I used to have this hot psych teacher in high school. I fucking loved her face and her erratic personality. I miss her so much, even though she was 50--but she still looked like she was 20.

Also throughout high school was horrible. There were only two teachers that were life-altering experiences; and everyone else were practically depressed, or tired.

>>4184060
expand your reply please

It sucks but that's the best we have. Who am I to say anything. I got B's from everything. I'm a stupid man.

yarblockos
>How has the education system treated you?
I had to pay the government for the knowledge it thought I should know, and then learn it at their pace. Good thing it was shit-easy.

the only useful derivation was from 10th grade history teaching me the vastness of time and repetitive nature of human society. 12 years of schooling and i learned nothing, not math, not a foreign language, not writing nor grammar nor social skills nor anything. i barely passed highschool.

then i took 2 months, read some textbooks, and clep'd out of 40 credits. nothing useful was taught in school, and even what they did teach i did not learn by their effort. so much wasted time.

Everything before college was fucking stupid easy. Of course since everyone should be treated equally and not get special attention, I just lazed back and my potential was wasted because I never bothered learning how to do simply shit like make a decent paper, you the ones where you have to like go do research about some eastern European country for no fucking reason.

I can imagine it becoming awesome in the future as technology advances. IMO, entertainment is one of the mots important parts of keeping one's focus (look at Bill Nye). With advanced technology and increased interactivity with students, the learning environment of the classroom could become as exciting and entertaining as an episode of Bill Nye itself. Imagine huge gigantic projector screens, all sorts of little technological devices, incredibly entertaining and lively AI's as teachers, etc.

In my country we had ancient books and we pretty much learned from the teachers... they had notes, read from their book and passed the info onto us. We did not have to buy, or be given our own books. So we did not have big bookbags to carry around, and school only lasted until noon. We went home afterwards, which meant classes were split by days, not 7 periods. Here in the US it was such a clusterfuck, they guarantee failure by stuffing 7 subjects everyday until 3pm which pretty much guarantees anything after lunch will not retain... dumb asses. They also repeat everything you ever learned in 3rd grade all the way to 7th grade... and anything from 7th all the way to 9th... then expect everyone to learn Physics, Calc, Alg in the span of 3 years ( High School )... yeah that makes sense!
And people wonder why the US school system is such a failure.

I did nothing, seriously.

It's all one big scam. The real purpose is not education, but strengthening the power of the elite:
http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html

I've learned more through self-teaching than I ever learned in school. School is obsolete now that anybody who wants to can teach themselves any subject to expert level from the Internet.

>>4184191
what country would that be?

Suits some people more than others. I can't think of any other way to see what you excel at, though.

(cont.)
College has been rather spotty to say the least. Some teachers expect you to buy worthless books and you read from chapter x-y. Then they give you a rundown of the test before hand to make sure everyone passes. Never mind actually teaching.
If lucky you find 1-2 teachers that actually teach and those are the ones you remember and actually learn from. I'm finding community college is better in this regard, normal colleges are just an excuse for students to get high, drunk and experiment shit they never got to do before college.

>>4184208

You mean quote wikipeida during arguments and consider themselves intellectuals and what not?

I went to a shit school, I coped by myself in my GCSEs and got really good marks but I did horribly in 6th form. None of the teachers knew what was going on, they lost work, didnt inform us of deadlines and didnt teach us a thing. I wish I had gone to a more established college. I went from As and A*s in my gcses to Cs and Ds in my A levels.

Im saving up money for uni right now so god knows how that'll pan out.

>>4184240
I mean learning real important things like programming, how to detect scams, how to find any information, foreign languages, how to preserve your own health, etc.

This thread is as retarded as shit.

Play him off, Keyboard Cat.

can people post the college they go to, i want to see how smart teh robots are

>>4184301

OMG HAV U SEEN THOSE UTUB VIDEOS SO CRAZY CATS DONT PLAY PIANOE

Some teachers are very biased. There are certain classroom behaviors which they expect from students. Based on those behaviors they change their views of the student.

If a student sits in the front of the class and always comes on time and takes notes, the teacher will have a good impression of him/her and will treat him diffrently then someone who comes in late and sits in the back all the time. Those two students could have the exact same exam grades but based on the teachers view of the student, she may give the " good "student a higher grade, and the "bad" one a lower grade.

Education is mindwash approved by the world
We're taught how to behave, and to obey our social rules, not to do drugs and not to hate niggers or women.

