>>4688220
Equality cease to exist with the birth of a new human/live.

Their are more talented people, and less talented people.
There are braindead retards and genius.

Get over it. If you try to force to much equality-concepts it will have counter-effects.

Freedom?
Only fools will stick to this, especially e.g. as argument providing it as a pro-point of industrialized countries against other countries like China.

It's how you perceive things that matters in the end.

I'm white and I'm all for equality. Hell, most people in general are for equality. You don't go out much, do you?

>>4688281

Actually I do. But I'm European, and not in a nigger infested country.

I'm a wealthy, happy cracker and i'm fine with equality.

I'm a middle class white guy. I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU, if that qualifies for "preaching equality for all".

>>4688271

All of these things you mention fall under the "accident of birth" category. They are arbitrary and while a truth it does not mean anyone should be treated differently. The strong protect the weak.

>>4688290
Netherlands here. Also, Europe is pretty nigger infested brah.

>>4688297

Not Eastern. Neithera re some countries in The West.

In fact, Italy, Germany, etc are fine. France is fucked though.

>>4688304
To be fair white people in Easter Europe are the niggers of Eurasia. Germany has fuck loads of Turks though, and Italy? Ever heard of gypsies?

DATS RACIS!

>>4688295
I understand that what is given you with birth is nothing you can decide.

But i think we have reached a point where it is counter-productive, that means, reality (i guess, if you try to perceive things as neutral as possible) does not stand to those concepts as much as we want them to be real or actually think they are real.

Freedom and equality is not borderless!

>>4688281
>>4688292
>>4688293

Like these guys, I'm also a white guy who's perfectly secure and without financial problems and I believe in equality. OP's argument is hugely flawed, there are LOTS of "normal, wealthy, secure of themselves white and asian people" who are for equality.

black guy here
One thing that amazes me about white people is the sheer amount of energy you spend oppresing other races. Between finding ways to keep them in jail, keeping them stupid, and everything else you guys do I'd say there's about 10-20 trillion dollars spent annually

>>4688325

Everyone works according to their ability. It makes perfect sense. A world where a potential Einstein will waste away flipping burgers because he couldn't afford a college education- or worse still, stealing from markets because he was born into the third world- is heavily flawed.

Minorities usually preach equality while demanding special rights and entitlements. No one is a fucking idiot that actually wants to be equal.

BAWWW I'M A RETARDED FAILURE AT LIFE SO I'LL CRY ABOUT MINORITIES IN A MANNER CREATING EXTREME IRONY WITH MY UNEDUCATED RETARD-GRADE IDEA

When do normal, wealthy, secure of themselves white and asian people preach?

>>4688354

History will not be kind to your sort.

>>4688340
Your homeboys in the innercities are committing the crimes and failing school on their own, due to cultural bias against acting "white." First step out: personal responsibility and maybe not idolizing thugs.

New concept to you, hmm?

>>4688358

When they're religious leaders.

>>4688358
wtf is normal? Surrendering your morals, time, and sanity to a job/society that you dont believe in so that you can try and force your children to live moral sane lives?

>>4688340
>>DA WHITEY MAN HE RACIS' HE HOLD DA BLACK FELLA DOWN IMA JUS' KEEPIN' REAL KNOW WHU' I SAYIN' BOY

>>4688364
so you are saying that religious leaders are normal?!

>Wealthy white people don't preach equality
>Ignoring civil rights advocates and abolitionists dating back to the 1500s

Are you fucking retarded? Really?

I advise that you wait till you leave highschool to see what the world is really like, son.

>>4688344
Yes, i am also for this. The people with potential should me supported.

But is it the case? I mean, somehow all the genius were from a time when the education was much rougher.
Discipline was regarded a high value back then.

Nowadays with the antiauthorian education, i guess many people with potential got lost thanks to this kind of freedom.

That's what i meant.

Also the double standards of our society.

>>4688385

I don't honestly believe that anyone so manipulative can wholesomly believe in a higher power. So yeah I think they're just about as normal as any corperate head.

I wonder how much longer this concepts of equality, freedom etc. will stay as idealized images in the mind of many people, when the reality is a bit harsher.

The internet is the place with the most freedom.
But this means mostly uncrontrolled potential.
Therefore the recent developements.

When the internet gets almost completely controlled, i hope i am not living anymore on this earth....

Those who are privileged don't wish for a change that could result in them losing their power.

>>4688391
High school nihilist detected.

>>4688395
>>4688344
>>4688325
>>4688271
>>4688220
>>4688325
Are people static objects? Don't humans have chaninging abilities and needs?
>>4688397
Why are corporate heads normal? Just because the have power and money?

Whenever I hear about someone not being a racist on 4chan I get shocked.

>>4688446
What do you mean with changing abilities?
From zero to hero?
And changing needs?

All possible within your own potential that was given by your mother and farther.

>>4688446

If ability changes, then so could the purposes these people fulfill.

