Why should the US give a fuck anymore. Let the rest of the world wallow in its own shit.

I want to start a fund to buy some AA weapons for Hamas.

95871-49857349-6569

MAIM KILL BURN MAIM KILL BURN
ENDLESS WAR ENDLESS WAR
BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>2618505
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The same people who opposed Iraq and Afghanistan are now calling for an invasion of Somalia because the UN is quite clearly useless.
Does intervention make things worse, or does the US have an important role in the world? Only history can tell us, but it is too ideological to find truth.

Guise. Any pbs documentary (or just any documentary in general) that covers what is going on in Isreal? I know there is this one documentary about a former president who recently made a documentary about a book he released that was about said issue. Both president and book escape me right now.

>>2618560
Jimmy Carter?

I'm just going to link a blog post, because it seems to hit the core of the whole fucked-up situation:

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/12/the_problem_with_israelpalesti.php

Snippet:
"I've heard all the arguments about who's really to blame about a zillion times. And all I get out of it in the end is that the whole thing makes me sick and sad. I don't see any untainted victims. I see a bunch of people who have been stomped on by history beating up each other in revenge for past wrongs that can't be righted, lashing out whenever they think they can get away with it without losing the foreign funding that allows them to continue the fun. And I don't ever blog about it because one is not allowed to have an opinion on the matter--no matter what I say, I'll be excusing terrorism or, irrelevantly, the holocaust, or shilling for western imperialism."

What are you bitching about OP? Hamas was in the process of digging tunnels into Israel in order to get past the border. Israel found out and blew the tunnels and killed the guys digging them. Sure, it wasn't exactly kosher, but it was clearly merited in this situation.

>>2618539
>Does intervention make things worse
Usually, yes. But military interventions are about power/money and not helping people or whatever.

>does the US have an important role in the world?
It's a fucking superpower, what do you think?

The only solution to the conflict is to kill every single one of them, since they'll only stop killing each other if the other side is completely dead (then they'll find somebody else to kill).

>>2618539
Damned if you do, save trillions of dollars if you don't. No one gave a shit that we didn't do anything about Rwanda. People, mostly Eurofags, will always complain no matter what because they have nothing else better to do.

mutttttttttttttenblock
>>2618589
source on that?

>>2618645

OP refers to it in his post: >On November 4, the ceasefire was shattered by the Israeli Army when it crossed into Gaza to destroy a tunnel and kill six Palestinian militants, calculating (correctly) that the international media would be too focused on America's presidential election to properly cover the attack.

I'm sure you can find one of the articles via google.

Muslims killing civilians = terrorism
Jews killing civilians = collateral damage
amirite?

>>2618721
No, you are not right. The essential difference here is intent - Israeli-inflicted civilian deathsa re mostly unintentional, Palestinian-inflicted civilian deaths are mostly intentional. Everyone can respect a clean guerrilla war - just look at how far Nelson Mandela has come from his Communist revolutionary days(no, seriously). The Palestinians fight dirty, intentionally, and while the Israelis at least try to hold themselves to a higher standard, they don't do that well at it. It's a fucked little war in pretty much every regard.

>>2618483
I think the US should stop taking shit about the rest of the world. They always mess shit up when they meddle with somebody else's affairs.

>>2618748
Palestinians are human beings, not Cobra Commander. But uh, whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>2618852
Who claimed they weren't? It doesn't take being Cobra Commander to want to drive the Jews into the sea, all it takes is living an oppressive life and being told from birth that the Jews are to blame for it. Oh, and that they eat the blood of Palestinian children. They're human, and humans suck sometimes. The individuals involved at the bottom are doing what seems like their best bet to get out from the hellish place that they're in, and I have difficulty faulting them for that. Problem is, they're really fucking wrong in how they choose to do it. Largely because the guys at the top who make billions off the war have invested astounding amounts of time and effort into making sure that they pick those wrong ways, at that.

