Hey, let's group together millions of people based on some general label they give themselves!

How about you vote on the issues you care about and what your representatives support instead of their party?

Ironically, all the gay people I know are Republican.

>>3738865
that's because they're rich since they have 2 incomes in the household and no kids

>>3738893
Actually, they're in highschool.

on average democrats have spent more years in higher education than republicans

>>3738863
That's what intelligent people do. But that's clearly not how the majority of the country goes about voting.

Its that danged liberal bias o reality

>>3738924
No, that's not true at all, it is about even among the two as it relates to bachelor's degrees and graduate degrees earned.

>>3738865
>>3738921
That's what we call self-hating.

Republicans: people with money (and thus, prefer lower taxes, and more freedom to do what they want with their own hard-earned dollars)
Democrats: people who don't have money (and hence want higher taxes, because it doesn't affect them and their lowest-tax-bracket income, but it provides all the social services they can't afford due to blowing too much money on vices, addictions, and other needless shit)

>>3738956
Fuck off
TOTAL Democrat Republican
No High School 64% 35%
H.S. Graduate 55% 44%
Some College 51% 47%
College Graduate 49% 49%
Postgraduate 58% 41%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you:

Political discussions on 4chan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pXoURr9R_4

>>3738924
"higher education" doesn't really mean anything.
4 to 8 years of "literature" is just as worthless as no college at all.

>>3738820
I fixed it.
Prepare for truth.

>>3738991
>>3738924
thats because college professiors are, next to possibly hollywood, the most liberal group of people in the country. they brainwash their students into thinking leftist. those who pursue higher education generally make more money, and thus, are generally more republican-oriented. highschool dropouts make shit wages and/or live on welfare, so they prefer the democratic approach to things.

>>3738956
incorrect.

the more educated one is the more likely one is inclined to view life from a socially liberal lens. economic conservatism can go either way because the more educated one is the more likely one is inclined to earn more money which would lead to economic conservatism sheerly out of self interest if not ideology.

but in general, the educated demographic is leaning democrat by quite a good margin. especially in this last election the numbers were striking.

>>3738991
That's cool.

How do independents factor in?

>>3738924
>>3738956

What anon is talking about is generally true. Liberals do in fact spend more years in college and give more money to higher education in doing so. Why? Because they tend to have the lowest grades and the worst work effort. From experience here, the liberal campus fags spent all their time smoking pot, protesting stupid shit (like more equal rights for fags on campus when somebody wrote "fuck gay people" on the bathroom wall...) and trying to get their dreadlocks JUST right so THEY TOO can join in a fucking drum circle.

Oh, and before you accuse me of being a staunch Republican, I am actually a moderate and independent. I just think liberals are the biggest fucking tools in the box.

>>3739027
CNN didn't tell me

>>3739006

also, conspiracy theorists

Add "old people" to the democrat list.
> baaah i want my SS check, fuck you alll, i don't understand half of the shit going on in the world but i'm going to vote for the people who give me free money baaah

ITT: whiny conservative populism

>>3739024
"incorrect."? seems someone didn't go to college, for you'd know that statement is grammatically incorrect. ya pompous, condonscending, liberal douchebag.

American politics are weird. Liberalism is all about the free market, which Americans love, yet they generally tend to hate the Democrats from what i've seen. I really don't understand it.

>>3739038
If you think so, you're welcome to add it.

Any other amendments to The Great Party Chart?

>>3739033
i pretty much agree with you, but i'd narrow down that last statement to "liberals who attend college". too stupid to form their own ideas or think for themself, so they just jump on whatever stupid bandwagon presents itself to them.

>>3739024
How do you explain why almost all Negroes vote Democrat?

>>3739036
Probably because your stance that Democrats have higher education on average is based on how people voted.

You didn't consider that Democrats recieved MORE votes.

You didn't consider the registered Independants at all

You didn't consider that maybe Republicans of higher education didn't think the 2006 election important. (Both my parents have masters degrees, are registered Republican and didn't vote in the 2006 election)

You didn't consider the individual candidates. Which could lead to a registered Democrat voting Republican, as well as a registered Republican voting Democrat.

Really, that evidence flimsy at best and intentionally misleading at worst.

>>3739056
American liberalism is different from Classic liberalism.

>>3739073
because they are uneducated niggers who view republican=cowboy lynchmob driving a ford truck, and democrat=BLACK MAN/people that give us da welfare cheques

>>3739067

cynical polysci students

>>3739056
You obviously don't grasp American politics.

