Only pedophiles? What about rapists? Or people who beat their kids?

You obviously don't know what castration involves...

I think that's hazardous to one's health/ qualifies as cruel and unusual / wouldn't really solve the problem (They can still molest little girls without a penis).

But lets do it, because it would be awesome.

>>2780801
Those are not limited to using their genitals to commit crimes. They're fine.

>>2780812

Chemical castration, then.

Why just not eliminate the root of the problem and kill all children - this way pedophiles would not be able to harm anyone.

Already being done. Look up Chemical Castration.

>>2780809
I know that it would effectively prevent them from procreating. Since pedophiles cannot get fully aroused to perform legal sex, they don't need to reproduce, therefore, they shouldn't be in possession of the proper organs for that function.

The only reason we should not simply execute them, is that we could also castrate them and use their workforce in order to benefit society.

>sexual relations with minors is an illegal activity throughout the civilized world

Um... Saudi Arabia ruled the other day that a 10 yr old girl who is married needs to just suck it up until she gets old enough to have legal standing to challenge it (or some bullshit like that).

Many 'civilizations' don't even have a separate legal status for 'minors'.

Just saying.....

99.9% of 4chan is fucked.

>>2780843
>civilized world
>Saudi Arabia

Wait, what?

>>2780796
"Pedophiles experience sexual urges towards children" does not imply "pedophiles are unable to experience sexual urges towards consenting adults". It's amazing how many people make this mistake.

>>2780843
>civilized world
Saudi Arabia is by no means considered a civilized country. Look it up.

It is a scientifically prvoen fact that bigoted fascists like OP can't read philosophy and understand that willpower>insincts.

>>2780853
true pedos can only get it up to dfc. lurk moar fgt

troll thread or a female.

either way I don't care about your hideous christian morals.

>>2780864
"Pedophilia: a sexual attraction to children".

So, uh...

Homosexuality is defined as a psychological disorder in which a person experiences intense sexual urges towards the same gender. It is a known fact that sexual relations with the same gender is an illegal activity throughout the civilized world.

I posit that, being unable in any way shape or form to use their genitalia in a lawful manner, all homosexuals should therefore be castrated.

>posit

What does this word mean mr. OP?

Also, all peado's should be killed or sent to australia.

I agree. Let's inaugurate this timely law with Investment Banker's nards first.

>>2780796
You forgot masturbation, dickweed. As far as I can tell, that's still legal.

>>2780888
propose, postulate, presume

>>2780895

Dogging is much more sociable and acceptable though.

>>2780886
haha I wanted to post that but couldn't get the text right. thanks, yours sounds about right.

>>2780895
Masturbation? to ILLEGAL child porn? to ILLEGAL loli manga? it's still ILLEGAL.

>>2780899

That doesn't help :(

>>2780886
What are you talking about, it's perfectly legal in Canada.

Canada is by no means considered a civilized country. Look it up.

>>2780886
homosexuality aint illegal, jack. look it up.

>>2780855
they live in houses and wear clothes.
Even without that, they are, technically, a civilization.
Stop being a moral twat just because another culture thinks differently than you.

To repeat, many civilisations (at least the non Euro-centric ones) do not have such silly things as age of consent, or "minors". The ones that do, even, vary greatly in what that age is. So stop being a twat.

>>2780910
you wouldn't download A CAR.......jesus.....

>>2780915

It's a sin against God though.

>>2780881
So uh what? I have a food attraction for cheese and I can eat other things. Jut because pedos like children that doesn't mean they can't fuck other people.

>>2780920
That's all these threads are about. Fucking bitches bitching about their christian morals they got taught by mommy and daddy and pedophiles are sick and bad tv tells me so XD

>>2780895

In spite of how closeted paedos masturbate to kiddie porn, we couldn't tell 'em apart from everybody else. On the other hand, paedos who have commited abuses against children...

>>2780915
Neither is pedophilia. Almost anywhere.
Pedophilia being just the attraction, you see.

being a pedophile and touching children are very different things.

if you castrate people for being attracted to children, youre castrating them for a thought-crime.

OP epic fail of a degree i've never even seen before.

please die now.

/thread.

>>2780886
haha i love gayness is the first thing pedos cite against detractors. go hide behind daddy's skirt, fuckin scum.

Seriously guys, there is no way that there are still people that are that uptight anymore.

>>2780944
I applaud your use of logic to deliver convincing and well-thought-out points.

>>2780944
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset.

Child abuse fucks the kids up, and it is never justified.

And no, a fucking child can't consent.

>>2780943
touching children in a sexual manner and being a pedophile are the same exact thing. look it up.

>>2780954

Underageban ??!??!?!??!?! yes you are.

what's with all the pedo hate. makes me wonder if there's that many people who have experienced first hand sexual abuse as a child

>>2781024

oh my god you are retarded.

pedaresty and pedophilia are different things.
a pedophile is someone who is attracted to children, a pedarast is someone who touches children.

pedophile is a psychological definition, not a verb.
pedarasty is an action. the act of molesting a child.
i suggest you look it up.

