I don't wear makeup or pay much attention to what I wear. I don't dress like a slob; I wear anything cheap and comfortable, like an old boyfriend's hoodie, t-shirts, black dress pants from Wal-Mart, running shoes, sports bras, basic white panties, etc. Makeup makes me feel itchy and dirty, like the stuff is crusting inside my pores, and I spend so much time between school and the gym that primping is completely impractical. My hair would be fried from all the blow-drying if I'd bother.What would the average 20 year old male think of this? 30? Assuming you started seeing a girl like me on the basis that you loved me personality, once the novelty wears off, do you think you'd feel ashamed to be with such an unconventional female?
>arcanines>loving a woman for their personalityYou're on the wrong board sweetheart. I don't mind the natural look myself though. I'd be a little put-off by the sporty wear but that's because I'm basically a bookworm type.
you're going to get a lot of praise because this is what robots think they wantin reality, most guys are more superficial than they think, especially the unkissed virgins in this miserable place. people who actually know what having a relationship is like would tell you that dealing with such a girl would be hard, because odds are if you avoid such social norms as being an effeminate floormate who likes buff guys and has no personality, you would be hard to handle because you are an actual personI'm 23 and to me, a girl who doesn't wear makeup or give a shit about fashion but stay in shape and hygienic says "I actually care about important things and think about more than getting married, having fun, and dying in 50 years"it's pretty common sense: if you aren't really pretty, your personality better be so good and entertaining that a guy would rather hang out with you than have a vapid 10/10 supermodel suck his dick and take it in the ass
Im 20 years old and I think thats great, more girls should be like you anon.You shoudl post some pictures though :P.
all but the clothing is acceptable as long as you're not acne ridden.You got to dress decently when you're out. At home it doesn't matter.
>>2563098Not a lesbian, but I think thats awesome. I wish myself and more females could be more consumed with things that actually better their lifes than attempting to look appealing. There is no hope for me because I'm so damn ugly, but what the other person said, a lot of guys would love to have someone like you.
post a picture. bloxbecausethisobviouslywasnt original
Well-adjusted 30 year old male here I wouldn't be ashamed, as I really don't like namby pamby "lay-dee's" Also, you picked the absolute worst board to ask this question on
Post a goddamn picture. If you're naturally okay-looking, you should have no trouble ensnaring a man and gaining access to his wallet.
>>2563098I actually like that kind of look. Simplistic and practical.
No makeup and all done up hair is fine but your clothing choices are horrible. Hoodies make everyone look terrible, you shouldn't be proud of wearing Wal-Mart clothing, Sports bras should be worn when a the gym or doing sports and never anywhere else and lots of women wear basic white panties. Its not that special. I don't know what primping is but if its putting on some decent clothing then you should start primping.
>>2563314I think you missed the point. She doesn't care.
Makeup is really bizarre if you think about it. A man that was scared to go outside without wearing makeup would be thought of as mentally ill. Why is it ok for women though? The truth is it isn't ok. It's just that society has normalised many sick and bizarre behaviours. For example, in America it is acceptable to cut off infant foreskins without consent.
>>2563334She asked for an opinion about so she has to care ot some degree.
OP I don't see anything remarkable about your situation. I know a shit tonne of girls who do the no makeup/basic clothing thing because they can't be bothered to put the effort into anything else.You seem to be taking pride in the fact you don't make any effort.There is nothing wrong with taking a little pride in your appearance, even if it's just enough so you stop wearing hoodies.All the girls I've ever known who have a superiority complex about putting no effort into their appearance tend to be the same ones who make a point to say how different they are to other girls and how much better they are and give off nauseatingly special snowflakey vibes.And I'm not saying it's better to put effort in just because you're female - I think both sexes ought to put effort into their appearance. I've never understood people who are proud of looking slobbish.
>>2563344Women have shitty skin compared to men. Not that make up is really a solution since it destroys their skin further.
>>2563344I concure. Most modern social norms of many first world nations (at least in fashion) are impractical, costly, and usually flat out stupid.
