I would have liked to have seen Neo go back to his life in the first film before he was contacted by Trinity.

So basically, after Neo kills Agent Smith he's still connected to the Matrix but as any normal human being.

It would have been interesting to have seen Neo lose to Smith.

>>2979506
I suppose, it still would have probably been a better ending.

LOOK AT HIS FUCKING SKIN, I WANT TO PEAL IT OFF.

Bumpan because no Matrix discussian.

ENTIRE THREAD EES SAME PERSON.

Anyways, if you've played Path of Neo, that game ending would have been pretty rad.

The first one was good, so was The Animatrix. Everything else was shit and retroactively made the good things shit, too.

I would have liked to have seen him destroy the matrix with everyone waking up all at once.

You know, actually ENDING the series. instead of that vague crap at the end of the third film.

>>2979779
It wasn't that vague, the guy said that the would be no more war and the people who wanted out of the matrix would "wake up" or whatever.

I wouldn't have ended it with a fight scene stolen from Dark City.

>>2979805
Dark City, more than decent concept, shitty execution.

>>2979395
The premise of the movie series is negated by the fact that Humans don't generate energy. Not to mention even if it did work, machines could have just used cows or chimps, easier to control.

Plus human nations wouldn't block out the sun as it would cause crops to fail and kill humans faster than robots.

One-on-one CGI fight in the rainy city was boring as hell. Neo should've had to power to manipulate space-time in the Matrix itself.

Ultimately though, I would have ended it with Smith and Neo somehow sitting at a blank table talking as equals instead of rivals, resolving to overcome their fates and forge a new path for all.

The Wachowskis just didn't know how to think big enough.

>>2979826
Well they were at war, so once the Robots won the war they had to do SOMETHING with the humans.

>>2979804

Except that they made the matrix online which was supposed to be a "continuation" of the story.

Meaning nothing happened and they themselves admit nothing happened.

>>2979826

The original story had humans being used as something like synaptic relays rather than a power supply. Creators decided it was too complicated for moviegoers to get so they changed it to the battery crap.

I would have ended it with a flash a-la the men in black that erases our memories of the second matrix movie and replaces it with a movie that used actual people like the first instead of fakeass looking cg

>>2979906
Where can I find the original story? Wasn't it a manga?

>>2979879
Nothing happened when? After Neo killed Agent Smith?

I would've ended it with the Sentinels leaving Zion and the scene with Neo's dead body being dragged off onto the barge thing in a blaze of matriculated light. It can be a good end without being blatantly told that.

I liked the original ending. Dunno why everyone was so butthurt about it.

>>2979957

That the matrix is still there and the world still sucks.

All he managed to do was kill agent smith, but the computer is still in control and people are still stuck in the crappy little planet they woke up to.

>>2980001
Didn't the architect say that that's what was going to happen?

>>2979978
Here is what I think should be the original ending:

Neo finds out that the final world war was actually between the human nations.

Once the sky was blocked out, the Robots were following their directive to preserve humanity and started plugging the surviving humans in the matrix to keep them alive in the most efficient way possible. They also explain how using Humans as batteries was really not even feasible.

>>2980001
And the small detail that non-virtual humanity is not being eradicated by the squiddies.

>>2979395

matrix within matrix. all was an ai simulation (like wargames), BUT one day, the machines will rise (like terminator).

>>2980036

Oh well that changes everything.

I wouldn't have dipped so far into the religious junk. The first movie was awesome because it was cyber punk with a great anti-establishment undertone. Besides for some flashy action sequences the sequels sucked.

o- I would not have made Neo look like a catholic priest
o- I would have stuck with the machine war instead of implanting all this prophecy is a lie mumbo-jumbo
o- I probably would have taken the focus well away from Neo and established new hero so I wouldn't have to deal with the "OMG Neo HAZ SUPER DUPER Powers!" and kept the fight sequences in the pseudo-realism area.
o- Turn back the green tint WAY back. Just enough to know something is amiss.
o- Kept in some sort of plot line following someone within the matrix so the audience could connect better (its easier to relate to a joe-schmoe working an office job then a bunch of freedom fighter from a cave in the future). The person within the matrix could be a the new protagonist I was talking about.