I don't claim the Israelis are pure as the driven snow, or that the Palestinian cause is a bad one. I just claim that Hamas' tactics are far more barbaric than the IDF's.

>>2618748

Yeah, you're right, Palestine should stick to using their American-supplied weaponry. Oh, wait a moment..

It's easy to take the moral high ground if you're much better armed than your enemy. It's also unreasonable to tell your enemy to fight fair when you have the upper hand. I'd like to see how you'd fight if you were put in Palestine's situation, you raging hypocritical faggot.

>>2618748

It's rubbish to say that Israel unintentially hits civilians. Gaza's almost the most densely populated place in the world: the IDF and everyone else knows that enormous civilian casualties is practially guaranteed, but when they proceed anyway it's somehow still completely Hamas's fault.

And besides, Israel IS formally targetting civilian areas, despite what cowardly rags like the NY Times would have people believe. They've taken out a lot of the police stations.

>>2619265
I wouldn't fight. I mean jesus, have you been watching what the Israeli army has done to every force that's opposed it since Israel was reconstituted?

Use your brains and learn from other people's mistakes. Christ.

Israel would never have been founded if 700000 palestinians were not expelled from the territory that it now occupies
>>2619361
Hezbollah actually defeated them.
Twice. And they are kind of right for not liking Israel.

>>2619361

lorl wort

>>2619315
And the Palestinians always refrain from launching rockets into civilian populations.

I really don't give a fuck what either side of this stupid endless conflict does.

I think America should stop funding Israel because they are a worthless ally thats just a drain on our economy.

Let those stupid fuckers sort it out themselves, give both sides complete media black-out for 2 years and then see which side wins. Then we can stop fucking hearing about their stupid fucking holy-war Kike Vs Sandnigger bullshit for good.

>Though hungry and cold
"it's not a humanitarian crisis. People aren't starving... children are not suffering from malnutrition."
-Khaled Abdel Shaafi, director the United Nations Development Program

Sensationalism.

>>2619315
>Israel IS formally targetting civilian areas,
Because Hamas is stationed there to guarantee civilian casualties so the Western world still thinks of them as romantic freedom fighters.

>>2619265
You seem to forget that only sixty years ago the roles were reversed brosef. No one bitched about the ALA.

>>2619578
How do we know that quote isn't completely taken out of context.

Lack of medical supplies, lack of food, restricted movement, destroyed infrastructure, constant threat of being killed by Israeli fire. This isn't a humanitarian crisis?

>>2618505
Ehm, actually the US is supporting Israel, though not obvious!
Get a clue.

Also, this war won't be solved. Anger and other feelings are always there, so it won't stop until one side will completely eradicate the other.
Fact.

Diplomacy won't work, get it into your unrealistic heads.

If a state is intelligent, it would sell weaponry etc.to make some money.

>>2618748

lol what? i'm pro-israel but the palestinians are not going out of their way to target civilians, they just have no fucking control over that. they're using shitty qassam rockets, and when they fire them they accept that it'll either hit civvies or soldiers. either or. making them out to be some kind of superforce that is maliciously targeting civilians is so retarded. they're poor as fuck, dude.

>>2618899
But the Jews ARE the blame for it.

Well, the Jews and the British. But the Jews are closer, so...

>>2620935
The British will aid in the inevitable peace process though. They have experience with this sort of situation because of Northern Ireland.

The countries of NATO are supporting or atleast agreeing with Israel.

Enough said. This is justification enough for Israel to act as they please.

I would do the same.

In before some pretentious moralfags, that are blinded by their own illusions.

PROTIP: Neither side is in the right.

>>2619929
Are you seriously claiming the Hamas terrorists have no control over where their rockets end up?

How many end up falling on Palestinians? I'm going to bet zero.

gaza/israel = sage

>>2621093

Actually, one fell short last week and killed two teenage Gazan girls.

It's ok, they're martyrs now. It's not murder when Hamas does it.

>>2621169
Ugh, fucking idiots.