>>2781033

When I was young a man grabbed my cock and stroked it. It had no effect on me whatsoever, because i'm not weak.

I didnt read a single reply, but I see 50 replies, and am willing to bet its 90% butthurt NAMBLA members posting retarded arguments they got off boy love forums

I posit that the only thought crime punishable by law should be acting like the OP.

>>2781033
Most people have experienced the emo wrist slitting girl with a my chemical romance themed myspace who obviously had some experience with a creep in the past to make her that way instead of joining the cheerleading squad like she normally would have

>>2780943
>youre castrating them for a thought-crime.
gotta love your circular logic here.
children aren't meant to have sex, they wont understand it and cannot enjoy it. it doesnt matter how many times you tell yourself that youre a good person for "loving" children -that- way while trying your hardest not to let your sick instincts get the best of you. you're still scum in the eyes of society and you'll never change. eventually something will snap inside of you and you'll warp the life of an innocent soul.
so why not prevent it before it happens?

Do not pedos get chemically castrated to remove their urges?

>>2781093

There names get written on a list and are not allowed to live near play-parks or schools.

>>2781065

pretty typical response. accuse the defenders of rights as being sympathetic to the ideals of the people who's rights are being infringed.

there are laws in place to catch criminals, as well as programs to stop people from committing crimes. theyre not perfect, but thats the price we pay for not living in a dangerous dictatorship.

and no doubt, all youre thinking now is that i'm a pedophile.
no, i just dont want be a part of a world where people can be castrated or killed for thought-crimes.

Bad idea bro' for one its cruel and unusual, and two there is nothing wrong with being a pedophile, only when the urges are acted upon does it become wrong.

But maybe it could be an option for a lighter sentence or something? I think they've done it for rapists before.

>>2781080
>fucking truth

how about treating children well so we dont have to deal with fucked up adults everywhere

its obvious to everyone except pedos and child abusers and such; THATS why the average member of the public would take a steel pipe to them if they knew what they were.

I agree. They are a danger to society. Nothing of value is lost.

>>2781084

what circular logic?
>so why not prevent it before it happens?
again, retarded. you just did what you accused me of doing. "prevent it before it happens" is what a thought-crime is. pedophiles dont necessarily molest children (PEDOPHILE IS A PSYCHOLOGICAL DEFINITION, NOT A VERB). its like saying that people with anger problems should be put in jail, to prevent a murder before it happens.
>children aren't meant to have sex, they wont understand it and cannot enjoy it
i never said it was ok to molest children, in any circumstances. and i dont disagree with you on that point.
generally, children who have been molested are psychologically damaged by it, because society always says that its disgusting and wrong and depraved, and that's usually what makes them feel worthless and degraded.

Go to a,n;o-n'ta.l.k.com (remove punctuation) to see the creepiest pedo conversations you've ever seen. 50% of the threads are about some 7 year old girl they saw at the grocery store today.

We really do need to protect our teenage boys from those evil mincing women who would sully their reputations.

>>2781265
You say this as if they don't exist. That's funny. Pedos can be so naive. kids who are victims of pedophiles are much more likely to grow up fearing authority, and having some sort of antisocial behaviour/condition. Read about it. see, the internet is for more than looking at kiddie porn to jack your dick off to. you can find lots of great research journals on it too.

in my personal opinion, they should be sentenced to death. castration is alright too i guess. but preferably, hang the shit out of them. publically. televise it, too, Fox would jump all over that shit.

>>2781307
people who think pedophilia is wrong ARE the one fearing authority. Because it's the authority says them that, and they listen, instead of thinking rationally.

So, do women rapists get their cunts sewn up?

>>2781328
go back to your shack, cleetus. i think i saw a racoon steal your dinner.

You can't have discussion when half the people think pedophile means "one who fucks kids"

Two problems with that:

1. That would be a thought crime

2. What if the man didn't actually have sex with the child?

>>2781362
nice argumentation, faggot, go suck some more cocks

>>2781307

are you talking about people who are attracted to children, or people who have actually molested children?

people who are attracted to children will eventually try to have sex with them. otherwise they'll live in torment, not being able to satiate their urges. is that so hard to understand?

>>2781367

this.

>>2781307
>>2781328

what if the child didnt see being molested as a negative experience. sure, the person who did it to them could be totally twisted, but if they dont harm them, what have they done wrong? (other than break the law. the law isnt automatically Truth or Justice. also, you just thinking theyre a creep doesnt mean they deserve punishment.)

"pedophilia" does not mean "fucking children"

get that into your thick skulls already.

>>2781426

wow, that sounds like SCIENCE!!1
>people who are attracted to children will eventually try to have sex with them

no, seriously, thats amazing, where did you come up with that?

maybe we should base all law on shallow semi-logical principles.
poor people are eventually going to steal. if they dont, they will continue to be poor and they obviously dont want that. they should have their hands cut off.
people with emotional problems are obviously going to resort to violence. if they dont, they will never find any escape from their anxiety. therefore, they should be isolated from society permanently.
the horrific nature of the crime does not justify arresting someone before they even do it.
quite frankly, im appalled that anyone can think that is ok. society has been entering a mentally enlightened age, of reason and just law, and this is just backpedaling into dark-ages shit.

but dont worry. you can just tell yourself im a pedophile, and that i deserve to die. thatll make you feel better.

