>>3070577
Don't really understand why it matters.

It is pretty easy to not rape someone

love me some rape

girl btw

It was previously when women were virginal and innocent; not these days when the average woman is a whore riding a carousel of nigger dicks every weekend.

YOu are correct Opee. BUt get ready for irrational feminazi cunts to flood this thread with bullshit.

most women actually want to be raped

so as i see it, you're probably doing her favour

not only will she cum buckets but she will thereafter be entitled to parade her grief in every conceivable forum and be constantly at the centre of attention which is, incidentally, another thing women crave.

so it's win/ win imho

The physical aspect can be harmful in the sense that it's unprotected sex, the guy often cums inside and there are risks of pregnancy and stds. The intent of the rapist is the most harmful part. People that get raped often become paranoid, have trust issues, sexually molest others, start to act just plain crazy, etc. So yes, actual rape is harmful.

I think rape is kind of overblown as a crime because we make this HUGE deal out of sex. I think it's a lot less worse than murder or heavy injury; I think if you drive over someone while drunk, that's worse than if you rape someone.

On the other hand, in the current climate, women are raised to think that their sexuality is a good to keep and protect and if somebody takes it away from them, they've become majorly devalued. All of the "only virgin girls are pure!" idiots? These people are one of the reasons why raped people feel so awful.
So, you can't really blame them for feeling awful over being raped, and I really wouldn't want to mansplain to them that they should just get over it.

I DO however think that one should not make a big fuss over it. Oh, and rapists deserve substantial jail time still.

The only difference between rape and any other serious assault is how people respond to it.

We should be more concerned about other kinds of assault, not less concerned about rape.

First of all, I wasn't raped, I've only endured some mild sexual assault (groping, dryhumping).

I agree with you about the physical part. But the worst thing about it is not "oh no this person does x and I don't want that person to do that", it's the sensation that your own desires are agressively pushed aside, that your own will power is broken.
Of course this is also the case when someone beats you up pretty badly, but with sexual stuff you have the element of shame, and it quite literally hits closer home.

Compare it to the people who found a burglar in their house, but he took off before taking anything with him. Nothing happened, right? Except that at night, they'll be scared to death and wide awake with every sound, because they've suddenly become aware they're not safe in their house anymore. That if someone chooses to, they could be right in there.

Imagine that, and not being able to move, not being able to get security or fancy locks. The illusion of being safe gets shattered.

Having said that I do agree it's not worse than murder like some people seem to believe. My only point is that the experience goes way deeper than physical trauma: it's the mental trauma that matters.

So assuming youre a male, imagine some nigger fucking you in the ass. Then, he cums inside and you have a baby which you must either abort or give birth to. Thats fucking traumatic. And thats not even real rape, the kind like in the Rape of Nanking where 6 year old girls pass out from internal haemorraging, being strangled, pistol-whipped during a gang rape by 24 men.

>>3070666
>>3070680

I agree.

It may sound callous but I think the worst injury, mental, is sustained after the rape.

All those support groups, therapist meetings, tea and sympathy... What else is a woman to be expected to believe, except that she has (obviously by the reaction) been through a profoundly traumatic, life-altering experience?

It may sound cold but I think the damage could be limited by just giving these women a nice cup of tea, telling her to get herself off to bed and everything will seem better in the morning.

Not this decades-long trauma inducing reaction we are expected to act out.

>>3070680
>The only difference between rape and any other serious assault is how people respond to it.
Now, let's be open about this and see if this thesis actually holds.

For one - what is different is
- the cultural context (regular violence is less, albeit still, "shameful" because when you are raped, people make a big fuss over it)
- the intentions of the perpetrator
- the associations with genitals and sex; usually, you use sex for fun and bonding, now, it is used for pain and out of disrespect. The contrast is greater!
- more?

I mean, I think we can have a debate how rape and other violence compare, but we shouldn't simply assume they're the same.

If the sex aspect didn't mean a think, things like "cheating" wouldn't exist. "We hugged for the goodbye!"- no big thing. "We fucked for fun!"- bigger thing.

>>3070704
Well you should also keep in mind that by far most women get raped by a friend or family member. It's not simply having had sex against your wishes, also the betrayal of having someone you thought was "safe" attack you for personal pleasure.
(And in the case of guys, they often find the knowledge of having had sex with a man quite horrible/"tainting".)

Plus what I said here; >>3070694

I do agree that hyping it up is only going to make women feel worse. But I don't think there's nothing more to it, just that it doesn't help.

>>3070704
Fairly sure the therapist meetings will tell you it's fine, it's not your fault, and so on; they deal with the thoughts you already have after the rape.

>It may sound cold but I think the damage could be limited by just giving these women a nice cup of tea, telling her to get herself off to bed and everything will seem better in the morning.
Start out with this, and then SEE WHAT HAPPENS, IMO. If she's fine, she's fine. If she's traumatized, give her some help. People also get PSTD after getting robbed. It's all the same; if it has hurt you, it HAS HURT YOU. Only you know your pain.

What I really think has to stop is the main thing you were referring to: other people telling you how awful it must have been, how your life is ruined now etc. Whenever I hear somebody react to a story about rape by saying "oh no, how could the rapist ruin her life!", I get all in their face and tell them to not judge the person's life before it is lived.
By telling somebody their life is ruined, you make it worse.

>>3070727
I see your argument, but I think it has a problem. Is stranger rape or acquaintance rape worse?
Because you would say, acquaintance rape should be WAY worse, and stranger rape way less.
Let's ignore factors like violence (usually higher for stranger rape) and age (usually higher for stranger rape, too).

>>3070705

The sex aspect makes it different to some degree.

People just underestimate how badly a physical assault can fuck you up. It's not just oh I got beaten up better luck next time.

With rape, memories of this incident can be triggered by the normal biological desire for sex. Since people think about sex all the time, it means it's harder for a rape victim to just forget about their assault.

>>3070666
This. Rape is a big deal because even consensual sex is a big deal. If we were to reduce the punishment for rape to suit the physical injury, we would have to remove the stigma from all forms of sex.

>>3070742
I think acquaintance rape is worse, because it shows you were unable to judge that person's character well, and they are simply part of your personal life. If you get raped by a stranger I think it would be easier to try to "forget" about it during the day: if you go to the school where you met your rapist every day, or to the house he used to visit, you have a lot of reminders going on. Plus the reaction from others - it's easier to hate a stranger than a family friend or someone from your social circle. You'll have to deal with people not believing you or still hanging out with them, that's just going to happen.

>>3070753
Oh, okay. Indeed, I feel rape is a bit overblown, and the psychological effects of nonsexual nonfatal injury are often overlooked.

>>3070766
That's your logical perspective, but is it TRUE? Is that actually how victims of either form of rape feel?

My entire opinion about rape changed when I learned that most sluts come during the act.

Fuck them for using a gratifying experience to play the victim card for eternity.

>>3070778
>That's your logical perspective, but is it TRUE? Is that actually how victims of either form of rape feel?
I don't know. I do know I felt pretty shitty after my friends kept hanging out with the guy who had touched me while I was asleep, and I hate seeing him at group things. I think that would be a lot stronger if he'd raped me but I can't say that for sure.

Also I've read that sexual abuse of children often results in more severe trauma when the abuser is one of the parents. You don't really have a "safe space" that way. If you get raped by a stranger, your school, house etc are still safe places.

I have a friend who is a guy that got raped, at Bible camp of all places. He was raped by two other teenagers that he had to share a room with the whole week. These guys then called him a faggot for not being able to stop them.

My friend became sexually confused for a while afterwards and had sex with other men even though he was very anti-gay. He would always talk shit about gay men, yet he would get drunk and make out with guys. As far as I know, now he basically is afraid of sex. I honestly think he wouldn't act like this if he wasn't raped.

>>3070797
You're a retard. I'll hear you defend yourself when a black guy grabs your penis and you get hard.

And yes, this will happen. Human biology, how does it work?

>>3070705
There are differences, but the point of OP's question is to ask what are the differences and how to those differences make the crime of rape worse than an assault. The things that you have pointed out are relevant differences, but to what extent do they actually account for a rational difference between assault and rape.

I think what the OP is expressing is essentially teh same concern I have where I know if I were given teh choice between a rape with minimal physical injury and a serious beating, I would rather be raped. It would suck, but it wouldn't be as bad.