>>4184329

Yeah, the internet teaches us to hate niggers and womenz!

>>4184028

HOLY SHIT, niggers can READ??!

I'm a pretty big advocator of Education, even if it's a bit lacking in a lot of the world.
First 6 years are essential, perfect- social and cognitive development to the max.
7-10 is a waste of time. More about socialising than learning.
11/12 (and 13) are good, because you specialise and begin to learn what you'll be studying in college- which you will be going to if you've stuck around for this much.
College is great depending on the course.

Lit teacher here. :D

ITT: R9K failures make excuses for their own failure to learn anything worthwhile when given the opportunity.

>>4184354
dear post 4184354
i believe you do not know the difference between a black man and a nigger

that is all

>>4184361
Mike, my biggest problem with education is that some schools penalize their students for failing a class. Getting a %40 in lets say Calculus means you accomplished roughtly %40 or the material. Accomplishing %40 percent of the materials show that you did learn something but you didn't meet the requirements. So our GPA is based on meeting requirements and not learning. This system might prevent students from pushing themselves to take a harder class. So if the student had a 2.0 GPA before the class they failed, it would go down a good about (probably by .1 or .2). The student would had been better off not taking the class at all. In what world do we live in that someone would be better off not learning?

>>4184268

Those things have always been learned through living not from school.

>>4184404

Why live in a world where doing something half assed and then claiming that you've "learned" is praised and looked up to?

>>4184404
I don't really understand the US (?) system, mind explaining it to me a bit further?

School was dedicated to learning how to pass tests in subjects rather than learning about the subject itself. I had a few good teachers, but most just taught from textbooks and made sure that we could jump through all the right hoops in the exams. I can't really blame them. They were doing their job; in our system (Britfag) exam results are all that matter and exams are marked according to fixed "assessment objectives". Once you've finished your exams you might as well forget everything you've learnt (chances are you didn't learn anything useful anyway).

University has been little more than several years of intellectual masturbation; the only useful thing I've learnt is how to take care of myself. This is partly my fault since I picked humanities subjects for my A levels when I was 16 because I enjoyed them more at the time and now I'm fucked. Our system is great if you know exactly what you want to do and don't change your mind halfway through, but if not you can end up wasting years of your life thanks to some bad decisions when you were too young to be making them.

>>4184461
Oh, well in the united states we have a grading scale the consists of letter grades and a GPA.
On any given test a student can earn an A,B,C,D or an F.
An "A" is the top grade that ranges from getting 90% of the test correct to 100%. "F" stands for failure which usually the student got below 69% or 50% (depending on the schools grading system).
GPA in america is a grade point average based on grades in the classes. 4 points is awarded for an "A", 3 for a :"B", 2 for a "C", 1 for a "D", and 0 for a "F".

So if a student in one class gets all "A"s then they will receive a 4.0 GPA. However, if that student was taking really easy classes and wanted to try a really hard class and earned a 40% they would receive a "F" for a grade.

Even though the student learned 40% of the material, their GPA will now include a 0 which is very devastating to a GPA.

My point is a 0 on the GPA scale in America is not representative of what a student actually learned.

>>4184502
That is a completely bullshit system.
Who the fuck thought that up?

We have the same basic ABCDF system here in W.A. and as long as the average grades of a high school student are C or above at the end of their final year they will graduate and get their high school certificate.
Getting into college is based on a set of externally moderated/marked/created exams that each student sits for each subject and then their scores are ranked against each other, weighted for each subject's difficulty and then added and ranked again.
Basically only the top 40% are eligible to apply for college, with only the top 20% being eligible to apply to the best uni in the state- and even then they might not get in.
I think its pretty fair.

I went to a joke of a private, religious elementary school. Seeing how private education was failing me (religious studies rather than science and math everyday?), my parents moved me to public school. High school was bullshit. Easy and, frankly, a waste of time. Lots of busy work. So many ridiculous graduation requirements that weren't pertinent to what I wanted to study and ultimately do. This said, having to take courses that I didn't really like/were tough for me did prepare me for college with some good study skills.

College is great. I go to a large state school that surprisingly isn't rife with bureaucratic red tape. I've had the opportunity to meet some fascinating people--both educators and students--that've truly impacted my life experience and post-graduation goals. Won some special honors, took a lot of great classes, a few bullshit classes, and had the opportunity to really serve my campus community through volunteerism. My only regret is, in addition to doing a major I loved, doing a bullshit major (Communication-- surprise, surprise) to get my foot in the door in an industry I ultimately decided not to work in.

