to prepare you.

There you will spend days among months among years wasting away inside suffocating white-walled rooms and blank halls that resemble concentration camps, confined for hours each day and told to sit up straight, pay attention, don't run, don't wear this. And at the end of the day you are sent home with more work to remind you that the next day, you will still be the same slave you were before.

When you are finally released from the shackles of near on thirteen years of imprisonment, finally "ready" to experience the world, the wondrous curiosity that filled you as a child is gone - you no longer want to experience the world in all its fertility of opportunity, and resign to a dead-end office job for the rest of your life.

>>5312488
Keyword: Basic

Not Pre-Calculus, Calculus, Trigonometry, Statistics, or Physics.

>>5312488
Your children will be very unhappy people being raised by that cold heart of yours.

You can call those of us who put enjoying life over dominating the world idiots, but we'll just see you guys as total assholes who don't mind their own business.

>>5312506
>implying statistics isn't important for understanding things like poverty patterns, voting patterns, corruption, etc
>implying physics isn't important for understanding the basic principles that underlie science, and building an appreciation for it in a country where 60 percent of people believe in creationism
>implying precalculus isn't essential to understanding basic problems that every votes for such as INFLATION (polynomials) GLOBAL WARMING and CLIMATE DESTRUCTION (exponential growth) and FINANCE (variables)

>>5312506
Every single one of those is fucking basic. I mean, holy shit, seriously. People like you whine about the most basic classes that are necessary for any informed person. It's fuckers like you who oppose evolution, call health care bills death camps, and try to formulate opinions on subjects that you simply don't understand.

Well, that's not totally fair. I don't know if that applies to you personally, but a lack of basic education makes one ignorant, and people tend to still try to formulate opinions with no grasp on the fundamentals.
Honestly, you may get away with not knowing Calculus, but it is imperative for people to know statistics, definitely Physics, and likely Trig.

>>5312504

I graduated from high school in the top 10% of my state, I'm now studying science with a great interest in stem cell research - I want to be that motherfucker who kids are taught about in high school science class, the one who revolutionized regenerative medicine.

Go figure.

>>5312504
You're fucking right.

I'm going to move to a rural Alaskan village where everyone knows each other when I have children. My ladyfriend who wants to bare said children grew up in one, and I think it sounds like a good idea. I'd just gotta be sure to allow the kids to move out and experience the hard world for themselves if they want to. Can't let her be an overprotective helicopter.

The greatest minds of history never graduated college. The system rewards effort, not intelligence.

>>5312549
Goddammit I hate people like you. I'm talking about the average American, not someone who must calculate that once a year bullshit. The average joe or above average adam will never EVER use that shit in their DAILY lives. Same can be said about everything in school but you're arguing that post Algebra math is useful. Chock your throat on a cock.

>>5312528
>>5312504
where do you fucking hippies come from?

if everyone lived their lives according to your ideals we wouldn't have a civilization anymore.

because obviously teaching children math prevents them from enjoying life.

do you just want to smoke weed all day or something?

>>5312563
>>top 10% of my state

inb4 lives in Alaska

>>5312570
>I believe in what people in power tell me to believe in because I'm too stupid and lazy to get a basic education offered to me for free by the government. damn that government!

>>5312568

That's because back then, college and higher educational pursuits in general was this thing that only the academic elite bothered with. 99% of people just got a basic, basic education, then worked on a farm or in a town doing some menial job or a job that could be taught through trade (like blacksmithing) for the rest of their lives.

Now, however, in modern society, there are things like "Does this line of work interest you? Well guess what, here are the educational prerequisites that you must meet in order to get this job. Go study"

>>5312570
The average american is also an ignorant dipshit who would be a lot better off if he/she knew some basic fucking subjects.

Reading Riting Rithmatic is not basic knowledge. That should not be the standard to which we apply our children.

>>5312571
Teaching math to children who hate math isn't good.

There's a lot of children who actually like math.

Civilization doesn't mean making everyone exactly how you want them to be. Grow up and realize that the world isn't full of your ideal human being.

Smoking weed all day isn't very good for most people, so I wouldn't want to do it myself. I wouldn't prevent others who benefit from the opportunity to do so, though.