What the?What?Do women really think we - at least most of us - actually care what you wear? Or what we wear? Or if the wallpaper is falling off?Some simple folk will be startled by your lack of giving a fuck and assume it's a symptome of you being messed up, because not fitting the mould is scary for them, but otherwise? NO.
I'm 22 and as long as you have good hygiene and take care of your body, I find this sort of thing refreshing. I wish it was more common. Subtle eye shadow is okay and sometimes helpful, but I think for an attractive girl anything else does more harm than good. Plus, I really hate it when a girl's face rubs off on me or my clothes. That's really, really annoying. I'd strongly prefer a girlfriend who wore no makeup to one who wore too much, which most girls do.
We're a lot alike, OP, except I do my hair and I have a (admittedly ridiculous) compulsion to match my underwear.I hate expensive clothing and make-up. When I date women, I don't really care what they look like, however I do get annoyed when they spend an abundance of time on their appearance. by the time they finish, they're not real anymore, you know?And most guys have to get to know me as a friend before we date, but I've dated plenty of guys despite my looks.
>>2563364Therefore men should wear makeup, following your logic?>>2563375They do have thinner skin but does that mean it is shitty or looks worse? Women's poor diets (protein deficient, faux-vegetarian, high sugar) are a more likely cause of poor skin.
Sounds like a lot of girls I know from back in school. Almost all of them were in committed relationships.
>>2563412>Therefore men should wear makeup, following your logic?Nothing at all I said implied that.I said making effort is a good thing, even a little effort not everyone wearing make up is a good thing. So just having a flattering haircut or not wal-mart tshirts is enough.Hell, if a girl takes good care of her skin she wouldn't have to wear make up to be making an effort. It could just be as simple as not wearing hoodies and wearing something flattering.But taking what appears to be pride in the fact everything is no-effort and slobbish seems a weird thing to me. To me it's like the people who make no effort at school/college and brag about failing. I've never understood them either.
>>2563345She asked if you'd be ashamed to date a girl with her lack of fashion sense. I don't think she cares if someone disapproves of the way she looks.
i personally find girls in hoodies attractive tbh
>>2563433If you can't extrapolate an answer to what she asked from what he said, you should probably kill yourself.
>>2563431But I'm not failing. I've always been a really confident person and my personality is naturally flirtatious. I attract guys and make news friends all the time. The one who have been jealous or put off by my laid back nature have always been very insecure, especially the types that can't leave home without makeup or who have weight to lose.
>>2563364>I've never understood people who are proud of looking slobbish.There's a difference between not caring about looks and taking pride in looking like a slob. OP doesn't seem proud as much as she seems to be indifferent. As long as she's hygenic, I don't care.
I don't understand why men are so hateful towards makeup for. Putting on makeup is what being feminine is all about, and isn't that what you idiots want? Feminine women?
>>2563345Don't do that lol. Don't assume that I must care because everyone else cares. Don't project your own hang-ups with these silly concepts.
>>2563485some eyeliner, herelip gloss, therefineso much make up that you look like different creature with it off?not okay
>>2563484She's making a thread dedicated to her description of her no-effort routine as >an unconventional femaleIf she truly didn't care she wouldn't even bother. She'd just get on with her life and not worry whether it attracted guys or not.To make a thread like this she is either worried that she needs to start putting effort into her appearance, in which case fair enough and that doesn't apply to her.OR she's proud of being what she considers unconventional and is attempting to get attention/positive reinforcement from a thread like this.
>>2563460>If you can't extrapolate an answer to what she asked from what he said, you should probably kill yourself.Well aren't you just a nice, pleasant person. Someone disagrees with you and you make death threats. Stay classy.
>>2563485Think about the nature of this activity, anon. Really think about.A woman strips her face with detergents while showering and then paints liquids onto her face so as to not look quite so ugly. And don't give me this shit about "highlighting good features." For example, that eyeliner is not making your green eyes "pop"; they're making your small, boring eyes stand out. And you, for some silly reason, give a shit about your small eyes. And your giving a shit means, for some silly reason, that you love yourself more than I love myself.What in the fuck lolol.