>>4184461
Public, neighborhood education is available for minimal cost (property taxes!) to children ages 5 or 6 through high school (usually ending at 17 or 18). Some parents also choose to send their children to pre-school. During their final year in high school, students apply to college. In the US, there are private and public universities, the latter funded by state taxpayers.

>>4184532
The regular classes in America are still pretty easy. The problem is that grading is incompatible with real actual learning. I wouldn't have a problem with the education system if they didn't bullshit students that they are learning instead of repeatably meeting the standards of each individual test.

>>4184316

Except 99% of the time, those students won't get the same grade. Stop blaming everything on teachers just because you are a lazy moron who didn't do well in school.

>>4184532
From what I've seen, our system is starting to go downhill drastically, they're passing kids who shouldn't be getting passed then lowering the bar to meet them.

I was abused for a number of years and then neglected by my parents. I have no opinion of public education that isn't terribly biased by my experiences of it. I eventually dropped out. Teachers told me I was a moron who would never achieve anything.

Just to prove that I'm not a moron, I went on later to get 3 upper level degrees (two in science and math, one in business). I now have the financial capacity to not work for the rest of my life. I'm thinking of becoming a teacher.

>>4184694
Why can we not pass more people? Everyone learns differently. Why if the teacher failed to provoke thought in the student.

Too often teachers think their students have a blank slate for a mind. For example, math isn't about learning how to solve a conic into standard form, it is all about finding different ways to do things. Math indirectly helps people with general problem solving in completely unrelated subjects.

I've learned more through self-teaching than I ever learned in school. I was nearly skipped through grades several times in primary school but for some strange reason my parents would never allow it. As I got older (in high school) I began to slack off and skip a lot of classes (to study things that I was actually interested in in the library or at home), but my grades never slipped and at home my mind was as active as ever... I went to college and I was known for having a chip on my shoulder around the teachers. For awhile I was convinced that they had nothing to offer me outside of their pre-packaged lessons, but I later on did allow them to get closer to me (on a non-professional level like they wanted), only for them to fuck with me repeatedly. I am learning and improving (both as a person and in the field that I was interested in) out in the real world much more quickly than I ever have in a school environment. I'm glad I'm not there anymore. There was no way that I could ever give them what they wanted, but I do very well in the workplace.

tl;dr = The education system has a lot of problems but its the only thing we have outside of homeschooling (which would be bad for most families on a social level), so I guess we're fucked. lol

vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=41295559

this is the truth about that whole "education"

I wouldn't know, haven't been to school since the 5th grade.

I am fucking serious.

I was (and am) waaaaaaaaaaaaaay WAAY too smart for High School (well it doesn't take THAT much), absolutely fucking failed courses like crazy. Learned a shit load though, just never wasted my time on the pointless fucking drivel that was homework, was too busy actually LEARNING things.

Almost didn't graduate, but pulled it together.
Was stressful and depressing (actually WAS depressed early on) as fuck until I just accepted that I would carve my own path, and make a CHOICE not to do homework. That was my best last year in High School EVER. It was fucking amazing. Teachers loved me, students loved me, I never did homework, and I was honest about why. The confidence in my choice rubbed off on the teachers, they didn't pressure me about it. They thought I was awesome, I understood everything thoroughly and quickly, I motivated and taught everyone and was extremely positive. I made many of my classes meaningful for the other students, and they thought my approach was quite the marvel to behold. I did crazy and awesome shit. It was epic win. I was in a bunch of Sophomore classes, retaking them having failed them before, and determined to graduate. Hot sophomores were into me (which I hooked up with later), everyone else looked up to me, I taught people some major life lessons. Man it was the shit.

Just realized I could have probably toned down the vernacular... I'm used to /b/ and blending in.

Anyways yeah it's horribly broken for someone like me, grades ABSOLUTELY worked against me. I just wasn't willing to sacrifice my hunger for knowledge to waste time on homework that was contradicting its original purpose anyway.

Fuck can't post part 2 'cause I'm flooding & now it's unoriginal.

Retry:

Did some local college, and the same thing reoccurred. Was at the top of each of my classes (programming, Calculus I & II, Abnormal Psych), but not so much ostensibly. Found just reading the book chapter taught me everything I needed and really obsoleted my professor (even if they were good, though not if they were *really* really good) but my grades usually didn't reflect it, and whether or not I aced a test really depended on how important I considered the current subject matter.

