Anyone from eastern europe is a pedophile and a racist

Because they have the balls to do it, whereas Amwrican pedos just have pictures from the guys over there who are doing it.

sure there are some experts here...

They live in Russia or ex soviet states.

Go to twelve chan. There's entire threads outlining the whole history of the Ukranian child pornography industry there.

Or you could just read this if you can puzzle through the awful translation:

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/My_life_in_child_porn

It's really "Child modeling" but let's not split the fine downy hairs, shall we.

Ukraine is fuckwin, they're all blonde savage people with thousands of foster houses. You can adopt as many sex slaves as you want.

It's Legal to own CP in Russia.

>>3763850
I was around /b/ for a long time, and almost every single thread about child pornography is filled with 80% Ukrainian, Russian child porn, the rest are asians.

Its like they are the global exporter of CP or something.

>Most of the girls look happy when their naked or sexual picture were taken, big fat smile and squinty eyes.

pedo troll spotted.

FYI they look happy because they've been groomed, but of course you already know that.

the real Internet business emerged in the late 90s, it was very easy to enter into this business. I remember the people of Site-Key.com from St. Petersburg that did much business in 2000. They had a Delaware Corporation in the United States, a Visa and MasterCard merchant account with Card Service International in California, and they ran all the payments via the U.S. through a gateway link from Linkpoint. But there were not only Site-Key but still a lot of other vendors. One of them provided services particularly for the distributors of hardcore child pornography (CP was mostly scanned images of Lolita magazines of the 70s, nudism, nudist pictures doctored to show them pornographic, as well as pictures of fathers abusing their daughters that they had posted in newsgroups or forums)

Russia and the former Soviet states have very lax laws regarding pornography. They use Finland as their tunnel to filter their "artwork" into the civilized parts of Europe. Where it is then spread around like wildfire by niggaz behind 7 proxies. Most countries don't have such lax laws and as large of a land borger as Finland to protect them from the wrath of the EU.

As LS models came onto the market, they have developed their own credit card payment system.LS was in 2003-2004 the world's biggest studio providers of photographs and videos from erotica with children and young people including close-ups of genitals and breasts (but no sex) - typical for Softcore pornography. The girls were from all walks of life, participated completely voluntarily, and usually with the blessing of the parents to take photographs. The most popular girls have been posing repeatedly for years (some even until 2007, long after the collapse of LS Studios) and everyone who has seen these pictures can see that these girls like to be in the pictures and have had fun during the recordings (it is finally time time that someone says this as it really is, even if it seems to disturb some). LS studios had countless sites such as LS Land, Fantasy LS, LS Magazine, etc., and sold to the best studios around 1500 LS entrances on the day for about 40 USD. That makes a daily turnover of approximately USD 60,000 and a monthly turnover of approximately USD 1.8 million, annual sales of approximately 21.6 million USD. Mind you, this is the total turnover. For the payment of the 1500 models, personnel, the various sites

>>3763892
Every country has its own specialty exports....
America has guns.
Canada has weed.
Mexico has slaves.
Afghanistan has poppys.
Britain has....like.....ummm.....culture?

Back in 2000 in Russia there was a forum called DARKMASTERS (earlier darkmasters.com, then darkmasters.info) where all parties involved in the porn shops did business with each other. You have to treat this as a marketplace where anyone could offer his/her services. In the course of that time all those involved in the Russian Internet business got there together. It does not matter what kind of business one was involed in, everything was welcome. Of adult porn to animal and child porn, everything was sold and marketed on this platform. Everyone offered their services: photographers, webmasters, programmers, designers and job applicants. Certain groups such as the so-called Lolita webmasters were ostracized by the Adult Webmasters - there were conflicts. Since pornography is illegal in Russia and all Eastern Bloc countries, it played no role in whether you are a only ittle bit illegal or a little bit more. Over the years, a combination of individual skills took place. Due to the increasing problems caused by censorship, hosting, billing and marketing, the various groups became more specialized and began working together. The best programmers and server administrators from Eastern Europe came together, mixed with the best document falsifiers, Carders (credit card fraud specialist), spammers and hackers who wrote and distributed the rootkits, viruses and trojans for years. And for special cases, the Russian organized crime was called to help in exceptional cases where one wanted the authorities to be more active to push an unwanted competitor out of the way, or to kill an idiot who couldn't keep their mouth shut. Even if the reality between webmasters was sometimes very dangerous, I was not aware of any violence against children and adolescents.

>>3763884
That was a really interesting article, thanks anon.

Damn these commies are truly godless.

Hardcore atheist.

CP is proof.

>>3763950
American guns? That's like saying American cars. Try Germany.

You know what's really fucked up? No one involved with LS has done any time in prison. Not...one...person, who photographed, distributed, posed, administered or profited from LS pics went to jail.

Square that with how many poor bastards have been v&'d for mere possession of a few thumbnails or sets.

I love the law.

>>3764041
I should say, according to that article, and the articles it links to, no one from LS went to prison.

oh dem filthy commies

>>3764022
we export hedonism, decadence and arrogance period. If you don't like it too bad.

>>3764075
FREEDOM!

And I'd say that the British (or the French) export way more arrogance than the Americans do.

how do these people make any money though? Nobody would be willing to pay online as it would give them away. And to pay offline, they would have to supply an address to send money to.

Until 2003, Japan was the biggest distrubutor of Child Porn, then they banned the distribution of it but it's still legal to view there.

Anyways, Japan is sicko because most models look like children and it's probably impossible to tell the difference between a Japanese 18yo porno and a 12yo porno. Some (over 18s) are OK as they actually do look 18, but most look like lolita and disgust me.

In Russia, everything's legal, pretty much. They hack and do CP (and probably also drugs) and aren't afraid of anything.

In after no one else bothers to read the article and posts their own assumptions.

>>3764139
As a guy who's currently very much in love with a Russian girl, this gives me great expectations.

They don't use men most of the time. It's usually just a woman coaching the girls to "play". They never really touch. That's how the professional operations work.

>>3764139

Japanese culture, is nothing but a cancer on humanity.

Watch videos of the photoshoots, they aren't very happy :(

That thing is fucking ugly. Jesus, eastern europeans! Please be bred out of the gene pool k thx

>>3764135
its used to be available to anyone, now pedos have their own private networks for sharing. Don't know how they make money either, perhaps they swap stuff.

>>3764224
Pedo is not about money it's about love :3

>>3763909
You know how most kids have a predisposition to not want to be in child porn? That's conditioned too.

>>3763950
Britain has Ingsoc.

>>3764041
And why should the LS people do time? The girls were willing, the parents gave consent and the pictures are not hardcore sex, but rather softcore posing. Wow, that is so evil. Or how about maybe we're overreacting to something that isn't really harmful. LS was magnificent. How about focusing on people who actually fuck children, typically a parent or other guardian?

>>3764259
you know kids are prepubescent and have no sexuality? That's just social conditioning. In the past people were born fully sexually developed, but now "society" won't allow it.

>>3764279
wow you seem so confident their priority was the welfare of the kids. Were you there observing?

>>3764300
I wish.