I think you should give your ex his hoodie back, you slut.Anyway, my girlfriend literally never wears makeup, never got her ears pierced... I find it a little weird sometimes, but she looks good and has great skin so she doesn't really need any. I find it kind of sad there are so many women out there who won't leave the house without taking half an hour to put on their makeup. I mean, I get it for special occasions or just going out, but every day? Just for going to college or work? They must either be really ugly, have low self-esteem, or just be attention whores who must be 100% pretty all the time.
>>2563528It was a question into human nature, which is why I differentiated between two different groups of men. Have you never pondered anything hypothetically?
>implying OP's really a girl>implying OP didn't know this thread would turn into a heated argument
>>2563551> I think you should give your ex his hoodie back, you slut.He's my ex because he was cheating on me for the last two months of our relationship.Slut.
>>2563431I was asking because why is it only women who have to make an effort with makeup?
>>2563570I wonder if anyone has an answer for this question. Why do guys doubt there being female posters on 4chan? Do you assume that "feminine" females pay no attention to grammar and syntax? Do "feminine" women not know about words like 'syntax'?
>>2563559If you were merely pondering hypothetically then why go into the intense personal detail?It would have been far more simple to pose the question of what would males think of women who don't wear make up and wear basic clothing rather than "I do x y and z what do people think about this?"
>>2563574That still doesn't give you the right to steal his stuff.
>>2563577Because men have to make an effort with everything else. Give us a fucking break for once,
>>2563597Because I'm a fucking narcissist. I love talking about myself. Anything else?>>2563608Children ought to be disciplined appropriately.
>>2563587>Why do guys doubt there being female posters on 4chan?Because there tends to be a lot of misogynists/people pretending to be misogynists for the lelz on 4chan. >Do you assume that "feminine" females pay no attention to grammar and syntax?Implying>Do "feminine" women not know about words like 'syntax'?Implying
>>2563587>Do you assume that "feminine" females pay no attention to grammar and syntax? Do "feminine" women not know about words like 'syntax'?....no? Where did you get that idea from.They don't doubt the existence of female posters. They doubt the claimed gender of posters threads like this that spark debates and anger because claiming to be female in threads on /r9k/ like this is often a way to get a reaction and cheap entertainment.
>>2563642>Because I'm a fucking narcissist.Well you've confirmed my suspicions. Thanks.
>like an old boyfriend's hoodieum lol.first of all owning that shit is fucking creepy (and insulting if you're dating someone else) as hell. second are you too cheap to buy your own goddamn clothesfucking femanons, such total dregs i swear
>>2563633This common mindset is very telling of men. I've always suspected that while they have a strong urge to spread seed, they're not really attracted to women. And I think it's because all female animals are dull compared to their male counterparts (ie. the peacock, the lion, etc.) Human ingenuity inevitably led to things like makeup, high heels, push-up bras, etc.
>>2563577It's a woman's "job" to attract males to impregnate her. This includes fixing her fucked up face so she can stand a chance of procreating. The process is natural. Some animals 'primp' to find mates too.The man's "job" is to fill as many wombs as possible.
>>2563669You put too much thought into unimportant things. I wear it because it's free. How is that so hard to understand that you'd make the broad assumption that I wear it out of sentiment? And why do you think that I'd date anyone so insecure as to be bothered by this?I'm very curious about something ... are you very young? Under the age of 21?
>>2563642>Children ought to be disciplined appropriately.Rebuttal of the day.
>>2563674I get tons of dick sans primping. Don't you think you ought to be reconsidering your theory?
>>2563536He didn't disagree with you man, he called you a fucking idiot.
ever since I grew out of the middle school "eyeliner fucking everywhere" phase I generally only mascara and fuck the rest. concealer/foundation does feel disgusting. people still try to talk to me even though I look like a mess because I guess that's just how it is. if people do or don't like you for any reason OTHER than your personality, that sounds like people not worth talking to. I know appearance does matter but I don't love or hate people based on that. it's just one irrelevant fact about them, I guess.just do you, OP
It wouldnt care too much. Personality is pretty much 60% of the deal, as long as you take baths regulary, and care for your body, i guess. Just my opinion.