o- MY ENDING: Complete destruction of the matrix would have been the goal the whole way through. Perhaps the story line would be something along the lines of "Neo can't get to the core, so [insert new hero] has to fight his way through soldiers and agents to allow Neo access to the mainframe". Awesome fight sequence mixed up between Neo virtually fighting off a super program in the matrix and the new hero trying to get out before the Matrix is destroyed would be goo. Reeves dies in the by destroying the Matrix within himself in it. Everybody wins.

>>2980033
Honestly, that's a shitty twist.

>>2980033
Asimov didn't write the Matrix.

They told us exactly what happened in the Second Renaissance. Humans continued to wage war after they blocked out the sun. And when they signed their defeat, they traded their submission for their lives.

I honestly figured that Neo was going to kill smith, and that this would kill all the people that he had absorbed - ie the rest of the human population.

Which in turn would have robbed the machines of all their energy.

>>2980033
I like the movie's idea that humanity was a total dick to the Machines so they tried to wipe us out. The movie's ending is fine so long as you cut off the little addendum at the end within the Matrix.

>>2980085
Let me fix that monstrocity of bad grammar I created.

o- MY ENDING: Complete destruction of the matrix would have been the goal the whole way through. Perhaps the story line would be something along the lines of "Neo can't get to the core, so [insert new hero] has to fight his way through soldiers and agents to allow Neo access to the mainframe". An awesome fight sequence mixed up between Neo virtually fighting off a super program in the matrix mainframe and the new hero trying to get out before the matrix is destroyed would be good. Reeves dies when the matrix is destroyed with him still in it. Everybody wins.

>>2980085
Actually, the first movie by itself was quite obviously a Christ-story. It was the next two that helped the story grow out of the cliche.

It was all right, except for Keanu Reeves. He sucks.

>>2980130
Totally.
The whole dying and coming back as savior thing. Yeah. Kinda god damned obvious.

The Matrix sucks because it's pretty much ruined Cyberpunk for the foreseeable future

>>2979826
Perhaps by the time the humans blocked out the Sun the machines had already killed most of Earth's popluation allowing so the remaining survivors could subsist off of alternate means of nutrition. Perhaps that is the origin of the Tasty Wheat sludge they ate on the Nebuchadnezzar.

The batter crap was ridiculous though.
>>2979906
This "synaptic pathways" thing at least sounds plausible instead of physically ridiculous.

>>2980130
Yep, too fucking Christian.
I'd end with everybody realizing that anyone can be Neo and save oneself. That would have been more to my tastes. Also, not ressurecting people or flying would have been better.

Who else was utter let down by the supreme manifestation of the robot city was a swarm of locust around a sea urchin that looked like a baby face?

Are you kidding me?

>>2980249
Haha, so instead of standard Christian themes which, fyi, are everywhere because we're part of Western culture, you want an "everybody is special/nobody is special" direction. Very post modern of you, and very boring.

>>2980270
As robots, I doubt they cared at all about aesthetic appeal.

Function over fashion.

>>2980272
Anything would have been better than copypastaing the Bible and calling it a script.

>>2980302
It's called religious symbolism, which is way more meaningful than rebellion, which is utterly adolescent.

>>2980302
But it's Jesus! In the Future!

>>2980272
You are mistaken the Hero's Journey with the Christian myth. It's understandable. The Hero's Journey it the template for many Western Myths, while the Jesus story is based on a Jewish Messianic belief, where you just sit your ass in a comfy chair and waits for the Messiah come save it.
I suggest you study a bit to see the difference between the Western version and the Jewish version.

>>2980290
So they didn't really need a face at all.

However seeing as how the AIs seen in the Matrix are obviously not purely driven by function there is some leeway in that respect. I just wanted something not completely sucky like the locust baby sea urchin.

A huge squiddy machine or a giant spider thing or some equally alien looking contraption/monstrosity that talked with a booming digital voice would have been preferable.