ITT: You are all pedos who currently may not have touched a little girl, but are still fappan to CP and loli and cumming buckets. You enjoy this fappan and know that if this were passed, the legal banhammer would come down on you like the Almighty Thor on steroids.

That is all.

Pedo is not a psychological condition, it's poor self-control, fgts. Learn to control impulses!

Question:
Is ephebophilia the same as pedophilia?
NO.
YOU ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT EPHEBOPHILIA.
GTFO.

i dunno but that girl in the OP pic is making me want to fap

>>2781516
no.
Pedo is a psychological condition.

Child rape is poor self-control.

Pedophilia, fetish or poor self-control, is still fucking retarded.
You are all evolutionary dead-ends, please commence the anhero nao.

I think it's always funny that people don't think much about when they were younger and wanted to have sex with an older woman. It'd be interesting to see a woman given unnecessary surgery to deal with her cravings for high school boys.

>>2781847
Truth.
When I was a wee loli (12-17) I wanted badly to sleep with my dad's older friends, my male teachers, my friends' dads, etc etc...I thought older men were way hotter than boys my own age.

>>2781868

My god, this is exactly me. Except we were jailbait, not loli.
I had this one History teacher....my god.
He was tall and distinguished and was a total geek. He was a runner and his hair was starting to gray a bit and jesus fucking christ I need to stop now.
I still think a lot of older men are hotter.

>>2781641

Pedophilia actually ha an evolutionary bias. You are getting to the goods before anyone else does, which is good. Your genetic off spring will be first

You can be pretty sure the goods are STD free another advantage.

So yeah evolution favors pedo's.

>>2781935
I probably has something to do with girls being fertile from early age in modern times...

most girls have first menstruation around 11 or earlier..

>It is a known fact that sexual relations with minors is an illegal activity throughout the civilized world.

This proves everything beyond a shadow of a doubt. There's simply no contest here.

>>2782095

you keep (9) out of your mouth, no-account.

Okey so this goes like this then?

"Guy get's his nutsack cut off, he can still get it hard so he keeps fucking kids > He get's his dick cut off also, so he just uses his hands to play with them > He get's his hands cut off > He becomes a burden on the state and can't do much alone"

Seriously get them help or make sure they can't get into contact with children.

I love how they defend themselves. Simple fact is a normal human mind that developed properly in and out of the womb is not meant to find little kids attractive. Teenagers are fair game because some of them are pretty fucking hot, see Myley Cyrus.

>>2781924

Young lady, I'm going to need you to stay after class. Go close the door after the others leave.

Lets castrate the OP so he doesn't have children so he can't rape them!!! Super-preventative!

By OPs logic we should just execute anyone who ever goes to prison for anything ever, because there is no hope of recovery.

>>2782176
>>2782059

Yes.
Please see ephebophilia.
I can see that, but actual pedophilia is fucking wrong.

>Castration of pedophiles, mandatory by law.
believe it or not, but you'd end up castrating a third of human population

>>2782242
pedophilia is not wrong, acting on it is wrong.

>>2780843

Since when are fucking MUSLIMS civilized?

OP's point of view is a valid one. The point is not to punish, necessarily, but to remove the main source of the pedophile's urges. Or a rapist's urges, or most violent criminals' urges.

It's common knowledge that the average violent criminal has an above-average testosterone level and below-average intelligence. So it stands to reason that if you can limit or eliminate such a person's testosterone production, their aggressive tendencies can also be limited or eliminated.

If they insist on remaining violent in their preferred way, they aren't likely to be rehabilitated. Their organs should be harvested and used as donor parts for other, more worthwhile people.

>>2782252

No, even thinking it is wrong, you sick fucks.

>>2782187

:3
brb schlicking

>>2782291
What?
that would make it a thought crime.

unfortunately castration falls under cruel and unusual due to wrongful imprisonment. while you may say "well if you jail somebody wrongfully that's just as bad", the alternative is to not have a justice system, which is obviously a laughable prospect. however, since there is not a NECESSITY to castrate pedophiles, it should be treated as cruel and unusual, for if someone was wrongfully castrated they would have absolutely no way to live a normal life, in theory, once released.

>>2782312
Yeah? Well then thats what it is.

Fuck you I'm a pedophile and I need my penis for my daily fap.

Just because I'm attracted to them doesn't mean I go around raping everything that moves. I'm perfectly able to control myself, just like nomal males don't go around raping adult females.

Hey aren't poor people all prone to theft, lets arrest all poor people.

>>2782361

Okay.
I say we lure them with promises of food.

>>2782304

brb? Damnit, you were supposed to stay in the classroom so I could watch.

>>2782331
That's a valid point, if only for the wrongful conviction scenario. Luckily, DNA and polygraph evidence is more reliable than ever. A procedure as serious as castration should be prefaced with positive DNA results, at least.