MOOTBL0CK

>>3764282
Kids do have sexuality, and they naturally experiment sexually with their peers. Are you saying you didn't? I sure as fuck did.

ITT: closet pedo type out their protest of banning child porn, while remaining safe from the FBI through proxy and the internet.

I have a feeling all the "chan" websites on the internet makes up 80% of the world's pedo. If the FBI put some serious work into it, they might be able to cleanse the world of pedo, well, at least 80% of them.

The rest of the 20% simply have their personal LOLI locked in basement and they dont surf the internet.

>>3764022

H&K fanboy spotted

>>3764365
>type out their protest of banning child porn, while remaining safe from the FBI

I thought the Amerikkkan country had freedom of speech...

>>3763950
Mexico has COKE
CHINA has slaves
Japan has pocket pussies and sex dolls
Brazil has guns and tourist organs

>>3764365
There are a lot of pedos on the chans, but I think you'll be disappointed to know the total pedo population FAR exceeds chan users. They are so populous they encompass every strata of the Internet. Dateline's To Catch a Predator is like casting a net in the ocean.

its not a continental thing with pedo, its a logic thing, the succsessful pedos are able to bargin and use logic to get what they want agressive failed pedos rape etc.

thats why some pedo pic the child looks really happy they have been given freedom to do what they want no force was used and in some they are kept in a basment for 25 years and raped over 3000 times.

pedo is srs bsns

same as grown ups, its all about playing the game.

oh shi...i just lost the game

>>3763961
>Since pornography is illegal in Russia and all Eastern Bloc countries
Yeah, nigger, tell me more. You do realise we probably have one of the most porn-infested segments of the Net, right?
Actually, the FSB here takes a keen interest in CP, but we have yet to see any raids or people jailed for posession. One crappy Russian chan even had a /cp/ board for a few days, with over 900 posts. I don't really care, not a pedo myself.

Ukraine is so fucked up.

>I have the 2001 statistics of a website containing naked pictures of children and adolescents. During the month of June 2001, a total of 200 million visits to the site took place

Christ. I can't believe the amount of sheer losers...

on the hidden cp island somwhere secret is a loli paridise for pedos, they are rich and have everything they want plus they are hidden and rich and have everything they want, like rich folk you see on MTV but pedo's

>Even Web sites that still exist, such as Met-Art.com bought productions in 2000 with 11-14 year old girls, and everything was billed through the very serious CCBill (this series are no longer at Met-Art Journal).

Oh man. Seriously read this:

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/My_life_in_child_porn

>>3763812
hmmm, you mean.... failed states with no government tend to allow children to be exploited/coerced? And that for all the complaining about it, Governments are actually Good?

CRAZY! LOWER TAXES! LESS GOVERNMENT!

>>3764496
I don't know why you're being sarcastic. Exploited children seems like a bonus to me.

>>3764344
>with their peers

and this is relevant to adults how?

INB4 they naturally love making pornos and allowing themselves to be posted all over the web.

>>3764496
There are a lot more poorer and shittier country than Ukraine and they dont distribute child porn like them.

>>3764576
I never said it was relevant to adults. If you read the GP you'd see that he said kids have no sexuality (in a sarcastic manner). That's simply not true.

Do you realize there are more than 200,000 child modeling images produced by LS studio alone? IF we take the article at face value, and estimate over 1000 models, and each set has at least 100 pictures, and many models did multiple sets...the mind boggles.

>>3764623
That's actually pretty close. In reality it's about 175,000 images.

>>3764672
Gotta catch em' all?

gigablock

*pukes*

nonudes websites is a dedicated child modeling website that has sexual poses with non naked kids they seem perfectly happy to do it.

I, for one, welcome our loli overlords.

im just jelous im not smart enough to be a pedo :(

Of course CP should be decriminalized. Liberal democratic justice is built on the harm principle. Nobody is harmed in fapping to CP and pornography has been proved to lower sex assault rates. The production should be what they focus on, and people who make money off it especially, but after it's on the interwebs it's just visual information being shared.

i want to have sex with a little loli

>>3764003
this thread makes me proud to be a Ukrainian :)
oh yeah, we are godless (most of us) except those damn sandniggers that keep coming to my country!

Our goverment is so fucked up right now, it just doesn't give a shit about such minor things as CP.

And yeah, for a price you can adopt a child here.

Corruption is the biggest problem. Criminal cartels and syndicates pay better than the government payrolls, so the police and military turn a blind eye to all kinds of shit.

>>3764848
Sandra teen model lives in Ukraine. You now have a mission, for the good of all mankind.

>>3764848
Congratulations, my good fellow

>A now-deceased Belgian psychoanalyst has also analyzed the phenomenon of so-called White marches and reactions of the public on child abuse. He came to very interesting results. Could it be that each of us harbours an unconscious, dark and unbearable desire for the child that one can "unload" by expressing and projecting anger towards a pedophile monster? Why is the public so eager to know EVERYTHING about cases of child abuse? The public leeches every perverse detail of such a story and the sensational media makes an excellent business. The most insidious of the whole subject of child pornography is the public discussion about things the speaker only has ideas about but has never seen.

This sounds like a really interesting study. Anyone know anything more about it?

>>3764877
Thats sickly disturbing, yet fascinating, im googling that.....


I've seen some cp floods when everyone went to christchan......Honestly.......I could never beat off or get hard from it, they all look in pain, half of them are crying as there fat dad shoves his dong into there 6 year old snatch, its just sad

>>3764778
nice troll

My understanding from the BBC is that new material is home made and only shared by pedos known to each other and similarly the past material is now only available within the networks. Law enforcement focuses on infiltrating these networks.

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>>3764982
>My understanding from the BBC
kekekekekekekekeke

>>3764982
I wasn't trolling. Try refuting my argument. Oh wait
>My understanding from the BBC blah blah
9/10

>In Great Britain the situation is not much better. Based on the theory that abuse victims become abusers themselves, the British government launched a database to identify all victims with the purpose of putting such persons under monitoring because they are under general suspicion, as former victims of abuse sometimes become abusers. The victims are now suspects themselves and are monitored as potential criminals. Since the end of 2008 there is (again) a new database with the purpose of collecting information about every child in the UK and their development in order to observe signs of abuse. I wonder just how long it will take until one of these databases leaks somewhere, or even gets lost in traffic - as has already happened with other UK databases. Should such a database fall into the hands of the Russians, they would again have solid content for new websites.


Well, that makes perfect sense.

>>3764041
>Not...one...person, who photographed, distributed, posed, administered or profited from LS pics went to jail.
>posed, administered or profited from LS pics went to jail.
>posed
VICTIMS OF CP SHOULD BE IN JAIL!!!!!!!! THEY ARE FILTHY CRIMINAL SCUM WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROLIFERATION OF HORRIBLE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!!! WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING SICKOS! STRUTTING AROUND IN THE NUDE, SUCKING FAT OLD MEN'S DICKS!!! ICK!

In other word: We are all closet pedo, deep within.

No wonder parents care so much about their underage children. They secretly yearns to fuck them.

