op starts off abusive and ends reasonably

m'thinks op is an anti-social faggot and fears people

thus this thread will go nowhere

OP is unintentional troll but a troll all the same

*minimizes

>and confiscations (New Orleans aftermath of Katrina)

Here's how I justify it: there's not a shred of proof that this happened beyond NRA propaganda videos. So, go fuck yourself with your precious guns, faggot.

>>2970631
Yeah, wouldn't the people with guns just SHOOT the people taking them?

>>2970629
Oh sorry, did the term leftard get you butthurt? Text carries very little emotion. That's why I tend to avoid personal emails. Anyways, I didn't intend to give off that feeling unless you ARE getting butthurt over the questions, then enjoy your butthurt.
>m'thinks op is an anti-social faggot and fears people
>OP is unintentional troll but a troll all the same
You are making a lot of presumptions.

Also,
>AM
how much do you hate humans?

No
No
No
N/A
As long as you keep them away from niggers and spics, Second Ammendment FTW!

>>2970647
Government officials with automatic weapons and more training. lol no.

BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU NEED A FULLY AUTOMATIC RIFLE FOR HUNTING LOL?

No but seriously OP, I don't support bans, but I do support control. Why? because if you've done any research into the subject you'll realize that the vast majority of shootings in this country are what we call "crimes of passion". What that means is that it wasn't a cold calculated plot by a criminal, rather it was something that happened in the heat of the moment, for example: a man shoots his wife because she wouldnt stay in the kitchen or something like that.

I support gun control because I think it helps keep guns in the hands of responsible citizens and out of the hands of self destructive idiots.

>>2970683
What kind of control are you talking about, specifically?

>DC handgun ban
As you already know, that was struck down as unconstitutional.

>>2970683

>I support gun control because I think it helps keep guns in the hands of responsible citizens and out of the hands of self destructive idiots.

This is what liberals actually believe.

You know whose hands gun control puts the guns into?

Niggers and spics that obtain the guns illegally to carry out those "crimes of passion".

>>2970682
They die from bullets just like everyone else.

>>2970647

Gun control caused Katrina

>>2970724
Did I mention bullet resistant armor? I didn't? Oh, well they have that too.

>>2970706

HURR DURR IT'S MINORITIES FAULT, WHITE POWER

>>2970683
LOL fully automatic weapons are used in very few crimes lol.

>>2970741
Did I mention rifle caliber rounds easily defeat most body armor derp?

Why is it assumed that all 'lefts' support gun control? I'm a democrat and love guns.

>>2970706

Well if it the "spics and niggers" went out and bought a gun illegally, that would be premeditated murder, not a crime of passion.

>>2970698

I support people needing to take a gun training course/test before being able to purchase and own a weapon, similar to the driving test you need to take to obtain your drivers license.

I also think certain things should permanently revoke your ability to own a weapon, such as being convicted of a felony.

>>2970706
>gun controI puts the guns into
>obtain the guns iIIegaIIy

troll or retard

>>2970762
If you need to take a course, how can it be kept anonymous?

Oh wait, it cannot.

Also, who cares if you are proficient in the operation, it is the intent that counts.

>>2970755
Did I mention that the have back up, food, explosives, TRAINING, and more guns than you?
>>2970758
It's typical of your party because the loud ones are against it.

It's all or nothing you morons, either you ban all guns and have a gun free climate like Western Europe or you allow for leaky gun control which pisses off NRA douchebags and does nothing to stop guns from ending up in criminal hands.

I'm a socialist, but I'm against gun control. I think the government limiting firearms is removing the right of the citizens to rebel, and therefore opening the doorway for an oppressive regime. However, I do support some gun safety laws.

The problem with gun control is that different people have different opinions on who shouldn't have them.

For example, I think that Nazis like >>2970706 shouldn't own weapons of any sort. They're actively against America, all they seem to do is whine about it from deep within their bunkers and occasionally crawl out of their holes to bomb state buildings to look important. Allow them to purchase anything beyond BB guns and all they'll do is stockpile them, and all that will result in are tense standoffs resulting in significant fatalities on both sides, mostly theirs, but still.

The -big- problem with gun control is that it doesn't seem to work out. Washington DC wasn't exactly a crime-free utopia when it had bans on handguns, forcing citizens into the awkward position of either becoming a criminal or trying to go without any defense of any sort.

Rightard here - I like gun rights, I don't like guns. Figured I'd fill out the survey though.
Yes.
No.
No.
N/A
Valuable and important tools I don't personally have a use for.

