How dare he turn against his people like this. Niggers have long been the suppliers of the finest bootlegged materials around. Sure the Chinese and the Mexicans may have them beat in terms of bulk goods, but when considering the quality of those goods, Niggers very clearly have the superior merchandise. Such overt displays of being a downright Uncle Tom are not something I desire in a President and I am thoroughly upset.

>>3610176

Dude. That means we'll be able to sell illegal copies of music again. He's helping those willing to take risks.

>>3610176
SOUP OP!!!111!!

Jackass

As someone who aspires to write music for a living, I have to admit that it is good to see someone in a position of power who cares about musicians.

>>3610163
I really don't see how $150,000 PER SONG is warranted.

That's just ridiculous.

>>3610221

I don't think the max. penalty would be applied often. I think it is mainly to act as a deterrent.

>>3610200

This only helps record companies, not artists.

>>3610200
Musicians/Record Companies

Know the difference if you're going to go into the bizz.

Goddamn fuck you obama.

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS FUCKED UP
FIX IT, DONT SIDE WITH IT

1. People pay for music
2. Musicians get money

?????

I don't know how leftists stay on the left when their lesser members in power frequently succumb to douchebaggery such as this.

I'd rather have comrade Stalin back,
some balls would be fuckin' appreciated
not just some postmod. douche with a chimpanzee-wife
and retard joke dropping chicanery.

FUCK

>>3610321

Musicians make 1$.
________________
Labels make 100$

>>3610321
1. People pay for music
2. Music Labels/Recording companies get money.
3. Musicians still make all their money from concerts and t-shirts.

Copyright is just intellectual monopoly. It should be abolished alongside patents for the good of the world. It stifles creativity and makes all of our lives harder so a few execs can buy mansions and caviar. They do not deserve our money.

piracy/free downloading is the only counterbalance against the radio and label oligarchies that allows underground unsigned acts to find a fandom.

besides, the riaa has never paid one cent of the damages they've gotten from these lawsuits to the artists nor the labels. they are more obscene thieves that the people they chase after.

>>3610331
wrong, many labels are turning to 360 deals where they get a piece of everything the artist does from ringtones to shirts to endorsements to make up for the fact that cd sales are down. the labels, fearing their almost assured obsolescence, are going to try to bleed the stone dry in a last ditch effort.

>>3610570
Well fuck me. Now I almost feel guilty about pirating.

Almost.

>>3610520

>Forcing artists to come up with original work that doesn't plagiarise another person's work stifles creativity.

Protip: at this day and age, everything has been done. Everything.

So how much would you owe? I'd owe 869 550 000 U.S. dollars, I removed an estimate of how many of my tracks I actually own.

>>3610727
Protip: They were saying the exact same thing 20, 50, 100 years ago.

>>3610200
Spoiler: You will be crying with joy to land a burger-flipping job at some fastfood joint. No one will pay for your shitty music.

ITT: We realise that big music is trying desperately to hold on to a dying market.

The entertainment industry is facing a crisis. They are going to soon be obsolete. And I'm not talking about artists going hungry because thier work is stolen, I'm talking about the centralised distribution of content becoming irrelevant. All the leeches who once made thier livings off getting music and shows and films from the guys who make them to the guys who enjoy them are going to go bankrupt. The legislation is not protection against piracy (well, it is, but piracy needs to be redefined), it is protection for an industry that is almost dead.

Imagine, if you will, the businesses that tailored to horses at the turn of the century. A fairly big part of life, since you needed horses to get around, and the businesses were profitable and successful. But they operate on practices that don't transfer well to the support of motor cars. And if you look at history, there were many attempts to limit the spread of automobiles, restricting thier speed to walking pace and requiring a man to walk in front of them to warn pedestrians, and so on. The dying gasps of a doomed industry. But even the equestrian business never had the pull of the current entertainment industry, which is trying the same thing, writ larger and louder.

they would have to specifically select low profile rich people to give this fine to, and the media will pretend to have a shitstorm over thse huge fines, the fine for peasants wont change.