In the case of wrongful conviction... well, you're right. All I could offer is that our stem cell research is getting better by the week, and eventually we'll be able to re-grow any organ at all. But if castration really became a common punishment today, then no. There would be no biological recourse for the wrongfully convicted.

Lastly, consider the implications of what defines "cruel and unusual." Imprisonment is basically psychological. Castration is biological. A serial rapist, for example, may wish deep down to stop raping. But he cannot control his powerful urges to rape. Why, then, is castration considered unnecessary? It isn't cruel or unusual if it can solve the problem and save lives.

Spoiler : you can have pleasure with a child without penetrating it.

>>2782344
thought crime is unenforceable because of huge number of false positives

So all those sex offenders who get in the system because some girl didn't like them and lied to the police, not only gets his life destroyed but they also cut off his penis. Sweet.

>>2782418
>>2782418
>pleasure a child

Fuck off.
It's about you sick fuckers getting the pleasure, not the child.
Don't try to turn this around.

>>2782508
I love when that happens
http://cfcamerica.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=545

Wasn't Hitler that said that you could make up any bullshit law you wanted and the people would buy it as long as you convince them its for the good of the children?

>>2782549
i saw a lot of cp with child having an orgasm.

and i had my first orgasm when i was 9

>>2780954

Meet my parents before saying that -_-

I disagree. Gays can't help that they're gay, straights can't help that they're straight...I like traps and I can't help it. So it seems to me that anyone attracted to minors is pretty much in the same boat. Someone above me said "willpower>desire" or some shit. You just gotta keep yourself in check. Kinda feel bad for the fuckers, at least the ones who don't rape and hurt children. That's a different story all together...kill them fuckers.

ITT: pedos try to defend their perversion.

>>2782584

You guys all sound like those fatasses who go "oh but its an addiction it ain't mah fault."

No one seriously likes you pedos.
Just gtfo or stop talking about it.

1. Just because you're a pedophile doesn't mean you're an exclusive pedophile.

2. Prepubescent kids, that is one thing, but 12 year olds who are horny as shit exist in too great a quantity to say that it is the older person that manipulated some "innocent little kid" was hurt.

3. Pedophilia is an attraction, it does not mean that person poses a danger to kids. Do regular males people pose a rape risk to every female they encounter, do you feel nervous leaving a male along with a female?

/Troll fed, thread over, but it will inevitably continue

>>2782588

ITT people try and bring logic and sense into discrimination due to sexual preference. Trying to punish people before they've committed a crime.

Moreover, how do you plan to carry out this ridiculous law proposal? "If you have ever found a kid sexually attractive please raise your hand!"

Would you castrate an 18 year old who loved looking at jailbait pics? (14-17 year olds in bikinis)

And how does castration stop them molesting children again?

And for the record, I have never looked at an under 16 and found them sexually appealing. At least not since I was 16 myself.

>>2782402
And what do you purpose to do to female pedophiles?

You can molest a child without a dick, idiots.

Unless someone actually intends to harm children, I don't see why you can't leave their cock alone.

>>2782639

Castration is cutting the balls off, the penis is fine. Although you might not be able to get an erection. I wouldn't know, I've never been castrated myself.

That's not even a legal punishment in England. Capital punishment is barbaric.

Fact: humans are attracted to underage kids by default, since physical maturity happens sooner than psychological maturity, at ages 13-15 (boobs, etc).

Being a criminal or not comes down to how easy can society manipulate your mind and enforce the current imaginary age line (now 18 y.o.).

If we put though crimes into practice like you people seem to want, most of the population would be in jail.

>>2782665

It would be horrific. I could imagine 17 year olds in bikinis walking around with the new mind reading technology, getting people arrested.

You know what this thread reminds me of? Apartheid. Trying to make laws with disrimination at the root. Trying to make logic out of illogical guidelines.

>>2782656
>in England

Your country is not the center of the universe.
I could've expected this out of an American, at least, but not you Britfags. Haha, get the fuck out.

>>2782691

Oh this will be rich. I was simply stating I was from England so people didn't start correcting me when I started talking about laws. Okay, hit me with your best argument pro- violence as a punishment.

>>2781935

Except:

the fruits of her womb are not yet ripe and will not produce anything.

When pedophiles get caught, their lives are ruined forever.

Evolution does not favor the pedo, and neither does societal norms.

>>2782665

YOU ARE ALL SO FUCKED UP
NONE OF YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEDOPHILIA AND EPHEBOPHILIA
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU

"Ephebophilia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the sexual preference of adults for adolescents. For the sexual preference of adults for prepubescent children, see Pedophilia."

>>2782725
I know the difference faggot, I was just pointing out how thought crimes would punish everyone, even ephebophiles.

ITT: idiots who think Orwell is the first name of the popcorn guy

>>2782725

I'm pretty sure that any sex with minor = statutory rape = paedophilia

>>2782824

I'm sure you're pretty fucking retarded and don't know semantics

this is the most retarded thread i have ever read

>>2782376

Teasing someone sexually over the internet isn't cool. ;_;

>>2782620
My my, you sure are getting all wound-up and defensive. Conscience bothering you?