>>5312604

No, not Alaska, but my main point was that I performed quite well in school, and now I have high aspirations.

In effect, I was showing that the original person I quoted was incorrect.

>>5312570
>never use
underage b&

have you ever had a job more complicated than stocking groceries? do your parents still file your taxes for you?

school is awesome op you just were a nerd. Also homeschooling is for zealots and social retards

>>5312247
>I currently am blocking the moots
>A child will never understand the beauty of SCIENCE and math if you don't force them to learn enough of it
>force them to learn
>force

That's just it, bromosapien - schools are undoubtedly abhorred by the participants of that system; the mundane and stressful expectations placed on students makes them hate school.

What sort of "understanding of beauty" will become of a child stuck in a classroom with "beauty" being forcefed down their gullets, in an environment that strains their emotions past the breaking point?

The only understanding that will result from this method of teaching is automatic loathing of any subject that has forced its huge member inside the tender cavernous flesh of a brain that desires something entirely different to learn.

>>5312606
So we've changed from a society of natural intelligence to a society that forcibly breeds analytical minds because that's how we progress? No. Creative intelligence is dominant over analytical intelligence, history has shown us this. I don't believe the greatest change, the greatest advancements will stem from books.

>>5312637
do something every day and you'll learn to hate it.

a lot of hardworking, educated people would LOVE to do what you do all day, scratching their ass and browsing the internet. but they're too busy keeping society running

I'm pretty sure you hate how much time you spend sitting in your parent's basement, since that's what you do all day.

goddamned spoiled fucking americans

>>5312623
I see what you're saying. It's great that the school system could help you do something very helpful to a lot of people. But don't you think it'd be nice if it could help a lot of people do good things for even more people?

>>5312655
EXMAPLES PLS

I can't think of any. ;_;

>>5312632
Some people are homeschooled because of circumstance. For example, I was homeschooled because I had to move with my parents to New Orleans post-Katrina for my dad's job. All the private schools (where the non-niggers go) were either full up or out of service. If I was to go to the half broken public schools, all of my classmates would have been the scum who couldn't afford to leave New Orleans during the storm and I would have gotten a substandard education, because their school system is so fucked.

why do all of you people feel so goddamned entitled? why do you keep assuming the government owes you ANYTHING?

let me tell you something about school. this isn't a secret-

they don't want you to be a USELESS CUNT who will starve to death from their own ineptitude.

what? you can't hear that because you're still complaining? jesus christ

>>5312690
Why does the government owe me? Because I pay my taxes.

>>5312668

At the end of the day, I see it as just a massive motivational issue.

Drop-kick kids who have drop-kick parents will never UNDERSTAND or CHERISH the value of education in general. There are just so many factors in getting kids motivated to learn and go to school. For example, look at any average private school - sure, everyone complains about school, but that's because people love to complain in general. The actual idea of someone dropping out or genuinely hating the system only comes from kids who have some kind of fucked up problem in their life, like shitty parents.

Meanwhile, in public schools, truancy is rampant, and a lot of kids just don't care. There are always "those" kids, who despite all setbacks have a brilliant mind and do great things, but as a whole, it's an issue of motivation that needs to be addressed.

>>5311908
>>5311907

copy and pasted from some angsty, and most likely outcast mother fucker. Also, trolling.

Measuring people based on their grades is a perfectly valid method for measuring worth. Unless someone has a serious handicap then getting a good grade isn't impossible.

Also, fitting in, conforming, and doing well in society doesn't make you a mindless drone. You know who the ultimate noncomforists are? sociopaths and serial killers. They dont' listen to anyone, tell society to fuck off with its rules, and they do what they want when they want.

Do you want to be that.

As for the petty and stupid social hierarchies in high school, yeah, those -are- bullshit. They don't matter, and they'll never matter. All it does it give an ego boost or crush to certain individuals based on posturing, and among girls, who on the varsity team you sucked off.

There are flaws in the public school system but it's faggots like you who can't stand the whole "don't judge me I'm speshul" that make me rage like a thousand suns.