I seriously hate the musicfags that think "I WILL WRITE SONGS, I WILL MAKE A FORTUNE"

Idiot. Look at the graphic design community. It's a flooded market, just like the music industry. Of course, Graphic Designers are smart and realize at 26 that they need other means to get by.

You musicfags just want to get high and work at Target all day.

>>3610811

Sure, I have a teaching job that pays fairly well ($54 an hour) but I also get commissions for music.

>>3610811

>>want to get high and work at Target

I call people like you crazy, but now you went ahead and made me believe it.

>>3610811

The market as it stands is flooded. There's x amount of money to go around, and it's all sewn up. But if the market was deregulated, more people could make a living from playing music, more new music would be made, and the customer could listen to more music of the kind they like. With internet distribution, you really don't need music producers running anything, and taking the lions share of the profits.

>>3610732
$382,500,000 On this computer. Probably another ~$200M on my external HD.

>>3610851
i got 3 billion

Actually, I think Obama's just trolling.

>>3610200
Musicians? What the fuck are you talking about? Either that was a knowledgeable troll or a really dumb thing to say. The RIAA gets that money, bitch, not the artists. They get remunerated as though the stolen songs had been purchased (i.e. mere pennies), while the RIAA gets ridiculously rich and powerful.

>>3610163

Trent Reznor is going to be pissed as hell at Obama. I can't wait.

>>3610898
I'd bet good money that you have yet to listen to even half of your collection. You're probably the kind of guy who torrents an entire anthology after hearing one or two songs you kind of like.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

>>3610924

What I meant was that if these measures encourage more people to buy music legitimately, there should be more money ending up in musician's pockets.

>>3610954
I SMELL THE SECOND YEAR ZERO ALBUM!!!!

FUCK YES!

>>3610960
I'm a striving musician as well. I see the marking RAPIDLY turning towards self promotion. Using the Internet as the wonderful tool that it is, not fighting it as the enemy. We're witnessing the dawn of the age of the self made musician/businessman.

Personally, I think it's a marvelous thing.

>>3610984
That age isn't dawning, its just making a comeback. That's how the music industry worked before radio existed. Also, to paraphrase Doctorow, a 21st century artists biggest concern shouldn't be that people are making use of their works without paying for them; artists should be infinitely more afraid of obscurity. If more people have access to your stuff for free than would otherwise buy it, you are still tapping a bigger market than before, and simple economics means you'll make more money. Believe it or not, the vast majority of people like to pay for things they are given, even if they are given it for free. The amount of college students who refuse to pay for music is not representative of the market at large.

>>3611025
You're right, of course this isn't the first time that artists were completely self promoted. But the internet is such wondrous tool that I feel it's much different this time around.

And the rest of your post is pretty awesome. Who is this Doctorow of which you speak?

>>3611048
Cory Doctorow. He's one of the editors of boingboing.net (meh site, occasionally has interesting/funny things) and used to be a fellow at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. He's also a sci-fi writer who makes his books available for free online, as well as in book stores. He makes really good money that way.

But fuck Doctorow, read Lessig. He's a Stanford Law prof (moving to Harvard soon) who started the Creative Commons licenses/movement. Go to his blog RIGHT NOW and download Free Culture. It is a seminal book about copyright law and the internet. Very readable, non-technical, and fucking awesome. DO IT NOW

>>3610984
>Using the Internet as the wonderful tool

MySPAEC bands were never good.

>>3610200
Sup faggot.

I'm a musician and I can record a fairly decent sounding album on a fairly decent 64 track I have. Pay for everything out of my own pocket. Know why? Because I love making music, and I don't have to get paid to express myself creatively. I'll probably record a few albums/EPs and give them away for free. Why's that?

Because going through a record label is pointless these days, what with the internet and all. Furthermore, if you do get lucky enough to get signed and you're lucky enough to get advance, you probably won't be able to pay it back and will end up $200k in the hole.

Hope you enjoy it.

>>3611100
>going through a record label is pointless these days

Thank god SOMEONE said it. The labels became powerful because they controlled the means of distribution. Now any idiot can stream their music to fucking Timbuktu, or wherever. The only power the labels have left is promotion, marketing. And I really don't think that's gonna last.

