It's not, dutchfag here. Urop is boring and stale, I want to live in America because your grass is greener.

Eurofag here, I wouldn't live in America, but Europe is not that great. There are a lot of moralfag and fucking fascists here too. People look more open-minded probably because you were is some kind of hostel with young travelers. There are a lot of stupid nationalists here, mainly because the Governments can't handle the immigration properly.

>>2902359

Jij zou eens in het partijschema van de NSB moeten kijken.

>>2902383

Yeah I guess I figured that a little bit to be true, since I realized that the taxes are pretty steep over there.

I like living in Europe.
But I don't think it's that different from living in America unless you are located either in a fundamentalist-hotspot or in a ghetto.

In Europe we got sandniggers instead of regular niggers and fascists instead of christfags.

Europe is great. Far less criem than in the Us. We can travel to other countries without people hating us.

And of course were more tolerant and open minded than ur bible-belt-dominated country

I enjoy living in Europe. But I wouldn't say it's too different from living in America. Healthcare and education system in most European countries is much better though.

Britfag here. I used to live in the south of France (Nice) and that was great - chilled, layed back, awesome people. Don't like the UK that much, going to definately move once I'm done with University.

Europe is good, but not "freakin' awesome"!

My country allows gay marriage.
My entire class watches the L word, we're a class of 24. 3 of us are boys, 21 are girls.
None of us cares if someone is gay or not.

>>2902424

Yeah, I think the education system in America is pretty fucked up. I live in New Jersey, so the education system is comparatively better here than other states (Mississippi, Louisiana, etc.)

The UK is shit. The rest of it is OK, though.

wot sup OP

I'm from Worcestershire.. never been to America and I don't recon I will whilest ye have a Moor president, eh?

>>2902413
Not enough if you ask me. Europe is about socialism, many of us think our State should provide us the services we need. E.g. health care, school, etc.

You can't look for places to compare to America. Everywhere is going to have similarities but they'll be different every time.

Every place is unique with unique similarities and differences to everywhere else.

Without living in a place you'll never understand what it's like to live there based on the opinions of the ones living there.

Their opinions are going to be jaded based on their perception of the US because that's what they're going to be basing it on for your frame of reference.

>>2902437

Yeah that's what really upsets me about America. I'm straight, but I think gay marriage is really important. Even Mr. Liberal Obama only supports civil unions. It's disgusting how forward-minded America thinks it is when we have stupid things like proposition 8.

>>2902460
Listen, it is better that he is civil union than outright gay supporter. Otherwise he wouldn't have been picked for president. This way, he can satisfy the most people without pissing off too many, really. How many people do you not think would've thrown a shitfit if he allowed gay marriage everywhere?

>>2902456

Europe is not socialist. At best, it is social-democratic, but that is being swept away by the tide of neoliberalism imposed by domestic governments and the EU.

>>2902476

Yeah how did you guys all feel about the switch to the Euro? I'm just curious.

I don't know. I love the climate and the culture and the fact that I could visit many completely different countries in a day or two if I had the money. I like the languages and the attitude. I like how I generally feel a lot safer in Europe than I do when I'm in America.

But it can be boring. All of the life is in U.S. Over there there is a constant sort of movement that only really takes certain corners of Europe every few years.

>>2902446
I'm just going to say this, don 't use NJ as a benchmark for American education. It's ranked near the top IIRC.

Europe really is freakin' awesome, when compared to the USA.

>>2902505
It sucks for the common people, but it's great for international trade and stuff of that sort.

>>2902505
My country hasn't done the Euro switch yet

>>2902505
It's convenient if you travel alot. But personaly I'd rather have back my old currency.

>>2902451
> Worcestershire

1/10

As Eurofag, I don't view Europe as that much more open minded than America. I think the biggest difference is just that Europeans don't tend to embrace religion as strongly as Americans do, or at least, the religious people is much smaller minority here, so noone listens or really cares about them.

Also, another factor in the openess is that Europeans are much more accustomed to dealing with foreigners, and people tend to have much less national zeal as the Americans. We don't go around touting how like Germany or Spain is the greatest country in the world and as individual countries, we don't go messing around with other nations politics as much.

But, even with all that, Europe isn't really all that much more open minded. Even if we aren't being upfront about it, we're still harsh towards people different from us. If you intend to live in Europe, we expect you to renounce all your old habits and integrate. Though we might like you as a tourist and treat you well, we don't appreciate you bringing your customs here, if you intend to live with us. Integrate or die.

Also, Europe sucks at immigration policy, as has been said.

>>2902505
As a Finn, I thought it was awesome. Finally having a currency that is meaningful somewhere else. It's great having prices listed in Euros in many online stores these days. Sure, adjusting after the change was somewhat demanding, but personally I think it's been entirely worth it.

>>2902474
Yeah that's true. I think most people in America don't mind gays and will even want them to be treated with dignity and respect, but there are still a lot of antiquated view of them. Society is getting progressively more open, but people still think gays have the same creepy kind of culture like in 1970s. I was having a discussion with like 25 people about homosexuality and I was amazed that most of them (~20) thought that it was a choice. This isn't even a really conservative area.

2902460
> The Obama is a cake! He will not solve every single problem. If you listened to his oath its the same bullshit Bush, Regan and every freaking other president has been spewing. Nothing is going to change.

>>2902565
it's also not a choice for me to be totally turned on by femdom

>>2902342

I guess it's somewhat fine. But you can't generalize on all of Europe because there a quite a few shitholes here as well.
I'd say the Benelux countries and Scandinavia are best.