>>3070804
>I don't know. I do know I felt pretty shitty after my friends kept hanging out with the guy who had touched me while I was asleep
ahahahahahaha fuck your friends.

>Also I've read that sexual abuse of children often results in more severe trauma when the abuser is one of the parents
But a significant factor here is age. If you're raped by your parents, you're 12, and you're probably raped repeatedly.
That's definitely worse than a 30yo being raped once, or even a 12yo being raped by a stranger once, but let's compare a 20yo being raped by a friend they trust, vs being raped by a stranger.
Or, well, let's not compare, because it's creepy.

I don't know. I read some statistics about stranger vs. acquitance rape victims at rape centers the other day and the differences seem to be low, with the main difference being that underage victims are rarely victims of strangers.

I think for most women the trauma comes form the fact that their bodies betray them. A lot of women give in during the act of rape and even orgasm. So yeah the physical damage isn't so bad, but the mental one is.

So yeah rape is probably the best sex ever considering women actually like it rough, and a cramping vagina feels really good around the penis.

>>3070814
Clearly you have never tried to fap to an ugly woman

>>3070766
I agree.

It is entirely a woman's own fault if she is raped by an acquaintance. Rather less her fault if it's a stranger... But possibly more exciting for her too?

So swings and roundabouts...

>Meanwhile at OP's house
>Ethics and morals in trash can

>>3070838
Ah well, at least he didn't actually rape me, I've heard stories in which a girl was raped by a close friend, and although all her friends believed her, they kept hanging out with him. This seems to be pretty common, really. People will tell you it sucks, but hey, no personal harm for them so yeah.

I agree that the younger the person is, the worse it is, I think mostly because at 20 you'd most likely have sexual experiences (or at least expectations) of your own, so it's not as though the rape completely paints your picture of sex/intimacy. So I guess the more positive experiences you have with intimacy to compensate with, the less likely it is you'll become one of those people who freeze up when they get hugged.

I'm not sure either, it just seemed more logical to me. Perhaps there are other reasons (such as more violence or more fear that he'll actually finish you off) in "favour" of stranger rape, that sort of make things equal in the end.

>>3070797
Maybe you should have put more research into it if it changed your entire opinion? You'd know "most" is totally inaccurate; the estimates are anywhere from 5-25%. Add to this the fact that at least a fifth of women have no idea what an actual orgasm is and it's easy to see how sketchy this number is.

By this logic you'd also have to condemn men that orgasm when they are raped.

>>3070848
Fapping is not the same. If someone touches your penis in a sexual way and persists, you WILL get hard, no matter how frightened and no matter how disgusted. (And you'll climax if he keeps going at it.)

People are made for reproduction, simple as that. If the sexual stuff is heavy enough, your brain concludes that you have an opportunity to spread seed, and tells you to go for it. (Unless you have ID.)

I don't know. I know a lot of people act fucking dumb about ANY sensitive topic (like people sending death threats to comedians who make a rape joke. That shit is dumb)

But my girlfriend was raped by her best friend, and I don't think it was "society" that fucked her up. She didn't tell ANYONE until years after the fact, no one coddled and cried over her. But she is still emotionally damaged. She's improved a lot with support from me (since she finally told me last year) but aside from me and I believe two close friends she still hasn't told a soul. I don't really think society's reaction to rape is what frames a victim's mindset. I think everyone reacts in their own way.

>>3070874
Okay, you've kind of convinced me.
I do however think that the two are probably different in HOW they hurt you, psychologically; acquaintance rape will probably rather give you trust issues, stranger rape will probably rather make you fear new people and going outside.

>>3070845
>>3070852
Hey, can you two maybe go back to having awful lives and being depressed over it? We're kind of having a discussion over here.

>>3070890
I touched my penis in a sexual way for a good 5 minutes before giving up because I wasn't getting hard. I'm not sure what kind of dedication my rapist is going to have where he's going to be working harder than that to get me up.

male parts don't work the same as female parts. just because bitches get off during rape doesn't mean a man will

>>3070852
>It is entirely a woman's own fault if she is raped by an acquaintance.

what am i fucking reading

>>3070874
This is an anonymous forum so you can admit the truth: do you ever fantasise that he did rape you, or masturbate to general thoughts of being raped?

You do, don't you?

You fucking want it.

No shame in it.

All good girls want it.

Good and hard and rough and sore; that's how they want it.

Slapped and pulled and forced and bitten and twisted and spat on and cum in.

That's what you want, isn't it?

>men (and women) who have been raped?
that's edgy op, that's edgy.

>>3070904
I for one am not saying that society MAKES it; only that it's one factor.
And it's more about what you hear society say about sex and rape in general that makes the impact. You read "girl's life destroyed by creepy old man!" 10 times a year, and it makes you BELIEVE that shit, it makes you believe that somebody is actually able to steal your worth as a human being through your vagina.

>>3070907
I agree with that. Although not based on much I'm inclined to assume that stranger rape will also give you less fear towards other men, since the rapist sort of came out of nowhere and has nothing to do with the people you are actually familiar with. You can sort of consider him as a different category.
Assuming you don't actually think of the acquaintance as a (potential) rapist, I think that would mess more with your feelings towards men, seeing how even a seemingly nice one turned on you.
But again I think that is also largely dependent on your other experiences. If you're lonely and unhappy to begin with, it just may be the final straw for your faith in humanity. If you normally feel happy and loved, it will probably be a lot easier to put into perspective.

>>3070925
YES I WANT IT :D

>>3070947
Which reminds me, I don't know how rapists choose their targets; if they go for cute victims, or victims who look like they won't fight back ...

>>3070666
>All of the "only virgin girls are pure!" idiots? These people are one of the reasons why raped people feel so awful.

Except they were sluts before, a little raping doesn't magically make them more slutty, they were already as slutty as can be and I had no respect or care for them to begin with because of it.

Fuck em. If you spread your legs that often, I don't care if you're raped, the only difference is you weren't willing that one time out of 20.

However yes, op is right, rape is a medium tier crime at best, it's really not that bad and is retarded in how it's treated.

>>3070934
I don't know, dude. It's certainly possible, but I feel it's a little presumptuous to make assumptions about people's feelings like that. You've never been raped, nor have I, and I fucking hope neither of us ever are, so we can't know how it feels. We can only know through victims' explanations, and I personally wouldn't dream of telling my girl "well, you probably only feel that so strongly because society blah blah blah."

My girlfriend is very, very unwilling to talk about it in detail at all. I only know the barest facts of the whole ordeal, but I can tell you that her feelings are REALLY strong on the subject.

>>3070921
If you knowingly take a risk and then things don't work out for you, it is your fault that they didn't. Don't want to be raped? Don't put yourself in a situation where you are going to be raped.

Don't even bother pretending that the woman doesn't know she might be raped in these situations. Everyone gets told about how common date/acquaintance rape is.

>>3070961
Rapists generally go for women who they think are into them and who let him buy her drinks all night and take her home.

>>3070925
>do you ever fantasise that he did rape you, or masturbate to general thoughts of being raped?

Dude, trust me, you haven't seen this guy. He's gross, loud, obnoxious. He's the type of guy who will make fun of the more quiet (and much nicer) guys - making a "witty" comment and snapping stuff like "who asked you?" as soon as one of them replies. Dumb as a brick - not actually stupid since he did well enough in school, but a male version of a stupid blonde. And to top it all off he looks like he's half monkey. Not kidding.

And no, no rape fantasies, never had, don't think I ever will. My fetish is substance abuse, I get off to guys blowing out smoke while I blow them. Sorry.

>>3070921
Entirely? No. Is it her fault still? Yes.
Her poor judgement and inability to read peoples intentions are her own fault, and they are what led to being raped in that situation.

>>3070904
Just because she hasn't told anyone that she specifically was raped doesn't mean the victim mentality wasn't being pushed on her. If you attend school, watch tv, the conversation of rape comes up around you, it's already imprinted on your how a rape victim is supposed to feel.

>>3070925
great, this is now rape masturbatory thread #46421583

Unrelated anon, but even if she DID fantasize about it, that wouldn't make rape forgivable. Just like we don't punish people for fantasizing about raping others, it's stupid to say someone would have deserved rape if they fantasized about being raped. The jump from imagination to fruition is a huge one. Sluts are looked down upon not because they desire so much sex, it's because they ACT on it.

>>3070984
>>3070975
So you're basically saying that women should never leave their houses or ever speak to anyone because anyone could be a rapist at any time.