>>3610956
theres nothing wrong with that yes

but i i have about 25000 tracks, and 50000 plays on lastfm, which is probably just part of all the songs i have listened to if i include stuff not on the computer,

so it's possible, not likely, or the best situation but it doesn't matter

>>3611069
>DO IT NOW

Thanks anon, I will.

>>3611100
Sup faggots? My name is Dave, shit was SO cash, she just blew me, I also get straight A's, pretty much perfect etc.

ho do they prove you downloaded it illegally?

>>3611099
I don't think anyone ever said that they were.

lol, america.

Enjoy your wolf in sheeps clothing

Silly america

>>3611100

I'm not hoping to get signed. At the moment, I do a fair amount of work as a freelance composer, an increasing amount of this work is paid.

Why do I want to earn a living off my music? So I can work on it full time, and not have to waste time in a crappy job that I could be using for writing, researching or rehearsing

>>3611122
6.2 billion worth here.
40,000 songs here.

Only about 5000 plays on last.fm, though, seeing as I only got it recently

>>3610200

You wouldn't see a cent out of those 150,000 if somebody pirated your song.

>>3611139
DRM or watermarks. Any song you buy in a digital format will either need to check with a central server whenever you play it to see if you legally own it (DRM) or the file will be watermarked. Amazon's watermark, for example, includes your name, address, and credit card information.

>>3611164

Yes, that is unfortunate, but that is not what I meant. If you had read any of my following posts, you would know that.

Monique is a perfect example of why no one likes hipster douchebags in art school. You don't know anything. Not even about your own goddamn job.

Monique is also a perfect example of /r9k/ cancer. Female, dumb, attention whoring.

>>3611147
You idiot. The entire world is heading down the toilet when it comes to intellectual property law. Ever heard of the ACTA? That's the international legislation that imposes American copyright law on every other signatory. And guess what? Most governments will sign it so that they have a right to distribute American media in their countries.

This is a global problem.

>>3611181

hey, I take offense to that. :(

>>3610907

Fuck you. Filthy tripfag.

>>3611203
Good. That way we know you understood it.

Vapid bitch.

>>3611210
That was both deliciously harsh and fucking hilarious. A+, anon.

>>3611231
Agreed, now if only you could get that kind of point across to relationship threads.

and maybe camwhore threads

>>3611181
>>3611207
>>3611231
That was indeed some expert chemo. Keep up the noble work.

I give you 26 hours.

>>3611260
Now she goes into vague, thinly-veiled threat mode. We should really catalog these stages and write a book.

We might be able to cure the cancer!

>>3611298
I think it's too adaptive. By the time we've compiled enough information to implement a cure, this viral cancer will have developed into a new strain.

It's like the goddamn Andromeda Strain.

>>3610200

RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD

musicians make money from touring.. you know.. playing music. weird, i know.

This 'monique' camwhores or something? Why?

And are girls at art school slutty?

>>3611332
>are girls at art school slutty?

I think they like to refer to themselves as 'liberated'. But yes, very.

>>3611337
Why though? Why does art school have this reputation?

And does that monique whore sleep around?

funny how nobody would attack google for the thousands of illegal songs on youtube

i wonder why

>>3611351
Cuz you can't download and keep those songs, silly!

/bullshit

>>3611351
The publishers have gone after youtube and failed. Now google cooperates with them but claims to be overwhelmed by the sheer number of songs that get added daily.

>>3611385
Google is probably the biggest ally we can ask for in the fight for copyright reform.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

So, I owe 1843200000 dollars. Gwahaha.

>Hey guise, Obama is a socialist!

No, he's a corporatist, just like Bush. Enjoy your "socialism" which is actually going to be only the biggest companies getting rich while the leftovers of wealth are "spread" among us.

Oh lol.

>>3611418
I wish I could agree with you, and a few years ago I would have.

When google went to China, they played by Chinese rules, enforcing state censorship. Ultimately, Google is a privately owned, publicly traded, American corporation. They have to play ball with governments to maximize profits or their shareholders will go berserk.

>>3611478
How is that not already the case, when 95% of the american population makes less than $250,000/year?