Democrats favor a socialist economy with more government control in private lives and corporations.

Republics favor a laissez faire economy with less government control in private lives and corporations.

>>3739023
thats a gross generallization worthy of a right wing, hack, blowhard, commentator; which is probably where u learned to regurgitate that sort of pablum.

higher education is now co-opted by big business. have you been to a college lately. pepsi or coke on campus? who funds the science dept? who funds the foundations? its run by big money and the professors get in line with the new paradigm. college professors as a gross generalization are more liberal, buts that simply because it is impossible to remain at a lower level of fear based thought: xenophobia, etc. when you have educated yourself out of that level.

OP just happens to be a young, college Republican.

You're a sick freak, what the fuck is wrong with you?

The Party of Inclusion right here, ladies and gentlemen.

>>3739087
Can you blame them for voting Democrat?

If someone said "Vote for me and I'll give you free money for doing nothing" and the other guy said "It's better for everyone if you work for the money you earn" who would YOU vote for?

Buffettblock

>>3739094
Then why do they call themselves Liberal? From what I read, the Democrats seem more like the U.K's New Labour, but even less Socialist.

OP gets 2/10. Mediocre political troll, but r9k always bites.

>>3739048
incorrect. the word incorrect is legitimate. are you really trying to argue that its not?

>>3739087
The Democrats have had niggers fooled since 1866. Lincoln was prepared to cut them a fair deal but he was assassinated. Andrew Johnson got into office and ended up leading the plans ALREADY laid out for a reconstruction of the south so the niggers were all jumping for joy. They gave credit to the Democrats for the plan the Republicans had already laid out.

The funniest thing is that Al Sharpton, to this day, blames Abraham Lincoln for not giving blacks the promised acre of land and a mule. HE WAS FUCKING SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD YOU STUPID FUCKING SPEAR CHUCKERS!

>>3739117
Liberal was actually a negative term conjured up for the EXTREME left Democrats in the U.S. This term has since been adopted by the Democrats as their second name though as the extreme wing of the party has taken it over. American and European Liberals and Conservatives are very different so you need to discard that thinking immediately.

>>3739056
Perhaps you're referring to classical liberalism, rather than the modern "welfare" liberalism.
In the case of classical liberalism, the Democrats agree with the belief in personal freedoms, but tend to disagree with the belief in laissez-faire economy, or anything close to it.

That's what makes people hate the Democrats. Also note that a great number of Americans (I hesitate to say the majority) have misguided political opinions and do not consider them thoroughly enough to correct them; this applies to Democrats and Republicans alike.

>>3739184
I tend to find most people that vote Democrat have little idea what the party even stands for. I remember talking to one girl who was a naturalized citizen from Macedonia. She had just voted for Al Gore the day before and asked me who I voted for. When I told her Bush, she asked me why and I explained all the policies I agree with (anti-abortion, pro death penalty, pro gun owner rights, etc.). She then goes, "I agree with those too!" She voted for Gore because people told her that Bush was evil and Gore was going to make dreams come true.

>>3739211
To be fair, Republicans do it too.

Really, both parties are guilty as hell of it.

Repuglicans are just known for being self-centered and want to hoard money for themselves, that's why they are usually so stupid.

Also there's the moral crapvoters, which tends to include toothless rednecks.

>>3739184
>the Democrats agree with the belief in personal freedoms

Like freedom of association? Oh no wait they forced everyone to integrate.

All smart wealthy people are Democrats, see Warren Buffet :D! Nicest man ever, saw this economy shit from the beginning, and he's best buds with Bill Gates! So by the transitive law Bill Gates is a Democrat >:D..

What's wrong with women? Every time a large amount of women enter the workforce the economy improves, there are some correlations and studies if you want to actually educate yourself.. Also, if you go to a private school in the north, I can guarantee more than half of the kids and their parents will be liberal, because they are willing to pay higher taxes for a functioning country..

About minorities voting Democrats, this one is easy... Republicans hate immigrants, the stupid vocal ones are simply outright racist and constantly keep drumming up legislation to help out "real" white America.. This scares off minorities, rightfully so, so they go for the Democrats..

Vegans, so what? Are your beliefs any better than theirs? Sure some can be very annoying, but most are not really that annoying at all.. Don't condemn a whole party because of a vocal minority..