Since then (been a few years) I've matured quite a bit in the world (personal life, etc.). My overt educational failure is somewhat de-motivating, but I'm starved for a community of my peers, I NEED to be in school. I live in Montana in a place not exactly bustling with people I can relate with, and my social life is really hurting because of it. My biggest failure has been not sufficiently challenging or believing in myself, but now I'm letting myself accept that I could go to a good college and be successful. I never even tried before, never even took the SAT. Now I'm aiming for a prestigious software engineering / tech school, possibly in Cali.

I hope things go well. :O

>>4184870
YOU THERE! STOP STEALING MY LIFE!!!!!!

Middle school was worthless, high school was worthless until 11th grade, college has been a-ok barring the dumb mouthbreathers fouling up my classes.

I think grades are a useless quantitative approximation of something that's qualitative in nature, namely performance. To me, the carrot-and-stick approach to education makes me think that the problems with the education system lie not in the system, but in human nature. Maybe by making people more self-motivated we wouldn't need to be graded on our performance like dogs at a racetrack.

read the Hackers Manifesto. thats ny opinion of it.

32 long division problems for my homework. for 3 weeks. this was assigned to me in 4rh, 5th, 6th, 7th grade. I fucking get it already. no Mr. Wilkerson I didn't show my work; I did it in my head.

>>4184740
I'm an Ausfag so this may not apply. Note these are just my personal experinces. I help out a few kids with whatever they're having trouble with probably my two biggest gripes are with the way maths and english are being taught, particularly maths. The basics just aren't there, 'close enough' is 'good enough'. On top of that they just throw formulas at these kids. The kids don't 'learn' these formulas, they memorize them. As soon as you curve ball them or deviate they hit a brick wall, they don't even have the basics down pat enough to be able to find another way around the problem. My point is, kids should be failed and failed hard when they don't know the basics, the bar should not be lowered to them to make them feel good about themselves. Even just reading over their questions I can see that in the last 5 years it's gotten a whole lot easier.

>>4184890
No, you're just an idiot. Stop making up excuses as to why you've never done an honest days work in your life.

>>4184948
I understand your point but can we "You didn't meet our requirements but we can see you learned something" without giving a flat out F.

>>4184966

Actually irrigation crew on a farm for a number of years. Mmm dissassembling moving & reassembling handline. (I know better but I couldn't resist replying. Self fail.)

This thread:
BAWWWWW HIGH SCHOOL IS DUMB BUT I'M SOOOO SMART, PFFT SHOWS ALL THOSE TEACHERS AND PARENTS THAT DIDN'T BELIEVE IN ME

>>4184977
Then the insight you want is not with the education system and how things are taught, it's with the grading system, which is inherently flawed. At least from where you're coming from, from my view even if you are to overhaul the grading system there still needs to be something in place that you can say: Sure, you show some understanding, but you're still not up to scratch. We're going to teach it to you again, this time via a different method.

>>4184966

I agree with this guy. Your writing style is atrocious for someone who's supposedly 'brilliant'.

>>4185024
Why did you say something that was bluntly obvious? Now you just look like an attention whore.

inb4 paradox, i ask because i am actually curious

>>4184870

I've always had a relationship with education similar to this guy. but without the good parts.

I've always been pretty bright and eager to learn so have done very well in all of my classes without the need for homework.
but instead of openly fessing up to the fact that I wasn't going to do homework, I spent 5 years of school sheepishly telling teachers that I'd not done it or forgotten it or some stupid shit.
Even still, I couldn't have been brazen about it if I'd wanted to. Doing that in a Grammar school is tanatamount to instant expulsion.

So, I got a reputation as a bad student. And despite the fact that I got straight As in all of my subjects, I was regarded as a lazy little shit who isn't worth a teacher's time. Though ironically enough I had to spent nearly all of my after school and lunch time in detention. Depressing times.

Same as all my brobots here, was awesome in school but never did any work, did okay in the end.

unrealistic picture.
niggers arent intelligent enough to be teachers.

>>4185097

I feel for you. :( To be honest the audacity, confidence and fun didn't come about until I read the cult classic The Nature of Personal Reality, otherwise I could have spiraled the other way (although I had pretty much conquered the "depressed" part by then, having moved into apathetic). Absolute mind fuck, changed me a lifetime's worth in days. You could give that a shot, unless you're just reminiscing here.

Besides the book is a complete mind fuck I'm more than open to hearing it described as schizophrenic cultist brain pollution if so deemed.

>>4185097 cont.