>>2563718don't worry, her personality seems pretty shitty too with the responses in the thread
>>2563682okay yeah you're def a nutballanyone with half a working brain would assume you have unresolved feelings for someone upon learning that you're still wearing their goddamn clothes. that's fucking weird and it's not what normal people do, mementos sure, clothes = hey woah nowforgot just about everyone on this board has autism and doesn't understand how the real world sees them though
OP, I try not to wear makeup either because don't like the way I look in it. It feels very false and fake to me, even the naturally looking makeup. I hate it when people assume that I don't care about how I look. I care about how I look (which is why I am super hygienic), I just prefer to be myself rather than conform to a standard of beauty that really creeps me out. That doesn't mean I'm a slob, that's just me trying to be as real as possible so that when a guy sees me the morning after without makeup on, he gets exactly what he expected.
Natural look is absolutely fine. Personally, I don't care for makeup, and not having yourself laid out for every guy to leer at is a plus.
>>2563693It's not a theory. If you can attract males without primping good for you, I don't care. But when most females feel they can't, they have stuff to fall back on. Maybe it's your cum encrusted face that charms men.
I wouldn't mind, i'd kinda prefer it
>>2563735Stop thinking in hivemind and maybe things like this will start to make more sense. I wear it because it's a free hoodie he bought at American Eagle with a $50+ value. I can just pretend I'd spend $50 on something so stupid without actually doing it, you know?
you're my ideal woman OP
>>2563747Even so, she'll have to "take her face off" at the end of the day. Do you have any suggestions on how to maneuver around this obstacle? Do you make sure to dim the lights before she enters the room?
>>2563771wearing a man's clothes long after you've stopped dating him is weird and sketchy at best, sorry lady
>>2563794>implying most women ever wash their faces
>>2563790Have you read her responses?Because you have shit taste if she is your ideal woman.
Think about how pathetic and "beta" it is to disguise your face with makeup, wear padded bras, get breast implants, etc. The male equivalent would be wearing a mask and a padded muscle suit. Ridiculous. I feel a great deal of pity for these desperate, fake women. It must be very embarrassing and humiliating for non-retarded women to be forced into this behaviour by endless peer and media pressure.
>>2563821> The male equivalent would be wearing a mask and a padded muscle suit.qftw
>>2563821You're saying that as if every woman wears a padded bra and has implants.I'll let you in on a secret - most women who do those things do so because they want to, not because they feel forced by the media to do so. Women who don't want to wear make up or enhance their boobs don't. It's as simple as that.
>>2563859>not because they feel forced to do so.This nigga.
>>2563794I said you needed your womb filled. He doesn't need to be around to watch you wipe your face off.
>>2563883no one even remotely forces women to do that shit you weak-willed pussy, stop making excuses. you could vaguely make a case for cosmetics advertisers but if that's how it is then me and every other man should be hauling five metric tons of deodorant, cell phones, nasal sprays, christmas dinners and buckets of fried chicken everywhereyeah i'm mad this is one of my few bug bears, i fucking hate when women try to play that whole "society forces me to be sexy ;___;" card. either admit you do it because you want the extra attention or shut the fuck up
>>2563941>either admit you do it because you want the extra attention or shut the fuck upWhile we both wish that would happen, we both know it never will. What a world we're in.
>>2563859No, I don't think all women do it. As I said, intelligent women (actually intelligent, not just arrogant or naive) are probably embarrassed by their retarded sisters. But I do think most women that do are desperately unhappy about their appearance. I suppose you could say they "want" to do it just like drug addicts "want" to take drugs primarily because they like their effects.