You don't see why that's a little crazy?

Or why it's probably stupid to say shit like "don't get raped" instead of "don't rape"?

>>3070999
Fuck, my /vg/ trip keeps popping on at random, please disregard my faggotry.

>>3070978
>>3070965
>>3070975
I wish you were raped
by a PANDA BEAR

>>3070972
I wouldn't say it like that. Rather, as I said, what I'm doing is: when I hear somebody say "she got raped? How could he RUIN HER LIFE?"; I tell them to shut up, and not judge, and that NOBODY has the power to destroy any future you might have simply by touching your vagina, and that a human's soul and worth are theirs, and not subject to anybody else's violence.
I think if you hear that "rape = life ruined" line, that's definitely not helping. I think, and that's also your main point I see, that we should let people decide for themselves how they feel about it. We shouldn't tell them "it's no big thing", we shouldn't tell them "it's a BIG THING!", we should listen.

>>3070961
From all research I have ever layed my eyes upon, they just go for girls who look like they won't fight back.
This also feels sort of logical to me. Some guys on here will talk about rape as though it's an almost-natural response to skanky girls: I think an individual needs to have something seriously "off" to even consider it an option.
I find it much more likely that most of the rapists have long satisfied their fetish with porn, and when they finally decide to go for it, the prospect of seeing their ultimate fantasy playing out is so arousing that it hardly even matters what the victim looks like.

Plus people are designed to respond with agression towards people who act submissively or afraid. That attitude tells us "look, that person fears you - would that mean they have reason to fear me, because I'm stronger?" It gives a sense of power that brings out the worst in people.

I have to say that on an emotional level I can relate to the guys not having sympathy for slutty-dressed girls who get raped: I have caught myself thinking "we'll see how much you like it when someone actually responds to that" when seeing a girl walking down the street in just tights and some revealing top. But everything seems to point towards no existing link, so I don't think there's much truth or use in those thoughts.

>>3070979
>My fetish is substance abuse, I get off to guys blowing out smoke while I blow them. Sorry.
If you bring the coke, I can bring my penis.

Also, you could probably say the 'rapists typically are loud, obnoxious "alpha" type guys' again.

>>3070608
This.. so much truth there.
Who gives a fuck nowadays. Most sluts won't even notice at first, that someone has inserted a dick in their gaping holes.

>>3070984
No, I think the rapist raping her is what led to her being raped in that situation. I'm inclined to blame him for it.

>>3071017
Your life would probably be easier if you stopped giving a fuck about how much clothes other people wear.

>>3071014
In that case, I agree with you 100% and so does my girlfriend, we had the exact same discussion once. She even hates the tumblr social justice "trigger warning" bullshit as well. Just because something bad happened to you doesn't make you irreparably damaged forever. Though, again, some people take this entirely the wrong direction and like to say shit like "feminazis are oversensitive" and such, which is kind of the direction I thought you were leaning at first.

>>3071024
I unfortunately have no money for that, but that's no problem in my mind.

>Also, you could probably say the 'rapists typically are loud, obnoxious "alpha" type guys' again.
Err... it's hard to describe him and I don't want to post a pic, but he's not "alpha". No one actually likes him, they just sort of put up with him. He's kind of chubby, has a beard, is only actually okay to be around when he's drunk off his ass. He lost his virginity to a 30+ year old woman at a festival when he was 18 or something. He's hardly alpha. Just a douche in general.

>>3071036
I usually don't, and I try not to when I catch myself, only one out of god knows how many girls one looks so attentionwhorish that it irks me.

>>3070999
That's life, and it's not particularly fair. There's always a balance between risks and reasonable precautions. Getting wasted in the club and being upset when some skeezy guy takes you home is an unnecessary risk and it's your fault if it happens

Walking down the street at a reasonable hour is a necessary risk and no one will blame you if something bad happens. Foolishly being out at 2 in the morning in a shitty part of town is probably your fault and you should be blamed for it.

>>3071039
I find victim blaming an utterly weird concept.
YES, it would have been smarter of those jews who could leave Germany back in 1933 to have left. NO, I'm not gonna blame the guy who starved to death in 1944 for starving to death.

>>3071036
I just realized that you're exactly like Derrida, only instead of regurgitating shit you read in the manosphere despite having no real world experience of, you just spew mindless social justice garbage that you picked up on a 15 year old girl's tumblr.

>>3070703
That's not the same. I'm not gay and I'm not a woman, so I'm not as submissive as women are, so obviously it won't be the same for me.

I wish I was a girl so I could parade myself in a revealing outfit in front if all you fuckers in a public place just to piss you off.

>>3071053
Not every rape takes place in an obviously dangerous place or happens because of an obviously dangerous person. Sure, it's dumb to go out alone and unarmed at night in a shitty part of town, woman or man. But whether you get mugged or raped, the criminal is doing something wrong. Of course you should take precautions to protect yourself, but if something does happen it's not your fault, it's the perpetrator's. And what's your reasoning for the many, many people who are raped by people they know well?

>>3071056
I agree, as evidenced above.

Rape can do things to the mind that you're sort of glazing over though. It ruins your sense of security and can undermine your self-worth as a person.

I don't believe rape victims are forever ruined by the ordeal, but I think it's normal for a period of grief to follow.

That being said, I think we take rape claims far too seriously, leading many men to be imprisoned by women simply because she said she was raped.

>>3071050
Well okay, we can't all be Zen all the time.

>>3071042
I mean, for a free BJ, I'd probably, I don't know ... I could just snort some flour.
Yes, I think I'd snort flour for a BJ.
Assuming it's a good one.

Also, that's actually the very first time I heard of that fetish. Is that like the "drawing lines off a hooker's ass" fetish, only this time, the hooker is the one who's having fun?

Not really since I have a basic grasp on human psychology and am not a stupid retard like you.

>>3070907
>Hey, can you two maybe go stop having opinions I don't like? We're kind of having a circle jerk over here.

I'm a dude and I disagree.
Imagine someone raping your anus. I mean forcefully putting his dick in your anus. I feel empy inside, just thinking about it.

>>3070999
No, where did I say that?

I'm saying if you can't learn to judge peoples character and intentions, that is AN ISSUE WITH YOU.

That's nobody elses fault but your own.

Same with all these bitches who sleep with guys and say 'but i really liked him I thought he liked me too! bawwww i'm not a slut really!'

You get a couple chances. Fall for it once and not realise, fine, twice, maybe, three times? You're a fucking retard of a person.

>>3071072
and than be completely fucking confused because of your delusions, why would anyone be frustrated enough to want to rape you

>>3071101
I feel really fucking angry, just thinking about it. Like, I want to break that guy's legs.
But our world tends to produce women who internalize pain, and men who externalize pain.
Also, women usually can't break a guy's legs, whereas I can.

>>3071114
>implying you'd be getting raped if you could

>>3071101
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>>3071070

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>>3071091
>>3071109
Hey you two, on a scale from 1 to 100, 100 being holocaust and 1 being chocolate, how much does your life suck?

>>3071080
That made me laugh.

But no, it's a mental thing, it has to do with the hedonism: knowing that person has set aside rational arguments in order to pleasure/enjoy himself in a way that would be looked down upon by society.
Plus the intimacy of taking care of someone who's vulnerable and quite possibly making a fool out of himself. Seeing someone without him being able to put on any masks.
And of course it doesn't hurt that some drugs make you quite focussed on sex or heighten the sensations.

And sadly I've never heard anyone else with this, either.

>>3071074
Fault isn't a one person or the other deal. The victim can be at fault without mitigating the fault of the perpetrator. More generally, fault is separate from the question of legal accountability which isn't really being discussed. Separate the two questions in your mind for clarity.

You say that not every rape happens in a dangerous situation, and I agree with that. However, the point I was making is that women go out of their way to tell us that acquaintance rape is a serious concern, but then their actions fail to reflect that fact by taking appropriate precautions. Don't get wasted in a club. Don't invite the guy you've been dating twice back to your place. Don't hang out alone with men.

Or they can just stop acting like it is the end of the world and that they are blameless and I'll be more sympathetic.

>>3071109
So if you're autistic you deserve to get raped all the time, then?

Nah, I still think the person taking advantage of someone's naivety or inability to discern motives is the one to blame.

>>3071121
It's definitely better than being a beta manlet faggot like you

>>3071109
Sometimes people pretend to be who they're not. I'm pretty sure many people have thought someone was one thing when he/she was actually quite different.