>>2980370
Maybe the story of Jesus is so compelling because it fits in with the Hero's Journey. Everybody loved The Mask of Zorro because of the training montage.

All I know is that there is a reason why these things keep cropping up in the most influential forms of entertainment.

>>2980371
I'm sure it wasn't there by accident, and if you asked the creators they'd have a good reason for it being there.

>>2980344
Sorry, but I can't relate with the whole "I wanna believe in you [insert messiah]" stuff. Mixing cyberpunk with religion was a bad choice IMO. The whole messiah thing in the first movie was pushing it, but the sequels went way overboard. The third was just laughable.

>>2980413
I saw the commentary. They chose a baby face to shock the audience by mixing "aw, a cute baby face" and "omg, a nasty robot thing". I found it to be a weak premise from the get go and they didn't even pull it off that well. While in the theater I initially thought it looked like a fat old man. I could have been so much better.

>>2980435
Of course you can't relate to it. It isn't PC, it isn't cool, which cyberpunk is supposed to embody. Sex, drugs, and techno music fits just fine, but the second you try to go slightly deeper than "SCREW THE ESTABLISHMENT" you lose half your audience.

I'm sure almost nobody but adults who saw the movie thought it was a messiah story anyway. Kids will digest anything without question as long as it isn't coming from a perceived authority figure.

>>2980482
I don't really understand how you associate PC with politically correctness, but I agree with you that by adding religion they lost the interest of half of the cyberpunk aficionados and I doubt bible thumpers where clamoring for tickets.

how did TRON end?

i wanted matrix to end the same way. you know, programmer sucked into the computer, fights evil... 1980's...

>>2980522
PC = politically correct

And adding religious themes makes movies great, but the second they are pointed out by learned folks, then the criticism starts in. I urge you to look for one epic movie without religious themes.

Anyway, the themes are just for flavour and obviously not the purpose or point of the movie. I like to think of it as more of a giant elaborate thought experiment. Philosophy for the masses, in which religion is part of it, but not the whole picture.

I've read that the original device that was replaced by the 'humans are used to create energy' thing was actually 'humans are used as parallel processors' concept, which seems pretty cool.

An ending where Neo lives would have been pretty shitty too, tbh. I mean, he's the hero and then he wins and creates a new civilization? Like how many times have you heard of the hero living long and prosperous? Fuck that shit.

>>2980555
Sorry, I meant "I don't know how you associate political correctness with cyberpunk".

>>2980482
Well, Avatar is a Messiah story for kids, but except for two of the bad characters, all the other good characters grow and change, the Messiah included. I think it's a step above in what Messiahs stories are concerned.

>>2980555
>adding religious themes makes movies great
Not IMO. Like I said, I just can't relate to the whole faith thing. I really started to twitch when everyone and their mother started whispering "I believe".

>>2980270
It would have been better if it were the red orb from Hal9000.

>>2980531
More movies should end with it suddenly being the 1980s.

>>2980617
Also, this story has religious connotations, but they're way more subtle and the idea is to restore balance to the world. It's not *save* the world but restore balance which is a less primitive idea.

>>2980617
Who else was completely blown away by the Avatar ending? That series was the creme de la creme of animated series. I almost don't wish it had been around when I was young enough to be in its key demographic because I don't think I would have been able to appreciate how it stood out from the rest of the crap on TV.

>>2980585
Well, pop-PC, what have you. What's cool with the kids these days.

>>2980627
You know that epic feeling you get from movies? That comes from the symbolism. Maybe it's just a turn-off if it's too obvious.

Matrix within Matrix. Zion was only for people who couldn't live the 'normal' life so instead of faking a twenty first century world the Machines (or something else, whatever) would fake a post apocalyptic world for those rebels-at-heart to rebel away. At the end we see how the Zion world is also fake and it pans out to the now supposedly real world, where we see that humans have completely lost the battle and there's no more hope. After the credits we see a small hint that that 'real' world may also be a matrix within matrix within matrix, ad infinitum.