>>3611366
The average 4channer, I would believe, has that ability.

It's super simple really.

Sup guise.

>>3611495
>How is that not already the case
That's the point. Except now we have a leader that the majority LOVES, which means he can get away with making "sweeping reforms" that are really just accelerating what has been happening for years.

Again, enjoy your Obama. Enjoy your corporatism. And if you're lucky, enjoy your police state. Real police state, none of this DONT TASTE ME BRO liberal bullshit.

>>3611533
Good thing he didn't end his comment with a /bullshit tag, otherwise what you said might look dumb.

/sarcasm

>>3611533
thatsthejoke.jpg

block#4728

>>3611540
You know, it seems like the American government has been setting itself up for this moment for a long time. Only an extremely ignorant and politically apathetic population could elect a "populist" leader who doesn't have their interests in mind.

High five for not being American.

>>3611557
Guess what Eurofag? It's happening everywhere. See you in 25 years, fellow One World Government citizen.

I used to be one of Obama's biggest supporters. Every move he makes I seem to go further away from him. He's done nothing for the poor, given the richest bastards every penny he could, and now that nigger is creating a whole new market for the music industry. He was better than McCain but it's still so shocking to see his shit hit the fan

>>3611557
>implying Europe does not have police states
Aren't you the faggots who don't own guns but the terrorist there do?

>>3611176

I don't read your posts because they make no sense.

>>3611596
No such thing as terrorists.

mootblocks

I'm not surprised at all. Most people wrongly assumed he was like a normal person who is completely detached from the standard PC political world. He's the president of the US, of COURSE he's going to do something like this.

>>3611647
This post makes no sense whatsoever

>>3611596
>>3611578
Umm, I'm South American. We have legitimate populist leaders who are highly taxing the rich to increase equality. And, btw, I live in Rio, one of the world's greatest cities. I'm willing to bet my standard of living is higher than yours, since most Americans don't live in major centers of global culture and industry.

After reading through this entire thread, I have to admit I'm lost on why anyone would be against this. People still things, they get fined/sued for damages money, the record labels get the money they're supposed to get which pays the musicians (not much, but some) and allows the record label to stay in business to produce more albums from more bands.

Yea, yea, the internet is opening up a whole new culture of self-produced artists, but you're never going to get the support you need to really go on tour and really make some money. Can you afford lighting/sound companies, the money to rent out a venue, a manager, a tour bus and set of tour trucks all on your own? Yes of course any idiot can drive down to the local coffeehouse with an acoustic guitar, but if the internet is making you actually famous, how will you be able to afford to tour more than tiny nightclubs and bars, assuming your music gets that far?

Furthermore, while I CAN go into my living room and record myself playing piano right now, it will sound terrible. Unless you have access to a professional studio, your recordings will not be of very good quality, no matter how much time you spend on your pirated copy of protools.

While I do agree that labels ruthlessly steal money and control from the artists they sign, it IS helpful to have a label if you want to get your music out and tour.

>>3611710

>People still things

*STEAL. What the fuck, I can't goddamn type.

Bootcocks.

way to derail a perfectly cool thread, faggots. half of you dicks are all like FUCKING MONIQUE MAN and the other half is all like EU VS US LETS DO IT NIGGERS. can't you dicks appreciate a good anti-recording label thread every once in a while? FUCK.
i was gonna post a huge post about riaa and their ridiculous bullshit they get away with because they have so much money, but now y'all ruined it. and yes, you WILL cry.

>>3611680
We have a better country than yours though. Your country feeds off class distance. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. 50 years from now most of your country will be shitty as fuck and but your family won't care because you'll be the ones with the whip. I live better than you do filthy spic

>>3611710
labels are ineffective. they may do their work, but they are less up to date than newspapers. replacing them wouldn't be easy, and more importantly, the people who earn elephant dollars in the labels aren't very willing to get rid of their positions, but you could make it SO much easier and infinitely less corrupt. i've been putting a lot of thought into this.

i mean fuck, if your band can't support itself, why the fuck should you exist? isn't that the very call that you fucking can't play music good enough? if you wanna do it to live on it, you better be REALLY FUCKING COOL. if you want just another 9-5 job, make music for commercials or other simple shit. you can't be a local celebrity just because your relatives say you can play piano really well.