Also, an amusing note - the biggest gun nut I know votes for the socialist party here, because he likes their fiscal policy. Nonetheless he's looking into moving into the US for castle doctrine rights.

>>2970785
No one should listen to the loud ones on any side.

>>2970758
Contrary to popular belief, Democrats are rarely "left". They're just moderates sitting next to center right conservatives.

>>2970782

Well I guess it can't be kept anonymous. I dont see the problem.

>>2970785
Hoy, oh noes, how could we ever stand up to PEOPLE.

They are obviously many times more powerful and well trained thus DESERVE to lord over us and ignore our rights.

Only thing that should be restricted is already so - fully automatic. Oh, and other shit "military" grade. Like anything that can take out a radio tower. Like certain high caliber rifles.

>>2970834
also, fuck I am easily "trolled"

excited

whatever

>>2970835

I actually think that we should allow military grade weapons. Contrary to popular belief, most military grade weapons are less lethal than their civilian models, because they've been built to wound, not kill. I do think heavy weaponry like rocket launchers and grenades should be kept away from citizens though.

>>2970830
Invasion of privacy. In certain countries and in some other's history, registration of private property was the way to confiscate it or rid the country of undesirables.

>>2970866
>I do think heavy weaponry like rocket launchers and grenades should be kept away from citizens though.
Shall not be infringed.

Owning a firearm is not a right. It is a privilege. Allow me to explain:

No matter how retarded or stupid or insane you are, you are entitled to due process, a quick and speedy trial, and the eligibility to vote. This is automatic for just about every American citizen.

However, if you have a driver's license and you've had a history of completely fucking up and potentially (or already) harming others due to your negligence, you'd have your license revoked because you are likely to harm other people if you drove. You could drive a car WITHOUT the govt's permission but they at least have the power to take you off the road for being a dumbass.

Same goes for guns. If you've had a history of violence and felonies, you should not be able to own a gun legally because you'd eventually shoot somebody with it. If you were an ex-convict, criminally insane, legally insane, or anything of that nature you would not be able to own a gun. Therefore, it is a privilege. It is not automatically entitled to every American citizen regardless of who they are and what they've done.

That said, I like guns. If everyone had one, people would think twice about using them on someone else (although I realize how impossible this is). I don't personally own any guns and never fired one. I absolutely hate the fact that everyone thinks banning guns would immediately solve gun-related crimes. Its obvious that most gun-related crimes are done by those who own them illegally, and there's not a whole lot the govt can do about that other than keeping a close eye gun purchases in America (but this won't be very effective at all). But even then, giving everybody else guns would likely escalate the violence and increase the amount of innocent bystanders and collateral damage.

Its a tougher issue than most realize.

>>2970803 castle doctrine

Lawfag here. Only exists in retardland, aka, Texas.

>>2970866

I mean things like .50 rifles, armor piercing anything (HOLY SHIT THAT MUGGER ROBBED ME AT TANK-POINT?), and anything meant to suppress sound/flash.

Just out of curiosity, what military issued firearm do you think is designed to WOUND?

>>2970880

Just because you have a license doesn't necessarily mean you have a gun.

>>2970880

the government knowing that you have a gun is not a violation of privacy you bawwing republifag.

>>2970906
Awesome.

manlytears.jpg

Also, remember that owning a firearm is a constitutional "right" while driving is not. However, I do agree that you should loose your "rights" as a citizen if you abuse them.

yes
yes
yes
sport shooting and killing people
They're awesome

Im a liberal, im also not for banning guns, but some times I swear to god republicans are retarded. There are seriously some people out there who think the second amendment justifies them owning their own private tank.

Canadian here.
You fucks should not have guns available to you. You fuck it up too much. I own a number of firearms, mostly rifles. I like the mechanics of them. They're all registered, and I shoot them at a range. The rest of the time they sit locked up in my garage, so they're completely useless as a means of defense (not like I'd need it - Canadians don't have the level of abject poverty and easy access to guns that Americans have, so we don't break into houses and rob people). All that justification about maintaining a militia in case the government tries to fuck with you is bullshit. You've got guns for the same reason you have smokers and poorly designed cars: massive industries feed off of your compulsions to buy garbage, and bribe away any attempts to stop them with legislation.

I justify it by saying that people who get mad that they can't own guns are in dire need of something better to think about

I've seen a firearm
I've fired a firearm
I intend to buy one
and I don't feel anything about firearms in general; I just hate certain groups of people and I want to deny them everything

>>2970960

Canada has no poverty, robbery, or breaking and entering.

