It fucking sucks obviously. Do you think I enjoy dealing with this Democrat/Repulican shit every day of my fucking life, seeing them accusing one another no matter what newspaper I open? Jesus Christ why don't you state the obvious.

>>3675962
i think I did
it was fun

The thing that disturbs me about US politics is that the people they deem 'left wing' would barely make center-right in most other countries...

ummmmm 2 party system. polarization will always happen as long as 3rd parties are automatically written off as anarchists or commies.

there's a reason all the founding fathers warned us about political parties. they knew this shit was coming...

American invited political parties and political ideologies.

>polarising (no z)
That's French spelling. English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

>>3676136
SAW-RHEE AHYE ONLY SPHEAK AMEERICUUN

Americunt here. I agree with OP strongly. I'd really like to see a dissolution of the party system but this country is either too stupid to give a shit or see the problem. Maybe both.

Oh god our political culture is a mess and the most recent Nuremberg-esque bill abusing the federal tax code to penalize a small group of individuals is absolute proof of this

thank god it'll never get out of the senate

its the perfect illusion of choice

Why do you care so much about American politics if you don't live in America?

"Feels" free, man.

>>3676271
especially since it was the very same people who allowed the whole 'loophole'(read: contractual obligation) that then amended the tax code and basically brushed aside law in general to make a political statement with no real effect on anything.


LOL RULE OF LAW

>>3675907

Protip - No one gives a shit about any of the political parties in America anymore. We're all too busy getting ready to have a new "tea party".

Wtf are you talking about ?

Two big parties and the rest being shit nobody cares about... Sounds a lot like most european countries to me. Troll harder.

>>3676304
Trust me the rest of the world hears just as much about your politics as they do about their own. This goes triple if you're on the net.

>>3676371
That was completely incoherent.

What are you, some kind of hippy faggot?

The economy is fucked because it became too centralized and dependent on fake capital from the insurance industry gold farmers.

Yes, I agree, petty politics and blind faith gives me involuntary eye twitches.

Within the next 10 years the Libertarians will become the major 3rd party.

The "left" and "right" division actually emerged in the parliament of France during the French Revolution. So blame France.

>>3676496
Lol, no. Libertarians will never be important. If anything, Republicans will waste away until the Democrats split into a center and a far left party, but that would take decades of Republican fail. Decades more, that is.

>>3676115
that's because those other countries are super crazy far left.

Not good. Most "democrats" in congress are really just republicans who think gays deserve equal rights and that minorities are humans. They could care less about the American worker.

>>3676582
if you could qualtify political attitudes and average them out to establish what the political centre is, why would the USA get more clout to make everybody else leftist?

>>3676548

That's what I was implying
>>3676371

And I am french myself. Still OP calls me incoherent. What a fag. Let's just sage this shit.

>>3676658
it's all subjective buddy.

Both parties are tools for the religionists that run this country.

Dude... real people don't think that way. The only people who actually think that dichotomy applies to anything are people on TV and stupid people. Only the people on TV are just being paid to pretend, so the only people who really think that way are stupid people.

You can't make sweeping generalizations (ever really, but in this context) about Americans based on American television. Lots of us don't even watch the shit anymore because we're sick of seeing commercials and deliberately scary news.

>>3675907
1) You are the one polarizing US thought into Categories. You actually have no idea of the real political landscape because you are not an intellectual, you are part of the crowd and a spectator, not a player.

2) Ingroup/Outgroup attribution error. Outgroups always see other groups as whole and as undiverse.

3) You're just an idiot. Read real political journals. Read real philosophy journals. Stop being a mindless scrub.

What makes me rage are oxymorons like "socialist liberal" or "progressive conservative". FFUUUUU!

>>3676676
OP here

ok buddy, let's break this down

"Wtf are you talking about ?"
So far so good. "I don't understand"

"Two big parties and the rest being shit nobody cares about..."

Ok, this sentence is a nightmare. I can understand it just, but I had to read it three or so times. "the rest being shit nobody cares about..." doesn't really make sense, but we can guess that nobody cares about "the rest".

"Sounds a lot like most european countries to me."
You're comparing US politics, which you described in a very confusing manner, to European countries, but you don't really explain why.

"Troll harder."
I think you just tacked this sentence onto the end of your post to seem perceptive, and to lend validity to the mess that constitutes the jumbled mess that precedes your finishing line.

Motherfucker.

I agree, although McCain and Palin were stupid. But liberals care too mcuh about gun control and drug control. Both of which are bullshit.

>>3676817
1) I guess you're an intellectual and player then. Present your credentials.

2) Your ingroup/outgroup arguement is interesting, but I'm not claiming that people should be, or can be, shunted into two labelled political groups, but rather I'm expressing my frustration that that's what I see.

3) So with your presumed college degree or political experience you used three dot points to

- dismiss my political knowlege, which can only be inferred through this post, while you implictly boast of your own unspecified experience.
-make point 2, which was interesting, but I've responded to that
-use your so far *bulletproof* rebuttal to call me an idiot and point me in the right direction to becoming as smart as you, you smug fuck.

>>3676805
maybe I was a little harsh on 'real people'

the media still makes me rage though

Blah, blah, blah, Can we just have another revolution already and put an end to the current faggotry?

Watching any American on TV discuss politics makes me rage. Thankfully, I know actual Americans that can actually agree and disagree on subjects across both parties, which makes me think there may be hope left.

As for >>3676304 I can say as a European (I'm not that anon, though) that it's because your politcians somehow forgot to go back to your previous isolationist ways after USSR ceased to be. The whole "policing the world" shit gets old, especially when your country just won't stop begging the rest of us for troops and shit for your cause and then complain it isn't good enough. Bomb away in the middle east if you like, but why the hell should we send our shit there too? Afghanistan is fine, 'cause the taleban are fucktards and we don't mind helping out when there's a good reason but Iraq was just gay. The strongest army in the world should be able to fix its own shit, right?

tl; dr: Americans individually are awwwriiight, American politics is fail.

>>3677088

Volunteer armies aren't strong at all broski, we just have a lot of gadgets to make up for a lack of manpower.

Beyond the talking heads on TV, the American political scene is actually much more nuanced that left v right. Our electoral system is set up such that two parties ultimately prevail, but there are many camps within each party. For example, over the last 30 years the free marketers, the law & order proponents, the foreign policy hawks, and the evangelical Christians had an alliance which controlled the Republican party. That alliance now seems to be breaking down, and the groups will reorganize. It's not a good system, but it's better than you seem to think.

>>3676115

Only in Euro-fag countries, Republicans would look like left-wing pansies in many East Asian countries.

>>3677123
Voulentary armies are stronger than drafted ones (better training and gear due to smaller numbers -- A draft would have every single American male age 18-20 in it, depending on length of draft) and your point doesn't really stand considering just about all western armies are voulentary anyway (they're even shittier than yours due to less money to throw at it). Your army is fuckhuge and adding a few thousand Europeans when your country still has tens of thousands in reserve (not counting your whole "if you've even looked at a soldier of any kind in your life, you're going back" policy) does next to nothing . It's really just to make sure we can't say "told you so" if you screw up, and it's getting old.

Like I said, most of us are happy to help if it's because someone does some horrible shit to you or you have another good reason to do it. But Saddam supposedly having a few pounds of anthrax you can't prove is there and absolutely no means of sending it your way (lol his SCUDs in the first gulf war AND this one) just isn't a very good reason. Sadly, our politicians are severely lacking in the "spine" department, so kudos to you for dragging us into this shit anyway.

You are either Anti or you are Against. Pick one, anon.