OK so CP is still openly sold by cc and so on and the BBC description of how CP is made and distributed today is wrong?

and for the troll
>CP and pornography has been proved to lower sex assault rates

scientific study published in a peer reviewed journal plox

>Using a false identity and well-functioning credit card servers are then rented and domains purchased as an existing, unsuspecting person. Most of the time an ID is required and in that case they will simply send a forged document. There is yet another alternative: a payment system called WebMoney (webmoney.ru) that is in Eastern Europe as widespread as PayPal in Western Europe. Again, accounts are opened with false identities. Then the business is very simple in Eastern Europe: one buys domains and rents servers via WebMoney and uses it to pay.

this should be very easy to target. Just have interpol and the cc companies have a continually updated database that will refuse to process a transaction with the sites on the list, and cancel the card. Similarly tell webmoney to do the same or else all the cc companies will stop allowing their cards to be used with it. PayPal already does this so it should be easy for webmoney to.

ultimately it all comes back to a credit card transaction. Even if the card is fake and you can't catch the user, just blocking the transaction will choke off funds to the sites.

>>3765067
probably means posed in the sense of directing the child on how to pose.

>>3763812
they are still recovering from the crimerate spikes shortly after the collapse of the soviet union .

my home town is now full of neo-nazi heroine using sick fucking criminals , being a woman there is like playing stalker OL on hell, without weapons ,they rape fucking everything that looks like it has a vagina and the cops are corrupt they'll ignore rape for 50 gryvin .

>>3765122
No. Pornography has been proved to lower sex assaults. There are no reviews into the social impact of CP.

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_ovrvw.html

http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/NN/B/C/K/V/_/nnbckv.pdf

The logic is the same. If heterosexual pornography reduces a heterosexual person's propensity to rape then the same applies to CP and pedophiles.

>>3765321
mootblawcks

Where do you live?

>Effective prevention measures

which quickly turns into pedo justification. I agree it cannot be cured, only controlled. I also think allowing CP as a form of control is totally unacceptable and even if you disagree, you will at least agree that such a thing would never be allowed.

So the control has to be chemical castration. It's safe and it removes sexual desire, problem solved. I don't see any realistic alternative. Because ultimately its the sexual desire of pedophiles that is the root cause of all this.

>>3764930
One thing I've noticed from my morbid curiosity in CP floods is that all the childfuckers are incredibly obese. Isn't that a turn-off for pedos? I mean, if I'm looking at porn and some hairy fat pale hambeast of a man is dicking the chick, I'd be a little perturbed.

>>3765344
Dude. Pedophiles != child molesters.

You're saying that someone who has the POTENTIAL to commit a crime must be pre-emptively punished. Why don't we cut poor kids' hands off so they don't steal?

>>3765322
graph is for incarcerated rapists.
Drops isn sexual violence reflect all kinds of social changes, not just the availability of porn.

What we can say with reasonable confidence is availability of porn does not increase the likelihood of offending

However you must remember that rape porn featuring adults is just acting, whereas CP is real rape. Would you support the availability of footage of actual rapes, as opposed to fake rape of consenting adults? Thats what your logic implies.

>>3765396
no, only if they have committed a crime, including knowingly viewing CP. Otherwise how would we know they are pedos?

>>3765465
to clarify, I mean having a CP collection, or having paid for CP

yes. I mean wouldn't pedo's rather just be rid of their desire than have to life such a horrible life and having to delude themselves that children are able to consent?

I dislike rape porn, but since its acting I don't think it should be banned (unless it could be shown it did increase the likelihood of the viewer carrying out a real rape)

But to pretend CP isn't rape is sick. It's not possible to make CP where its just acting.

>>3765454
CP is not all rape. How can you call softcore posing rape? How can you call a 15 year old girl having sex willingly rape? It's fucking stupid.

0/10 pedophile troll faggot.

please exit the board. pedoblox

>>3765615
You still go to jail for it. HAHAHAHHAH>

Even adult women having sex WILLINGLY and HAPPILY with 15 years old boys go to jail.

WILLINGLY, HAPPILY, JOYFULLY and GOING TO JAIL-LY.

>>3765615
softcore posing of prepubescent children? Even leving aside the morality issue, the fact that it is illegal means these children are put in an incredible vulnerable position. It's never going to be legal so purchasing it is going to facilitate abuse.

How can you be so naive as to think thats all thats going on when they know legally it makes no difference if they just have them pose or if they also rape them off camera.

It comes back to pedos refusal to acknowledge the vulnerability of a child to emotional manipulation, and how this makes them different from adults.

also bringing up JB when you know full well whats being discussed is prepubescent children is such a dated debating tactic.

>>3765615
It's illegal. So if you are willing to take the risk of buying it you are showing you are incapable of fulfilling your sexual desire using legal porn and that you have difficulty controlling your desires. Which makes you a potential danger who needs to be chemically castrated.

The question is how do we stop CP being produced. We can't just give up and say its too difficult. If chemical castration reduces demand, I say do it.

>>3765707
In your scenario it's the lack of distinction in the illegality of posing and actually fucking that endangers the child. Might as well fuck a kid if you'll go to jail just as long for taking pictures of it taking a bath, right?

>>3765744
Who buys it? It's easier to steal it. And how is legal porn supposed to fulfill these desires when legal porn does nothing to address them beyond having 30-year olds in pigtails pretending to be a highschool girl? Looking at pictures or videos is not an immoral act and it endangers nobody. The only argument you anti-pedo fags have is that buying it supports abuse, but most distribution on the net is non-monetary. To think looking at something warrants chemical castration is beyond insane.

>>3765778
You can't stop it being produced. It's a natural part of all societies throughout history. You can no more suppress it than you can suppress drug usage.

All fathers, uncles, grandfathers, etc. should be forced to wear chastity belts in the presence of underage girls. And by underage I do mean under 18, or maybe even 21. We live in a society sufficiently advanced that we could enforce such a law and I think it would prevent the majority of child abuse.

Ok, OP here, I just visited 12chan and tried to fap to the jailbait there.

Didnt work, my dick was limp all the way, I'm not disgusted or anything, it just doesnt work, its like some kind of natural instinct telling me that children will not be able to safely pass on my genes, it's telling me that I need a fertile adult woman.

So I downloaded some MILF porn and I came buckets.

Go figure. :(

>>3765971
You're a god damn tool.

Girls are originally supposed to give birth to their first baby in age around 12-14. Jailbait is around those ages and actually usually higher (14-16). The higher the age of the pregnant person is, the more likely it is to have complications in the pregnancy and that the baby will have Down Syndrome or something else.

>>3766073

Having a politically correct sexual preference doesnt make me a tool, it's a coincidence.

Being a closet pedo like you however ..........

Derp derp whoopeedooda derp. :D

>>3765344

We must castrate everyone to lower heterosexual adult rape rates.

>>3766165
0/10

>Being a closet pedo like you however ..........

This gave it away. Way too obvious baiting intended to make me rage.