ITT people that will probably be burned because of their sexual ''deviations''...in the middle ages

fuckin idiots

>>2783076
Actually in the middle ages if you were a virgin by 12 it was silly and if you were a virgin by 18 you're considered an old hag.

>>2783136
that was because people lived died younger

>>2783076
in the middle ages, anything other than a sex in a missionary position was a deviation that could get you burned

>>2783264
how barbaric.. to think that sex in the missionary position was the norm back then.. *shudders*

>>2783290

It's still the norm, actually.
It's my favorite, too.

I oppose cruel and unusual punishments which means no castration. Labor camps for prisoners and indoctrination is a better alternative and more utilitarian.

Neuterring would be a humane alternative, it is a simple procedure that many people's pets have had done with an negligible risk of complications due to modern medicine, though I believe this may be detrimental to their performance as a worker since people can be indoctrinated to channel sexual frustration into working harder.

>>2783581
NEWWWWWWWWWWWFAGGGGGGGG
And a sick, degenerate one at that.

>>2783612
how convenient

cheap labor for the capitalists

fuck you nigga

>>2782725
The law recognises no differences between the two, just pedos and their enablers. If you are an adult and still attracted to teenage girls, you are still a sicko and should be killed. Now STFU & FOAD, PEDO!

OP is just an edgy closet fascist/whiny moralfag. The real solution is to decriminalize but heavily regulate the downloading of CP, use the saved resources to fund a UN crackdown on production in former Soviet bloc countries and extra funding for social services relating to child welfare.

oh my god not this shit again. look they can be attracted to normal girls as well. and i doubt any more thana minority act out their desires. and its illegal, immoral and unfair. so fuck you retard

>>2780841
Not true. Pedos can et aroused from normal shex just fine.

>>2783670
Duh. I say fuck criminals, we treat them better in prison than we treat the homeless who have the moral decency not to resort to crime.

>>2783803
i agree with you prisons are too soft. but i dont agree with putting people in camps because of how they are. i remember the least time that happened...

Christians is defined as a psychological disorder in which a person experiences intense ignorance toward all intellectual endeavors. It is know that this ignorance involves backwards actions throughout the civilized world.

I posit that, being unable in any shape or form use their minds in an intellectual manner, all Christians should therefore be lobotomized.

>>2783803
On the outside it looks like we treat prisoners great.

Once you actually know how a prison works it's really worse than being homeless, except you get food.

I'd take living on the street as opposed to living in fear that if you look at someone wrong or talk to the wrong person you're going to get shanked.

Prisons are not candy and rainbows, fagbutt. The guards will conveniently turn their backs while someone is raped and stabbed, etc.

Given the choice between prison and a labor camp, I'd take the labor camp.

>>2782966

Oops, sorry about that. Let me know where you are and I'll come over and do it in person.

Would this include heterosexual women who want to diddle virile teenage boys as well?

Everyone is a closet pedo. Fact.

>>2783906
of course not, women can't be pedo~!

>>2783910
thats an unfact
>>2783928
i know someone who would disagree

>>2783910
True. Now to wait for OP to retract his statement to save his own genitals.

>>2783910
agree

>>2783928
ORLY?

Pedophiles are the new oppressed minority, such as black people and homosexuals in their time, do they killed whites and raped heterosexuals? no. In fact it was the other way around.

Everyone knows porn industry makes billions each year, with or without crisis. Make PTSC legal and support our economy.

>>2784063

Imagine some female pedophile is a 300 pound dyke with a buzz cut and body odor. Imagine she rapes your beautiful little girl by making her eat her gross snatch out.
Can you still not be mad at them out?

inb4 "that's not funny, my brother died that way"

>>2784849
I am so fucking hard right now

>>2784849
I meant "Can you still not be mad at them now?"

>>2783910

Incorrect. Most everyone would fuck a 15 year-old if it were legal and consensual. Pedophilia is a bit different.

>>2781069
I second this profusely.

It is universally agreed apon that pedophilia is a fetish that can only developed as a result of sexual obsession. The cause is not genetic, it is psychological. Disagree? Go public, publish a thesis and expose it to peer review and criticism by the scientific community.

Pedophiles are usually not mentally ill which means most consciously decided to develop the fetish, thus being a pedophile alone is evidence that the individual possesses malicious intent. This can be distinguished from snuff/rape/torture fetishes involving only adults as there are no ethical grey areas, thus such pornography is completely acceptable assuming no murder, rape or torture actually took place for the purpose of entertainment.

Conspiracy to commit any crime is a crime. The basis of law enforcement is prevention, the law does not exist to wait until someone has commited a crime then punish them, it does this as a form of prevention. I argue that being a pedophile is a crime unless the individual was too mentally ill to prevent themselves from developing the fetish (unlikely).

My logic is completely infallible. Anyone who contends with my judgement is either severely mentally disabled and has been manipulated by pedophiles to disagree with me or is a pedophile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3agLYX31rc

On the APA's stupid-ass definition of "pedophilia."