>>3071123
So you're asking women to consider everyone they know (or don't know) a potential rapist. After all, no matter how well you think you know the guy, what if you're wrong, huh? It's your fault then for not seeing it earlier.
I'm looking forward to another thread were robots complain about how women always seem to treat men as potential rapists.

>>3071127
>So if you're autistic you deserve to get raped all the time, then?

After reading the shit autists come out with on here, yeah.

>>3071145
Don't be silly, you should be aware that absolutely everyone could be out to get you at all times, not just men.

>>3071122
>But no, it's a mental thing, it has to do with the hedonism: knowing that person has set aside rational arguments in order to pleasure/enjoy himself in a way that would be looked down upon by society.
My girlfriend might be a bit similar. You know the part in Oscar Wilde's "The Importance of Being Earnest", where Algernon secretly eats all of the cucumber sandwiches and then complains how there's no cucumber sandwiches because there weren't any cucumbers at the market? She told me she loves the guy and he's her favorite character.
My point seems to be, my girlfriend is really tame, your coke = her cucumber sandwiches.

>Plus the intimacy of taking care of someone who's vulnerable and quite possibly making a fool out of himself. Seeing someone without him being able to put on any masks.
Oh my, I'm sure I'm so ridiculous while getting blown. I make the most weird of noises.
Which is, to me, kind of the fun about oral; the noises the recipient makes.

>>3071123
>Or they can just stop acting like it is the end of the world and that they are blameless and I'll be more sympathetic.
People would probably be more sympathetic with you if you weren't such an ass

>>3071145
If they're really concerned about it because it's the worst thing in the world, then that is exactly what they should do. It's not even that difficult in most cases, it just requires you to have friends to do things with and make slightly different plans.

>>3071137
>>3071127
And if you KEEP falling for it, the fault is with you.
I'm pretty sure 2 free passes is more than enough.

And no, an autistic person should have someone taking care of them in general, so they wouldn't be left alone in that situation.

It's your own fault for enabling the situation if that happens, and you should learn to be better.

It's not completely their fault, but they are partly responsible, deal w/ it.

>>3071134
Which is probably why you're so angry and mean, and I'm so relaxed

>>3071123
Don't hang out alone with men?
Seriously?

As I mentioned, my girlfriend was raped by her best friend. A person who had previously proven himself to have her back, just as she had his. They'd known each other for several years. She was convinced he really was a trustworthy person-- who the fuck wouldn't be at that point?

And then he raped her. Because hey, surprise, he's (probably) a sociopath who's great at manipulating and faking emotions. Does that make it her fault?

Again, it's really stupid to blame the victim. Not every rape is like your strawman examples. And furthermore, you really want every woman to treat every man like a potential threat? Like men are stupid animals who can't control themselves and need to be kept at arms' reach at all times? That's pretty offensive too, to basically every male that isn't a fucking rapist.

I don't understand why you're promoting a paranoid existence when it would be so much more workable to promote not raping people.

>>3071163
Haha, I don't mind overeating, either. As long as there's no force and he's enjoying himself. And I do prefer heroin, coke's not bad, though.

And indeed, I find it very intimate.

CAN WE GET SOME BITCHES UP IN HERE WHO WILL ADMIT THEY WANT TO BE RAPED and/or REGULARLY FANATASISE ABOUT BEING RAPED?

ESPECIALLY SKINNY BITCHES WHO WILL USE A TRIP AND POST PROOF OF SEX.

WE WANT TO KNOW ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN AND- THIS IS KEY- FROM WHAT AGE YOUR RAPE FANTASY DEVELOPED.

FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD A SEXUALLY PRECOCIOUS 13YO HAVE RAPE FANTASIES? OR WOULD THEY DEVELOP LATER?

DO I LOVE HEARING ABOUT AND FROM SLUTS WHO WANT TO BE RAPED? WOO DADDY, DO I EVER!

I wonder why the thread started out all reasonable (like, we had our differences, but we could talk about them, weren't insane whiny manosphere internet males), and then, suddenly, the misogynist parade rolled and now it's all RAPE THE SLUTTTTTTT

>>3071168
>it just requires you to have friends
Friends? Don't you mean POTENTIAL RAPISTS?

>have rape fantasies
>whine about rape
Female logic at its finest.

>>3071184

>Implying this is true of all or even a plurality of women.

>>3071184
>every woman is exactly the same
>i sure am glad my world is so simple and easy to understand, otherwise I might have to think critically

>>3071168
By the way, I like how your alternative to intense paranoia is not giving a shit about being raped.

>>3071172
Why do you give the idiot so much thought? He's not making any sense. "Women who get raped deserve to get raped because they could have done certain things and they wouldn't have been raped!" Yeah sure. Ignore 'em.

>>3071163
You're not even on-topic anymore, tripcunt.
I'm sure your reddit friends will appreciate your story about noises you make while getting blown by your gayfriend more than we do.

>>3071172
>Don't hang out alone with men?

It is pretty funny how /r9k/ basically has the exact same ideals as Islam (but of course we call them mudslimes and how they should fuck off back to paki land).

Its usually ones own fault if they get raped

>>3071163
Your objectivity is clouded. What I'm saying is perfectly reasonable as all I'm asking is for women to have behavior consistent with their expressed values.

It's unfortunate that men do bad shit, but they do more bad shit to each other than they do to women; look at the victim of assaults generally and you'll see men have it worse. I don't have sympathy for dumbasses who get knocked aorund in a bar fight either.

>>3071196
I'm sure I disturbed your little circle jerk about how much you think rape victims should stop whining because it's their fault and also, how fuckin' bitches never go with nice guys like you, but with alpha assholes, like, totally sure, I think I'll leave and get pegged some while updating my tumblr.

>>3071170
Which is probably, why you have to crave attention even on an anonymous image board.

>>3071200
>I don't have sympathy for dumbasses who get knocked aorund in a bar fight either.

Oh so you're not a sexist just a dickhead in general, alright then that's much better.

>>3071200
Right, if a group of people beats you senseless as you're walking down the street one night, obviously that's your own fault too as you should've anticipated it and you probably pissed them off earlier anyway.

>>3071184
Just imagine all those angry feminists masturbating to the thought of a strong dominant man raping them, how can anyone with half a brain take those cunts seriously?

>>3071200
>Your objectivity is clouded
I don't even claim any objectivity.
People aren't logical, ever.

What's funny is how people put on some kind of "I'm only having a rational opinion, everyone else is emotional womenchildren" face while saying things like "If you get raped, it's your fault, wear a Burkha, bitch".

>>3071198
Either don't hang out with men alone or don't act surprised when you get raped.

The ridiculous thing about this is that most women have basically figure this out. If you look at rape statistics, half of them occur before women are 18. By the time people are actually old enough to make good decisions, they are reasonably successful about it. I'm not telling women anything that they don't already know, they're just offended when I say it instead of them just having to think it. But here's an idea, maybe if we actually educated people about how they should act to avoid being raped, the numbers would go even lower.

>>3071223
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of misogynists fapping to the thought of being trampled on or otherwise dominated.

Sexual fantasies =/= real life.

>>3071223
I'll just imagine you getting off to the thought of being dominated by a feminist and stop taking you seriously.

I hate how you fucks beat around the bush. Op you should've just said that you advocate rape which you do. Rape is fucked up period. You're taking away a person's dignity and their ability to choose what to do with their body. Not to mention it has reproductive functions which means pregnancy could occur. Then there's also the chance of STDs or STIs. Theres the fact that a lot of rapists like to beat the ever loving shit out of their victim who is weak and pretty much helpless. Theres a lot of reasons for rape to be a capital offense. Its a very fucked up thing to do to another human being. And yes people who've been raped should be emotionally scarred. Its not cute and funny "surprise sex". Its taking away the dignity of another human being and if you're into that then you're a sociopath and you're a menace.

It should be as much of a crime as kidnapping or aggravated assault. You're violating someone's person in a way that is irreparable, particularly if you have an STD or (in the case of male-on-female rape) emotionally and psychologically due to concerns about possible pregnancy, and what might have to be done because of that.

You're violating someone's freedom and bodily integrity.

Having known several women who have been raped, I can tell you that it is indeed harmful. Paranoia, trust issues, STDs, PTSD, crushed esteem, and if they had S.O's, in all but two cases, it broke apart the relationship.