Also, I can see a doctor whenever I want/have to without fearing of being in debt to the ears (or having debts at all).

>>2902541
I disagree with you on the integration part.
Where I live there are a lot of Americans and they are far from being integrated. But noone cares as long as they behave.

>>2902476
Well, I never heard about a (real) social dictatorship.

>>2902541
This person is stupid.

besides, cocks.

>>2902575
Exactly the argument I made against them. Sure it's a generic argument, but it doesn't go through most people's heads.

>>2902541

Oh I totally understand the integration idea. I take Spanish in school, so when I visited Spain I would always try my best to communicate in Spanish, and I usually succeeded. Seriously, I HATE ugly Americans in Europe. I visited a region in Spain called Galicia, which does not come by American tourists very often - they thought I was German or British (which I am by heritage), and I'd always have to explain I was American.

I was terrified when I went to Portugal though. I didn't know a word of Portuguese except for thank you and I don't speak Portuguese. I was so embarrassed, but people seemed to know English.

>>2902586
country, please

I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

you seem to be very self-conscious and more preoccupied with trying to join in with some fabricated elitism, as if defecting to the 'better' side. believe it or not, europe is a continent with widely varying people. referring to 'europe' as one single thing with one single quality makes it clear that if we are the 'better' side, you're better off sticking to your stars and stripes.

>>2902659
portugalfag here... yea most young ppl here speak English now and on the major citys and the most touristic regions like the Algarve you'll always easily comunicate... nothing to be terrified about us, and actually most of us treat tourists better than we treat our countrymen lol

>>2902659
>>2902724
yeah every movie here is subbed so young people are fairly comfortable with English. Pretty much 90% of my English vocabulary comes from movies or TV.

>>2902342
You have to understand that most Europeans put the region they live in first, country second and the whole of Europe third if at all.

We're not really open-minded towards our neighbours, and the European union is regarded as a little club for our governments' leaders to dick around in.

As such, most of us can't really comment on Europe as a whole, and those who can are usually lying.

>>2902724
Italianfag here, I have been in Spain a couple of times and it's terrible how few people know English. I ended "inventing" words, since Italian and Spanish are not *that* different.

>>2902756
so true... and the proof is that most governments dont even want to hv referendus concerning EU matters with fear of beeing rejected by the general population and so having to explain wtf they hv been doing there for all this years filling theyr pockets

Europe is good. Though faggots are totally taking over...

>>2902756
I confirm this; Amerifags think Europe is just like USA, where the Federation is super important. Most of us don't give a fuck about Europe; I don't really blame them, because we all speak different languages and retarded countries, with no "European" background like Turkey and Estonia keep entering in the UE.
That said, I really care about Europe and I think we should be a tighter federation, with a strong federal government.

There's no such thing as 'living in Europe'. You just live in a country that happens to be part of the EU. There is not an European Identity, no matter what the governments want you to believe.

>>2902805
>Turkey
Forgetting Constantinople?

Oh god OP reminds me of every 16 year old "bisexual" girl in my high school who wanted MOVE TO SOPHITSTIIFCATED EUROPE SOMEDAY I WON'T BE HATED THERE >:( , what a fag. America rocks. It's pretty much the GARest country around.

Well, for one thing, life is expensive here. Horrendous gas, food, insurance etc prices combined with high taxes (though we can expect a lot from our goverments, see health and social care).

Then again, we're not THAT focused on religion. Of course, there are bible-belt like nutjobs here too, but from what I've experienced people tend to be pretty tolerant here (most folks I met in 'Murka were too, so I don't think it's a fair comparison).

I also think that we've got an entirely different self-conception than you guys.
The kind of patriotism shown in the US would be impossible here (flags everywhere, "God bless America" chants etc.). Who knows where our patriotism will go, will we lose it completely, will we return to old-style nationalism or will we see Europe as our greater homeland? I don't know.

>>2902605
Perhaps it is just the Finnish bias in me speaking, then. Generally my point was that though we do not mind what people do among themselves, like in a community of American people, we are generally unappreciative of any foreigner trying to push their own ideas towards us.

As the gentleman in >>2902756 put it, the European countries are much more culturally varied than states in America (as we really are different countries and not just states of EU), that any opinion of Europe in general from Eurofag is going to be heavily biasad by their own country of origin.

You may be able to get a general idea by finding the common views shared by people from different countries, but the fact still exists that European countries are still very different from each other.

>>2902659
Due to the massive influx of american products and tv shows/movie (which are not dubbed, but subbed), I'd say about 80% of portuguese people under the age of 40 can hold a somewhat decent conversation in english.

Europe openminded? I live in Holland. Liberal paradise.

Don't make me laugh. Talking about your religion here is not done. You want to be religious? Fine, do so in your own time, if you open your mouth about God, expect to have your teeth kicked in by liberals.

Gay marriage is legal here. But you'd better not hold hands with your gay boyfriend or girlfriend. Talking about your sexual orientation here is not done.

Smoking and buying pot is legal here, but it won't be for much longer.

Other than that, it's a pretty great place to live. I'm actually very happy living here, despite all the moaning in politics ("WHY DO THINGS ALWAYS HAVE TO CHANGE BAWWWWWWWW ;_;"). If you want to live in Europe, go with Holland, but stay the fuck away from Amsterdam, and don't expect a liberal paradise where you can walk across the street naked while doing coke.