>>3611717
Actually, that's what's happening in YOUR country. The American GINI Index (LOOK IT UP, BITCH) has been rising steadily since the 70's, whereas MY COUNTRY'S has been decreasing steadily since our real populist leader got elected. This is the case in nearly every South American country.

Also, you should take solace in the fact that, in 50 years, Russia, Brazil, and China will have higher combined GDP's than America and the EU combined (this is called the BRIC hypothesis, look this up too).

Your people's blind faith in your country's previous greatness is really amazing, in light of what Bush did and Obama is starting to do.

>>3611714
No dude, its cool. I already told everyone about Lessig. The thread is pretty much over.

>>3611770
You left behind India, fellow SAmerican.

"I am telling the American people... that if you earn less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes go up!"

! ! ! ! ! ! !OBAMA! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

>>3611770
China has HUGE class division and a population which will decline sharply. They simply do not have enough women for their men and with an economy reliant on cheap industrial labor that's bad news. Brazil will fair well but the racial division combined with the increasingly large black population is bound to lead to some class exploitation. Russia will have it's ups but if alternative energy replaces fossil fuels anytime soon there going to shit

>>3611800
India is going to shit too dumbass. They rely on services which America is slowly replacing with machines.

>>3611710
>Can you afford lighting/sound companies, the money to rent out a venue, a manager, a tour bus and set of tour trucks all on your own?
No, but neither can any new act. The labels fund this stuff and, in return, they own your master tapes (i.e. can sue you for playing your own music without their permission) and lock you into abusive contracts.

>record myself playing piano right now, it will sound terrible
Again, in exchange for using their state of the art facilities, abusive contracts and owning the masters. Only VERY big acts ever get to own their own masters, and many a popular band has fought their label for this, seemingly basic, right.

And for a little over $100, you can go to a professional studio and record stuff on high-end equipment for the day. The difference is, they give you the masters at the end of the day to do with as you wish.

>>3611800
True. Thanks, friend.
:D

>>3611823
Now this thread is going to shit. Now a brown communist and his future reincarnation will be posting their unsourced bullshitting

>>3611816
>>3611810
> I can make more reliable economic predictions than the IMF.

There, I drew out the implicit premise of your argument. No need to thank me.

>>3611418
Not really, google responds pretty quickly to copyright infringement notices without even verifying it

palms out sounds which is run on blogger, owned by google for those out of the loop, posted an article about one of their regular features, remix sunday, going away because google kept removing posts from their blog often with little or no explanation. the issue was that a few of the tracks were bootleg remixes of top 40 tracks and even though they had permission to post all the tracks on their blog all the riaa has to do is tell google to jump and it's gone.

kind of ironic actually:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_evil

>>3611837
link than big gangsta

Sure is nice up here in Canada, where they don't go after you for pirating music.

>>3611810
>15-64 years: 72.1% (male 495,724,889/female 469,182,087) - China / CIA Factbook.

Do the maths now and tell us the female per male ratio.
PLEASE.

howthehellisthisnotoriginal

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/


Pretty decent website made by my local newspaper that tracks obama's promises and such, good place to get info on what the fuck he's doing now

>>3611854
There are 60 MILLION more men than women in China
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/941511.stm

>>3611864
Getting information from something which is not official or scholarly is a bad idea

Yeah, because getting info from people that get their stuff right from Obama's mouth is a stupid thing to do.

>>3611869
You realize that there is 1,056572497 males per female, don't you?

>1,056572497
>1,056572497
>Demographic problem.

>1,056572497

>>3611869
that is a lot of horny chinks
:(

chink chicks are hot, too. what a shame.

britfag here, for once i must say i actually feel sorry for you guys.

>>3611953
One of my friends from high school married a Taiwanese girl and moved to China with her. He makes good money teaching people to speak enough English to get by, but he says they treat him like shit because he's not native to the area. He came by last summer with his kid, dude's like a year old, but he's a fucking genius.