(Why? Because the men acted like sullen children when the damage didn't seem external. They acted like the lot of you probably would-- "Oh, she's not really all that banged up, she probably enjoyed it"-- and completely ignored the fact that their wife/girlfriend was suffering emotional and psychological issues because of it. And I seriously considered going over and smacking them when they (the women) confessed that their S.O was still pressuring them for sex when they weren't remotely ready for it.)

I know only ONE woman who didn't suffer some serious psychological trauma as a result of being raped, and that was because she's one of those people with an extraordinarily fucked-up past. Father molested her, she'd been molested and coerced and raped several times when she was in a gang, she had quite a few hard drugs to help her disassociate from reality (she's trying to quit, and has whittled it down to just marijuana), and is overall very glad she's just alive right now and with what amounts to her soul mate.

(Those two were made for each other, I swear... the way a panda is meant to be strapped down to a motorcycle and raced through flaming hoops.)

>>3071231
I hope you get trampled to death by a slutwalk stampede!

>Either don't hang out with men alone or don't act surprised when you get raped.
haha

MEN: THEY'RE BASICALLY MONSTER APES INCAPABLE OF CONTROLLING THEIR SHIT. EXPECT ALL MEN TO BE VIOLENT CRIMINALS!
fuckin' sexist

>>3071232
Look at all of our vidya.

>>3071189
it is true for majority of women.
>From 1973 through 2008, nine surveys of women's rape fantasies have been published. They show that about four in 10 women admit having them (31 to 57 percent) with a median frequency of about once a month. Actual prevalence of rape fantasies is probably higher because women may not feel comfortable admitting them.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-th
ey-mean

>>3071230
If you think sexual arousal has no effect on the ability of the brain to exert self control over impulses, then you are just willfully ignorant. Same thing for alcohol. Same thing for being tired. Add all three together and it's a miracle that there aren't more rapes than there are. Human beings are limited by their biology and if you don't recognize that are design your life accordingly, you are asking for trouble and causing people unnecessary pain.

>>3071231
YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG FELLA.

BY THE TIME THEY'RE 18, WHO THE FUCK WOULD WANT TO RAPE THEM?

NO, MY FRIEND, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RAPE YOU GET IN NICE AND YOUNG WHILE THEY'RE FRESH AND CURIOUS.

IN FOR A PENNY, IN FOR A POUND. IT'S ALREADY RAPE ANYWAY SO FILL YER BOOTS.

>>3071232
Not really.

If you get off to the thought of being raped you like the idea of rape, it's just like saying you like masturbating to trannies and saying you don't like them.

>>3071231

>Either don't hang out with men alone or don't act surprised when you get raped.

...Or men could stop raping people.

>>3071169
Who says rape victims "KEEP falling for it?"

>>3071252

I have rape fantasies, but I wouldn't want to be raped.

The point of the rape fantasy is to fall into the idea that you're giving up control without willingly giving it up, and because it's a fantasy, it involves someone you trust or who would know your boundaries, what you like, what you need-- making this more of a D/s play fantasy than a fantasy of actually being raped.

>>3071220
No, but if you scream insults at them, then yeah, it's your fault.
Same as walking in slutty clothing and expecting, that nobody will give a fuck, while you actually want them to give a fuck.. but just on the right level, where they're frustrated, but not frustrated enough to rape you

>>3071253
>If you think sexual arousal has no effect on the ability of the brain to exert self control over impulses, then you are just willfully ignorant. Same thing for alcohol.
Wait, I thought alcohol wasn't an excuse? Or is that only for women?

>>3071172
Ask women who rapes them, it's overwhelmingly people they know, acquantainces, friends, family. Stranger rape isn't all that common as a share of the whole. Seriously, women's fathers will rape them. Their brothers, their cousins. Yet you think a 'friend' won't think about it? Your friend should have stuck to making female friends. The only guy who would become bffs with a girl is a beta faggot who wants to fuck her. It's not a surprise when someone like that snaps.

>>3071252
Now look at how common MALE submissive fantasies are :)

>>3071245
>You're violating someone's person in a way that is irreparable
I find that a very problematic statement.
Let people decide how "irreparable" they are for themselves, okay?

>>3071184
Fantasy is extremely different from reality.

>>3071279
At no point have I ever said the man who rapes a woman is not responsible. I've been explicit in saying that there is mutual fault. I will also be explicit and say that the fault of one party does not diminish the fault of the other party.

>>3071272
This post is golden. Nothing funnier than a feminist admiting she has rape fantasies.

>25% of women have been raped
>the other 75% wish they were

>>3071279

>Wait, I thought alcohol wasn't an excuse? Or is that only for women?

Alcohol impedes judgment, inhibition, coordination, and cognition in both genders. Exact effects vary from person to person-- it could make one person aggressive, while another becomes talkative and friendly. It can make someone the life of the party, or put them in a depressive state.

The only thing you know for certain in how it will affect people is that it takes less alcohol for a woman to get drunk than a man, because of the different in BMI.

>>3071272
POST TITS OR CUNT, CUNT, AND USE A TRIPCODE SO YOU CAN BE SECURELY QUESTIONED FURTHER.

YOU BETTER BE FUCKING SKINNY, YES, WITH SMALL TITS TOO.

AND IT'S NOT JUST FORCED SEX IT'S ABUSE, HUMILIATION, SPAT ON, SLAPPED, HAIR-PULLED, FORCED TO SPEAK DISGUSTING TRUTHS.

>>3071280
>The only guy who would become bffs with a girl is a beta faggot who wants to fuck her. It's not a surprise when someone like that snaps.
Projecting massively, bro.

>>3071291
Sure, but imagine if women could actually realize the fantasies that they had. They can't because being raped is a passive event in the first place, and because they don't have the strength to force a man to rape them even if that would suffice.

Males just have better fantasies that are more active and actually achievable.

>>3071296

I do NOT want to be raped.

Fantasy is very different from reality. I fantasize about the adrenaline rush I'd get from sky-diving, but I would never, ever, EVER want to sky-dive.

I love the whole "I can totally understand a poor downtrodden beta guy who'd rape a woman" angle going on right now.

>>3071280
Yes, let's tell women men aren't to be trusted, especially not the ones they trust.

>>3071318
Just like guys who fap to traps and shemales aren't a bit gay, right?

>men's preference for the scenario depicting him being dominated by an aggressive woman was greater than women's preference for the scenario depicting her being dominated by an aggressive man, F(1, 451) = 36.01, p < .0001. In other words, men had a higher preference for submissive fantasies than did women.
http://www.people.ku.edu/~phawley/Publications/HawleyHensley_JSR_%202009.pdf

Really interesting study.

To spell it out for the less literate: men have MORE submissive fantasies than women.

>>3071184
It's safe to say the number of males that rape are outnumbered by the number of males that don't rape, so it makes no sense to say one should avoid almost all males because of this.

>>3071223
Just imagine all those idiots that think a fantasy is realistic and equal to a physical act, how could anyone with half a brain take them seriously.


I doubted the "rape culture" stuff, but you guys are only proving them right. Keep rationalizing the mistakes of rapists.

>>3071332
I'm sure plenty of robots have fantasised about killing people. But I doubt many among us would actually want to kill people.

>>3071321
Lifetime prevalance of rape is like 18-20%. 85% of rapes are committed by someone who isn't a stranger. If we are actually concerned with preventing rapes, we absolutely should be telling women not to trust men.

Perhaps we can carve out some exceptions to that general rule if we can openly and honestly confront the problem without a political agenda enforcing the socially desirable conclusion on us.

>>3071332
Well, probably a bit. But fapping to shemales and to a lesser extent traps is actually cisgendered among males.

>>3071333
>treat others as you wish to be treated

Rape is just following the commands set forth by the Lord, Jesus Christ.

>>3071333
>>3071337
Lies, just like women lie about their partner count. They're ashamed of it.

>>3071340
Actually a large number of people would kill if they could get away with it.

>>3071353
>thumblr bullshit

>>3071260
>i don't want to take accountability or responsibility for my actions and choices
>the world should coddle me it's okay for me to be stupid!

and i should be able to wander through the most dangerous parts of town at night unharmed, but things don't work that way dumbfuck.

you're sluts anyway for the most part, so i don't even care anymore.

>>3071284

>I find that a very problematic statement.
Let people decide how "irreparable" they are for themselves, okay?

Best case scenario, they recover, and what does not kill them makes them stronger.

But it does leave scars, and there are some scars that can't be healed. I still have mental scars from when I was nine, and this fifteen-year-old boy lifted me up by my neck and started choking me. I grabbed onto his necklace, scrabbling for something to hold onto, and broke it.

As if that wasn't enough, the camp counselors were more concerned with the boy's broken necklace than the bruise marks on my neck.

That's scarred me. Though it doesn't invade my thoughts every day, and I no longer have nightmares about that, and I rarely even think about it now, I haven't forgotten it. And that DID color my interaction with other kids as I got older, and why I don't like people with their hands near my head or neck, which causes problems.

That's an example of a psychological scar from a physical interaction. It's never going to go away, but while I've *recovered* from it, the damage it's done can *never* be fully undone.

>>3071359
>Actually a large number of people would kill if they could get away with it.
Is that so? Or have they had fantasies about killing people if they could only get away with it?

>>3071319
Yeah, I actually can, because I'm not a silly white knight like you.

>>3071359
Has nothing to do with tumblr.

Google analysts did a study on it, actually. Someone link the video, I don't have it bookmarked.

More or less what it showed is that people who fap to shemales browse heterosexual porn more. Heterosexual men love dick.

WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO IT, DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHAT WOMEN THINK?

THEY'VE PULLED OFF THIS AMAZING TRICK OF BEING INFERIOR IN EVERY WAY AND YET STILL ATTAINING THE WHIP-HAND IN MATTERS RELATING TO THEIR COMPLEMENTARY, MORE POWERFUL, IN EVERY WAY MORE SIGNIFICANT SEX.

I'VE OFTEN WONDERED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE MEN OF THE WORLD UNITED AND, WITH A COMMON VOICE, SAID, "RIGHT- ENOUGH OF THIS SORT OF THING", AND JUST TOOK ALL WOMEN INTO CUSTODY; THEIR OPINIONS AND DESIRES AND REQUESTS TO BE IGNORED. TO EFFECTIVELY BECOME HONOURED PETS- BY NO MEANS PHYSICALLY MALTREATED BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, HARDLY TO BE TURNED TO FOR DECISIONS.

I MEAN- HOW COULD THEY STOP US? WITH THEIR ARMIES AND NAVIES AND AIR-FORCES? WITH THEIR CURLING-TONGS?

THAT'S WHY ALL THIS GIRL-POWER NONSENSE WE ARE EXPECTED TO NOD ALONG WITH IS SO FARCICAL. ALL THEIR POWER STEMS FROM MEN; IT IS A GIFT FROM US TO THEM. THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY TENNANTS IN OUR WORLD AND ONLY THEIR CUNTS ALLOW THEM TO PAY THE RENT.

JUST IMAGINE THE BEATIFIC LOOK OF REALISATION CROSSING THEIR EN-MASSE FACE WHEN THEY ARE FINALLY TAUGHT WHO'S REALLY IN CHARGE AROUND HERE.

>>3071361
>I'm a pussy that wants to live in the past
>I dwell on shit that happened a long time ago and doesn't have any relevance to my current life.

>>3071377

-pulls out a phone-

-dials-

Hello? Yes, I'd like to report a case of domestic capsabuse.

>>3071373
No, they'd actually kill.

>>3071375
>More or less what it showed is that people who fap to shemales browse heterosexual porn more.
Bisexuals are gay too. It's all part of the big gay tree.

>>3071385
It has nothing to do with bisexuality either. Those men didn't browse gay porn. They browsed shemale, and they browsed heterosexual.

Homosexual males don't like shemales.

>>3071377
power of the pussy dawg.

>>3071394
>I like fapping to freaks with dicks
>totally not gay, bro!

>>3071377
Women's freedom is a side effect of a system of mate distribution. Men collectively punish rapists because they don't want their property being raped. If rape is punished, that gives women the choice of which partner to select. That selection process results in competition for the woman's sexual services which results in her being given disproportionate influence in most areas relative to their contributions

>>3071359
>call the fact that imagination is distinct from
physical acts a lie
I can see you're getting desperate, just leave. Look t your post and tell me you aren't perpetuating rape culture. Really, do it.

>>3070594
It's pretty easy to not get raped.

>>3071381

It's relevant, because what we experience colors our interaction with the world. Get bitten by a dog as a child, you're more likely to develop an aversion to dogs.

>>3071385
>No, they'd actually kill.
Well, now you're making me as paranoid as women should be if they don't want to get raped by everyone they know.

>>3071405
Not if people are out to rape you.

>>3071408
I said they would, to be honest most are too afraid of the state or whatever to act on their instincts. If they could get away with it most women you know would have been raped by the way.

>>3071374
I think that if you admit during a discussion about rape that you find rape totally understandable, you need to take a step back and examine yourself.

>>3071408
Men are just as if not more likely to be raped than women now. Therefore, men should also avoid as many men as possible.

>>3071415
i'd just like to confirm this. i would rape people all the live long day if i could get away with it.

>>3071420
I think, that you should take a step back and kill yourself

>>3071421
Only in prison. Actually, only in American prisons.

>>3071421

How?

Most men are heterosexual.

Most rapes are committed by men.

Most rapes are done by someone the victim knows-- husband, father, brother, boyfriend, male friend.

Given those three factors, why would you suggest that men are the more likely victims?

>>3071273
You're saying someone's state if dress is comparable to physically and verbally harassing someone?

Only on /r9k/ folks

>>3071421
Yes, absolutely. Smart men do go out of their way to avoid other men, especially in places where violence is likely. Men are big into dominance games and into proving their virility and strength (a byproduct of mate competition) so you are dead on.

>>3071428
The thing is that most men would rape and most women would love it. So much hypocrisy.

>>3071400
>I can't understand simple facts
>I was only pretending, bro!

>>3071443

I want to close my eyes and look away the train wreck of logical reasoning that came to that conclusion.

Thread has turned way too stupid now.
Started out quite well though.

>>3071445
You know, men can get off from stuffing things up their asses as well. Gay rape justified, right there. Just bend over and enjoy it.

>>3071445

No.

Women would NOT love it.

We'd feel hurt, miserable, violated, crushed.

What women would love is a sexual partner that they can willingly submit to and give up control to, and find pleasure in doing so. That's just being kinky.

If you can't tell the difference...

>>3070577
i totally agree with you OP (are you me, fuck) and i've always thought about this. well thanks for posting a thread on the topic and expressing your opinion in more or less the same way i would. glad to see this has got so many replies. nb.

>>3071397
THE POWER OF THE PUSSY STEMS FROM THEIR CURRENT ABILITY TO CHOOSE TO WHOM IT SHALL AND SHAN'T BE VISITED.

FIGHT THE POWER.

FEMALES ARE MORE DESIROUS OF BEING IN A RELATIONSHIP THAN MEN. THE INTIMACY AND SENSE OF SIGNIFICANCE TO LENDS THEM IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM THAN THE BENFITS FLOWING TO THE MALE.

SO WHY SHOULD THE MALE- MORE POWERFUL IN EVERY SENSE, MORE INGENIOUS AND INVENTIVE, MORE RATIONAL- CHASE THE FEMALE?

WHY SHOULD HE NOT SIMPLY TAKE HER INTO CUSTODY, SET THE GAME AT AN END, AND PROCEED WITH HIS LIFE WITHOUT THE HINDERANCE OF SPENDING SO MUCH OF HIS VITALITY PURSUING THE RULES OF AN INHERRENTLY UNBALANCED GAME?

>>3071451
Yeah, well. It was doomed from the start, because tripwhores ruin everything.

>>3071451

It's a good thing that most of these guys are anti-social recluses who rarely get out of the house, right?

Right?

>>3071450
>No, but if you scream insults at them, then yeah, it's your fault.
>Same as walking in slutty clothing and expecting, that nobody will give a fuck
I wonder how anyone could have come to that conclusion. My, what a train wreck of logic to think he is equating screaming insults with dressing a certain way.

>>3071471
Bitch I spend 18 hours a day outside

>>3071467

Because it's unbalanced on both sides. Men can spread their seed far and wide, with little physical cost. Women can't. That's why they're so picky about who shan't visit the gates of St. Pussy.

Also, taking her "into custody" is called kidnapping and illegally holding someone against their will.

The damages from being raped are much more mental than physical. It turns off all light in your life. It makes you feel like you're nothing.

I've been raped myself. Thinking about doing an AMA-thread.