>>2980679
Ooh ooh! Or like, the end of the second Men in Black where they open the door and it's really a locker in this massive universal hub of some kind.

Every exit is just a more massive, more complex world.

End it with Neo waking up - it was all a dream.

BEST. TROLL. MATERIAL. EVER.

>>2980670
I get you, symbolism does rock when it comes to weaving a good yarn. However the Matrix was laying it on WAY to thick. They might as well of slapped a "This movie is approved by God" sticker onto the movie posters.

I love a good hero story and I can go with the whole "chosen one" thing like in the first matrix, avatar, and star wars; but what I'm trying to say is the movie lost me when they had people just all of a sudden started acting like they just came out of Sunday school.

>>2980679
i like that, a lot

OH MY GOSH

WE WERE WRONG

ZION WAS IN THE MATRIX ALL ALONG

YOU'VE FINALLY MADE A BATTERY OUT OF ME

>>2980745
Don't exaggerate though. The only exclusively Christian part of that story was the messiah first movie ending, and even then it wasn't standard Christianity, it was Gnostic.

There was a lot of throwing words like "belief" around, but that's hardly a recruitment video. People's beliefs in all forms are extremely important to them, and mirroring that in movies is usually thought of as more profound.

I agree that it layed that stuff on a little thick, but it didn't turn me off like it did you, so it didn't bother me at all.

>>2980679
so when they go from "real world" to "matrix" they're essentially server-hopping?

>>2980779
AHahahahahah!

Well played, anon.

>>2980717
End it with Neo waking up at his computer...hmmm, yes.

>>2980679


THIS. I was convinced that this was what the third movie would show back in the day. After Neo makes the incoming ships at the end of the second movie stops, I thought the only logical conclusion would be that he had manipulated the "real" world just like the fake one, meaning that there was no freedom and humans and robots had been trapped within this circle for millions of years.

My ending would have been for Neo to end this, and to start off some sort of chain reaction that would have ended the simulation permanently for all parties involved.

>>2980795
The single defining moment of the whole thing was when Kid said "Neo, I believe". The movie would have been a hunky dory failure if that had been left out, but since it was there it turned a hunky-dory failure into a hunky-dory failure religion mouth piece. The whole Neo getting carried away on a glowing cross at the end didn't help either.

I get it that people really like Christianity and dig it when it gets plugged into any medium, but that stuff just doesn't fly with me.

>>2980933
I like the dark ending. Quit the entire dark cycle and just end it.

One thing I never got was if people inherently wanted to leave the matrix then Why wouldn't the machines just let them as they did in the movie but instead of creating this ridiculous cycle of "create a human civilization, destroy it, repeat" why not just kill the ones that got out?

It wouldn't have been much of a movie if Neo gets out of the Matrix only to find out that Morpheus, Trinity and friends were all just more programs and subsequently killed by the machine that dug the chord out of the back of his neck.

I can suspend disbelief on a few key plot points, but I can't stand it when the actions of a party within the movie are illogical.

I can't say I didn't like the concept of the Matrix, but the whole Christian shit plus Keeanu Reeves are pretty disgusting and annoying. I'll stick with the Animatrix.

>>2981029
Oh please. You're finding fault where there is none. That's your hang-up and has nothing to do with the influences behind that script.

Try looking beyond your own biases once in awhile. It's quite a pretty, diverse world when you do.

>>2980085
meh, i kind of liked the religious elements to the story.

>>2980033
That is actually pretty cool

>>2980933

I kind of hate the whole good guys always win thing. I like the idea of Neo and the guys winning the Zion war and being all happy and all but then we, the viewers, realize it meant nothing, and that there are no chosen ones.

Also, Neo using his powers in the Zion world could mean that you can have power only in the worlds you are aware are fake. The only reason why Neo had greater powers than the others was that he gained a greater level of consciousness of his situation. Which is greatly ironic because he takes the hint that Zion is also a Matrix, but he cannot do anything other than playing along because he's confined to the two lower tiers of matrixes (the XXI century and Zion). He sort of willingly sacrifices himself for the Zion he knows is not real. Why? because it's the most real thing he knows, even tho it's not.