TL;DR = YOU ARE NOT A UNIQUE FUCKING SNOWFLAKE, YOU ARE COMPARABLE TO MOST PEOPLE AROUND YOU IN MOST MAJOR QUALITIES.

>>5312688
but you are missing out on socializing

>>5312725
I can socialize outside of school. It does take more effort, but it's certainly possible.

Different strokes for different folks.

>>5312713
the government built the infrastructure that gave you your job

INCLUDING- roads, cars (if you drive) public buses (if you don't) the monetary basis for exchange, welfare, unemployment, (your literacy, which allows you to function)

etc etc etc etc.

all the government expects out of you is to complete mandatary levels of education, which it provides FOR you.

fuck. if you don't want to learn to read and write, go live in africa for fucks' sake.

>>5312671
Einstein, Copernicus, Washington, Tesla, Franklin, Planck, Hoffman, Watson, Galileo (never completed his degree), Gates, plenty of others. It's not necessarily that they weren't educated at all, but I'm fairly certain they would be disgusted by modern schooling (excluding Gates because the bastard is still alive).

>>5311907
Sure it's important. Why would you want to waste money enrolling in university if you'll fail?
Once they find the criminal traits in DNA they should DNA test people and put them away to ensure they will not kill anyone.

>>5312764

>genetic determinism

>i'm a massive troll

>>5312737
I'm proof that you don't need to know how to read and write to be on r9k.

>>5312632
I was homeschooled and am neither. Well, maybe a little bit of a social retard.

>>5312725
Yeah, socializing with niggers and trailer trash sure sounds great. I'd rather my child talk to Internet pedophiles and become a social retard than talk to trash and become trash.

>>5311908
My school had a superlative called "Most likely to take over the world". For the girl version, they voted the hot, quiet artist hipster girl. For the guy one, they voted the one most likely the get the high score.

Sadly, I did not win the superlative, as I got friends and got on varsity basketball (surprisingly, didn't even play 10th and 11th grade) my senior year :(. I didn't win any superlatives lol.

>>5312571
We wouldn't have a civilization?

Do you consider pre-industrialized America lack of civilization? No, we were fucking fine.

You all seem to be pretty ignorant to this, but let me lay it down for you - the school system as we know it today has remained virtually unchanged, since the dawn of the industrial era (trains, factories, child labor, stock market, etc.). Before this, it was different. But the industrial era created radical change in the system. It suited the needs of the time, which was to create a system which turned children into factory working material quickly - America needed children who could shut up and pay attention to orders and not get their fingers caught in machines, who would without hesitation bow to authority.

Now that there are so many different career opportunities out there for individuals, you would think that the system would change to fit this - no. Students who want to be cartoonists and book writers and screenplay editors and shoe designers and actors and inventors have been systematically phased out of the programming - creativity, inventiveness and outgoing personalities are discouraged and punished. Funding for art programs are at an all-time low, the joke of the subject lineup.

Civilization doesn't need this to survive - our founding fathers and their descendants were incredibly intrepid and original, and they never intended for this vile mass to be formed in the future.

The richest man on the planet never graduated college.

Fuck all of you.

>>5312784
you were proabbly bullied in school cuz you were a geek with no balls

>>5312793
Oh jeez, superlatives.
The Take Over The World one was given to the sociopath ultra conservative male and the delusions-of-grandeur bitch female.

But I did get most intelligent :3

>>5312755
>>I'm fairly certain they would be disgusted by modern schooling

Bullshit, and no one cares about what you think they would think. Give reasonable arguments based on evidence or shut the fuck up.

>>5312810
But he did get into Harvard. For some reason, I suspect the faggots ITT who consider school useless never exactly made it to Harvard.
Of course he did well; he was naturally intelligent. The same does not imply to you.

>>5312815
Lemme guess, you're the kind of faggot who, when asked what clique they were in in highschool, answers "I was cool with everyone. I hung out with the jocks, the thugs, the skaters, the stoners, and the popular kids. I didn't have any close friends, however..." What you REALLY mean is that you were a quiet faggot who everyone ignored. Yeah, you sure got lots of socialization in highschool.