>>3071441
It's not opinion, it's fact. Nearly all men raped are raped by men that identify as heterosexual and normally have sex with women.
>>3071445
Most women wouldn't love it, because most women do not fantasize about being raped by men that would rape nor do they want to be raped in that fashion.

What you guys don't seem to understand is that someone is not in a powerless position IN THEIR OWN FANTASIES, so saying "most women would enjoy rape" is pretty daft.

You'd have to be an idiot or very deluded to actually believe most women want to be raped in reality. It's amazing the lengths you will go to rationalize this. Don't you see how you just prove feminists right when you pull shit like this? Why would you ever want I do that? I can only guess you're too stupid to see the big picture.

Anyone who thinks rape is justifiable is obviously just foreveralone.jpeg

>Its not happening for me so I'm going to make it.

Pathetic

>>3071460
Only because that's your expectation. Rape fantasies show that deep down you don't think it'd be so bad.

>>3071496
Every chick in the internet has been raped.

>>3071486

Dammit.

At least you don't frequent places where people hook-up... right?

I can't tell if you're part of the pro-rape crowd or not.

>>3071511
Like bars? You can bet I do.

>>3071504
Have you even read the thread. Other than the capslock troll, no one has argued that rape is justified or that the men shouldn't be punished.

Women are contributing to the problem of rape and refusing to accept that fact. They are also making it worse for themselves by convincing themselves that it is somehow worse than other serious physical assaults.

>>3071506

You fail as a psychologist.

Rape fantasies show a desire to be dominated and to give up control, but because it's a fantasy, I'm not actually powerless. With real-life rape, it would be a far cry from my fantasy, and I would probably try to kill the guy. I don't handle actual abuse very well anymore.

>>3070577
You are an idiot and probably a complete outcast

>>3071504
>Anyone who thinks rape is justifiable is obviously just foreveralone.jpeg
So why are most rapists boyfriends and fathers and people who are obviously not forever alone?

Oh wait.
>female logic

>>3071504

rape is only justifiable if its a woman

>>3071482
When you do something, that makes you more likely to get raped, like wearing slutty clothes or flirting with random dudes, it's obvious you're increasing your chances of something happening to you.
Same as shouting insults at groups of people or leaving expensive car with keys in ignition in a ghetto

>>3071522

Well, good thing I don't go to bars, but...

>>3071496
Protip: you aren't anything. you certainly aren't anything special, and if guys didn't have a desperate need to shove their dick in a vagina, no one would pay attention to you at all.

>>3071545
College? Work place? I'm there too. Guys like me are everywhere.

>>3071467
You know, the all-caps and the various spelling and grammar mistakes kind of detract from your fancy word usage there.

>>3071496

I haven't been raped, but I've suffered physical abuse and bullying. You're absolutely right-- it crushes who you are.

>>3071545
tits or gtfo, whore

titsblox

>>3071531
hahahahahhaha

beautiful rationalizations. you build such a complex system around rape fantasies because you don't like the reality that the idea of rape is sexually arousing. you're exactly like the men who find gay sex arousing and react to it by claiming that they hate faggots. just accept who you are. it doesn't change your legal rights to be honest with yourself.

>>3071554

I already knew that.

It's why I carry a weapon with me. -__-

>>3071359
>get your main point refuted with objective evidence
>lol wimmin lying like always

>>3071506
I'm fantasizing about chopping off your dick, but I don't think it's okay an would never actually do it. See how that works?

>>3071571
>I've suffered physical abuse and bullying
That should be something /r9k/ can identify with.

>>3071576

No, I'm being perfectly honest with myself.

I want a partner I can submit to, in D/s play. But I don't actually want to be raped, because rape is out of my control, and against my will and person. I don't want it.

>>3071581
>yfw most attacks happen so quickly that the victim has no time to defend themselves before being overwhelmed.

things are pretty quick. a weapon is more likely to be used against you than to actually help defend yourself. i wonder if it'd be fun to taser a girl and then fuck her while she was still convulsing

>>3071591

You would think so, wouldn't you...

>>3071581
By the way you'd be shocked if you could hear the stuff we say to our closest bros about women. And it's not just the forever alone fags, it's the guy with a girlfriend, it's the guy who fucks a different girl every week, it's the married older man with children.

>>3071559
ONLY ONE WORD MISSPELLED YES, THE WORD "TO" SHOULD READ "IT".

THE GRAMMAR AND PUNCTUATION IS FLAWLESS.

MAY I TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO POINT OUT THAT YOUR OWN USE OF THE WORD grammar IS, IN FACT, ERRONEOUS; IT SHOULD READ grammatical.

THE IRONY OF THIS SITUATION, IF I MUST POINT IT OUT, IS THAT IT IS YOUR OWN POST WHICH CONTAINS AT LEAST ONE GRAMMATICAL ERROR AND NOT MINE.

OF FURTHER HELP MAY BE THIS DEFINITION OF IRONY, WHICH YOU MAY FIND OF ASSISTANCE IF AMERICAN.

>>3071598
Oh, so it's just your brain who brings the idea up unbidden and your genitals who are aroused by the idea. But not 'you'. Gotcha.

>>3071576
It's complex because it is actually complex, reductionism is a fallacy used by people who cannot or refuse to understand those complexities. How hard is it to understand fantasies do not reflect reality? There is a big difference between fantasizing abut an ideal situation and actually having something happen to you.

>>3071608
> i wonder if it'd be fun to taser a girl and then fuck her while she was still convulsing
As long as she isn't shitting or pissing herself.

>>3071628
Way to be vanilla, normalfag

>>3071636
Well, whatever works for you, bro.

>>3071628

tbh if she is hot I want her to piss or shit herself that stuff kind of turns me on.

>>3071608

Yeah. They usually are, but amazingly enough, it worked for me.

>>3071649
>tased some mexican looking dude who looked at her twice

>>3071517
First off learn how too construct proper sentences.

Just because someone has had sex before doesn't mean that they can always it get obviously, hence the rape.

And the foreveralone was more directed at you scorneful fucks on this board. Point is people who commit rape can't get laid. Implying husbands, boyfriends, etc get laid simplly because they have a relationship is they second dumbest concept itt

Also, not a female

>>3071624
see
>>3071627

you guys are trolling, right? I don't want to believe anyone is this dense.

>>3071668

My buddy who wants to rape a chick gets laid constantly, he has told me about his fantasy about me and him going to Mexico and double teaming some random chick.

some people just get turned on by raping people

>>3071668
>Point is people who commit rape can't get laid.
Proof? Any study?
So most fathers who rape their daughters do so because the mothers aren't giving them sex?

>>3071622
No. Things are visited on people, not to them. And "hinderance" is spelled "hindrance" these days. On the other hand, "grammar mistake" is perfectly acceptable, as far as I know.

>>3071627
i'm okay with it being complex, but i'm not okay with someone denying the reality that part of them would be okay with it. if you have a nuanced position on a complex issue, make it clear. fantasies do reflect the reality of what we want. it doesn't mean that we can't want other things too. people can both want something and not want it; that's fine.

when the whole point of this thread started out being a discussion of how rape really isn't as bad as women make it out to be, i don't think anyone would deny that women don't want to be raped. part of the point of the original argument is that what women think and feel about rape is disconnected from the reality of the underlying event. the dichotomy between rape fantasies and attitudes towards rape do go towards illustrating that point well.

>>3071624

Please refer to:

>>3071627

And if you do not cease pursuing the idea that a rape fantasy equates a desire to actually be raped, I must suggest you lack a certain amount of cognition and comprehension vital for being a productive member of society, and remove yourself from the prospective gene pool.

I'm done with that line of discussion. Either you are a troll or an idiot.

>>3071628
>2012
>not being sexually adventurous

ISHYGDDT

>>3071709
>Fantasy
>4. Psychology . an imagined or conjured up sequence fulfilling a psychological need

My mistake. According to this definition it represents something you need, not something you want. As a kind fellow citizen, I will happily satisfy your rape need for you.

>According to this definition it represents something you need, not something you want.

Correct. It's just that it's more complicated than "I want to be raped". It's "I want to be sexually dominated and pleasured, to give up control while still having it." Because the situation in the fantasy is not really rape.

If you attempt to rape me in your misguided idea of being "helpful", I believe you would find yourself lacking a pair of balls and perhaps leaving with your eyes clawed out.

>>3071693
More of an inference if anything. Certainly they're people who do it just because they're sick in the head.