>>2784997
Lurk moar, FGT. You clearly don't know any paedophiles.

>>2784997
Dammit, this is obviously a troll and I'm responding anyway.

Point by point.

>It is universally agreed apon that pedophilia is a fetish that can only developed as a result of sexual obsession. The cause is not genetic, it is psychological. Disagree? Go public, publish a thesis and expose it to peer review and criticism by the scientific community.
Fortunately, you're making the assertion and therefore the burden of proof is on you. Also, "apon"? Seriously?

>Pedophiles are usually not mentally ill which means most consciously decided to develop the fetish, thus being a pedophile alone is evidence that the individual possesses malicious intent.
Willful attraction to children is malicious? Not seeing it.

>Conspiracy to commit any crime is a crime. The basis of law enforcement is prevention, the law does not exist to wait until someone has commited a crime then punish them, it does this as a form of prevention. I argue that being a pedophile is a crime unless the individual was too mentally ill to prevent themselves from developing the fetish (unlikely).
No, see, conspiracy to commit a felony is a crime because it's demonstrated intent to harm, whereas getting off to kids is not in itself intent to harm.

>My logic is completely infallible. Anyone who contends with my judgement is either severely mentally disabled and has been manipulated by pedophiles to disagree with me or is a pedophile.
You probably should have left this out for more effective trolling. At least put it in a separate post.

Thank god I don't live in an implicit police state like most of you fuckers.

When I was a kid, like 8 to 10 years old, I use to have vivid fantasies where I could stop time and move around the world freely and go through people's houses and shit. Almost always in these fantasies I would find a baby and torture, mutilate, then kill it. Sometimes I would eat it. It was a really obsessive fantasy.

When I got older that kind of weirdass thinking went away, thank god, but I still wanna fuck a 15 year old.

>Conspiracy to commit any crime is a crime.

Conspiracy to commit a crime is different from WANTING to commit a crime.

If your favourite type of chocolate became illegal because it was found out to contain some vey dangerous drug (or whatever), while that would not change the fact it was your favourite chocolate, assumign you were a law abiding citizen, you would refrain from possessing and consuming it.

>>2785120
1: Why do I have to provide sources for a well established fact?
http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec07/ch104/ch104c.html
http://allpsych.com/disorders/paraphilias/pedophilia.html
http://www.athealth.com/consumer/disorders/Paraphilias.html
Ok, now go publish your thesis and prove all these haters wrong.

You are clearly deluded. I will brand you a pedophile and leave it at that.

>>2785202
>You are clearly deluded. I will brand you a pedophile and leave it at that.

It's weird, I keep almost taking you seriously, then you post final lines like that.

Seriously, what the fuck is that. Reminds me of the Salem witch trials, where people accused others of being witches, and then anyone who tried to say they weren't a witch was accused of being a witch.

You are clearly deluded. I will brand you a pedophile and leave it at that.

>>2785202
None of these even remotely support
>It is universally agreed apon that pedophilia is a fetish that can only developed as a result of sexual obsession. The cause is not genetic, it is psychological.

The closest any passage comes is "A large percentage of individuals with this disorder were sexually abused as children, although the vast majority of adults who were abused do not develop pedophilia or pedophilic behaviors." - but that's certainly not saying all or even most pedophiles develop that particular fetish as a result of psychological issues.


And you have to provide sources because obviously it's not agreed upon by people here, and therefore just asserting your point isn't enough.

>>2785202

Also, just checked out your first link.

The word "obsession" returned no hits, and the three hits on "develop" were irrelevant to how sexual preferences (or in your very vague word, "fetishes") come about.

Please direct me to the relevant paragraph or even phrase in that first link.

From your lack of response, I must conclude that you are a pedophile and leave it at that.

castration won't stop them from fingering and or eating out children. Its the mental pleasure they get from it, not just physical.

What about pedofags who fap to loli?

Is it a crime to intend to harm a piece of paper with some markings on it in the shape of a child?

>>2785473
In Canada, it is.
Damn Canadians.

I posit that, being unable in any way shape or form to use their minds in a useful manner, all retards should therefore be decapitated.

>>2785473

Well it's grey area at the moment, but if you lived under the dictatorship of the OP, she'd have your balls. I'm assuming OP is a bitch because she doesn't find castration horrific, or fully understand what it entails.

>>2785494
We can't kill retards! They're so stupid that they won't know we're killing them!

>>2785473
yes, it is, in some countries. and yes, it is a retarded law.

of anything, pedofiles should get as much CP as they want as a part of their treatment.

making it illegal to possess won't achieve anything except making jails overcrowded

>>2785537

wtf

legalise CP? Are you kidding?

>>2785578
why not?

i'm not talking about pthc but more artistic and profitable ptsc, not the anon you quoted btw

>>2785596
Well, CP (as in, pictures depicting an underaged girl's genitalia and/or breasts) is illegal and rightfully so. However, what I'm thinking you mean is child modeling when said child models are dressed in very skimpy clothing.