>>5312795
Teaching someone how to design a pair of shoes or create a screenplay is trivial to teaching someone math, language skills, and science. These things are important and worth knowing. An artist may as well be a monkey plastering shit against a wall.

>>5312129
It was Carlin, I believe. Not Ron White.

The lycee system in France works on the idea that you only need basic math, science, history, arts, and lit to be well-rounded, so basically when you start high school you choose a "major concentration". The problem with this is that if you want to switch from history to physics when you enter college, you used to not be able to (though now this is very easy). Actually, my dad's a good example from the Swiss system (similar to lycee). His high school concentration was theology, and now he's a theoretical physicist.

>>5311907

Sure is 16 year old angst in here. If you perform better than another it means you are better than another at that task.

>>5312839
>Bullshit, and no one cares about what you think they would think.

oh ho ho! is funny because no one cares what you think either!

Threads like these are funny.

Schoolfags are going to win in the end because they have vested interests they are trying to protect, and Rebelfags are going to win because they will never admit defeat, as it would be admitting they are worthless in the eyes of society.

In other words, EVERY THREAD THAT HAS EVER EXISTED IN THE HISTORY OF ARE NINE FUCKING KAY.

>>5312795
so america was better off back when child labor in the fields was legal, people died of tuberculosis, we were killing off the indians with smallpox, slavery was legal, race riots were common, we were burning witches at the stake, and america was the shithole of the world?

right.....

everyone knows industrialization started off bad. you'd have to be an idiot to think it didn't turn america into a better place in the long run.

or would you rather that america turn out like afghanistan and not be industrialized?

>>5313042
Afghanistan is paradise compared to the Fascist States of America. Forced education is bullshit and indoctrination. I don't fucking need math or bullshit science. It's useless for most Americans, and we don't need the shit.

>>5312901
>His high school concentration was theology, and now he's a theoretical physicist.

WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE?

I think grading based on participation is the biggest bullshit ever pulled by a teacher ever. No matter how well I did on written work I was always fucked over by a participation grade just because I don't wanna talk to the stupid cunt

>>5313042
he wouldn't know that.

he never graduated high school.

now he believes what some hippie tells him over wikipedia.

>>5313059
Theology and theoretical physics are pretty close to one another. Both are purely based on faith. The only difference is that one theology, Christianity, is legitimate, while theoretical physics is a self-perpetuating scam with no basis in reality.

>>5313100
yeah. funny how the only people who claim theoretical physics has any merit is physicists, but they claim that no one else can understand it. they can't provide any evidence, and they constantly make up new terms and laws, but they can't prove any of them with reality.
it has no real world value. it doesn't help me pay my mortgage, support my troops, or become successful, and it detracts from the real essentials that do have real world use, the three r's: reading, riting, and rithmatic.
honestly, its a fraud, and we should not waste a dime of our tax dollars funding any fanciful, supposedly scientific ventures, when there are people starving, children dying, and overtaxation as it is.

>>5313100
>>5313191
So by that logic I could say Theology is a useless class (it doesn't help pay bills, support troops, or any of the other stuff you listed), and all religious groups should be taxed.

Theistic groups make claims that you can't prove, or understand unless you're one of them.

>>5313078
Instructors are under NO obligation to give out grades justly or fairly. Stop whining.

>>5313233
Except theology does help me and everyone else in their day to day lives. Well, the correct theology (Protestant) anyways.
Without Christianity, people would murder, rape, and steal in much higher numbers. The moral fabric of society would tear (it's already happening in some areas where Christianity is waning with abortion, homosexual marriage, and removal of God from public life.) Thanks to God, people are successful and are able to use His miracle of life and blessings to live a full life devoted to our Lord. Christianity allows us to repent for our sins (everyone sins, but Jesus was kind enough to sacrifice himself for forgiveness) and live wholesome lives while honoring God for his wonderful works. No man would be where he currently is without God, therefore teaching Christian Theology is highly beneficial and probably one of the most important classes a student can take, especially since most other classes are false and based upon lies perpetuated by bitter men who lack the light of the Lord within their lives.

>>5313336
amen brother, amen.
it's good to hear other intelligent people spreading the good word of the lord.