>>2563941As a woman, holy fuck you're making me mad.Fuck you. The second I stopped wearing makeup, people (even people that I had just begun to establish relationships with) began commenting on my lack of makeup. I've heard it at least once per week all year. Probably by retards like you.It's easy for you to say that we aren't forced because you only get to see girls that are wearing full faces of makeup (even if it looks "natural"). It's the norm. You don't ever encounter women that don't wear makeup because that's seen as unconventional or weird. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.And by the way, I don't think makeup is sexy. There is nothing sexy about going to bed pretty but waking up an ogre.
>>2563821There's a huge difference between drowning your face in make up and wearing a bit around the eyes . Most women do the latter, and, though they may think differently, they still look fine with out it on. Wearing make up is, compared to cosmetic surgery at any rate, inexpensive and honestly not much of a bother if you're not retarded, so for me it is well worth the five minutes I spend putting it on each morning. I think you, and many others, fail to understand that wearing makeup isn't some hugely impractical thing. For 5 minutes in the morning and 5 before bed, I get to have intense-looking eyes for the day. For me it's the same as doing your hair nicely and dressing well; exchanging time and effort for beauty.
>>2563969>But I do think most women that do are desperately unhappy about their appearanceSpeaking as a female who wears make up out of wanting to, I'm actually fairly comfortable in my appearance.I let my boyfriend see me without make up regularly and I have no problems with my make-up-less appearance, but when I go out I usually put some on just because I enjoy being able to highlight certain features or add a bit of interest (eg lipstick matching an outfit)I could easily leave the house with a bare face, but I wouldn't find putting an outfit together as fun if I couldn't put a bit of make up with it. Most of my female friends are the same way. It's an enjoyable extra rather than a necessity.
>>2563993;________; people said mean things about me;____________; why does society force me to shove my titties up out of my blouse wahhhgrow a spine loser
>>2563993I'm female too and none of my friends ever say shit about my makeup or lack thereof. (to be honest, my best friend actually complains when he notices I'm wearing any cause he says it's creepy)I think the best kind of people are the ones who just wouldn't think to talk about something so irrelevant and and pointless as what someone else thinks of your eyes. if it makes you happy, then do whatever you like. but just be confident in your choice.
let's count the amount of men in this thread who said they gave even the remotest fuck about a girl wearing makeup or not:zeroamount of girls still butt-annihilated over being "forced" to wear it:9,000conclusion: the only pressure to wear makeup comes from other girls who want an advantage over you, dumbshits
>>2563993If all they ever saw of you was a dramatically different person, of course they're going to notice. You're a big girl; your insecurities are not their problem.
>>2563993>And by the way, I don't think makeup is sexy. There is nothing sexy about going to bed pretty but waking up an ogre.Wtf? Please tell me you don't wear make up to bed. That's what caused the comments if you're not exaggerating - you're fucking up your skin by doing that.If you remove your make up fully before you go to bed then you wake up looking hardly any different in the face.
>>2564059ugh, my grandmother's like that. She always looks me up and down when we pick her up on the weekends, commenting on my lack of pink or whatever. I really CANNOT rationalize why anyone would give such a shit about something so useless.
>>2564031You're arguing against the fact that in our society, it is expected that a woman wears makeup. I don't know how you can possibly argue against this fact unless you're retarded.A woman not wearing makeup is equivalent to a man wearing makeup, really.I'm not "butt-annihilated" over being "forced" to wear it. Society has never made me feel "forced". I'm just simply stating that it's another norm. Whether or not I choose to ignore is up to me, not you. You're trying to prove something completely false. Also, men that spend time on 4chan are not a good representation of men out in the real world who are used to seeing real women...>>2564079Can this sentence be any more buttfuck retarded? Most people just point it out because it's something they noticed. I'm sure if I cut off all my hair, I'd get comments too.
>>2564087OP again. What's worse is when I see girls come to the gym without having removed their makeup. I've also seen it happen when I worked at a tanning salon in high school. One idiot is melting in face paint and the other's baking the shit into her pores.