>>3766073
14-16 are women, and I can totally fap to them.
12 isn't a woman yet.

lol at the pedo victimhood here. I love how they blame the children. Face it, you have a sexual preference which you cannot ever fulfill without committing a crime, and a very serious one at that (based on the level of punishment). And you can't dismiss it as not really being a crime because -guess what- you are not running society.

It's society at large that decides whats a crime, not you. Doesn't matter if you think its unfair or irrational, its the law and if you break it, the vast majority of people, including yours truly believe you should be severely punished. If its true chemical castration works, I'd fully support a law introducing it.

>>3766282

Yes, but you see, the politicians making the laws -are-.

>>3765744

Chemical castration of every man alive is the only solution. Also blinding them and rupturing their eardrums because if they see or hear a child an immoral thought might arise in their head. They may even vent their anger at forced castration then out on the child in the form of violence, regardless of any lack of sexual desire. So naturally we need to isolate all males from the population and put them in solitary confinement so they can't accidentally encounter a child.

Finally, the children are safe :D

Well except for the boys, as they'll naturally need to be castrated/blinded/shackled.

>>3765685

>Even adult women having sex WILLINGLY and HAPPILY with 15 years old boys go to jail.

Protip: Not everyone here lives in the USA. Just because you have some fucked up laws over there it doesn't mean the rest of the world is equally retarded.

Where I live it's completely legal for grown ups to have sex with 14/15 year olds, male or female doesn't matter at all.

Yeah, you got told.

>>3765971
MILFs are fucking ugly, bro, sounds like you just got shitty taste.

>>3766282

>If its true chemical castration works, I'd fully support a law introducing it.

You're childishly naive if you think that would stop future pedophiles from sprouting up.

>>3766278

>12 isn't a woman yet.

Little do you know, bro, little do you know.

>>3766330
only a tiny % of men are sexually attracted to prepubescent children to a degree which would cause them to actually look for illegal material and therefore present a risk to children.

Your argument is yet more pedo victimhood crap where you act as if its totally irrational for people to be concerned about child abuse or CP and then try to draw as many non pedos into your argument as possible.

Usually its guys who acknowledge JB are hot (but don't feel any need to look for JB porn) but you, sir, have actually dragged all males in. Your level of delusion is truly a sight to behold. (unless you are a troll, in which case, congratulations on trolling me)

>>3766353
That was a femanon. It talked about "passing on it's genes" like that really matters.

>>3766372
it's to stop them committing crimes, not to eliminate them from the genepool. As far as I know it's not genetic anyway.

>>3766278
the prophet mohammed disagrees strongly and damns you to hell for all eternity for insulting his gorgeous 8 year old wife.

Hi there,
I just wanted to post here to say something.
When I was 19, and my girlfriend was 17. We fucked all the time and took pictures.

I had a party at my apt busted, and one of the cops unknown to me sat on the computer and started dicking around.

They tried to charge me with manufacture of child pornography.

The cops were dead fucking serious locked me up until my trial two weeks later.

Then the judge laughed in the arresting officers all-to-serious face and said theres nothing wrong with it because she was my long time girlfriend, and I obviously see her naked and have sex with her all the time, so why is it a serious accusation if I take a picture or video so I can jerk off to her instead of having to download porn of the net where the girls are all doped out and disgusting (He auctually said something along those lines, nicer words though)

>>3766385

I'm simply mocking the overblown and wayward effort at combating the issue, as it's the proverbial torture porn for the zealot anti-pedo's. Hell you might as well just go full lobotomy and be done with it, or maybe executions?

See the presumption that it's a straight up "stop the boner, the children are saved" issue shows the level of ignorance involved with you. There are deeper psychological issues involved with many pedo's. Maybe they won't be slamming their dicks in a kid, but they'll act out their fantasies in other methods, perhaps even more violent ones.

>>3766282
Fuck moral relativism. In Saudi Arabia the majority thinks the victim of rapes should be punished, doesn't make it so. Also, I don't see anyone blaming children, wtf are you even talking about?

>>3766348

Canada rules.

I cant see how anyone can make a constructive argument about how it can be acceptable for a child to have sex with an adult.
All children have a natural curiosity about their genitals from a early age but they dont want to be penetrated

>>3766425
Oh, and I wanted to ad this, while locked up awaiting trial for having pictures and video of me and my girlfriend fucking. They treated me like shit. I only at the food that came sealed because first day there was a cigarette butt (non smoking jail) in my potatos, and every night the night gaurd would open my door and yell WAKE UP and leave, 3-4 times a night. If i fell asleep during the day, they used an air horn.

Oh, and they also told everyone else who was there so it wasn't safe to leave my cell.

The icing on the cake? when i got my computer back, THEY FUCKING BROKE IT

>>3766425
>>3766497

I'd say you're lucky at least the judge had some common sense.

>>3766497

Cops judge too, and they need no evidence.

>>3766473
I'm not sure anyone's making the argument that adults should be allowed to fuck children. What I've seen in this thread are people making the argument that LOOKING at such pictures/videos shouldn't be illegal. That it's not the same as fucking a child, more like a thought crime. Fucking a child and looking at a picture of a child getting fucked are not the same thing, no matter how you slice it. And by the way, how fucked up is it that I can watch videos of witches being burned alive in Africa and then a series of executions by throat cutting in Russia, then some Russian psycho fuck teens hammering a man to death and all of that's perfectly acceptable because I didn't commit these crimes, but the minute someone mentions something like LS pictures it's as if you're fucking Stalin when these pictures don't even involve sex or masturbation, etc, let alone brutal violence? Does anyone think anymore, or do you just go by how you feel?

>>3766497
I know you aren't going to like what I have to say, but you totally deserved the treatment you received. You knew the law. You knew you were breaking it. There SHOULD be severe consequences for fucking an underage girl. It's wrong morally, and it's wrong legally. You want me to have sympathy for you, but I have NONE. Your kind would be best in a gutter, bleeding out.

>>3766457
we live in democracies where people elect their governments, who set the laws. Thats what gives them legitimacy.
INB4 we don't live in democracies, its all a mind control conspiracy.

>>3766442
and pedo justification isn't overblown? I said if chemical castration worked I'd support it for convicted pedophiles. If it didn't work, then obviously the current tagging and monitoring will have to do until a more effective way is found.

>>3766543
those pics were made because of commercial demand. Without active pedos, they would never have happened. It's a completely different scenario.

>>3766576
he's a troll, don't bother with him.

>>3766602
Who cares that they happened though? How were the children in those pictures hurt?

>>3766587
Chemical castration for molesters or for thought criminals? What about for "pedophiles" like the guy in this thread who was charged for pictures of his slightly underage girlfriend?

>>3766609
I don't know, I sort of agree with him. A clean break in the law is easiest. If you step over that line you get fucked. Fucking a 17 year old is illegal, end of story. Prosecute without special treatment, it's fair and simplest to enforce.

>>3766618
who cares? Most people in our society care.

how were they hurt? IF they just posed nude, and thats a big if, they were still too young to give informed consent. And parents are not allowed to give consent for their children to be involved in an illegal act.

Maybe some will say they are ok with it when older, but you can be sure not all of them will. And theres no way to tell in advance who will be ok and who won't. Because they are too young to decide for themselves, and nobody else is competent to make the decision for them.young to

>>3766648
Yeah, we should always do whatever's easiest. Jackass.