Now, about the cool to hate Bush kids.. It's RIGHT to hate Bush not cool, he literally just took away and ignored half of our freedoms, looks like the terrorists got what they wanted..

btw I was jking about the Bill Gates thing, no one really knows what he is, but he is most probably a Democrat...

>>3739235
No the Democrats are the selfish ones, they want to take other people's money for themselves. The Republicans think that people should be able to keep the money they earned. That's not self-centered at all.

Republican voters donate more money to charities than Democratic voters.

>>3739267
This is someone who votes Democrat.

Vote straight Republican 2012. You don't wanna be THIS guy.....do you?

>>3739252

Jesus fucking shit, not this anarchist shit again.. When someones belief begins to arbitrarily restrict another groups freedoms, you think that is right? An integrated human race will be much more effective than a divisive one, get your head out of your ass and into a vat of acid..

>>3739006
Why are there so many fucking Libertarian faggots on the Internet? You're a bunch of morons.

>>3739235
Republicans donate a fuck ton more money to charity than Democrats do.

>>3739184
How can it still be Liberalism if one of the key features has been changed though. That'd be like calling an ideology with low taxes and public spending Socialist.

>>3739267
8/10
very subtle but very rage inducing.

Americans are Capitalist because they don't understand anything else.

This thread: Everyone makes unsubstantiated arguments

I revise prior rating to 3/10, OP is counter trolling and enhancing total value

>>3739296
>When someones belief begins to arbitrarily restrict another groups freedoms, you think that is right?

Like the Liberal's belief in racial equality which causes them to restrict everyone's freedom of association?

>>3739094
Democrats favor more control in business, less in private.
Republicans favor more in private, less in business.
Libertarians are ANARCHY LOL!!1!1!

>>3739306
Why?
mootbloxcawkxboxxcatsdongsdillywillydingdongs?

>>3739376

Wait what? Like how? Give me an example that really pisses you off...

>>3739376
Don't forget that Democrats have done away with the basic right to freedom from discrimination.

Thanks to them Asians and Whites are discriminated against due to their race, because on average they are too successful. So they are passed up for jobs and denied schooling just because of the colour of their skin.

>>3739412

THEY DIDN'T LET ME GO TO MY NEO-NATZI PARADE.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW

There sure are some cool kids in this thread.

Oh, fuck you. I'm a furfag, and I'm definitely not a Democrat. I'm a somewhat liberal Republican.

Liberal/Conservative have just about nothing to do with whether you're Democrat/Republican. Democrats don't understand how the economy works.

>>3739424

Oh shit people cannot be this retarded.. I thought the kids in school were joking but.. holy shit..

>>3739143

Incorrect; blacks almost unanimously voted Republican up until the 40's until FDR's big government social programs enslaving their entire community to dependency on the Federal government.

>>3739458

Well no not for that reason assjockey, Republicans also switched their ideology around...

>>3739442

I think alot of furries are republicans


because they are childish retards

Liberals win.

watch the mayfair set if you think republicans understand the economy


no one understands the fucking economy

>>3739469

What the hell do you mean they changed their ideology in the 40's?

Have you read history on the Civil Rights Movement?

Since Abraham Lincoln, Republicans have been there for blacks when it counted. Nevertheless, Democrats invariably take all the credit for the success of the civil rights movement and invariably fail to give any credit to Republicans.

To all blacks out there: It disappoints me that your families and neighborhoods continue to be degraded by the Democratic party.

"The Representative becomes the master by posing as the servant."

>>3739555

She really is the easiest person to hate in the world. When she dies I am going to have a party and it will be the best party ever!

>>3739558
econ major here. this is the wisest person in this thread so far

>>3739577

lol you dont know about the party switch you are a retard

>>3739579
Only if you're Welsh.

>>3739073
The amount of times I have seen that fucking graph on here

>>3739618

Or northern or compassionate or anything other than upper middle class

Because the rest of the world are democrats and are all superior to America both in test marks and success.

I like how business owners are seen as more worthwhile than professors, and how wealthy successful people doesnt seem to include people such as bill gates, george soros and the majority of arts related professions.

No they actually proved statistically democrats are smarter than republicans. Looking at the linguistic skill of Obama and Bush proves this too.

>>3739764
>Looking at the linguistic skill of Obama and Bush proves this too.

If you balance out their flaws in speaking you'll find that they're about the same.