>>2564063>>2564031They may be phrased indelicately, but these posts are true.Women oppress other women. Women mainly receive negative comments about appearance from other women.At some point you have to stand up for yourself and tell these bitches to eat shit. Would a man put up with that kind of rubbish? If you have friends that aren't crazily obsessed by makeup and don't undermine you at every opportunity then you should count your blessings.
My girlfriend doesn't wear makeup and I don't care.I will say though it's quite a nice feeling to go out with a girl and see her wearing makeup and know that she essentially did it for your sake. Shit's good for your self esteem.
>>2564091women are like that. my friend never notices what i look like except to say "are you wearing makeup? stop, it's weird". my mom, on the other hand, is always all about it. "you look tired. have you tried this new mascara? did you cut your hair? that shirt oh my god!" it's the most meaningless conversation
>>2564120>Social norms MUST be followed!!>Your opinion doesn't count because you're on 4chan!!>calls something else retarded4/10.
>>2563969Since you are neither a woman nor intelligent I doubt you are qualified to make that statement.Honestly I believe that there is a kind of common sense to wearing make-up. Make-up makes you look better. That is the reason for its existence and, if you are not an inept teenager, it achieves this. If you wear light make-up you look, as a younger person, more mature and, as an older person, younger and fresher. If you know how to put it on correctly and know what looks good on you, make-up will positively enhance your appearance.Looking better is not necessarily for attention. People who look beautiful and mature are more likely to be taken seriously, more likely to be hired, more likely to be treated with politeness. While you can achieve all these things by proving your own worth through your actions, there is no reason to make it harder for yourself when putting on makeup is so simple.
>>2564063>let's count the amount of men in this thread who said they gave even the remotest fuck about a girl wearing makeup or not>in this thread>on /r9k/lol. Normalfag reporting in and giving /r9k/ the actual opinion of most of the male population (at least, the part that matters). Makeup makes girls look more attractive. There's an unspoken obligation for chicks to wear makeup if they want to be attractive.If a woman is just naturally gorgeous, then no she doesn't have as much of a pressure to wear makeup, she's already hot as fuck.If a woman isn't naturally gorgeous and doesn't wear makeup, that's chill. Just don't expect as much attention for your looks. You may be treated as a bro.
well what do you look like pictures please ?
I find girls like you extremely attractive OP. Femininity just irritates me.
>>2564120>Society has never made me feel "forced">I'm just simply stating that it's another normare you for real>Also, men that spend time on 4chan are not a good representation of men out in the real world who are used to seeing real women...YOU ARE ON 4CHAN RIGHT NOW
>>2564153I think your post proves my point. You are a weak willed conformist. What are you going to do when you get older? Get a face lift? Pathetic.
>>2564162>lol. Normalfag reporting inyou're not a "normalfag" dumbass
>>2564142You are, by far, the worst tripfag in the history of 4chan. I can name at least a dozen tripfags with better reading comprehension skills than you. Holy fuck you are retarded why do you have a tirpWhere did I state that social norms must be followed? I stated the opposite actually. I stated that there ARE social norms in place. Obviously there are. Only a retard would argue against that. I can even provide a quotation:>Whether or not I choose to ignore (them) is up to meYour opinion doesn't count because once you step outside, Eeyore, you would know that the world is filled with men like pic related. You are retarded. Deal with it.
>>2564191Society has never made me feel "forced" in anything. I don't care about following norms. The fact that they exist is indisputable though and you're very retarded to even try and dispute the fact.Yeah. I am on 4chan right now. I'd also like to say that I am not a good representation of the women out there in the real world either.I think it feels like summer.
>>2564120>I'll let you in on a secret - most women who do those things do so because they want to, not because they feel forced by the media to do so.>Society has never made me feel "forced".So which is it?
>>2564231>I think it feels like summerCan't we leave the memes to other boards? Come on, it makes you look really stupid.