>>2981140
I don't think you would like a movie if its main theme was that a stagnant culture is good and change is bad. That would fit pretty solidly into the culture of Islam. Similarly not everyone likes the idea of believing in messianic figures for the sake of belief.

I already told you, I GET IT. I know why people like this stuff. I just don't like it myself.

To be honest, i'm somewhat surprised at the amount of hate that the relgioius influence is getting; to be, that's what made it really interesting.

As far as the movies go, the first was near perfect, the second wasn't bad, but not that great, aside from the car chase. The third was a reasonable attempt at redemption.

I'd love to see a prequel that focuses on the Second Renaissance; i know we got that bit in the Animetrix, but i want more, goddamnit.

>>2981221
You...have to be trolling.

You need to get over this religion=bad thing and join the rest of the world who doesn't see in black and white.

I liked the first movie because the idea of the Matrix being the perfect controlled establishment and virtual superheros able to do kung-fu like no other trying to bring it down very interesting. I got how the chosen one thing got the ball rolling with the plot, but that aspect of the Matrix universe went too far in the sequels IMO.

>>2981245
Jesus Christ (pun inteneded), get off my back!

I'm not seeing it black and white at all, at least no more than you or any person wants to.

If I'm "religion=bad" then your "religion=good" which is in no way a superior position.

Prophecies=OK
Chosen Ones=cool
"Neo, I believe"=dribble

I don't like the idea of faith because I don't like the idea of believing in stuff for the sake of belief. If you like it fine, if the directors like the idea of faith to make it a key subject in their movie fine, but I don't.

Please, PLEASE, get over it.

>>2981366
Um no, not all religious aspects are good. Everybody knows that.

Stop being a child. OMG he said "I believe", it's those Christians trying to rape our brains again! OMG

>>2979395
I would have ended the Matrix series by never making a sequal to the original... seriously.

Dropping a link for someone out there to enjoy:
www.simulation-argument.com/matrix2.html

>>2981245
And I think you are making this out to be a bigger deal than I see it as. I didn't like the religous stuff in there, but that was only one thing I didn't like about the movies. If Keanu Reeves could act, the story line was better put together, and the design of the Matrix universe was executed better I could have forgiven the Christian undertones.

Look at The Chronicles of Narnia. I loved that movie and hated the anti-church equivalent The Golden Compass. I just think the Matrix movies could have been a lot better.

>>2979395
Well first off, when the actress playing the Oracle died, I would have simply had her character killed off, probably off-screen. Actually, I would have cut most of the convoluted bullshit by either not having any dialog whatsoever about the subject (like Link replacing Dozer), or just saying "thats a load of shit, let's get rid of that and replace it with something that makes sense."
As for the ending, I think Morpheus should have died, Trinity should have been severely wounded, but alive, and Neo should have been able to vaporize Smith without batting an eye. I mean...is he the digital messiah or is he not?
Oh, except the Oracle would have been dead, so Smith could never have absorbed her. Why the fuck did that give him superpowers anyway?
Anyway, I would have also included some of the back story from "The Second Renaissance" to make the machines seem a bit less like two-dimensional evil robots who hate humanity for no reason. They actually have a very good reason to hate humanity, and anyway they have a heavy, if non-nonsensical reliance on humans.
Fuck, now that I've gotten to that point I think I'd change the plot altogether to make it so that the Machines have perfected Cold Fusion or antimatter reactors and don't need to commit copious amounts of time and resources to enslaving humanity anymore, and have begun purging the Matrix. Neo has to team up with Agent Smith to defeat the machines and free Humanity.

>>2981396
That is the best ending yet.

I would've run the third one as:

The 'real' world is in fact just another Matrix built to contain a crazy genocidal AI (the Architect or whatever), and all 'real' humans are actually just AIs as well. which is why Neo was able to kill the Sentinel at the end of Reloaded with his mind.

Neo breaks through into the real world. Or is it?

THAT WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD. Instead we got robo-suits.