Decriminalize CP. If it doesn't harm someone else, it isn't a problem. Paysites should still be banned because that counts as funding the harm of a child. Production should obviously be illegal for the aforementioned reason. Catch sex predators, not immoral fappers.

>>2785596

I'm not saying this is the case for everyone, but if I hadn't had the ability to look at girls topless on my computer, then fully nude, then having sex,then anal sex, then hentai, then tentacle hentai, I would have never ever have even considered that I would ever find the idea of a tentacle having sex with a girl or a girl with a penis hot.

The "downward sprial" was only possible because of my access to the material. I always was and probably still will be looking for the "next step" further. Lucky for me my kinks are legal, but for a paedophile (for lack of a better word) who is given complete access to look at naked children, I worry that this would only fuel a very unhealthy sexual preference.

While I assure you I agree that the sexual preference itself is innocent and means no harm, it can lead to dangerous places, and the most innocent of people can have their lives ruined.

Of course I have no proof, but I believe that greater access to CP would just make there be more paedophiles, and therefore more child molestors, and I think it would be difficult to argue against that.

FUCK THE KIDS! (no pun intended)

>>2785633
well, they should be legal

child modeling comfortably fits in a legal void, but i was talking about magazines such as lsm or bd company, you know

>>2785706
So you've had sex with a shemale then I assume?

Because that is the link you are making.

>>2785706
>access to CP would just make there be more paedophiles

Pornography has been statistically proven to lower sex crime rates. Why this would not correlate regarding the child demographic, I cannot conceive.

>>2785706
>Of course I have no proof, but I believe that greater access to CP would just make there be more paedophiles

that's a fallacy, i have complete access to GAY porn, but watching it (involuntarily thanks to the faggots that post penises) doesn't make me gay, same with cp, anyone who is not a pedophile won't be turned on by it.

>>2785758

Oh come now. There are many many many studies both demonstrating increased and decreased sex crimes in areas with larger pornography consumption / number of strip clubs etc.

I refuse to allow you to state as a hard fact that porn reduces sex crimes. That has definitely not been proven.

What I meant was, legalising something makes it more popular. I'm sure you'd agree that if cannabis was legalised, many more people would smoke it, and if tobacco was made illegal, a lot less people would smoke it.

In the same way, many more people would watch CP if it was legal, and this would make more people realise they enjoyed it.

I was pretty confident people would accept that. The part where my actual argument came in was when I said "this is a bad thing".

If you disagree that more paedophiles is a bad thing, then that is what we should be debating about.

>>2785820
unfortunately people can watch little girls irl, legalization of cp will only make the admittance of pedophilia more acceptable between some circles

>>2785811

Interesting point, but I'm sure that it has increased the number of people who call themselves bisexual.

I have myself become a bit bicurious purely from finding a few gay clips hot, and tentacle on male action is very hot. While watchign these clips might not change my sexuality, they may cause me to discover it.

>>2785876

you don't believe it would do any of the following?

a) cause more people to watch CP
b) cause there to be more CP
c) affect the number of paedophiles and/or child mosletors?

Everyone should be castrated so they can never commit sexual crimes.

PERFECT LOGIC.

>>2785884
>I'm sure that it has increased the number of people who call themselves bisexual.
>who call themselves bisexual.

that is because they already were sexually attracted to men, the only thing that increased here is the people willing to honestly admit having different sexual preferences

>>2785820

There is no way to prove porn reduces crimes. But the explosion of porn availability over the past two decades has coincided with a massive decrease in the incidence of rape in the United States. It suggests that rapists are staying home and wacking it to porn instead of going out and raping girls.

>>2785820
>What I meant was, legalising something makes it more popular. I'm sure you'd agree that if cannabis was legalised, many more people would smoke it, and if tobacco was made illegal, a lot less people would smoke it.

lol no. Dutch Marijuana Use Half That Of America, Study Reveals
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3925

Fair enough..

You still haven't convinced me that CP should be legalised but I can see where you are coming from. The hate against paedophiles is definitely unhealthy for everyone involved.

It's been a good chat and I've saved the thread as an html file. It's 2am here so I'm heading to bed -.-

>>2785909
>a) cause more people to watch CP

probably, but it'll still be an underground thing

b) cause there to be more CP

only if the demand grows, which has been the case since the internet was created (pedophiles are at the vanguard of the information era)

>c) affect the number of paedophiles and/or child mosletors?
negatively or positively? my predictions are as good as yours

>>2782187

wait but ill be late to gym what are you talking about

i'd guess legalizing CP would do nothing to the number of actual pedophiles, but it will significantly decrease instances of child rape.

>>2786175
i forgot to add... in case of PTHC, legalize only consumption, not production

Extreme irrational view point backed up with pseudo-science and bullshit.

Hook. Line. Sinker.