>>2564243Those aren't the same anons..
if a woman just up and decided to completely stop wearing any makeup whatsoever, she'd get a few comments from people she knew along the lines of "oh, are you wearing makeup"? and by the next day absolutely no one will give a shityou are not that important and people really do not care
>>2564214>You're the worst tripfag because you disagree with meI don't know where to buy a tirp. Can you tell me? Your implications said that social norms must be followed, and your comment about ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS DON'T MATTER is immature. Cool picture and cool ad hom. Really shows me how adult you can act.
>>2564243...both of those statements mean the exact same thing
>>2564243those statements don't contradict each other. that poster just doesn't think there's media/society "force"I think that probably depends on the degree of coercion you'd call "force" since people don't randomly want to do things out of nowhere. but I'd agree, you do have the choice and life does not end if you choose not to wear makeup.
I think that's great, OPI do not want a woman who spends obscene amounts of time working on their face when I ALREADY LOVE THEM
>>2564267No, you're the worst tripfag because all other tripfags (EVEN JLH) can actually comprehend a few short sentences strung together!You completely failed at assuming what I was implying. The argument was about whether social norms existed. No where were we arguing whether they should or should not be followed. You clearly can't read. I'm *begging* you to point out where I "implied" that social norms should be followed.God. Your retardation is astounding. And yes, your opinion doesn't matter because it clearly isn't an intelligent one. You implied something that wasn't there. You want to talk about fallacies? Your argument wasn't even VALID, let alone sound.
>>2564319uh lol i wasn't ever arguing with you about whether or not "social norms" (an overused buzzphrase) existed. i was arguing with you about the fact that you aren't pressured into wearing makeup. there's a difference.
>>2564207Shit. I guess I'm a neckbeard betafag then. Looks like I'll just have to give up my social life, relations and physical appearance now.
>>2564338omgggg uh lol ur so retarded XD>pressure to wear makeup>wearing makeup seen as the norm>norm>a social normI'm done, bye.
the fuck is wrong with her forehead
>>2564205No I don't believe I will. It's much too expensive and the results are rarely attractive. I will do my best to make myself appear beautiful, not because I am a "conformist" but simply because I am treated better when I have makeup on and have my hair done nicely and am dressed fashionably. I can't really speak for how you treat women who look certain ways, and as I know most robots aren't really too fussed about how a girl looks as long as she isn't hideous, but the majority of men and women treat attractive people better. I see why you may not want to put in the effort to wear make-up, but I feel that the way I look is a big enough factor in how I am treated that it is worth this time and effort. Is this conforming? Even if it is, there is value in conforming to at least some of society's constraints. In my opinion it is better to conform on certain trivial matters and and only go against the norm only on issues that are legitimately important to you. If you must dispute every single aspect of society you have a problem with then you may go right ahead, but I feel that that is a waste of energy in the majority of cases. Putting on make up isn't a challenge, so why bother showing what a special snowflake you are by not putting it on. Life is easier when you conform on these unimportant matters, and though you will probably call me weak and foolish for this, I prefer a life of ease to one of constant opposition and arguments.
>>2564356good, i legit hope you have to keep leaning on makeup and bullshit excuses about whose responsibility it is to supplant your self-esteem for the rest of your sad life, cunt (as though you even started the argument in good faith by yelling "fuck you" like a petulant child anyway).
>>2564413Just ignore it, dude. Don't bother.
>>2564375I see your point about wanting an easy life but it is very hard to respect someone who feels they have to wear makeup. It just makes you seem you have nothing to offer other than your appearance.
Being feminine is just not me... it'd be like you guys acting like the macho bullish asshole who pics on the guys you used to be. Make up/pink/most women clothing.Fuck, I can't get any underwear that isn't purple or pink or white. Fucking want boxer briefs but they're expensive. I'm nothing near a lady yet I'm neither a dude. Maybe if I cut my hair a bit shorter. consideringtransmanAnd make up/fancy clothes/hair/nails/all that feminine shit costs lots of money.> no wonder they want to find a guy who has money
>>2564450I don't feel as if I have to. It's a choice that I feel is logical. I understand that it seems shallow on the face of it, but as many robots have reiterated, personality counts more than looks with them, and by their own logic, that means that it should not matter either way. By wearing make-up I can make myself appear more attractive in the eyes of those to whom appearance is of great importance while having no affect on those who don't care. I fail to see enough negative consequences to convince me not to wear make-up, and so I will continue to do so until there are more negative than positive impacts. That is simply logic and I am in no way forced to follow it.