Democrats and Republicans both fucking suck. Third parties (that are never going to get elected because of the shitty two-party "Democratic system") for the win!

I'm a furfag and a Republican.

I just hate the jesus freaks, warmongers and hyper-capitalists, aside from that the GOP has its shit together

Democrats also have scientists, since Republicans LOOOOVE to cancel their funding based on bullshit dogma.

>>3739659
>rest of the world more successful than america
>USA largest GDP by a huge margin

>>3740117
Not to mention debt.

You guys do realize the "questionan your maturity" is a classic tactic used by Republicans since they can't defend their views with logic, only appeals to emotion? Right?

>>3740117
GDP doesn't measure living standards in ANY way. USA is a perfect example of that.

If Democrats had all the women then they would every single national election.

>>3740117

You consider that success?

No wonder your country is going to burn to the ground.

>>3738820
>Douche bag college profs.
liberal biased? you have apparently not encountered the countless republicunt christfag colleges that exist below the few high tier schools we have
pieces of shit? you have apparently not encountered the few high tier schools we have that lead by a large margin in research
0/10

Liberals generally have smarter policies, it's as simple as that.

Legalized Abortion > Illegal Abortion
No Death Penalty > Death Penalty
Legalized Drugs > Mandatory Drug Sentencing
Abiding by the Geneva Conventions > Breaking international treaties and shitting all over the world community

>>3740245
>No Death Penalty > Death Penalty

Explain how banning the death penalty benefits anyone other than the people on death row.

Both parties are far too interventionist for me.

>>3740117
I wonder how much of that GDP was "produced" by the Financial Sector that is now crashing and burning.

>>3738820

1. Business owners aren't restricted to being republicans.
2. There are plenty of white males 25-60 who are democrats. THE PRESIDENT is one of them, obviously.
3. Wealthy people are an insignificant voting minority
4. Jesus-freaks and rednecks are a larger portion of the population than every minority listed under democrats combined.

Deal with it, republifag.

>>3739006

>Libertarians
>realists

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLZ!!!1

>>3740260

Families of people on death row, tax payers, America's reputation to the rest of the world.

>>3740245
>No Death Penalty > Death Penalty

This is wrong. Very wrong.

Also, Democrats are pro-gun control and pro illegal-immigration.

>>3740282

President isn't white, but #2 still stands*
Silly me.

so republicans are racist too?

>>3740260
You're a complete fucking idiot.

Legal costs from the appeals from death row inmates cost the state more than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives.

People who are innocently convicted don't deserve to die, and innocent convictions happen far too often to be negligible.

Death sentencing is inhumane.

>>3740282

Since when is the president a 25-60, white male?

>>3740287
>Democrats are pro-gun control and pro illegal-immigration.

It is very sad that certain members of the supposedly "pro-worker" democratic party advocate lax immigration laws. It is also irritating how democrats will talk on and on about how important the Constitution is while trampling all over the 2nd Amendment.

>>3740298
Show some evidence.

>>3740287
Because societies that have banned guns have far lower crime and murder rates than america. Simple as that.

Pro-illegal anything? Are you that fucking dumb?

Also, almost all of the scientists I've done research with in my entire university stay have been democrats. And if you think the most educated people in this country are douchebags, I think that speaks volumes in itself.

Also, implying that you own a business or are wealthy has absolutely nothing to do with moral character. lrn2utilitarianism, and you can see why the republican party is really, really shitty.

>>3740324
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42\
http://badgerherald.com/oped/2006/09/04/death_penalty_ineffe.php
http://media.www.thetriangle.org/media/storage/paper689/news/2009/03/13/EdOp/Death.Penalty.Expensive
.Unjust-3671527.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/02/economy.death.penalty/

HURR DURR DURRHURR

>>3740331
If you've WORKED with scientists, you'd understand why your comparison between two different societies is bad data, and a very faulty assumption.

>>3740287

I'm for the death penalty and anti-gun control. I voted Obama. Do I give a shit about barrel shrouds and certain assault rifles being banned? No, because I'm a realist. You can still get them if you care enough to plow through the red tape. Or you could just buy them from under the table gun show deals like everyone else.

ITT: Republicans suck, Democrats suck worse.

Furfag here. I accidentally republican. Is this dangerous?

>>3740354
Biased source
Biased source
Editorial citing biased source
Editorial citing biased source
CNN citing biased source

'kay.