Utopia. What a well-balanced and non-troll-like post.

Really, owning a shotgun will protect your rights against a government that has nuclear weapons.

Say you live in a shitty neighborhood where home invasions happen (are common?).

When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes.

If you wait for the police, they'll find your corpse.

>>2970945

Technically, we DO lose our rights when we abuse them, or at least when we infringe other people's rights.

Its called prison.

>>2970996
Taking the bait here.

Seriously, the government and army and all that shit are people and Americans.

You think they are going to just sit by and let people get steamrolled if "the government" DID ever go to shit?

>>2971013
Please point me to a neighbourhood where robbers routinely break into houses and purposely kill homeowners.

ya'llrepblifagsbeenwatchintoomanychucknorrismovies.

>>2971037 should be 'with intent to kill homeowners'

Usually they just bail if they see trouble, man. Those guys only hit houses they're 99% sure are empty.

>>2971037

Ask my friend who was killed with a shotgun blast to the abdomen in a home invasion robbery while he sat on his sofa in the living room, watching TV.

It DOES happen. There are neighborhoods, shitty neighborhoods, besides the fucking suburbs where you live, whitey.

>>2970918
AHAHAHAHAHAHA FAGGOT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine#State-by-state_positions_on_Castle_Doctrine

>>2970924
>I mean things like .50 rifles, armor piercing anything (HOLY SHIT THAT MUGGER ROBBED ME AT TANK-POINT?), and anything meant to suppress sound/flash.
>.50 rifles
Okay, ban half finished guns, but why ban what can protect your field of vision and ears? Also, 9mms and 7.63 Tokarovs will fuck your "armor" up.

>>2970956
>There are seriously some people out there who think the second amendment justifies them owning their own private tank.
Why shouldn't I have a tank. I don't think it should be street legal unless I get a class A license and rubber treads.

>>2970960
LOL, butthurt socialist.

>>2970996
Because the government would use such a weapon so carelessly and then irradiate crops for years. FAIL.

>>2970924

Here again, still very curious about military issued weapons meant to "wound" not kill.

If it exists, I want to know. In fact I want a list, because apparently MOST military weapons are less harmful than civ gear.

>>2971065
BAAWW BAAWW, ask my friend who's an astronaut. I was on the Columbia, man. Shit was INTENSE.

>>2971077

Sorry, let me rephrase: HIGH POWER FIFTY CALIBER RIFLES THAT CAN PUT LARGE MUTHERFUCKING HOLES IN PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING BUT INCHES THICK OF STEEL.

this is all retarded...basically, people who live in big cities are against guns, because mostly regular people don't own them...only criminals and cops...criminals know this and are more likely to rob the unarmed civilians, who relate the story to their friends/acquaintances/news outlets, thus reinforcing the belief that guns are bad.

I'm a liberal and I believe a well armed populace is the best defense against not only crime, but tyranny. When I lived in the city, I knew a buttload of conservatives who were against guns...

OP is a fucking retard

Just so you know about "bulletproof" armor

>>2971077
I think he meant the shitty south in general.

>>2971078
The Nazis used wooden bullets for a while. England (and a lot of countries) used to shit on and put dirt on their weapons to inflict more casualties and cost the war effort more on the opponent's side. We have CS gas, microwave guns, tasers, and rubber bullets (mostly Eurofags and Jews use those). Yes, these all have been used in military conflicts.

>>2971078

most military "assualt" rifles, because they're bullets aren't designed to be armor piercing.

>>2971105
oh and
1) yeah
2) yeah
3) yeah
4) defense
5) I think every mentally stable adult, who has no mental or physical disability, should be required by law to carry a gun.

>>2971077

Why shouldn't you have a tank? What happens when some insane asshole decides to abuse his tank priveleges and goes on a rampage that the police can't stop because they're not properly equipped.

Yes
Yes
Yes
Family heirloom
People should be psychologically evaluated before owning one. That's about it.

>>2971107
tell me what I'm looking at here. What do the colors of the pie chart mean? I want to read this properly.

>>2971152

If more people had tanks, they would be able to stop the rampage themselves moron.

Firearms are highly illegal in Australia unless you have a license, and even then your gun must be in a gun cabinet, locked, separate from the ammunition. I'm not sure the conditions under which you are allowed to use it either.

1. Yes, plenty. (LOL IN TEH MOOVIES) Guy my dad knows has a bunch of high powered sniper rifles. Bolt action rifle. Probably pistols and shit too. My dad has an air rifle.
2. Yes. Just the air rifle
3. No
4. -
5. Fucking unnecessary and dangerous unless your home is being invaded or you're the police.