I find all that is fake to be disgusting.Fake nails, fake hair, fake tan, paste on the face = fake face. I hate it all, I find it disgusting and unattractive. I also hate high heels.>>2563098Assuming she isn't wearing make-up in that picture, Emma Watson looks ideal to me there.I'm afraid I'm a minority, though. Most people don't mind it, I've gathered.
>>2564552Well since you're thinking of trans I guess I can't fault you, but make-up is not really expensive if you use it conservatively and make intelligent purchases. As in you don't go to make-up stores or counters, but buy non-brand names at the pharmacy and such.
>>2564574do you think the actual appearance of wearing makeup is unattractive, or do you just hate the idea?
>>2564557It does matter because it is your personality defects that compel you to wear makeup.
>>2564652and the personality defects would still be there whether or not she's wearing makeup. you can't change that so easily
>>2564603My skin is really sensitive to perfumes/chemicals and breaks out with most things. Only thing I use is Vaseline moisturizer on my face after a shower to keep my nose/cheeks/eyebrows from flaking.I pluck the eyebrows and chin and stuff but the only reason I'd wear makeup I'm too old for (being all gothy and stuff)Unless putting on some makeup becomes the norm for men as well I wont bother. Not like I'm trying to attract a mate anyways.If it improves skin health it's cool, but I dont care about concealer/eyeliner and shit.Zombie makeup I can do though.
>>2564701this might be weirdly off topic but you should definitely consider spending more on facial moisturizer if you have to. that's the one gay-feminine thing I don't feel retarded for buying. I used to have skin issues forever until I switched to a water-based lotion. sensitive skin is the worse. on the bright side, if you're ever a transsexual, the hormones might give you tougher skin and it will be easier to care for!
>>2564608I think that the actual appearance is unattractive as more make-up appears to be applied, especially eye makeup. Best example I could find in picture. I find this unattractive because of the make-up, both girls have nice bone structure and would be much more attractive to me without all the gunk on her face but everyone else seems to like it a lot.
>>2564735Tough like the worn and weathered backside of a life long ranch hand and bull rider Oh yeah.That's good to know though about the moisturizer. Soft skin is nice.
I don't like makeup personally. I would rather treat and fix my skin issues instead of covering them up. Simple things like changes in diet and sleeping habits can make a huge difference. And there are treatments that will help your skin become healthy without coating it in heavy creams and dusts.
Facial make-up shouldn't matter, it's hair and hygiene that do.If you don't look naturally good when you wake up in the morning then I don't care how good you look caked up.
>>2564682>>2564652Maybe you believe it is a defect that I chose to wear make-up, but I have explained my logic to you at least twice. Being attractive has quite a few benefits, and wearing make-up is a simple way to appear more attractive in the many peoples' eyes. That is logic and common sense, and if you see that as a defect, then I suppose there's not much I can do. It seems to me that it is the most intelligent decision to make since my ultimate goal is a life of happiness, but I understand that it may seem other wise to you.
>>2564923*attractive in many peoples'
Bitch try clinique foundation. Shit is like rainbows.
It's okey with me, but can't you wear thongs instead of boring granny panties?
>>2565172thongs are so fucking uncomfortable though. ugh.
>>2563098When I see girls like you OP I think "wow their mother was a slob and never taught them how to take care of themselves"Its not true but I'd imagine a lot of people do think of it like this. It would be unattractive to me.The only makeup I like if you have clear skin is that shit they put in their eyelashes to make their eyes more pronounced. Wear it. Get your hair done well and keep care of it, its very attractive.Your wardrobe is aright if everything fits fine. I'd invest in some more 'girly' things though and wear them a few times a week at least.