>>3766576
Uh, for me being `19 and having a girlfriend who was `17, shut the fuck up troll.

>>3766648
It's also completely stupid and makes absolutely no sense. You aren't protecting anybody in that scenario.

>>3766587

I never did any justifying for the pedos here. All I did was roll my eyes at the classic mouth breather HULK SMASH mentality too many bring to the discussion.

There's no silver bullet to cure pedophilia, just like there isn't a silver bullet to cure violent or other abusive tendencies in a person.

you know, the only reason having sex with a child is illegal is because the people that actively do it are creepy fucks and are out to use and abuse the children

if child sex was initiated by the children themselves alot of people wouldn't have a problem with it

>>3766634
for convicted pedophiles I said. This includes people who actively seek out CP, even if they don't pay for it.

As for the 19/17 yr old- with JB there would have to be a degree of legal flexibility. For example a 30 yr old knowingly having sex with an under the age of consent girl (which is usually an under 16) should be given the punishment, but not someone a year or 2 older. A 19 year old knowing making pornographic images of an under 18- I think they should be monitored to see if they repeat the behavior, to show if they are a genuine risk or just an idiot.

Fucking a 17 year old at 19 is legal in most jurisdictions and was obviously legal in his, you retards. The problems was taking pictures of it, not doing it.

Proof that people angry about cp are more concerned with being sadistic than morality, the law, or the welfare of the "victim".

>>3766686
I wasn't saying you made pedo justification arguments, just pointing out you were moved to respond to the anti pedo arguments but not them.

And as I said perhaps no complete cure, but a reduction of the risk of reoffending is still better than releasing them with no controls at all.

>>3766704
Actually, most parents punish their children for attempting to initiate sex.

>>3766543

Having seen some LS photo sets when they were still considered to be art (ome of the sets were going beyond the pale imo) Im not judging others by their preferences. At the time, like a considerable amount of others, I realised that I was looking at images through a loophole that would be eventually closed.
A line had to be drawn in the sand, and once it was drawn, rightly or wrongly, that was the end for me.

>>3766737
>>3766754
im the 19 year old dude.

The kinda main point is that these videos and images were never ment to be viewed besides anyone but me and her.
The program we used kept track of how many times the video's were watched. Most had 1, maybe 2 views. I can see if i was sending pictures to people, but it was a personal thing between to people in a long term relationship

>>3766671
There's nothing to indicate that they did anything but pose nude. Making the assumption of sexual abuse is not logically valid.

Who gives a fuck about if parents can LEGALLY give consent for their children, I'm talking morals here. The parents did give consent, though it may not be legally recognized. Do you think laws are always right no matter what? If we accept the idea that parents can give consent for their children, or in addition to the consent of the child, then of what worth are legal boundaries to it?

How can we be sure many won't be okay with posing nude when older? You have a special device with which you can prognosticate? Further, what is the consequence of them not being okay with it fifteen years down the line? What tangible harm is there? As adults they will surely make many decisions they are not okay with later, should they be legally prevented from doing things they MAY later regret? I don't see any difference in terms of consequence to the person in making a decision they later regret as a child or as an adult. And I don't see how it's reasonable to assume that because they made these decisions as a child they have a high probability of later regretting them. Finally, I don't see how these decisions could have been so harmful to them that later regretting them will somehow ruin their lives or cause some other unspecified but egregious harm that is in any way greater than the consequences of regret in adulthood.

>>3766823
nah, don't buy it. If you can't tell there and then that informed consent is being given, it shouldn't be happening. And parents cannot consent to have their child do something illegal, regardless of morality.

And enough already about the law. If its enacted by a democratic government or a group of them together, then it is legitimate.

Personal beliefs as to its rightness or wrongness are just that, its still legitimate regardless of how you feel about it and you can't break it without committing a crime, even if in your head you think you are not doing anything wrong.

>>3766812
you should have waited till she was 18.

>>3766704

>...is because the people that actively do it are creepy fucks...

This is actually complete bullshit. Given, some of them are, but the vast majority is just people like you and me, those you would never think of as "such perverts"
Those "monsters" you might have seen in TV are not representative at all.

>>3766868
Sure, but who's disputing legality here? We all more or less know the laws and the consequences of breaking them. Pointing out the obvious does nothing to end such a debate, it's only a side topic. Saying it's illegal does nothing to resolve an argument over whether x SHOULD be illegal.

I agree lines have to be drawn. 17 is too old IMO but still there has to be a line drawn because it's totally impractical to decide on a case by case basis when a person is capable of giving informed consent. And its better to err on the side of caution.

>>3766892
Moreover, actual abuse overwhelmingly occurs within the family (not counting looking at pictures on the intertubes as abuse, hurrrr durrrrr), the last place most people look and are willing to accept.

>>3766898
of course you can argue if something should be illegal or not, but the law at any given time is what you have to obey. So anything deemed CP by the current laws is illegal and you will be punished by the law if you are caught breaking it.

If you want to argue that prepubescent children should be allowed to pose nude knock yourself out, but unless the law changes, they shouldn't be and people shouldn't posses such material.

>>3766877
19 year old guy again, its funny, if I lived in europe wouldnt have mattered.

I think 16 year olds should be allowed. Thats the earliest, and most of the world has that policy.

A hell of a lot more child pornography comes from the ukraine and the russian federation than Japan, but we shit all over Japan as lolicon country because we're racist pieces of shit

>>3766898
IF it was legal for kids to pose nude, then it would be above ground and monitored and the children would be a lot safer form any off camera abuse. But its not legal, so its underground and theres no way to know if they are safe, so even if you ignore the law, the fact that it has to be done in an underground way makes it morally wrong to participate in it by creating demand for material. Or do people think thats morally fine?

>>3766937
Yet again, you're only pointing out the obvious. WE KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL. Saying it over and over does nothing to enhance the power of your argument.

>but the law at any given time is what you have to obey
No, one must only appear to obey the law. I'm positive many of us in here don't obey a wide variety of laws, be it for selfish or well-reasoned moral reasons. The only thing we're interested in maintaining, and MUST maintain, is the appearance of conformity to these laws. Nothing more.

>>3766998
The immorality in your example is with the law, not the participants. FAIL.

>>3766948
actually the pics would still be illegal. AOC is usually 16, but age for porn is still 18

>>3767009
That's exactly not what he was saying

>>3766982

There's a difference between being known as the country which produces child pornography, and the country which produces child pornography with tentacles and oversized penises.

>>3767009
what? the law is immoral? you mean you get to decide what laws are legitimate and act accordingly? can anybody do that if they don't like a law?

A quick question.

Salty milk?

>>3767001
but if caught you must accept that you broke the law and accept the consequences. Which are not pretty.

>>3767034
I said in his example, you fucking idiot. In his example, making it legal made it way safer for children. Given that, and then given that making it illegal makes it less safe, the fault lies with the law and not the participants.