The primary reason that guns exist is to kill shit. I understand that some people don't deserve to live, and they're the ones the guns are to be used on... but how many innocent people get shot compared to bad guys? I bet it's a lot more.

>>2971175
with no damage to the surrounding world at all

>>2970918
Then my buddy's probably going to wind up a Texan.

>>2971177
more innocents get hurt because they don't have a gun to defend themselves with.

>>2971175

Oh I see so the power of law enforcement is taken away from the government and into the hands of the people. So you're advocating anarchy?

>>2971173
http://www.bulletproofme.com/Ballistic_Protection_Levels.shtml

Those are the projectiles the vest rated at those numbers has a good chance of mitigating.

Notice most of them are handgun calibers.

You need fucking hard plates to stop that shit. Plates cannot be everywhere unless people start going around in fucking full plate that weighs a ton or something ridiculous.

>>2971107

I'm not talking kevlar and vests and shit, I'm talking cars and plane engines.

>>2971198

Anarchy? OK dude, I'll keep my gun in my holster the next time a whacko starts killing everyone because it'll be taking it in my own hands, you anti-democratic fuck, you would love the government to have ALL the power and label any free speech or civil right as anarchy.

>>2971192
How about rather than playing the "piss back and forth into each other's faces" game, we actually get some hard statistics posted in this thread. Shut one of you faggots up.

>>2971245

Calm down troll. Time to give it up.

Guns are for pussies.

Ok so I was wondering... how will having a gun protect you from some other motherfucker shooting you dead before you can react?
I'MA SHOOT DIS BITCHES BULLET OUTTA MIDAIR MUFUGGA!

>>2971187

If you're responsible everything should be OK, guns can destroy and deface buildings but you don't hear any news of "Gun riot brings down apartment flat", just make sure people can operate the vehicle properly and all will be well. Hell even in Big Brother Britain, they get to drive tanks on road with a license.

handgun owner here. Used to shot competitively, 3-gun combat, PPC. NRA certified instructor: home safety, long gun, handgun (lapsed).

I have no illusions about home safety; people who keep loaded guns in their house are insane and likely to be shot with their own gun. Mine are locked, unloaded, in a steel box, and ammunition is somewhere else.

Not sure how i feel about registration etc. Mixed mind, tl;dnr.

But 'defense against govt' is insane, that was 18th century at best, it's not even a credible fantasy for people with 100 iq. give up.

>>2971218
you don't need plates everywhere. The reason body armor is usually in vest form is because that protects the important internal organs. A helmet would be nice too.

>>2971273
Pretty sure they're talking about some kid who's a bystander catching a bullet to the face. Shit like this happens all the time in US cities, it's why all non-redneck americans hate teh guuunz.

I live in Texas. I have a gun case full of guns. I've fired them. To kill defenseless animals and then eat their hearts to gain their courgage

>>2971192
Surely there are other ways to defend oneself.

>>2971280
Lol bulletproof helmets wight about 4 fucktons. Give or take.

>>2971257

Ah you got me, I knew the tin foil, anti-government stuff was a bit much. Should have left it at right to defend others.

I fucking hate this fucking mute block shit. FUCK. Anyways:

>>2971100
With heat seeking boolets? Seriously, what is your reasoning for that? I am genuinely curious.
>>2971152
So let me get this straight, if a civilain has an upperhand, it's unequivocally bad? Also, what's stopping the police from having a tank as well?
>>2971189
See: >>2971077
>>2971198
Derp.
>>2971229
Box o' Truth google dat shit.
>>2971251
gunfacts.info
>>2971274
Ron Paul would so be ashamed of you.

>>2971273
ummm
why are you bringing up "if you're responsible" when the scenario described was one guy goes on a tank rampage and your response was he'll be taken out by civilian tanks?

that equals damage to surroundings

I (a Swede) am leftist compared to most Americans. I approve of many of our social policies (well-fare and universal health care, for example), but I also believe that we should, with proper training and certification, be allowed to own handguns for personal protection. Assault rifles? Maybe not, though it sure would be fun.

>>2971290
you don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

hell, you don't bring anything but a gun to a gunfight if you want to live.

Driving to work in my tank and I come across a traffic jam
"BEEP BEEP ASSHOLE. MOVE OUT OF THE FUCKIN WAY OR I BLOW YOUR SHIT UP!"