And I would say corperate heads are normal just because they are like any other guy off the street only they've got themselves into a position of power. The majority of people in our system are just as selfishly motivated, these people are just at the top of the ladder.

Industrialized countries only provide equality, freedom and whatever as long within their own border (and even there it is not always what you think it would be).

Those with power and more freedom will try to secure their status.
Those with less of those things will try to gain those things.

If the humanity (i guess even 1/3 is enough) would have wanted real equality to beginn with, then there wouldn't people starving to death and whatever.

It's the hypocritical pretending to satisfy their own image that makes things even more worse.

E.g. : Your country is shit. My country is the best. Look here everyone is free and equal, freedom of speech etc.

>>4688504

People want equality. But they do not understand the means to achieve it. It is impossible to have equality installed by a government.

>>4688475
>>From zero to hero?
yes
>>4688490
So by your reasoning all people are selfishly motivated?

>>4688524
I don't buy this.
If they really want to, then they will find a way to do so.
But naturally, we think of ourselves first. So no.

>>4688533

Ofcourse, the system mandates it.

>>4688533
You are a dumb idealist.
Tell this slogan to a retarded person.
If they can, they will slap you in your face.

>>4688537

The problem is, if people knew how bad things were then we would have it. But they don't, and since they aren't meant to, they won't for a long time.

>>4688541
Else?
>>4688544
walk up to anyone and tell them that they are retarted and have no hope and see what happens.

>>4688578

If people are not selfish: they are poor in this system.

>>4688586
So wealthy is the primary indicator of normal?

>>4688591

No, but a want of it is.

>>4688586

It depends on in what area the selfishness is ample. If you're selfish in general, you won't last long. If you're selfish in the way of thinking to better yourself before you help others -- you care about them, but are selfish with your time -- you'll get quite far.

And it depends on your idea of success.

The extent to which there is no thought or understanding in this thread is appalling. The OP makes a stupid assertion complete with an ungrammatical "whom" just to show exactly how fucking stupid any serious response would be, and still tryhard drivel acculumated beneath his post. I can't classify any of it as pseudo-intellectual, let alone intellectual.

Fucking highschoolers.

>>4688613

>If you're selfish in general, you won't last long.

In a world where 2% of the population controll 80% of the wealth I think it's safe to say that financial failure is the norm. That does not stop it being peoples driving force.

It's all well and good having conflicting definitions of success on /r9k/. But out in the real world you'll find a very depressing majority just want the big house and the fast car.

Equality can't exist in a biological world, as life is something that's based on taking control over another being. (ie eating other organisms, whether it's alive or dead)

Just do your best to not hurt other people's feelings, and treat everyone as well as you can. Equality won't happen, but that doesn't mean you need to put others down because of it.

If you help someone, whether it's to feel better about yourself or you enjoy helping others, you're putting yourself above them. If you choose to be mean, you're doing the same. You can do both while putting yourself below them. A small amount of situations do allow for equal social levels, but they're few and far in between.

What do you guys think of my ideas?

>>4688619

Care to enlighten us then?

>>4688578
Not what i said. And i don't need to because they know it.

But you are trying to give people unreasoned delusions (lies).

>>4688621

Precisely. A good number of people are selfish in most aspects of their lives, thinking that looking after only themselves 98% of the time will being them riches, hence the failure of riches. They wonder what's going wrong, then they give up and get angry. They then become even more selfish, but for a bittered reason.

Those who're billionaires on this Earth, have connections; they do things for each other, privately. It's a different type of selfishness. It's not as though they simply went around pushing in front of people and never paying for dinner.

>>4688623
Better than most, tbh. You at least question the premise of equality being a viable long-term equilibrium state. Hierarchy is the norm for human social structures. One social group or another will always be one top, whether sorted by race or gender or culture, etc.

People don't want to be equal. They want whatever group with which they identify to be atop the hierarchy. They plead the social benefits of equal treatment until they are equal, then plead the benefits of special treatment.

>>4688220

All comes back to Nietzsche's conception of master/slave morality. Look it up.

>>4688691

Don't bother.
Masters are an idealised people who are "self defining" and "create values" and control others.

Slaves are most of us, reflecting the values of each other and lacking any real driving force or will.

Nietzsche was a crackpot and the sooner you realise that the better. The only reason someone would indulge in a Master/Slave view of things would be if they thought they were a Master and therefore superior or special; an idea he himself refers to and calls "falsification".

>>4688711
What philosopher isn't a crackpot?

>>4688734
Jeremy Motherfucking Bentham.
The only philosopher worth listening to.

>>4688297
Netherlands here,
I've met maybe 3 niggers in my entire life. You have no idea what you're talking about, Amsterdam =! Netherlands. Hollandse kaaskoppen denken natuurlijk weer dat ze de enige personen op de wereld zijn en de rest maar achtergrond figuren die niet meetellen. Kanker arrogante hond.