I feel really bad for non-terrorists living under Hamas.
But this just makes me want to kill Hamas harder.

If they can't even refrain from killing their OWN FUCKING PEOPLE, they need to die. All of them.

THERE IS NO "PAL" IN ISRAEL
BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHERE THERE IS ONE
PRINCIPAL

10 quid says Israel wins before the summer of 2010.

>>2618483
yeah, I'm sure it was their idiocy and not at all intentional

lern2weltpolitik

hamas being utter retarded faggots doesn't make israel's unnecessary wanton killing justified, and hamas would nowhere near be such a force if US hadn't said "HURR DURR DEMOKRATIK ELEKSHUNS WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING" - guess what, they elected fucking hamas, in a fair and square election.

Hamas is there to give Israel a nice casus belli they can show the world - they're doing nothing different, nothing less, nothing more.

BULLSHIT!
for the past 8 years the Hamas fired rockets at israeli cities. for a while there had been a ceasefire, and through that ceasefire they fired considerably less rockets. but THEY ended the ceasefire, from the beginning it was only temporary.

since it ended they started firing 30 or more rockets a day at israeli cities. that was unacceptable.

what would you have israel do? sit there and take it? NO! they launched an attack. that's all there is to this war, and the only reason for it is to stop the rockets.

people in israel have been living in shelters for years, children don't learn how to speak because of trauma, and you say the attack is unjustified? who the fuck do you think you are!?

>>2621398

Shame on you! How dare you claim Israel has the right to defend it's citizens!!! You're clearly a Zionist American tool.

>>2621398
how many people did shitty basement-made hamas missles "aimed at civilians" kill throughout those years (which, by the way, is wrong, hamas wasn't the one firing rockets during the ceasefire, they actively imprisoned members of other groups which did attack), and how many civilians did israelis kill the last few days in the attack "aimed at hamas"?

>>2621398
Yeah, while palestinian kids don't learn how to speak because they're fucking dead from the carpet bombing. Poor Israelis, those evil Palestinians are disturbing them out of sheer faggotry in their luxury condos in the massive land known as the Gaza strip.

10/10

>>2621410

So Israel's at fault because they spent billions of dollars building bomb shelters for it's citizens, while Hamas spent billions of dollars buying weapons instead of biulding infrastructure?

>>2621410
>>2621416
>>2621398
Listen, when you're playing risk and you attack someone smaller than you, is it wrong? Should gaza gain immunity from all conquest?

>>2621410
dozens of israeli people were killed. as for how many were killed during the attack, well that's war for you. nothing can be done about casualties, though the israeli air force kept it at a minimum with precision hits.

and don't say things you're not sure about, they actively state that they want their people to keep firing at israel, and took pride in their abilities to hurt israel with their rockets.

if you don't believe that then explain how they already have a network of silos, rockets, launchers, hiding places, ammunition and whatnot, if they didn't use it until now? stuff like that takes years to accumulate.

>>2621422
Fucking this. And the fact that Gaza is a pussy country who thought it was immune to israel. It's not

>>2621398
"Those bastards! They take our money, they take our homes, they destroy the entire country! What, you think I'm just going to stand by and let this injustice go on? No, this must be addressed if we wish for this country to remain solvent!"

And that's how I accidentally Kristallnacht.

>>2621416
the fuck are you talking about "carpet bombing"!? israel didn't do anything for months, no attacks, no land forces, nothing. it's Hamas's fault for not stopping the rockets when israel warned them there would be retaliation.

and even before those months, they did not just attack citizens blindly. they didn't have a full out attack since the war in 2006. and when they do attack, they only go after people who are responsible for terrorist attacks resulting in deaths.

>>2621422
>>2621453
THEY HAD AN INFRASTRUCTURE IN ISRAEL. BECAUSE THEY ORIGINALLY LIVED IN ISRAEL. THEY ORIGINALLY LIVED IN ISRAEL. DO YOU NOT HEAR WHAT I AM SAYING? THE ISRAELIS FORCED THEM OUT. THEY FUCKING MADE THEM LEAVE THEIR HOMES.