>Also, Democrats are pro illegal-immigration.

What? Nice straw man you fucking idiot.

>>3740385
Okay, so disregard all the evidence, WHILE PROVIDING ABSOLUTELY NONE OF YOUR OWN. Excellent strategy!

>>3740389
You don't know what a straw-man argument is.

>>3740331

>societies that have banned guns have far lower crime and murder rates than america.

Not only is this patently false in general, but in specific, gun-crime rates have been shown to go UP after gun bans.

The Democrats make me ashamed to be an American.

The Republicans make me ashamed to be a human being.

>>3738820
dude, two words.

Sarah Palin.

An uneducated creationist was about to become the vice president. A FUCKING CREATIONIST.
What does this tell you about the republican party?

>>3740417
I dunno about specific causes, but it's pretty clear america's homicide rate is xbawks hueg

>>3740482
And it has nothing to do with guns.

>>3740287

Nobody is pro-illegal immigration you fucking numbnut. Except for Bush, of course. How many millions of illegal immigrants did he grant amnesty to, again?

>>3740482
>uncited graph
Boy, I am very convinced! I believe that this graph is 100% accurate, no questions asked!

>>3740493
What are the factors that make it higher than the next 3 countries on that list combined?

>>3740450
One word.
NIGGER

A FUCKING NIGGER!!

>>3740518
Who knows, probably our culture.

>>3740482
Talk about a biased graph.

Pick out the few countries in the world with extremely low homicide rates, and compare them to the USA, which has average homicide rates.

Or we can be fair and unbiased and compare worldwide, like my picture does.

>>3740511
Not gun related, but death penalty related!

>>3740548
Here's another. Funny how things become totally different when you remove the bias...

>>3740548
But we're discussing gun control. There are a huge number of factors that would raise homocide rates in countries like russia and countries in south america and africa, where police forces are far less capable.

If you look at countries that have similar other sociological factors, like canada and europe, the US is pretty high in comparison.

Dude, I love generalizing massive groups of people too!

>>3740571
Most of the countries at the top seem to be either 3rd world countries or ex-soviet states. I don't see countries like britain, canada, or any other "western" society on there.

>>3740582
Russian police (HOMO) can kill you with one punch. I challenge you to find me more capable police.

>>3740482

I liked the part where 1.2 was higher and lower than 1 at the same time.

>>3740601
I agree! I order this shit all the time!

>>3740331
An armed society is a polite society.
An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
Best quotes ever.

>>3740548
Now I see it, USA has the highest murder rates amongst 1st world countries.

>>3740571
>>3740548
you are stupid arent you? of course we are comparing the usa to the few countries with an extremely low murder rate. the usa claims to be the fucking best doesnt it?

and EXACTLY that point is disproven by showing the diffirent countries that are way more democract leaning then the usa is ( ie, social security, wellfare state, etc ).

The republican party appeals to the religious and racists.

Do you really want to associate yourself with those two groups?

>>3740622
that would be the ideal base, yes. if people where logical. however, they're not. thus, people get angry, and if they have a gun, they will kill earlier. thus, more murder. hooraah. I dare you to find a flaw in this without screaming "LOL NATURAL SELECTION, SOCIAL DARWINISM FTW"

>>3740629
Requesting breakdown by state. Compare states with strict anti-gun legislation against, oh, say, Texas, Idaho, <your favorite gun-toting redneck state>.

>>3740542

cool ignorance bro

>>3740684
can I request the same for the other countries? ie, breakdown by province? perhaps by the number people per square kilometer? that compared to the number of guns around?

>>3740558

Funny how that's got almost nothing to do with the death penalty and everything to do with socioeconomic geography and culture.

>>3740718
No point, really. Most countries other than US have blanket laws that don't differ by region.

>>3740417
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that fact that they illegalized guns would increase crime rate considering now there's a gun crime for anybody who even owns one.

gunfacts.info

/thread

A well cited argument strongly in favour of people being allowed to have guns. Download the .pdf - it'll answer practically every single question you have about gun control as well as debunk common myths and 'facts'.

Everything is well cited, with a lot of information coming from world governments themselves.

>>3740642
Yes, actually, I do.

dasb00tmlox

basically the handful richest are rich enough to spend some to delude the poorest and the most retarded en masse, which is unfortunately necessary due to this "democracy" bullshit, but it's easily circumvented as you see.