>>2971346
That's the most fucking retarded phrase you could have used. Technically you don't want to be bringing anything to a gunfight, you want to be getting the fuck out of there. The only thing you're gonna get from going to a gunfight is SHOT.

>>2971326
>Assault rifles
What makes a rifle assaulty? From what I've read, studied, cross examined, and learned was that it's a buzz word designed to invoke strong emotions and materialize them to a specific mean.

>>2971383
but you know what I mean, right? If someone attacks you with a gun and you whip out your knife, they will shoot you, and you may die.

If they attack you with a gun and you pull out your own gun you will either shoot them, they will shoot you, or the threat of being shot will cause the attacker to flee.

Here's the deal. The government should not regulate US. The people should regulate the Government. Should there be band on weapons? Yes. What kinds? I'd say only Grenades/Grenade Launchers, RPGs. Mainly explosive weapons.

Now should full auto weapons be banned? No. There is no reason to ban those. And for your questions.

Hey leftards,

How do you justify firearm control (registration, licensing, microstamping, et cetera), bans (AWB, California Roberti Roos list, DC handgun ban), and confiscations (New Orleans aftermath of Katrina)? What is your reasoning behind it? What should or shouldn't be restricted to the public? What should be the requirements to keep and bear arms?

Side questions:
Have you seen a firearm IRL? Yes, I have.
Have you fired a firearm? Yes, Many.
Do you own a firearm? Yes, I do.
If so, for what purpose? Personal protection and shooting for fun.
How do you feel about firearms in general? I like them.

I believe any ban on GUNS is unconstitutional. Grenade launchers i can live without just fine.

>>2971425
Why explosives? I'm not trolling, I'm seriously trying to gather more information on certain ideals. What makes explosives to be a bannible weapon?

>>2971305

Box o' Truth, nice site. :o

>>2971465

not the same guy, but i would argue that as far as personal defense is concerned, an explosive will kill an assailant just as easily as a handgun, BUT an explosive can be used to quickly kill multiple people simultaneously. How often are you going to face multiple assailants where a handgun wont be sufficient to defend yourself? conclusion: explosives will likely only be used by criminals to kill mass amounts of people, and they will contribute nothing to defense than a gun already does, so we should try to keep them out of the hands of criminals any ways we can.

>>2971395
Well, you you are the Banifornia: Any two of pistol grip, detachable magazine, flash suppressor, bayonet lug.

Shits retarded. Convenience features like these are outside of the point. Banning them prevents nothing, its all about image. Ban something that sounds scary, and you are tough on crime!

>>2971465
Well, explosives are quite unnecessary. And it's a lot harder to dig shrapnel out of somebody than it is to dig a bullet out. Explosives are meant to mame/kill the assailants much more effectively (Especially if said assailant lacks body armor or protection) than conventional firearms.

>>2971525
HOW THE FUCK DID YOU KNOW I LIVE IN THIS NANNY STATE?
>>2971520
>>2971532
Meh, I'll just read a cookbook or two. When they outlaw explosives, only outlaws will have explosives, lol.

WHEN I SAW 'LEFTARTDS' I THOUGHT OP WAS GOING TO RIP ON LEFT-HANDED PEOPLE OR SOMETHING


QUIT ARGUING ABOUT SHIT

My dad is a Vietnam combat veteran, retired Army Lieutenant Colonel and former Green Beret with four Purple Hearts and a Silver Star to his name. Since he was old enough to vote he has leaned very liberal and has voted Democrat and even was an avid supporter of Obama. At this time I am aware of him owning many firearms among them a sawed-off single-shot shotgun that he used as a sidearm in Vietnam. In the battle of Ia Drang Valley he used it to shoot a Vietcong officer in the testicles and then proceeded to slit his throat with a trench knife which he also still owns.

I take after him as far as my political leanings and views on gun ownership.

>>2971559
Would you like me to rip on southpaws? I can if you want me to.

>>2971648

HEY IT'S UP TO YOU BRO

IT'S JUST WHAT I EXPECTED, NOT LIKE YOU LET ME DOWN OR ANYTHING I JUST WANTED TO INTERRUPT ARGUMENTNINEKAY


THEY DO KINDA SUCK THOUGH, HUH?

>>2970631

the rooms filled with barrels filled with confiscated guns. idiot.

>>2971735
Don't forget the massive complaints, eye witnesses, the fucking announcement saying exactly what they were going to do and of course the obviously shooped videos made by the NRA.

>>2970960

Don't you have a bear to fuck or something? Go back to your maple syrup mines while we 'murkans rock the shit out of everything.

Faggot.