It's kind of disgusting that the only arguments against CP that are being made are pseudo-relativistic, legalist arguments. I hope none of you actually believes that what is legal is what is moral, as the philosophy of laws in liberal democratic society is the exact opposite.

>>3767001
people here mostly disobey copyright laws. I don't think theres much else illegal going on here.

Its a big fucking difference between that and ignoring CP laws.

>>3767065
no I meant given the current situation, it is immoral to demand images such as these.

you can say kids would be better off if it was legal, but thats not the current situation.

>>3767072
What makes it worse is that these people think that the defense of one law is the defense of society as we know it.

>>3767053
No, I "must" not accept the consequences. I may be imprisoned against my will, but I am never obligated to accept it.

>>3767072

I would suggest that the main argument is whether or not humans are just another species of animal.
I cant off hand think of another species that has a fascination with males or females that have not reached reproductive maturity.
But I could be wrong

>>3767072
making moral arguments against it is pointless because morality is an individual thing whereas the law applies to everyone equally.

If a pedo thinks its morally ok, I'm not going to have a moral discussion with them, because its not about changing their minds, its pointing out that they are wrong from a legal standpoint, which is a concrete position they can't dispute.

It would be nice if it was easy to convince pedos that it is morally wrong to indulge their desires but its not easy and just becomes futile.

>>3767072
>the philosophy of laws in liberal democratic society

You're not only crazy, but just plain retarded. Do you have assburgers? Were your parents related? I mean really, what kind of bullshit disorder are you going to pull out of your ass when you get v&?

>>3767087
How so? Both are illegal, and since this is a democratic society disobeying these apparently legitimate laws is immoral. What is this big difference?

>>3767123
well not accept then, comply is a better word.

>>3767155
the harm being done. but I guess you don't see that.

>>3767034
It's called civil disobedience and it was one of the primary tactics of the civil rights movement. The discriminatory laws we had in the 50s weren't overturned by asking nicely.

When there's cases of the children themselves being prosecuted under "child protection" laws, it's obvious that the law is broken.

>>3767148
Morality is not individual. If it was, then laws would equate to morals, which is completely absurd. Also, perhaps the reason you can't convince pedos it is morally wrong to look at pictures/videos of children is because there is no convincing argument establishing its immorality. You FEEL its wrong, but nobody can come up with a cogent, logical reason for it being wrong that cannot be dashed to pieces cursorily.

>>3767148
But nobody is disputing whether it's legal, dimwit. This is a discussion whether is should be legal, which you are failing hard at.

>>3766982
Why not be racist against filthy Slavs as well? They're certainly economically inferior to Japan, America and the rest of Europe.

>>3767158
You're still operating under the same mistaken assumptions. I must not obey the law or comply with the consequences of breaking it. There is nothing to MAKE me do any of the above. I may end up incarcerated if I steal a car, but I must not comply with the arresting officers, the judge, the prison officials, etc. Who cooperates willingly in their own punishment, particularly if they believe such punishment to be immoral?

>>3767172
Really? You think the economic losses of piracy haven't contributed to the current state of the global economy? How is that better or worse than the imaginary consequences of seeing a child getting fucked in the past?

>>3767247

So you've morally distanced yourself from CP because someone else did it a long time ago?

This thread is hilarious. A summation of the arguments:

Pedophile: Prosecuting the possession of CP is a thought crime, and as such, is unjust.

Anti-pedophile: QUESTIONING THE JUSTNESS OF LAWS IN WRONG BAWWWWW I HOPE YOU GET ASS RAPED IN PRISON BAWWWWW

There's certainly an argument to be made against CP, but serious repressed psychological issues (i.e. most likely pedophilia) are stopping you from making a proper argument, instead using the thread to express angst nobody really cares about.

>>3767280
Well, YES. I didn't do it, just like I didn't kill the American soldier in the beheading video I just watched. I'm not culpable for either crime.

a lot of points to answer, but the key one is I don't see the point in arguing the morality with pedos not because there aren't strong arguments (I would base it around capacity for informed consent), but because pedos simply don't listen to these arguments.

They've made their mind up its ok and thats that. It doesn't weaken my position to acknowledge that. Now if the positions were reversed and CP was legal, then I would obviously have to make a moral argument for it to be criminalized, but since its illegal, my position is the onus is on them to persuade me, not the other way around.

And again, the harm debate. I accept you believe no harm is being done to the children, but to me it is a terrible crime which is fully justified in being illegal, while piracy, while still a crime, lacks anything like the sheer depravity of CP. I know that is a moral argument which you will dismiss as hyperbole but that my feelings on the matter

>>3766602
So I suppose that it's ok for people to demand pictures and videos of people being murdered brutally.

It's honestly fucking stupid to demonize sexuality and nudity to children. We have so many more important things to take care of.

>>3767303
but was that video made to satiate your sexual desires or did it get made for an altogether different reason which had nothing to do with your or your fellow minded associates desires? Thats the difference.

>>3767378
and CP is one of them.

I AM GOING TO BUILD A TIME MACHINE

AL PEDOS AND PEDO-LOVERS WILL BE FUCKED IN THE ASS AT THE AGE OF 10 BY A VERY ANGRY LARGE DICKED MAN FROM THE FUTURE

unless that is what creates their their pedo urges?!
time paradox!

>>3767378
no the point is if there was a demand for beheading videos a lot more of them would be made. Because there's no money to be made from it, its only being made by islamic fanatics trying to make a political point.

The logic of your argument is that the ukranians would be making beheading videos for beheading fetishists who would pay them for doing it, in other words the existence of the sexual desire would be the primary reason for the existence of the videos.

>>3767376
Again, this a debate about possesion CP, not the raping of children. The only argument that has been made so far is that it increases demand for the act to be done so that similar materials can be made. However, this argument isn't substantiated by any of evidence of an actual correlation, and it can be applied to many other things that will never be illegal, such as obsessive news reports and popular documentaries about serial killers, for example.

>>3767400
So the only reason one should be illegal and the other not is its intended audience. WTF man, the intended audience of beheading videos is to recruit more militants who KILL people, but because the other video is sexually enticing (and recruits nobody who isn't already of such a disposition), it is the one that should be illegal? Great logic there.

>>3767297
stopping who? Everyone except pedos accepts the need for preventing them from reoffending once released. If chemical castration proved a useful tool, why not use it. I mean either way the point is to stop them ever looking at cp again or having unsupervised contact with children, so in a way the castration wound be a blessing for them as it would remove the frustration this would cause. Assuming it works of course

>>3767400

>Thats the difference.

No it's not. That would lead into "thought crimes" which is a completely other discussion.
A criminal act was recorded. That's bad.
Should watching or sharing this be a criminal act? If so, gore has to be treated like CP.
Should it be only forbidden when someone finds this sexually arousing? That's where the thought crime begins.

>>3767506
you're deliberately ignoring the demand argument. Do 4channers and the like who watch the beheading vids demand more, try to find a way to pay for it, alert unscrupulous individuals that there is money to be made from making these vids? Its a false comparison.

It's like gore. Some people find it hot, but theres no evidence people are being killed just to satisfy the sexual desires of gore fetishists.