>>5312557
My computer does Calc, Trig, and Physics better than I ever could. They are not "basic" - they require a mathematical mind.
I'm fucking astonishing if you give me some historical information (art, drama, speech, event, timeline, whatever) and ask about all of it in a nice, sensible essay.
Ask me to tell you about trigonometry and I'm liable to get pissed and tell you to ask a goddamn tree.
In a related statement, I fucking love Word but Excel shits me to tears.

>>5312258

You're a fool, there is no use for a public school system in America to be used for education. People who want education go to libraries and use the internet to research.

The educational system in this country is nothing more than a brainwashing program used to stifle creativity and the desire to learn.

>>5312606
You're the most right of anyone here so far. Society taught all the real-world jobs to itself. Academic study was for people who wanted to know more, not do more.

>>5313059

Haha nah my dad's cool, and high school theology actually required a lot of math (since they were at some level doing philosophy and logic), so he was well-prepared for undergrad.

>>5313191

Yeah, no, you're wrong. Theoretical physics is the reason you have laser cooling that makes a number of satellites possible, why you have General Relativity which allows GPS to drive your car for you (as opposed to driving you into a wall), why you have MRI, CAT, PET, and CT scans, why you have urban traffic lights that are timed so that city streets aren't backed up for miles at rush hour, why you have stealth fighters and nuclear bombs and digital photography, and a whole bunch of other stuff that was put on paper well before it was manufactured by engineers.

>>5313336

First off, obvious troll is obvious. Second, so, you're saying YOU would be a rapist and a murderer if God weren't around to send you to Hell for it? Also, can't you just ask Jesus for forgiveness just before you die and you go to Heaven, even if you just got done raping and murdering an entire orphanage of infants? lrn2religion, faggot

>>5313484
>Academic study was for people who wanted to know more, not do more.

Thread over.

School prepares you for university. University prepares you for post-uni work. School does not necessarily prepare you for life and teach you truly valuable things. The education system of the entire world (as they all resemble one another) is very fucked up indeed, and needs an extreme reform. I do not believe school should be required by law, but strongly advised.

Here is a video I highly recommend anyone interested in this topic (and you should be because it affects us all greatly), a TED talk:

Sir Ken Robinson: Do schools kill creativity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

One of the best lectures I've seen in my entire life, this.

>>5312894 this comment isn't original
>Teaching someone how to design a pair of shoes or create a screenplay is trivial to teaching someone math, language skills, and science.
>Specialized skills
>Trivial compared to generalized, broad topics that are never applied

We need basic math to do do taxes and calculate finances, science is trivial because people will know the theories but never apply, expand, or care about them, social studies is a joke. Are you trolling?

>>5313248

Actually, instructors are under pressure to give fair grades even well before the age of litigation and "all rich whites go to college". The peer review system that has regulated university tenure for centuries put a very high standard on professors' integrity, if only to give them a better reputation among peers that their experiments were carried out reliably. This also translates into giving evaluations, as a student might go between several mentors and each would have to recommend the student to the next - he would not live it down if he kept a brilliant student from a friend by making him seem dumb, or gave a dumb student to a friend by making him seem brilliant, because quickly he would have no way of attracting or expelling students at all if people couldn't rely on him for honest trading.

The system of integrity still exists among most college profs, i'd say, though a significant number are ready to trash the entire system since it has become very unreliable in recent decades.

>>5313497
again, none of those benefit the average men. traffic is still awful. most of those are just wastes of money. it's a bunch of self righteous scientists throwing away taxpayer money on frivolous "research" and expensive technology we could definitely do without, rather than giving tax cuts or helping businesses or teaching our children the three R's.
if it doesn't help the average joe, we should not spend a minute of our time on it, no money should go to it, and the "scintists" who claim they're the only ones able to comprehend should be forced to get real jobs that contribute to the economy and help our country.

>>5313484
>implying high school curricula is academics, let alone hard for someone that doesn't party all weekend and goof off all day in school

>>5313615
If scientists don't cure my male pattern baldness, who will?