6/10 I've seen better

>>2786191
l know it sounds crazy, but how about making legal for chiIdren to fuck other chiIdren the same age (they can tape themseIves) and having a third party to commerciaIize the vids

>>2781084
>children aren't meant to have sex, they wont understand it and cannot enjoy it

er, cannot enjoy it? i'm fairly certain it's been proven that even extremely young children are capable of getting aroused.

and as for understanding it... i have very clear memories of being very horny and desiring sex in elementary school (I'm talking ages 5-11ish here). i can still recount some (rather kinky) fantasies i had during that time.

i got worried as i approached pubescence because i wanted to be able to enjoy sex before i had to worry about the possibility of getting pregnant. i masturbated like crazy, and was very sorely put out that the only people who would be willing to have sex with me were creepy pedos who i couldn't trust to give me a good experience.

yeah, i wasn't a typical girl, but my point is that children are not all innocent little angels.

(ps; no, i was never molested as a kid. i had a normal childhood, and when i lost my virginity, it was at the age of 15 to my boyfriend of the same age)

Ephebophilia should be legal, Pedophilia shouldn't be. If they can reproduce they should be legally allowed to.

>>2786541

You are a gigantic moron and I hope you're never allowed near children, ever.

>>2786780
I'm curious, how am I a moron or a danger to children?

I waited until I was in a stable relationship (it lasted for 6 years, from age 14 to age 20) and on birth control before I had sex, and have never had sex outside of a long-term romantic relationship.

I'm not interested in children sexually at all; I've always been into older guys (point in case, I'm almost 21 and my current boyfriend is 27). I just started having my interest in said older men before I started growing tits. So what danger do I pose?

It just bothers me when I hear people say kids can't want sex or understand what it means because I both wanted sex when I was a kid, and understood what it meant enough to take appropriate precautions (such as: not letting a pedo fuck me, getting on BC when I got a boyfriend, waiting until I'd been in a steady relationship for a year until had sex).

>>2786175
I'm sure it would let a lot of people come into the realization that they have such sexual tendencies. People who, before it becoming illegal, gasped and shuddered at the utter notion of it. Sheep.

>>2783750
I'm an adult. I am attracted to a teenager.

My girlfriend is 18. I am 19. I am legally an adult, and she is semantically a teenager. And yet, you would not say there is anything wrong with this.

>>2787604
way to completely misinterpret the point of the whole thread and come across as a complete moron.
>>2787423
just because thats what you recall from your first time gawking over cp on /b/ doesnt mean that everyone is gonna react the same way, dicks-for-brains.
>>2786951
you obviously have no idea what youre talking about and all you manage to successfully do with your post is demonstrate how shitty a troll can you be.

>>2785494
best comment so far.


mreowwwtblox

>On December 19, 2008, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, under presiding Judge Paul V. Niemeyer, ruled that the PROTECT Act of 2003 does apply to cartoons of child pornography, stating that "it is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists". However, this appears to be in defiance of the 2004 Supreme Court ruling on the PROTECT Act. The 4th Circuit may have done this in order to persuade new justices on the Supreme Court to ignore the Supreme Court's prior precedent in regards to the PROTECT Act. Attorneys for the defendant (Dwight Whorley) say that they will appeal to the Supreme Court, asking them to re-iterate their prior verdict on the PROTECT Act. He was sentenced to 20 years in jail for the possession of 20 anime.
minimum sentence 10 years for possession of anything.

Wow, 200 posts.

Good times, huh?

>>2788365
You're really funny, you know that? You read things with legitimate points, and you reply with attacks. "You don't understand what's going on." "You're an idiot." "You're a troll." You don't stop to think about what they're actually saying. You just assume they're wrong.

>>2789139
Oh, shit, did you hear that?
That was the sound of thousands of channers rushing to cull their 4chan folders.

Want to castrate pedophiles? Fine. Just don't try to group me with them simply because I happen to watch and read Japanese publications that depict drawn minors in scantily clad outfits. A drawing can't feel pain or grow up disturbed. In fact, it can't grow up at all.

>>2790424
Sure, it seems wrong to consider drawings of fictional characters as being illegal because of laws designed to protect sexual abuse of children.

OH MY FUCKING GOD THIS THREAD IS STILL GOING; YOU ARE ALL RETARDED.

'pedophile' is a psychological definition, not a legal one, and it does not mean 'having sex with a child'.
having sex with a child makes someone a pedophile, but being a pedophile does not mean they have sex with children. we cant go around cutting off people's balls because you fail at basic logic and psychology.
there is NO crime so severe that it justifies punishing someone pre-emptively.

/thread.

OP here, bumping my own thread. I'm proud of this small accomplishment. 200+ replies, granted, about a polarizing subject. I tried to come off as subtle as is possible for a troll. The fact is that I am very much into loli and cp, however, having seen some of the retorts my own side has produced, my views have slightly tipped over to the moralfag side. All in all, a very interesting experience for me.
Thank you, /r9k/, for entertaining my musings.

>>2787604
Oh please. 18 is considered legal in most countries. We are talking about 25-45+ mouthbreathing neckbeard pedos fapping it to pictures of kids under 17.

All pedos should be shot because it costs too much to therapy their victims.

>>2792713

i once had a image and post max thread.

so you know, fuck you op, this is not a place to grow your e-penis

>>2792713
lol, i once had a +300 posts religious debate thread, i'm deeply sorry

Damn it /r9k/. Investment Banker always trolls you.