I challenge any of you to name a single nation that WOULDN'T level the entire city of Gaza after a single rocket launch. Except Israel that is.

>>2621502
Canada
snicker

>>2621489
if i recall correctly, it was the arabs that started that war. with a surprise attack. with 3 armies. then lost.

they really can't complain about losing territory when it's their fault.

>>2621489
LOL hardly any. You obviously know nothing about the history of the land. Palestinians have been making 0 progress since even before 1948. All those roads, pipes reservoirs etc. were built later by Israelis.

>>2621511
>>2621513
lold.

this thread is better then i expected

>>2621513
Balfour Declaration of 1917 of would like a word with you

>>2621534
no, some were built by the turks or the british

>>2621534
it's not difficult to build infrastructure when you're getting $120 billion in direct aid every year.

>>2621549
you obviously have never been to israel

>>2621544
the fuck does that have to do with anything? that was a formal statement by the british, but who cares about them. it was in 1917, you're not seriously saying it still has effect after the mandate was over, are you?

it was almost a hundred years ago, ancient history. get on with the times already

>>greentext lol

>>2621574
I'm sorry, but you simply must be a troll. I just... I think I'm having an aneurysm here.

>>2621562
doesn't change the fact that it wasn't made by the palestines

>>2621562
Much of that infrastructure was built/being built even before American aid.

Furthermore, this makes you wonder why Hamas hasn't built any infrastructure with all their financial aid.

>>2621613
>financial aid
MORE LIKE FINANCIAL AIDS!

AMIRITE!?

>>2621613

Because Hamas needed all the foreign aid money to buy weapons for the glorious liberation struggle against the Zionist oppressor.
Have you no sense of priorities??

Actually quite easy this one:

1. the war will go on until one side will completely dominate the other

or

2. the war will end if they completely nuke one of the countries away

3. diplomacy is shitty idealistic thinking and out of political correctness or or/and out of delusional selfrightous values.
anyone with brain can forsee that diplomacy won't save and solve anything

4.smart ones can make profit out of this situation

5.people keep suffering there, from time to time media reports and

6.people keep bawwwwing about the situation and try to find a culprit though the netting of this is much too complicated to think in black and white

oh well, for the instable situation in the mid-east you can def. partly blame our Bigbrother, the mighty Peacemaker, America

7. the stupidity of the humanity continues for a next chapter

/end

The conflict will continue until Israeli's grow a pair and cleanse the land of the filthy arab squatters. God gave the land to the jews, it's in the bible.

tr0lls trolling tr0lls.

>>2619265
Yeah, because the Soviets didn't spend 40+ years giving them stuff.

>>2619929
Rockets are terror weapons aimed at a civilian populace, just like the V-2 was in 1945. And suicide bombing a pizza parlor is hardly the sort of thing done to target soldiers.

>>2621410
Who cares? No country can sit still while explosives are being lobbed at its population centres twice an hour. And if you're saying that they should deal with it, what would your reaction be if it happened once in your neighbourhood?

>>2621416
If the Israelis were "carpet bombing", the dead would be in the hundreds of thousands, not the hundreds. You seriously underestimate the destructive potential of a modern military acting unopposed.

>>2621511
You seriously underestimate Canada. Yeah, we've been quiet for a long time, but we'd beat the living fuck out of anyone who tried that. Look up the FLQ crisis of October 1970 - two kidnappings by a domestic terror group, and we dropped the War Measures Act and half the army on one of our own provinces to clean it up. Seriously, have you ever seen a provincial legislature being escorted out of town by a tank convoy? And that was when we were run by the biggest candy-ass this side of Jimmy Carter.

>>2621967
Yeah, like the soviets still does exist these days.

American retards.

Hey, do we have FREET-TIBET-FAGS here?