>>3611922
You're making no sense. So there are Millions men for every woman in China?

>>3611973
Still great here in Canada, where the only ACTA is a fucking airline.

>>3611973
hey britfag, can we go over there? we'll even pretend to be canadian so you don't loathe us.

>>3611751

I'm not saying its about the band not being able to support itself. Of course they can make enough to drive a beat up van from nightclub to bar all across the country. I'm saying what do they do with their album if they want it to get out further? I doubt Best Buy or FYE is going to want much to do with an unsigned group of scene faggots from Kansas wanting to put paper-covered copies of CD-Rs from Staples in their stores.

What the fuck does a newspaper have to do with a record label? While there are idiots who want to treat music as a 9-5 job, and people who want to become local celebrities through playing an acoustic guitar and singing about the lovely park by city hall, there are others who are willing to get their music out to as many people as they can.

>>3611819

True, true. It is pretty fucked up that a record label wouldn't let a band have access to their own master tapes. But $100 for a day? Where the fuck do you live? A decent studio around here is almost $100 an hour.

>>3611980
Aw, Jesus.
Maybe this is the way your mind works: 1.056572497. RATIO.

>>3611980
The guy just divided de amount of males by the amount of females. 1.05 males per female.

l2excel, do it yourself

>>3611986
Try again, dude. Canada is in on the ACTA negotiations, and Harper even tried passing a Canadian version of the DMCA last year (Bill C-61), which was stopped because parliament was prorogued. He's going to try again soon.

I haven't had sex since Obama became president.

I for one hate Obama

He snubbed our Prime Minister

You don't snub our Prime Minister

Only we get to snub our Prime Minister

Motherfucker

>>3612002
Canadafag here. There is a recording studio near my house which is a co-op, operated by a bunch of aging hipsters and young musicians. They have 3 full sized sound proofed rooms and an isolation booth for drums/vocals. $100 gives you access to a mixer and a room, but you have to pay extra for tape, and you have the option of hiring an engineer.

I genuinely think it would be a great idea to travel around North America opening up places like this in every major city.

>>3612124

The post you're replying to here.

Goddamn, that sounds like a good deal. I've been thinking of moving to Canada eventually anyways. Not like "ZOMG I HATE TEH US IMMA LEAVE" but Canada actually seems like it would be a cool place to live. This just adds to that.

>>3612145
Whoa, there, feller. Take it easy, do some reading.
This studio is the only such place I've ever heard of, and my Canadian friends who live in different cities always freak out when I tell them about it. Also, our health care system is painfully inefficient.

If, however, you still would like to move to Canada, please do us the courtesy of learning French, our second official language.

>>3612187
And winter.

God won't ever let us forget winter.

>>3612187

Oh of course, I won't just come running up. I took French in high school, but I know I didn't do well, so I'll need to brush up and become somewhat more fluent in it.

True, there probably aren't that many of them, but it is still cool to know a place like that exists, even if I may never get to it.

I'll do my reading, promise!

>>3612195
Why do I suddenly feel like an immigration clerk?

Anyone have anything else interesting to say about copyright law?

>>3612322

No, I think classes/school have started for most underage b& now. Maybe the thread will pick up again later today when all the kiddies get out of school and boot up frostwire again.

>>3612375
If you're implying that teenagers know/care about copyright law, you're sorely mistaken. Most people not studying/working in law don't know shit about intellectual property, and the ones who do tend to be college age technohippies.

>>3612407

Well, I included college-age techno-hippies in school/classes, although most of those are not underage b&. Some of them may be leaving facebook chat open, but not wanting to check out r9k since the hot girl behind them might see the adverts and flip out and then they have lost any chance of sex with her.

Yea, I'm tired, so I'm being an asshole.

>>3612407
>>3612417
>implying college kids are in fact a reliable source of information
Yep we showed our rents didn't we? High school was nothing but bullshit and now that we're in college it's like we're invincible and stuff lol

>>3612441
Who implied that? I think he just meant kids will flock in here and give their retarded, uninformed opinions whether we want them to or not. See Monique higher up in the thread for an example.

>>3612490
And last time I checked calling people techno-hippies was meant to be an insult.