Whereas kids are being abused just to satisfy the sexual desire of pedos

>>3767552
No, I ignored it because it's a straw man. These assumptions you make about demand driving CP production are false. How many commercial CP sites are there in existence? I know of none. Most of this stuff is made by "amateurs" (a relative term as I'm not sure there are really professionals) for noncommercial sharing. And as for the beheading videos, YES, there is a commercial demand for them. A lot of these gore sites are commercially driven, through ads and subscriptions. It is absurd to think this demand spurs the production of new gore, however, and it is just as absurd to try and use that argument for CP.

>>3767549
When society deems is a sexual act with someone who shouldn't be doing it. Not thought crime because one person finds it sexual.
Because the entire purpose of the imagery is encouraging and feeding the idea that child pornography is ok, sexualising young girls who can't consent. Alongside the gravity of the images being shared. A gore picture might shake a family if they found it, might make people go "wtf."
If child porn was freely distributed, the victims could relive the trauma again and again. Have their lives ruined etc etc.

Now I'm sure there'd be the same law for adults fucking mentally retarded people who can't give consent. If it was a large issue, but there aren't huge fields of sick fucks pretending that it's ok.

It doesn't matter though : Sick fucks will never convince anyone but their deluded paedo selves :(

>>3767180
I want to see pedos engaging in civil disobedience. DO IT!!!

>>3767586
The desires of the pedos making it, and the production of the gore videos (in the ones where a crime is committed, that is) satisfies a need in the producer of that video, though most of the time it probably isn't sexual. The people who who watch either fuel the further production of each time in the same way, which is to say, not at all.

OMG HOW DARE THE CHILDREN BE HAPPY WHEN THEY'RE TAKEN NUDES PICTURES. I MEAN, THEY HAVEEE TO BE MISERABLE. CAUSE THATS HOW IT IS IN THE UNITED STATES. WE CONTROL EVERY SOCIETY IN THE WORLD. ONLY OUR WAY IS RIGHT. AND NAKED PICTURES OF CHILDREN= WRONG

>>3767655
its true that today, CP is mostly made by molesters But the videos get distributed because they get other videos in return. This is still a form of payment. Just because its not cash doesn't mean it doesn't reflect demand. Why would they take the risk of distributing it otherwise?

>>3767664

>A child porn picture might shake a family and the victim if they found it, might make people go "wtf."
If gore was freely distributed, the families could relive the trauma again and again. Have their lives ruined etc etc.

I just exchanded a bit. Read it again. Makes sense, doesn't it?

>>3767680
you know full well its the additional risks they face from being involved in an underground industry thats the biggest problem. Do you really think they are totally safe from any additional harm? It's the fact that you can block this from your mind as you enjoy the pics that makes you a sicko

>>3767719
I don't know why they risk sharing it in the first place, honestly, especially since they have obviously have a child through which they can satisfy their sexual desires. Any CP I've seen has been freely distributed and not on the basis of bartering. This conjectural barter economy you're positing is composed entirely of producers, which this entire thread I have agreed are committing a crime. How is demand among leechers contributing to this demand in a concrete way? The mere act of viewing is not economical in and of itself, it can only be such in specialized environments which we have no proof exist, but in any case would be limited in scope.

>>3767759
So make it above ground, duh. AGAIN, and I'm getting tired of repeating the obvious, the problem in that scenario is the laws making it an underground venture.

>>3767741
No it doesn't.

Because if the person died, they're gone. The families will be distressed but CP

Well that will destroy the persons self confidence with such an invasion of privacy, which they didn't give informed consent too because they were groomed. Sexual trauma, which has deep psychological issues. The huge embarrassment.

Even a torture video of someone getting sliced open slowly and they survived, it'd be traumatic but there'd be a general consensus of feelings by everyone. The CP is in the sexual realm, something that is considered personal and on a completely different level is somebody saw it.

You probably can't see the difference because you've inoculated yourself to think there isn't any damage from your paedo ways.

>>3767741
no you don't get it. Informed consent FFS. For a dead body the issue is moot. Unless they were killed in order to produce gore material.

If people were widely distributing footage of real rape, lets say you being raped by a man who kidnapped you and brought you to a production studio to film an involuntary gang-bang scene with a bunch of other guys, would you be cool with it.

because thats what CP is, sexual abuse.

>>3767794
It will NEVER be above ground. So you have to work on the basis of the outlined scenario.

In a "Children of men" type scenario, where there were no children, would CP still be illegal?

>>3767800
>Even a torture video of someone getting sliced open slowly
Sounds hot, where can I find this very legal footage so I can fap to it?

>>3767840
god help the poor pedos if that happened lol

>>3767759
Well, you can blame american agencies for making it so underground and "dangerous." If they werent busy policing the whole world with stupid bullshit like this, instead of trying to fix its own shit, it wouldn't be so "dangerous" in the CP business.
Though I still dont know what danger you're talking about. And no, I dont know full well what additions risks those are.. the only one risking their lives making the stuff are the producers. The kids are only there to be taken pictures of.. if you've read the life in CP story, you'd know this.

Theres really no point in trying to stop this.. its kind of like drugs. It exists and its here to stay. no matter how much you try to thwart it, it will never go away. Just face it.. that's this world for you.

>>3767840
How the fuck would they even have CP then, buck-o?

and assuming it's of the few children left, of course it'd be fucking illegal.

You want the only chance for humanity's survival to be molested a lot?

>>3767840
Who cares. I'd still be fapping to oldass CP.

>>3767886
life in CP story is clearly written by a pedo as seen in the last passage.

It's not just America, EU and every western country but Japan is just as strict.

Who says the drugs problem can't be solved. what about the antibodies being developed that render drugs ineffective? Kind of an ironic similarity to chemical castration. Given time we will have the tech to eliminate drug use and pedophilia.

>>3767833
Never say never. It was legal in Sweden until the early 80s, where mainstream pron companies produced CP (Color Climax). I'd quote MLK Jr., but I know you tards hate blacks too.

>>3767903
didnt know old pictures disappeared after a while.

The "viewing does not equal harm" pedofag here,
It's been fun guys, but I've got to go. My daughter should be just waking up just about now.

>>3767969
MLK talked about CP?

>>3767816
>>3767800

>Because if the person died, they're gone. The families will be distressed but CP
>For a dead body the issue is moot.

So you say it would be better if I first abuse and then kill the kid? Should it be more legal then?

>>3767903
As the wikileaks article says, there are two kinds of CP producers. Commercial and "personal" (sick malicious relatives). The latter is far more destructive to the kids. If commercial CP production goes under, the only CP available will be homebrew. No more smiley kiddies having an adventure, just more and more children being grotesquely tortured and scarred for life.

Sandra, world famous Ukrainian child model, is currently living a perfectly normal life. She has a boyfriend, friends, she goes to parties. She turns 18 soon and she's going out of the modelling business. She's been involved in softcore CP (let's face it, that's what it is) since she was 8. Her own mother was her manager. They were the epitome of commercial CP production, post-Soviet money-grabbing, etc. etc.

Kids who get anally raped and beaten while being fucked by a relative will not live such happy lives.