I managed to leave secondary school with an excellent set of grades despite my work ethic, and decided to get out of the normal education system, seeing as I didn't work well under it.

I took an engineering apprenticeship which seemed perfect, really enjoyed it at the start, I was great at the workshop work, all of the academic work came very easily, no homework, I was treated with respect my all of the training officers there, first time I'd ever been treated like that.
Unfortunately things started goinf to shit after 3 months of being there. The training company running the place had promised us Job placements with engineering firms we could go to after the course was over, said we'd all be employed by christmas, which came and went and only brought teh resignation of the guy who made that promise.

I'd started to find that my taste for learning wasn't shared by any of the other apprentices and that they were all insufferable pricks. the practical work we did in the workshop all came to an end, so now I was stuck in a stuffy classroom with these tossers day after day. Only people I could get any respect from were the TOs. Whose constant attention was held by aformentioned insufferable pricks.
So, when it came to progress review time, I found that my achievement scores were taking a dive because I simply got on with things quietly. that's not very noticeable so the TOs simply assumed I was doing fuck all.

So I ended up leaving after the course was over with a set of engineering qualifications but not enough to get me into a job, a less than glowing report, and an empty wallet.

Teachers have thrown useless information at me, and I've regurgitated it back at them. School was the easiest thing I've ever done.

ITT: People with superiority complexes who despite their genius never once asked to be accelerated/advanced and mentally stimulated. Instead choosing to slack off and cruise along.

>>4185262

Or smart people with inferiority complexes. Just sayin'.

>>4185196 Cont again, lol blog.

So THEN, after that shitty experience I kinda wanted to get back somewhere familiar.
And in this silly haze I forgot how SHIT my old school was, and stupidly went back there for sixth form college. Worst mistake of my life.

And the unanimous chorus of the teachers was "Oh no, not this lazy fucker again"
And that's how it went. I'd gone mainly to do A-level Physics. and was unfortunate enough to be lumbered with the teacher who hated me most. wouldn't take me seriously. Told me he respected me for taking a year out to do engineering (he has a degree in mechanical engineering) And then proceeded to treat me like a complete dickhead. Which came as quite a shock after spending a year in an environment where I didn't need to ask to go to the fucking toilet.

My other subjects were great. no problems there, my biggest problem came from really fucking petty shit. My head of sixth form took issue with me and dogged me the entire time I was there. All over stupid shit like having a beard, hair being too long, leaving early at the end of the day when I have no lessons, leaving at lunchtime to buy my lunch from the local shop. It was a fucking joke.
But I resisted, so they kicked me out.

so now I'm looking for a job until next year when I can apply for a uni course I found I could get onto. (Engineering foundation)

2nd year Bachelor of Education student here...

Teachers are getting dumber, pay is going down, quality of education is also going down, every year is a little dumber than the last. Seriously... Get your children into a private school.

the education system in scotland was good to me with me getting the grades to go into university after 5th year (i was 17), up until you reach 6th year you are not treated like a real person. All the teachers treat you like you are 5, the teachers are nice and all but they just treat you like children. 6th year has been great as you are actually treated like a real person. Also you get free choice in what you want to do in 5th year and 6th year so you can get the grades you need to get into university.
tl;dr scottish schools are not bad, but in 6th year they are awesome

>>4185343

Sorry I never answered the question.

The education system treated me fairly well and I had a few excellent teachers along the way. I would say I learned a fair bit, but deffinately crammed a lot. Some of my teachers gave me slightly lower marks so I tried harder and most of the time that worked quite well.

i agree school would be much wiser to teach cognition and puzzle-solving and resource make-shiftery (internet databases/info) rather than 'memorize this'.

instill the mere capacity to learn, and as a kid evolves and gains interests he will supply himself an education, even if worst case scenario its only for job employment.

Undergraduate was a massive fucking waste of time. Nothing but spending money on worthless textbooks devoid of any proper lessons, half-assed intro-to-X classes, and pointless required courses that ate into my precious credit hours and prevented me from going deeper into the fields I was actually interested in. I wanted to be a double or even triple major but wound up settling on a single because I just didn't have the money to stay in school the extra year.

Grad school was super cool though. Laser beam focus, professors who actually taught me the details of my field, excellent peers who were just as passionate as I am...fucking awesome.

Considering going for my PhD.

Anyone here seen Smart People?
It focuses on much of the same topic.
Anyway, the education system today is no longer about learning; it's about getting good grades and then forgetting about it.