>>5312557
Evolutionists are so bizarre. They think we are screwy for believing in creation, when creation simply says, 'God did it'. Not really all that hard to comprehend. But to bend, twist, and contort the way evolutionists do to try to make things fit, then claim it as some sort of science, is just absurd.

>>5312894
Teaching someone language skills is crucial if they're going to learn to craft a screenplay. That's all I'm saying.

>>5313641
There is nothing - nothing in the world - I hate more than this. Misinterpreting someone else's post, posting only that misinterpretation, and adding a picture which is supposed to convey your opinion of your own moronic misinterpretation?
Christ, you make me rage.
10/10.

>>5313615
>medical scanning technology does not help people

>>5313728
we lived without it for 10,000 years. there are more important things to spend money on.

School is extremely important but fuck yeah it needs reform and more funding. Stupid "defense" budget.

>>5313728
While I'm still raging, your collection of down syndrome pictures must be quite impressive.

10/10 because I'm still raging at your method, though in this case I agree that poster is a moron.

>>5313751
You don't value human life and good health much, do you?

>>5313751
>implying humans have only been around -+10,000 years
>humorous_reaction_image.jpg

>>5313781
i care about the more important things in life, like being successful and worshipping our lord.
if people die, it's because it was their time to go. yes, it sucks sometimes, but if they were good people, didn't complain about those who are better off then them, were meek and humble, and accepted Jesus Christ into their lives, they will be rewarded with an eternity in heaven, which is far greater than any world pleasures or riches.
god gave us free will in order to recognize his greatness and work hard, not to baby others and let them have a free ride. all any poor person needs is bootstraps to pull themself up if they truly wish to improve their situation. forced handouts are a violation of free will.

>>5313798
okay, forget implications. the earth is, without any doubt, between 6000 and 10000 years old. science falsely claims it's billions of years old, but their dating techniques have proven to not work when new pots are determined to be millions of years old, and the reason layers of earth exist, as with the grand canyon and other stuctures, is because of the great flood. this has been proven, but the nanny state government refuses to present the facts, as always.

>>5313798
My God, you're not even using a picture now and I'm still raging. I think a vein just popped out in my forehead.
10/10.

>>5313849
Two 10/10 trolls locked in combat.
I'm raging so hard at both of you I think I'm about to have an aneurism, a stroke, a heart attack or all three. It's like I've died and gone to Hell.

>>5313849
definite troll

>>5311907
you have to understand that THIS IS WHAT LIFE IS ALL ABOUT and the only reason you hate it is because YOU SUCK

American eduation does need reform. I know Americans hate to hear this but, in the case of education "we need to be more like the Europeans" also fuck the imperial system. METRIC FTW

>>5313532
didn't the thread end here or

What the fuck is with this thread not showing my posts?

>>5313985
You're using noko and your browser is pulling the thread from temporary internet files instead of reloading from the server.
But you won't see this because of your problem.

I don't agree with you entirely, but I kind of see your point. Public schools are in need of an overhaul, but I don't think they're completely useless either. Basic learning skills are important. Even if you don't like something, that's no excuse to throw your hands up and quit. I hate math, but I know it's important and useful. I like science, even if I don't understand most of it. I like reading, writing, drawing, all that creative stuff you claim schools oppress. How, then, was I able to take creative writing and art classes? There were even a few teachers nice enough to look the other way when I was drawing during lessons so long as I did my work. School also teaches social skills. Yes, there are rotten people, I had a few bad teachers and I was bullied when I was younger, but I learned how to adapt to social situations. I made friends, many of whom I'm still close to even now. There were also many good teachers who went out of their way to help me or even just be someone to talk to when I needed it.

Did I hate pointless "busy work", excessive homework, and spending all day in classroom after classroom? Yeah. But I survived, and learned things I otherwise would not have known without attending. I do think there need to be some major changes to the system but I don't think schools are a useless prison either. In my view, there's a growing rise of stupid people reaching epidemic proportions in this country and I shudder to think how much worse it would get if no one ever attended school, private or not. No, that doesn't mean I think everyone would instantly become idiots, but without SOME form of formal education the stupids would be even stupider, and I'm sure the lazy ones wouldn't bother learning anything useful on their own.