That is why I don't think governments should focus on commercial production, which is the only chance in hell these kids who are inevitably going to be involved in CP can get out of it unscathed. Take that away and the vacuum will be filled by homemade CP production, which is far more dangerous because it's deliberately made to a low standard and no attention is paid to the welfare of the children.

I don't normally make pro-capitalist arguments, but commercial CP, because it's competitive, does not generally involve abuse. It is therefore not imperative that governments crack down on it. Better for them to find out where the hardcore rape shit is coming from by infiltrating private networks.

That said, governments are less interested in actually protecting children than in meeting quotas to feed to the tabloid media.

>>3768035
no, you know thats not what is being said. The point is photographing a dead body WHOSE DEATH YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHATSOEVER is not the same thing a molesting a child. Get it?

>>3763812
how the fuck is the fact that the children look happy a bad thing?

Has anyone besides me noticed the increase in pedos on the net has coincided with the increase in rabid atheism and liberalism?

>>3768069
look, its not going to be legalized, so the moral choice is do you overlook the risk children face in the underground industry or do you find it troubling. The fact you advocate legalizing from a child welfare pov suggests you do find it troubling.

>>3768082
No, the point is looking at a photograph of a dead body and a photograph of a fucked child, neither of which you took, is morally equivalent.

>>3768069
Just imagine if LS Magazine hadn't been raided... those kids made a living out of that. They got paid. Their parents got paid. Everyone is happy.

Unlike homemade CP.. that shit is just brutal.

Comparing the two kinds are like comparing Playboy with real rape pics.. they just arent the same at all.. but of course, most people cant, or dont want to, understand this.

>>3768104
The internet was never conservative, chucklenuts

>>3768116
no they are not because the child was fucked specifically for you and your fellow pedos, whereas the dead body was just someone who diesd and would be dead regardless if pics got taken

>>3768082

>The point is photographing a dead body WHOSE DEATH YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHATSOEVER is not the same thing a molesting a child.

WATCHING AND FAPPING TO CP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MOLESTING OR RAPING A KID.

GET IT?

>>3768131
whatever, it was illegal and this was bound to happen. Sorry but is just going to be illegal, whether you accept their reasoning or not, people want it to be. So the moral choices you face have to be made in this context.

>>3768104
Spoilers: Every social outcast flees to the internet to voice their opinions in a safe way without repercussions nowadays. Especially *gasp* anonymous boards such as 4chan.

Its not surprising you see more pedos, fags, traps, furries and all kinds of people that would get ostracized in the real world here..

>>3768149

>child was fucked specifically for you and your fellow pedos

Nope. The child would have been fucked anyways.
The pedo just filmed it and decided to share it.

>>3768158
yes it does! The kid was molested so people could watch and fap to it.
If it wasn't for pedos children wouldn't get molested, but people would still be killed in accidents and pics be taken, at the scene and at the autopsy, regardless of whether or not there were gore fans

>>3768205
decided to share it lol. The only reason someone would share something as illegal as that is in the expectation of reward.

>>3768210

>The kid was molested so people could watch and fap to it.

Not at all, sorry to break it to you. The kid was molested by the molestor for his own pleasure.

I'm very sure noone rapes a Kid and makes a Video just for others to watch it without enjoying it himself.

>>3768230
I think those guys molesting their kids do it to one up other guys like them.. kind of like a competition.. its sad.

Unless groups that profited from their pics such as LS Magazine.. they was no abuse there.. just models getting paid for their work.

just because you didn't make the cp or got it for free doesn't mean you have no culpability. You got it free because theres demand for it and people wanting to make money will notice the demand and make more of it. If there was no evidence of demand, there would be no CP being made for profit and people molesting their own kids wouldn't be "sharing" their vids

What about child modeling? Is it okay if the girl's clothed?

>>3768258
yeah a lot of that abuse is committed in order to get more vids from other pedos. And you can be sure they get requests for various acts which the original abuser wouldn't have done otherwise.

Yes these people would still abuse their kids, but the whole community thing makes it worse.

>>3768286
also their online buddies may arrange a meet up to abuse each other kids.

>>3768230

>The only reason someone would share something as illegal as that is in the expectation of reward.

How comes you can download them via Filesharing then? Totally free. No money involved.
What kind of reward do you mean? Money? Fame?

>>3768268
The correct question is: is it legal if the girl is clothed. Because then we are back to the underground vs overground thing.

Again you may say the laws are silly, but they are the laws and theres no getting round that.

>>3768260
That is a very specious argument. Got anything concrete to back it up? No? Didn't think so, fuck off. You don't like it because you FEEL it's wrong, admit it. You have no logical justification for looking being illegal.

>>3768303
videos from other people on their network. See

>>3768296
>>3768286
>>3768258

>>3768331
so people hollering on pedoboards for moar has no bearing at all on perception of demand? I don't follow your logic

>>3768332
see
>>3768257

mewtblks

>>3768310
Are you trolling me?

"The correct question is not whether it's okay to smoke marijuana, the question is whether it's legal to smoke marijuana"
"The correct question is not whether it's okay to drink 10 beers a day, it's whether it's legal to drink 10 beers a day"
"The correct question is not whether it's okay give loans to people who most likely cannot pay you back for overly-high interest rates and then sieze their personal property to pay their unfair loans, the question is whether it's legal"

legal!=ethical

>>3768310
Also note that I wasn't making an assertion regarding the legal or ethical status of clothed modeling, I was putting it as an interesting question. If you care what's legal and what's illegal, that's your problem. Maybe you should go into law-enforcment.

Also, I believe that in some instances it's theoretically possible for an underaged girl to be a legitimate model without any abuse occuring, I also believe that often there is a great deal of abuse and exploitation involved.

>>3768373
so you feel theres no need to establish the legal status before going ahead and treating this stuff as if it is legal and assuming that buying it is perfectly ok?

PS if you aren't willing to buy it, I'll take it as an admission that it is illegal

>>3768414
>care what's legal and what's illegal

I think most people like to be at least aware of this fact, especially when the consequences of not knowing can be potentially devastating.

>>3768419
Setting up arbitrary goalposts does not a legitimate argument make.

>>3768446
seriously, its legality is of no concern to you at all. You have no interest in trying to find out before downloading? This is potential CP we are talking about here, not music or dvds

>>3768593
for example wouldn't you like to know how you should store it? If its legal then you don't need to hide it in they way you would if it was illegal.

If the site says "100% legal content" then you have absolutely nothing whatsoever to worry about. They wouldn't say that if it wasn't true

>>3768593

To be true, in my country you get a few months on probation without further consequences if you're caught with CP but have to pay a shitload of money as a fine if you're caught sharing music/movies.

So sharing music is worse than sharing CP

what country is that? Ukraine?

>>3768750

Nope, old Europe.

ITT: Intolerant Western moralfags are angered and confused by cultures they don't understand.

>>3768678

All that really means is that it's legal for them to create and distribute the content wherever they are. Not necessarily legal for you to download it and possess it where you are.

>>3768792
yeah, I don't understand pedo culture and am angered and confused by it