But I would bet money that over half of those who commit rape are just sexually frustrated like the majority of this boards users.

>>3071768
>I believe you would find yourself lacking a pair of balls and perhaps leaving with your eyes clawed out.

I've always found it adorable when women start to believe the women-are-strong bullshit that has been pushed in recent years. You only aren't getting smacked around because men have decided to restrain themselves and each other. Unless you are a badass MMA chick, your shit is getting wrecked by pretty much any dude.

>>3071799
B-b-but womyn are men's equal. You m-m-misogynist pig!

>>3071799

>I've always found it adorable when women start to believe the women-are-strong bullshit that has been pushed in recent years.

I wrestle with male friends. I know how much weaker I am. It's just that I also know I'm capable of doing a world of damage if I really want to.

The problem is that women are taught not to resist rape. They're told that this is in the interest of their personal safety.

>>3071869
>Men play wrestle with me while being extremely careful not to hurt me in any way

I'm sorry, sweetie, but odds are you can't do any real damage.

>>3071881

>Men play wrestle with me while being extremely careful not to hurt me in any way

Are you there to observe our wrestling? Because I can assure you that while they're careful, they're not going easy on me, and they're not invincible.

Nonetheless, this argument is pointless. You will go "boo hoo, men being easy on a woman, there's no way she can hold her own" and I'll constantly be trying to explain "No, I've just learned where the sensitive spots are and where to hit" and you'll be all "Nooooo"...

So this discussion is finished. It is what it is.

>>3071869
Sometimes it is in their best interest. I'd venture resistance would normally result in being raped plus more physical injuries.

And this is why women carry pepper spray. If this thread has taught me anything, it's that rape culture is a real thing. You guys will go to any lengths to justify hurting other people.

>>3071918
>I know where the sensitive parts are
So do they

Try wrestling a wolverine or a chimp sometime dude. Just because something's smaller and weaker than you doesn't mean they can't fuck you up (even if they end up 'losing' the fight.)

>>3071920

Sadly, that's true.

And yes, they will. It's sick.

>>3071920
>>3071943
(almost?) nobody said that hurting other people is justified you dumb cunts
Learn to read

>>3071933
>wolverine
>chimp
>shark
>cheetah
More like try wrestling a Chihuahua.It might bite, but it won't really do that much damage

>>3071962
This thread is full if people that think rape is okay because women have rape fantasies, regardless of the realistic repurcussions of rape. What do you call that?

>>3071845
despite what /r9k/ it more being some women being intellectuals and just being a human in general

Strength wise, women are fucked in the most part. You have to delusional not to see that. The only real physical advantage women have over all is that they tend to be more flexable

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>>3071996
>women
>intellectuals
get a load of this white knight

>>3071996

>Strength wise, women are fucked in the most part. You have to delusional not to see that

I see it, but there's also some strength in being intellectual. If your learned reaction is to reach back and rake your nails down the side of someone's head, they're going to release you in surprise. In the first ten seconds of the attack. If you just try to struggle and worm your way out, they'll get a solid grip on you, and it's useless. But if you make a good retaliation in a sensitive spot, you have a chance of getting free and escaping.

>>3072045
I'd like to see you do that, when you have a chance of getting curb stomped for hurting him

>>3072078

I managed it before. Granted, the guy wasn't trying to rape me (I don't think.) He just wanted to prove to his buddies that he could handle the anti-social freak (lovely nicknames they have for me), because I ignored them and walked away whenever they started taunting me. So he came up behind and grabbed me, and I broke the skin on his face in nail-marks. He let me go, and I ran.

Before you say anything about me, as a person-- I'm just a quiet bookworm who likes to listen instead of converse when in large groups. I also walk away from people when they start baiting me. I guess that ticks them off.

>get raped
>get over it
>go to meetings to help people get over it
>everyone's telling stories
>girl gets attacked on her way home from work
>another girl raped during a home invasion
>guy molested by his stepdad
>this bitch opens her mouth and says "i was at a party...got really drunk...this guy took advantage of me"
>it took every fiber of my being not to punch her in the mouth

Rape is a serious issue, but all these dumb bitches ruined it for the people who actually need help. There are bigger problems the world should be focused on.

>>3072109
That's different.
He would not embarrass himself by attacking a woman in front of people not to mention, that he did not have violent intentions in the first place.

>>3072157

>it took every fiber of my being not to punch her in the mouth

She was stupid, and put herself in a risky situation by not monitoring her alcohol intake. But I don't think that makes the experience any less traumatic, though I don't consider that as bad as "violent home invasion", for example, or molestation by a family member.

Have some empathy for others. Even if they're dumb bitches.

What rustles my proverbial jimmies is that rape has become this all encompassing term that, in certain circles (like amongst American 2nd and 3rd wave feminists on college campuses), is applied to every situation regardless of context. There is a vast difference between someone being victimized and someone being used. Do I think that rape is reprehensible and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Fuck yes. But, on so many campuses, the definition of rape has been so watered down that it has become a joke. Example: most college codes of conduct state that a woman cannot give consent if she is intoxicated, and it's a ridiculous position. Is it rape if some asshole rufies a girl. Yes. Is it rape if party-girl has too much to drink and wakes up next to random dude and is filled with regret? I say no.
Example: Friend of mine was convicted of 2nd and 4th degree sexual assault. He met a girl at a party and they both got wasted. They went back to his dorm room and passed out in his bed together. When she woke up, he was asleep and spooning her. She walked back to her dorm room, talked about it with her girlfriends, went to the sexual assault councilors on campus and decided she had been raped. She pressed charges and won in court. The day he knew he was fucked was the day she brought a giant teddy bear to court with her on the day she testified.

>>3072163

He attacked me in front of a group of friends who were too high on weed to muster up the motivation to help him. Otherwise, we were alone.

He was trying to pin me to the ground. He was treating me the way one might treat an untrained horse that vexed them-- try to force them into submission by sheer force and dint of will. He was also just very stupid about it, and thought I'd just try to wriggle away.

Either way, I'm glad it worked. I don't want to think about what would have happened if he'd succeeded in pining me down.

>>3072204
>bitches and whores
Fucking disgusting, but nothing new there.. sadly

>>3072184
well, by "took advantage of me" she probably meant

>"hey bitch, wanna fuck?"
>"oookkaaayyyyyyyy . ..*pukes"

>next morning:
omg I was raepd

>There is a vast difference between someone being victimized and someone being used.

The examples you gave are valid, but it's not always as clear-cut as that. For example, if a girl gets too drunk, and tries to leave, and a guy takes advantage by forcing her to go with him in her inebriated state.

If she got drunk, and hooked up with a guy, and woke up the next morning and regretted it, that is completely different.

The example you gave is utter bullshit. No court in the world should have accepted that. I feel horrible for your friend-- it's situations like that that completely undermine the real seriousness of rape.

>>3072226

If that's what happened, then yes, I agree. That's bullshit.

I think that people should learn to monitor their alcohol intake AND recognize when someone's drunk and not take advantage of them, but that's another issue entirely.

>>3072204

wow

reading that just ruined my whole day, what happened to your friend

fuck, he has my sympathy

>>3072184

I was donating my time to the group, and I still talk to one of them to this day. I have plenty of empathy.

She willingly got drunk, flirted, and decide to have sex with a guy who was also drunk. She woke up and saw how ugly he was and decided to call it rape. It's her fault, and girls like this destroy the word of a woman. I'm not saying you cant have fun, but dont lose control of yourself, and dont blame other people when you do.

>>3072204
And this is why rape is a joke. Even women treat it like one.

>>3072275

>She willingly got drunk, flirted, and decide to have sex with a guy who was also drunk.

Like I said here >>3072255 if that's what happened, then she doesn't have my sympathy for being that exceptionally stupid.

Rape isn't overblown, most other forms of assault (esp. those with men as victims) aren't given enough attention. No one should ever be violated, sexually or otherwise, and the law should punish offenders to a severe extent. /thread

>>3072283

No, it's just that some women take advantage of it as a way to make themselves feel better for stupid decisions. Other women actually take the term seriously for what it is.

>>3072300

That's the bottom line.

ITT thread, you just put it out there for what it is.

>>3072300

i dunno, what if they committed a crime against you

the threat of prison is the threat of rape

>>3072244
It did happen - University of Michigan, 1998. I knew everything going on because another friend of mine was his RA.
And, yes, I am old.