Am I going to go steal old school like fucking niggers? Really?

Yeah godforbid musicians actually profit from their work. How dare Obama side with the victims of piracy.

Let's be little sheep because of a nigger!

>>3612688
*sigh*
I'll try to do this more quickly this time, since its the third time.

The vast majority of working musicians don't get commissions, they get salaries or wages because they are not stars but session players. Even the stars take in less than 10% commission on sales of their albums because the labels skim so much off the top. And being tied to a label inevitably means: not owning your master tapes; being bound to a contract imposed on you when you weren't famous (read: abusive).

The music industry sustained itself for generations under the model that a musician was a performer who made their money on the road. They got payed based on charisma and performance skills. In the latter part of the 20th century, mostly because of FM radio, this changed and musicians were now supposed to be artists who sat in recording studios and got payed by number of records sold. The old generation raged at this, but it didn't stop the industry from changing. Now profits from record sales are dropping, and the largest sources of profit for musicians is becoming, once again, touring. Once again, this change is caused by a new method of distribution.

>>3612762
(continued)

There are countless ways to address the piracy problem that don't include criminalizing children (remember which generations are most likely to pirate music). One would be a blanket tax, exactly the same solution to piracy that was used with FM radio.

This has nothing to do with remunerating musicians. This has EVERYTHING to do with a dying industry trying to hold onto the power it amassed over decades. All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again*.

*sorry, I know that was lame, but I still have battlestar in the head

>>3612762
>>3612817

TL;DR: This doesn't help musicians, it helps record labels. Record labels have no real role to play in the age of the internet, so the RIAA lobbies the government to pass laws that will keep the labels alive.

>>3612843
And they will fail just like the horse carriage companies' attempts at staying alive failed, right? Right?

>>3612862
Its looking that way, yes. You don't make money by attacking music fans.

>>3612873
Thank god. Then the best course of action would be to just wait for it to fail, or actively try to help it fail, but not getting too worked up on it, right?

Glad to hear there are some in here who have a clue.

Don't fall for the music industries propaganda.

Real musicians make money from touring. They always have, and always will.

Now just don't get me started on the monopolization of live music by the like of clearchanel, etc...

Bill Graham where are you. We need you back.

>>3612896
Did you READ the article in OP? Do you KNOW about the ACTA? Intellectual property lobbies are extremely powerful, all over the world. I've told a little story about the record industry, but this is only one part of copyright (books, movies, etc.) and all those industries are actively fighting their own demise. They also have tons of resources, legal and otherwise. And let's not forget that copyright is just half of the equation, since there are also patents. That's a whole other shit storm. Its astonishingly difficult to demolish monolithic structures.

I won't go into it, but consider that any network functions by copying information from point A to point B. COPYING, not simply transferring. And copyright law presides over acts of copying. Back in the days before VHS, and tape decks, only big publishing companies had the ability to copy shit, so copyright law only really applied to those companies. Now, every single thing you do online falls under the realm of copyright law. That's a monstrous expansion of the powers of a law that used to regulate such a small part of our lives.

Think of 4chan. How many of the images that are posted in 4chan are copyrighted? I'm guessing a lot. Now think of having to get permission from, e.g., Disney's lawyers, before being able to post shit. The same goes for youtube mashups, remix albums (e.g. the grey album), and anything that involves any type of copying. Even for non-profit uses.

FUCK I'm being preachy... I'm gonna go have a smoke, fuck you guys.

>>3613024
hmm... i don't know if i can trust you, but if not, that's the best troll I've ever seen...

>>3612762
>>3612817
>>3613024

Ladies and gentlemen, we have witnessed the birth of a new type of attention whore: The Failed Academic.

I propose: all of 4chan should donate their MP3 collections to bailout fund. At the price of 150K per file, I'm pretty sure we together can collect trillions and save the economy.

I think we should cut off the hands of emo guitarists

>>3613438
Bad idea.
We cut off their heads.
That way they can't become emo singers.

So... the public will go broke, and the riaa will amass all the money in the world

>>3613532
The RIAA doesn't own every copyrighted item in the world.