It's fundamentally superior to what the United States, and most other countries have at the present, however, the U.S. won't implement it because of the stigma of both the Nazi party and Communism (neither of which were Socialist, they were both tyrannies rules by a singular person, Hitler and Stalin respectively).

Socialism rewards those who do nothing and punishes those who work. Governments also tend to fuck shit up when they get involved, such as with bailouts or not allowing a free market.

>>2782795
OP here. Finally someone who agrees with me. People seem to think of socialism as totalitarianism or a fascist dictatorship.

>>2782820
You must not read /r9k/ often. It consists mainly of socialists.

>>2782850
I don't come to 4chan often. I rather 7chan.

>>2782812
Yes, Socialism sounds great on paper but realistically people's own greed gets the better of them, that's why Capitalism is so successful

>>2782909
Capitalism (for example in America) is successful in America but it exploits 3rd world countries. Capitalism is survival of the fittest but it is never fair.

Say what you will about whether or not the concept is fundamentally flawed, but 'paying even more in taxes for unskilled workers to continue to whine about how their Starbucks 9-to-5 job should totally support their family of four in some city with rather high living costs' isn't a really great motivation for continuing to work at some thankless job with a substandard quality of life, all while looking forward to a 401k that will be slashed to basically nothing and meager-even-if-they-existed-in-the-first-place social security benefits at 70 or when-the-fuck-ever.

I live in a socialist state in the northern Europe.

Ever hear us complain about our countries?

Yeah, that's because it's nice here.

>>2782909

troll? or dumb? who know anymroe,..

>>2782909
Capitalism is so successful? Look around you? The world economy is crumbling because of deregulation of free markets.

>>2782970
I'm guessing Sweden? What's Sweden actually like btw.

>>2782984
It's not a free market if the government bails people out.

>>2783018
America is just backwards socialism. It gives the money to the rich.

>>2783026
but remember the rich deserve it because they give us jobs. OOPS!

>>2783026
The problem is that it disguises itself as a free market when it isn't. So people think that free markets don't work.

>>2783043
Somalia is a free market

Go visit it ok.

I don't consider European welfare states socialist as the means of production are (mostly afaik) privately owned. Just because they have a few more "socialist" policies doesn't change that they are mostly capitalist, even if they aren't laissez-faire.

I've never had any problem with unions, but I fail to see why they need to be socialist, or any kind of communal ownership for that matter.

Under conservative regimes planned economies in the form of corporatism become meritocratic very quickly and cooperate well with unions. South Korea, Singapore and France are examples.

On the other hand socialist regimes which nationalise economic establishments, effectively turning them into an extension of state bureaucracy, result in stagnant economies riddled with corruption. India in the 60s, France in the 80s, Italy in the 70s and 80s, Britain in the 70s, Bolivia at the moment and of course every socialist government without a representative form of government.

>>2783037
are you stupid?

you are the one who made them rich in the first place with your labor, and they make sure you'll never get rich, you are happy to eat the crumbs that fall from their table

fuckin retarded school kids

>>2783153
Not that guy you responded to, but it's obvious he's being sarcastic. Jesus christ. When will this forum be able to detect obvious sarcasm?

>>2783173
my sarcasm radar is failing, this threads make me rage

>>2783106
It's an old line, sure, but when the UAW is forcing GM to produce over demand, with the unsold remainder then sold as fleet vehicles, which are quickly rotated out and resold as used, to a consumer base that's quickly being strapped for cash as a result of $3/gallon gas prices among other things, it's hard not to point fingers.

As a caveat, there's at least ten billion other equally important factors in Detroit's economic slump. I could probably blame it on your mom, or 4chan, if I really wanted to try.

I have no problem with unions when they aren't stringing their employers by the balls, or attempting to enforce unrealistic or unsustainable business models when arguing on behalf of the workers. There's gotta be a balance of power in everything.

>>2783225
Under corporatism major industries can become embedded into the politics, obtain favourable laws and grow far beyond their actual practical usage. This is still favourable to the socialist model however since the corporations must prove themselves to the public in order to accumulate political capital.

The solution of course is to have a laissez faire system whereby corporations have no political capital beyond the voting power of their shareholders.

bumping for more opinions.

My family is very socialist, my grandmother having connections to Ghandi.
I can tell you in all seriousness that I was a pretty devoted communist for about a year, but the more i got into modern politics the more i just great towards modern socialists like... that guy from vermont... fuck whats his name...

well anyways, being hardcore in politics is a great way to get no one to like you.

In my opinion socialism insists apon itself on many levels.

I think America needs more socialism...

...and when I mean more socialism what I mean is let workers own the means of production in the private sector, while the government own natural monopolies and natural resources.

>>2782984
What deregulation?

You aren't going to be able to answer, because there really was none, and the current crisis is due to intervention such as central bank manipulation of interest rates, quasi-government institutions such as freddy and fannie and regulation such as the CRA.

But sure, keep regurgitating inane socialist catchphrases if that's what helps you sleep at night.

I think I'll stick with capitalism with as much state control as necessary. It's the best way to go.

>>2784618

Gee, that statement sure was meaningful and intelligent.

Oh, I'm sorry, there was a typo there.

What I meant to type was EAT MY SHIT NIGGER

NO THANKS

I PREFER TO KEEP MY MONEY AND LIVE IN A REPUBLIC

>>2783732
>the corporations must prove themselves to the public in order to accumulate political capital.

Aside from just letting some small groups of people have more say in politics than others being a big roadblock in democracy, lets suppose a corporation does enough service to the public that it gains "political capital". What happens when it becomes corrupt? Does it just bail itself out with this political capital? In fact, it could probably use that "capital" to change several laws that make their corruption illegal in the first place.

>>2782760
Only works in small communities. See "kibbutzim".

I don't have to think about socialism, it's the status quo.

>>2784854
>capitalist republic
ahahahahahahahahaha

I think, as said above, it works only in small communities, trying to apply it to a country is gay.

>Democratic_Socialism
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA