I don't think anything I read on 4chan is going to help me.

THIS IS MUCH LIKE THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND

>>2559799

This

And no amount of 4chan support groups will make me any less unlovably hideous.

Maybe you can save some of the less-ugly/average looking ones though.

Good luck, OP

>>On a related note, I've heard good things about pickup >>artist materials.

It sure works if you've got it down naturally but in my opinion it only works if you're really convinced that you're going to score some chicks.

Practice good grooming, it goes a long way

>>2559779

This thread is NOT for me, then.

>>2559808

Pretty much.

Advice I can give you 'never held hands' types is keep clean. Wash, brush your teeth etc. You don't have to go to bars or clubs or places you feel uncomfortable to meet women, I'm sure there are even girls at Dungeons And Dragons games.

I've always considered that pick-up-artist stuff as contrived and gay but then again I've never needed it. I don't look to pick up girls as casual sex isn't really my thing.

Also there are loads of slutty girls in your local music scene most likely.

We need to figure out where all the roneryfag women are at, then propose some sort of orgiastic merger resembling a cross between the end of Revenge of the Nerds and the last days of Rome.

Surely somewhere on the internet there is a group of ugly, socially inept women decrying the fact that they don't have the guts to meet men.

>>2559891

What about us ugly, socially inept, roneryfag gay guys?

>Guys who, without help, may very well die without ever knowing what it feels like to kiss a woman.

FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU-
that is me.
i lack the balls for suicide, though.

>>2559891
Even ugly, socially inept women can find a guy.

>>2559870
somehow, I don't think bathing alone is going to get me laid. sage for kind of useless advice.

>>2559870
>You don't have to go to bars or clubs or places you feel uncomfortable to meet women, I'm sure there are even girls at Dungeons And Dragons games.

I'm sure there are not. I don't play D+D anyway.

Keep clean? That's your advice? Even I know enough to not be a filthy slob.

You mean well OP but you can't offer more than few tips. And the ronrey crowd require a lot more than that.

Here's a question:
If I don't enjoy going out and drinking/partying/whatever, don't have many friends/have a male-only job is it even possible to stop being ronrey?

history has shown that there are women who will fuck ronryfags.
we need to perfect our knowledge of their type and then prevent them from getting to usual men and drive them to us ronery people.

>>2560081
I'd like to know what history books you've been reading.

LONG-ASS POST OF GOOD ADVICE THAT WILL BE IGNORED FOLLOWS

>but it's not going to be easy and is going to take more than simply going out and talking to people.

You twat, that's EXACTLY how you solve this problem.

Screw "quick fixes" like becoming a pick-up artist - the ronery crowd won't pull it off because they lack the confidence.

Go for viable, long-term solutions. It won't be quick, it won't be easy, but it will last.

First, recognize that the road ahead of you is long, and hard. You'll screw up and look like an idiot in the beginning. Accept this. If you can't, enjoy roneriness.

What I propose is first to become more social in general, to get your social skills up. Then, start going for the ladies.

Realize that most people aren't like you. Social interaction with a stranger is not a strange thing to them, if done properly in the right context. For example, all of these things are perfectly acceptable or you to do:

- If you're out walking, and encounter another person, and you're *alone* on the street, smile, look them in the eyes, and say "Hi!". Don't stop walking, don't lock eyes more than a second, don't turn around, don't say anything else. They'll return the greeting, but you'll keep

Fuck it, I grew tired. I don't feel like typing all this shit down.

Be more social, start small, make lots of friends. Confidence will follow, as will the courage to ask out girls. You can do it, Anon.

>>2560026
there are some girls that dont' like drinking/partying. and they start to grow out of it around 25-27.

Guys, I haven't had sex in almost eight days.

>>2560202
Fuck off.
Saying "hi" to random people does nothing.

>>2560202

Confidence can't rescue you from ugliness

>>2560249
Hang about, I've seen ugly people with girlfriends. He wasn't smart or rich either so..

>>2560202
There's got to be more to it than that.

I just don't know.

>>2560235
this
alreadysaidbeforeblaahx

I'm not really sure that even those ronery women would like to get it on with a typical neckbeard/fat/skinny/asocial loser.

Dont aim for normal women or attractive ones, you need weird, shy ronery girls. dont try picking up random ones or ones in bars/clubs because they are probably not your type. you'l have to find some sort of group with common interests in which to meet women

>>2560281

I'm not looking for a girlfriend (keyword, girl)

And I doubt that man is truly ugly. He might be a little less than average, but not ugly.

I use "ugly" very, very sparingly so maybe we just have different standards.

What I do know is that I have never, ever fit into anyone's standards in my entire life.

shitsucks

>>2560313
How do I find such a group?

Make a new board called /lov/

It will be dedicated to all things concerning love and relationships.

>>2560352
/luv/ Sounds better.
I'd pronounce /lov/ like "Lauve".

>>2560294

There is, but I didn't want to spend an hour typing it.

I've done it myself, with the caveat that I didn't have any sort of social phobia, or social awkwardness - I got along fine with the friends Ihad, but I just had trouble making new ones.

By saying hi to people I didn't know, trying to do smalltalk with people etc. I built up my social confidence.

It was awkward and meaningless at first, but I learned to appreciate it and understood that meaningful, deep social interaction first requires some mindless chatter - it's like a probe to see if the other person is sane or a psycho.

Anyway, now I've gotten to the point where I can, without problems, ask a guy on the street for directions, or strike up casual conversation with people I don't know. I genuinely enjoy going to parties or events where I'll meet new people. I have no fear of talking to girls - just taking to a girl is no different than talking to a boy.

The sort of tricky part is asking a girl out, but I think I can do that, too. I'm preparing for failure, or at least awkwardness, but a year ago I wouldn't have dreamed of doing it.

Most of all, I think I got tired of not getting anywhere, and realised that I had two options:

1) Do nothing. 100% certainty that I'll stay lonely.
2) Do something. Unknown chance of success. Failure results in no change to present condition, but the chance is less than 100%.

I can personally vouch for the PUA materials. Tons of free books, and here is one upped by a generous Anon.

http://rapidshare.com/files/71380804/pu_books.rar

Start with Mystery Method and then move on.

Being a pickup artist is not about getting laid easily. It's about seducing and entrancing women, for sex, romance, or whatever else you want. It's about understanding the mechanics of meeting and interacting with women.

>>2559870
The PUA stuff is kinda like if you decided to write down the laws of physics, only you didn't understand the general principles and instead wrote things like 'Ball bounces off wall"

They have a grain of truth to them, but most of it is people coming up with theories and then ways to justify them. And also giving them stupid names.

The power they have is that they can provide people who can't think on their feet in a situation like that the script to go through a conversation. Rote learning certain rules of social interaction.

But it's psychology lite, basically.

>>2560423

It's social interaction for people who don't know how to do it.

>>2560423
Can't do PUA shit. I could never make that work.

Why does nobody mention the books on communication written by Paul Watzlawick and Schulz von Thun? They're probably the best books on the subjects of interpersonal communication and are going to create a deeper understanding of average daily situations and conversations. Perhaps they are also a good basis for all those PUA books.

>>2560338
Look for geek girls. Anime conventions are a fantastic place. Also a big part of it really is just talking to people more, don't worry about how you come off because you probably won't see the people again anyway, so relax more.

Also, seriously, using online personal sites really worked well for me. I recommend OKCupid, it's free.

>>2560375
So was your problem simply that you were shy?

>>2560518
What if you live in a place with a low population density? (And have no conventions or anything nearby)

>>2560518
I can't stop worrying about how I come off. Anywhere other than anime conventions? I'd have to travel a ways for that.

And I've had an okcupid profile for ages, but I'm as shy online as I am in real life.

>I'm as shy online as I am in real life.

truth, I freeze up with a attractive females online as I do offline

virgin 444 lyfe!!~

>>2560601

try interacting with people that you'll never see again.

Go into town/a city and try to just strike a 2 minute conversation with someone. Something small. If you go to buy a coffee and the person in front of you takes ages, make light of it with the cashier. If you're in a shop, ask an assistant about a product, and find out something about them in the process - "What would you reccomend for someone about to go traveling? Have you been?" for example. 2 minute, in-and-out and never see them again.

Build up a level of confidence in the small interactions, then try letting a conversation flow more. Build it up till you stop being nervous.

>>2560677
It doesn't matter if I will never see them again.

I try doing things like that, actually. But conversation never flows.

>>2560565

I guess. I had it easy that way.

>>2560677
>make light of it with the cashier
Dick move man. Not cool.

>>2560723
Ah right. To start with I thought I was the same, because I'm fine if somebody asks me a question or something. However I don't have anything in common with anybody so I don't have anything to talk about.

>>2560600

this is me, I forgot to mention, the "other girl" is the shy and awkward type found in that type of environment you talked about.

>>2559891
Weight Watchers.

What this need is a hook up between people that know a bit about socializing, and those that don't do well in social situations.

I swear that having a friend or someone you know helping to pull you out of your shell is the only thing that really works if you don't it in you to do it on your own. That's how it happened to me. A few people were kind enough to befriend the lonely kid and now I can handle myself pretty well.

If you are up to it the first step would be someone that would be willing to cooperate you and show support and advice(I'm up for it), and YOU have to be willing to trust that person to help you out.

So how about it?
I don't need troll's replies

summary of this thread
>i hate talking to people, how do i do it?
>talk to people

>>2560827
Fuck I hate hate submitting without checking what I wrote.

Disregard the horrible grammar because even I'm ashamed of it.

sorry bro, loneliness can't be solved by other people's words on a screen. it's a personal plight that people have to figure out for themselves

also, getting a girl won't cure people of their loneliness.

usually i am not lonely, although i have no friends, havent for a few years, and have never touched a girl, am 50% basement dweller (i am at uni). however i am not lonely, i think because i have grown skilled at avoiding thinking about myself and, especially, my future.

however, i saw the movie con air on tv a few days ago, and got a little ronery when i saw whatsanigger nicolas cage returning to his "wife and young daughter" after escaping the crashed plane. for a little while i wondered how fulfilling it would be to have such a "normal" life.

so, yea op i figure i am someone you are thinking of. if i ask myself now will i die a virgin, i would say there are many possible futures, and in some of them i die a virgin, in others i dont. trouble is right now i just dont know which possible future i even want to be in.

>>2560827
This is probably what I need. Someone to drag me kicking and screaming into more social situations.

>>2560929
This actually happened to me. Shit was boring as fuck. The drink didn't taste very good and there was nothing I could say to anyone.

So it might not work for you I dunno.

>>2560998
I've been going out a lot this past year. The drinks are the only part of it I enjoy. So, yeah, it's not really working.

So, pretty much, the world needs people who act like Will Smith did in the movie Hitch and help out ronery people. It could work... we just need people willing to be the "Hitchers".

i've resorted to fatties

no luck yet though, they all seem to be taken...

>>2561028
>>2561028
>the world needs people who act like Will Smith did in the movie Hitch and help out ronery people

spoiler: there are people like that

>>2561028
Let's just email Will Smith.

>>2560929
Your the immature idiot who would be kicking and screaming. I would just be putting you out there in situations.

It's your attitude that you have to change. If your not willing then there is nothing anyone could do to help you.

Why the the ronery retards always being assholes or smartasses with people that might actually help them?

Are you people really that socially retarded? or are you just trolls?

Just send all the ronery fags free train tickets to "Fun sex party, hot girls will do anyone, no matter how fat/gross/nervous! Only 100 for 3 days and nights of hot fucking with A+++ teenage girls!!!"

Then once they are on the train, reroute to Birkenau. I'm a jew, if that helps you understand what I'm proposing as a final solution to the ronery epidemic.

I'm one of those guys who hasn't ever even kissed a woman.

I don't think I'm completely pathetic. I have a job, I'm getting out of college on-time, got full-time work all laid out for me.

My bane is my (lack of an) outgoing personality. I'm not a super-interesting guy to begin with (except on the internet, I can work that keyboard), couple that with being very socially awkward and not having many friends, I don't get out too much.

And yes, I actually live in my parents' basement. I'm 21. However, not every basement has an HDTV, dual-monitor computer, and all the other junk I have to keep me from going insane D:

My greatest dream/goal in life at this point, that also seems the farthest away and nearly impossible to achieve, is to find the girl for me. Someone I know I can spend countless hours with and not get tired of, someone I can hold in my arms and be proud of, someone to be my emotional partner in life. Someone to love me. Someone to love.

Oh well. Back to basement dwelling D:

>>2561120
can we have a solution that doesnt involve talking to people?

>>2561158

1. Smoke a bunch of weed.
2. Go to a party, start drinking heavily.
3. ???
4. Profit!

Note that profit will be waking up with a strange girl in your bed.

>>2560235

oh realy ?

i once went to the post oficce to get letters for my aunt and the 2 girls went by , one fat and one HOT . the hot just said hi to me in such a tone that i allmoast came in my pants . and saying hi to a stranger in poland usualy gets you in a fight or a knife in your back , so if a girl says "hi" here it means ALOT .

ofcourse as a /b/tard that i am i realized only minutes later that i was halfway in here pants . im just happy i atleas sayd hi . most /b/tard probably would run away .

ofcurse i bawwwed after that and hated myself for being a loser , but im used to it . on the other hand would should i supposed to say ," hi , lets fuck" ?

>>2561189
i believe you are from poland because your english is frucking terrible

>>2561107
You're, not your.

I used the phrase 'kicking and screaming' to illustrate fear of and resistance to change. I want to change, but it is goddamn terrifying.

>>2561210
>>2561210
Oh like I give a dam about my spelling on this site.
Get rid of that fear, once you get used to being out there it's a cake walk.

What are you afraid of? Failing? You never fail until you try, and the same goes with succeeding. It's not like one day you'll wake up and have all the confidence you need to make friends and ladies.

It's only frightening because you make it.

>>2561120
Generally because they get trolled a lot, and the times when they get honest advice it's always from people who never had the same problem so it sounds like they are being made fun of.

>>2561189
Are you serious about getting into a fight?
Like if I said "hi" would another guy just punch me?

i think this is one of the biggest and most import issues facing many.

>>2561693
IF ONLY A MODERN POLITICAN WOULD ADDRESS THIS ISSUE

FFFFFFFFFFFFF

I agree OP, this could be a very good idea. Lots of people here need help and they could do with a collective...*something* about making the roneryness go away. (And why they may be that way in the first place)

HOWEVER

There are no organisational skills here for such a support group (- scientology raids were just a fluke). No one will make one, and anyone that tries will be told to fuck off by the community.

Only if this idea can be made official - with the higher ups, would it actually work.

ANONYMOUS CAN BE A THORN IN THE SIDE OF SCIENTOLOGY YET YOU CAN'T MUSTER A GROUP EFFORT TO GET SOME GUYS A LITTLE SUCCESS WITH WOMEN?

>>2561806
They had a megathread a while ago, I don't think it helped.

>>2561778
LOL
"My fellow Americans. In millions of one-room studio apartments and basements, all across this great nation, there are men who have never so much as kissed a girl."

>>2562164
I'd like to see it discussed on the next Youtube presidential debates.

Building up social skills
Start with people closest to you.
Family
Then male acquaintances
Then female acquaintances
Then try to get a girlfriend.

Roneriness plagues every board to an extent. This needs to be fixed. As more people start browsing 4chan, it will attract more ronery people.

An hero is not an option, it's would just slow the cancer, not remove it. You are just delaying the inevitable.

We need to work together so we can start reversing the process. We need to solve the CORE of the problem, which means more than "playing pretend" or trying to hook up with desperate fembots.

>>2562368
>Hurrdurr

>>2561120
Does this answer your question?

Looking for love is counterintuitive.

If you can't socialise with other males, then there's little chance of socialising with girls.

Women will come to you if you stop looking for them.

Treat them normally, but not as if you were interested in them. Start with ugly girls. Just learn to talk and be friends.

This is the key. If you are incapable of being friends with a girl, then you're unlikely to make a girl fall for you. Unless you're blessed with an amazing countenance or physique and/or charm and/or wit.

Work your way up. Flirt with ugly girls if you have to. Then work your way up with progressively better looking people. You will develop the experience and skill to interact with attractive people without panicking/worrying.

>>2562312
are you thinking what I'm thinking? next youtube presidential debates, /r9k/ FLOODS the questions with queries related to being a lonely virginfag. They can't possibly ignore us all....well they can, but it's going to be tough if we all contribute.

>>2562468
>women will come to you if you stop looking for them
that is complete and utter bullshit, but congrats on the 2 4 6 8 get.

>>2562443

Not as obvious as you might think.

Desperation often leads to them trying to go straight to flirting with girls when they can't even socialise with family.

>>2562468
Roblock,
>Women will come to you if you stop looking for them.

Confirmed false. None of us actually try and look for women.

Got muted for that but the robot can't be right every time.

>>2562164

Loneliness is a public health issue. In terms of lifestyle factors that affect life expectancy, loneliness is second only to smoking. Married men are significantly less likely than single men to suffer heart attack or stroke. Cancer rates are higher amongst lonely people.

Look at the social costs of loneliness too - would Cho have shot up his school if he had a girlfriend and some guys to hang out with? Look at how many 4channers have done truly fucked up things just to get a little bit of warmth, a little bit of human contact. We can't even begin to calculate the damage caused to society as a result of loneliness and isolation.

We need a fundamental shift in society. We need to break down the stigma attached to loneliness that results in such a dreadful cycle of isolation, the trap of being unable to make friends because you have no friends.

There is a broad structure of specialised support for people who suffer from alcoholism or depression or schizophrenia, but not nearly enough for social anxiety. I know of someone who took three years to pluck up the courage to go to a support group for social anxiety - how bitterly ironic that the only support available was a terrifying ordeal for him.

>>2562490
I wasn't hurrdurran because I thought it was obvious, it was because the post itself was backwards.

It's like this.
Ronreyfag: How does I socialise
Anon: Build up social skills
Ronreyfag: How?
Anon: Socialise

DOES NOT COMPUTE

I suggest you get the fuck off this board.

Seriously, RONERY? What the fuck are you? Like get the fuck out. Booo Hoooo Hoooo MIIII soooo rooooneeerryyy.

First, it is lonely. Faggot. Say it right. Part of why you are alone is 1) because you are creepy and deserve it 2) because you need to appeal to equally creepy faggots to talk to because you are too pathetic to engage with people in real life 3) do you even think your e-support group is going to help, don't you think it is part of the reason that you are worthless and alone? because you are big enough faggots to turn to random strangers on the internet for help, thus further disengaging from anything social that could make you worthwhile

Go back to /v/ with your "ronery" and "baww" no one fucking wants to hear it so get the fuck out you worthless little boys.

Grow the fuck up and deal with your problems. The way to increase quality is for you get off. So do it. Leave. Go to some other trash place meant for that shit.

And it's not the "underage b&" who think this us gay, it is anyone who values a board not full of trash like you.

>>2562503
That guy in Finland had a girlfriend though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting
Seemed normalish, perhaps a bit immature for his age.

>>2562485
>>2562492

I've found this true, from a misanthropic basement dweller, i've turned myself around in a year and actually befriended girls, had a girlfriend, and sexual contact.

Still trying to make it though. It's been about 2 years since since then. some of my closest friends have been girls, before I had no female friends, as I was simply too inept.

As soon as i stopped seeing women as potential mates, I found it much easier to interact with them if i'm not expecting anything.

>>2562534
Lurk moar.
It's spelled wrong for a reason.

Fucking tripfags..

People that cant figure out how to research fitness, fashion, and social dynamics don't deserve the option to procreate.

>>2562525

I'm assuming that the reader has SOME social skills which to build upon.

It's easier to start where you're comfortable and expand out of your comfort zone.

The easiest is family and close friends (obviously)
If you have trouble socialising with family and close friends, then I can't help.

>>2562566
Guess what, this is r9k and not /b/ or /v/ and we do not have to put up with that bullshit you whoremouthed cockcraving simpering fuck. Go find some equally pathetic boys and do ass to ass with a cucumber. Bitch.

All right guys. After you read what I have to say, and if you actually do as I tell you to, you will never be RONERY again. Buckle down, this is gonna be a big one.

Start by gaining confidence. Without faith in yourself, you cannot possibly expect others to place trust in you. What is confidence? Confidence is the power to act the way you feel. You are never worried about what others think of you, and you aren't overly apologetic. However, this doesn't mean your a happy-go-lucky idiot. Everything you do must be, in your own opinion, beneficent to the overall group somehow. Confidence is correcting the professor when he slips up, taking your guys to eat on Saturday, and asking people if they'd like to hang out.
Another big part of self-confidence is self-respect. That means that you must become somebody that you can respect. Go to the gym, get some nice abs, get a haircut, and clean your apartment up. Once you prepare yourself to look like somebody with lots of friends, it's easier to actually get pals. If you can successfully project self-confidence, other people will naturally begin gravitating towards you.
Now, you might be asking, "Wait, anon, you're telling me how to get friends. I wanna know how to get girls."
Well, guess what. Girls go out with popular guys. If you were a woman, and you had the choice between a guy with 2 buddies and stayed at home all day on 4chan and a guy who knows everybody in his year, and is always going to some party, guess who you would want to choose? The fun, popular guy always wins out.

OP and his subordinates are pathetic. How can you not talk to females. Smooth talk your way to the top you fucks and stop whinging. You can't fucking expect them to roll up on your front door.

>>2562534
>because you need to appeal to equally creepy faggots to talk to because you are too pathetic to engage with people in real life

No shit Sherlock, that's why we have this thread.

>>2562584
>This is not 4chan how dare we use memes on this hallowed ground

I think you are confused. This isn't Digg.

>>2562590
>Wait, anon, you're telling me how to get friends
No you're not.
You're telling us how to look like we have friends. That's not the same. Currently I look normal, clean and I'm not a shivering wreck of self-hate. According to you I should have lots of friends by now.

>>2562590
This brings us to the next bit of our lesson - being a fun guy. Always be doing something fun, always. Once you truly become a "fun guy", you should be able to walk into any boring situation and make it exciting for everybody else. Make bets during studying, give out rounds of hugs for beer, crack jokes, ask interesting questions during a discussion, whatever.
And speaking of hugs, they're always a good idea. You want to be a touchy guy. Hug a girl you know when you see her, throw out high fives and fist pounds, initiate handshakes, anything that involves skin-to-skin contact. Never be afraid of an opportunity to touch. Touching is confident. Touching makes you less ronery. Touch.

I'm not going to post threads about being ronery, but I'm not going to try to find a girlfriend, either. I really can't be bothered. It's not as if i feel I cannot live without love. If I die alone, so be it.

>>2562607

Simple then: STOP DOING THAT. The more you do it, the more you become a creeper who has tons of internet friends and no rl friends.

Go. Out. Go do community service. Look up shit in your area and go do it. Or go attend shitty anime conventions or dungeons and dragons shit, or real life meetups of whatever faggy activities made you such closet cases.

No, you won't be hanging out with hot girls, but you honestly aren't going to have anything in common with them anyways, so settle for a moderately chubby alternative girl who will actually relate to you.

>>2562673
Good point, but I was just helping to set up the guys who do look like shivering wrecks of self hatred to get at least to where you are.

>The fun, popular guy always wins out.

yeah fucking right lol

ihategirlsblocks

>>2562677

Touching is right.

Start with male companions. Shoulders, handshakes.

When you're comfortable, move onto girls.

No need to over do it though. A thoughtful pause on her shoulder/arm will do.

>>2562683

I dated a nerd girl once who didn't have a single online friend, let alone an active social life on the internet. We broke up, largely because I never developed a high enough opinion of her, and this fact had a lot to do with it.

She had offline friends.

>>2562740

You broke up because she had IRL friends but not internet friends? Why? Most people don't have e-friends.

TIPS FOR YOU PEOPLE:

If you are nervous around girls to even speak them do the following:

As you walk around town just say hello to random people you see in the street!

It will help boost your confidence.

What I have found out through my own analysis of myself. The following holds true:

You may look like an ass trying to speak to a random girl for 5 minutes and fucking it up (Or maybe scoring) but you look more like an ass not trying for the rest of your life and never knowing what to do.

You should always think when trying to speak to random girls. What is the worse that could happen? She ignore you you runs off? Big fucking disappointment. Learn from your mistakes and speak to someone else. Why should you care that a random girl just blocked you completely? You lived your 2* something years without her you can live the rest of your life without her.

>>2562683
We don't have any of that stuff 'round here.

>>2562677
Another part of being a fun guy is to always be chill and relaxed. Nobody likes a guy who is tense and has a stick up his ass all the time. If you are constantly tense, the people around you (especially the girls) will quickly pick up on that tension and become tense themselves, and suddenly, hanging around you isn't fun. And girls are constantly looking for fun.
To be honest with you, PUA material is a pretty good place to start, but if you do it anywhere where the guys and girls are complete strangers, it won't likely work - you'll come off as try-hard and tense. I've tried, and it won't work unless you guys are strangers. If you've read the game, you'll realize that Style concedes that AFC shit does have this place in the world - and its place is actually quite large.
So. Relax. When I was trying this stuff outside myself, people, guys and girls alike, seemed to like me more when I was chill. Actively trying to get in a girl's pants is not chill, and will most likely turn her off. Go with the flow - you'll feel it when you're actually interacting. Evolution has programmed you to know exactly when to go for the kiss, so don't stress out over it.

>>2562764

Where the fuck do you live, the moon? Catch a train, thumb a lift, borrow a bicycle.

>>2562777
>the moon
Oh god I wish.

>>2562797
word, me too, least there's not 500 million greasy spics every which way

>>2562677
You mean like this?

Oh yeah I'm still not sure what exactly I'm meant to do to get from
-stuck in room
to
-out with friends

>>2562847
If you're friendly and nice, people will want to hang out with you.

If you're totally on your own, i.e. no contact, then consider joining a club, or get a job in a store (watch out for all male staff, you won't meet women, and you won't meet them through coworkers, since they won't meet women either. try to get a job with male/female workers)

>>2562771
AFC? What does that mean?

>>2562771
So now that you know all this, where do you start? Start by getting some male buddies. Join a few clubs, start a facebook group, plan a party and invite your acquaintances, set up a study session and invite your whole class, or just chat them up over a common interest. This is directly extending off the whole self-confidence bit. If you expect to be accepted, you will be. It's that simple - people are easier to sway than you'd expect. After you get a few guys in your crew, move on to the girls. (Side note, don't freak out if you don't have any girls around. If there are no girls around, concentrate on having fun with your dudes. Don't be afraid, however, to interact with women whenever you see them.) Talking to the girls is even easier - to use the PUA term, "open" them with some simple shit, like "hey, I've seen you around a couple times, what's your name?" Asking them for HURR HURR WATS YOUR OPONION ON MY BUDDY'S RELATIONSHIPS is generally creepy outside the bar scene. Move them to topics that are fun for them, like who is dating who, who they know at a party, social shit. They love it.

Oh, and there is such a thing as approach anxiety, but I generally get over it by repeating my little personal mantra, "The unfired bullet always misses." Shit works wonders. Merry Christmas, /r9k/ ;D

>>2562761
>As you walk around town just say hello to random people you see in the street!

>It will help boost your confidence.

Shut up. Just shut up right now. When I do this, I spend the next week agonizing at how stupid I looked/sounded. Totally wrecks what little confidence I had.

>>2562878
Ain't no clubs here city boi.
I do have a job with all male staff though. Unfortunately changing jobs now would be a step backwards.

>>2562882
general pickup artist jargon for "average frustrated chump", which includes the whole dating bit. they generally look down on it because it doesn't work in bars, but elsewhere, it's very solid.
A note on dating, never pay for the woman. Show that you expect her to be able to support themselves - they actually take it as praise.

>>2562896

If you can say hello and not care about how you look, you'll make a big step. Who gives a shit if some guy you'll never see again, thinks you sound like a prat.

That said, I don't say hi to random people, nor do i advocate it. However, if a situation brings me into proximity, I will (shopkeepers, librarians, students in my class etc.) say hi, thanks, bye, how's it going, or any other derivative.

>>2562764

Where are you? I will do the work and find you some shit if you promise to not go on this board until you have attended a social event.

Else, fuck you.

Step 1: Turn off the computer. Permanently.
Step 2: Leave the house. Stay out of the house longer than you're in the house.

Everything else will come naturally.

>>2562931
I know it's totally absurd, but I can't help it.

How do I got confidence?

>>2562913

Sorry man, the best I can offer is this:

Spend time with guys who spend time with girls.
Try to find somewhere for people of common interests. A library maybe?

The only way you're guaranteed to make a friendship with a girl is if you're in repeated, direct contact.

You make friends on the job, at school, at uni, when together by circumstance. We make friends because it makes those things easier.

You don't make friends talking to random women.

If there are no women in any of your circles, there probably won't be. Sad but true, and I know it pretty well.

>>2562967
start with this article.
and then do what the article says is good for you.
http://www.mindtools.com/selfconf.html

If you are ronery and meet a woman do you tell her you are inexperienced or what

>>2562977
best would be to become not ronery before you try getting in a woman's pants

>>2562967
Start low. Seriously.

Guys at first. Small talk with guys. Then ugly girls. Then attractive girls.

You can work your way up.
Start small, it makes a difference.
Every little thing is useful. Every pat on the back, hand on shoulder, handshake, whether with an old friend, a guy in your computer class, a girl who you're friends with.

Most of all try to change yourself.
Make an effort with people, it will help, believe me.

>>2562977

just let her know that you never really had a girlfriend/much experience with girls, because you were shy, or never had time, or whatever your excuse is.

As long as you don't make it a big thing, it won't be.

>>2562945
A place called Dalbeattie. God-forsaken town.
Bear in mind I work during the day.

>>2562977

there is nothing wrong with being inexperienced. Everyone has to start somewhere. Don't worry about it too much.

>>2562995
>Small talk
Explain this concept please.

>>2563010


women wouldnt mind teaching you?

>>2562995
Guys are no easier to talk to than girls. Hell, I sometimes have trouble talking to friends I've known for years.

>>2559904
if you want just sex, honestly CL. older men are always looking for younger guys for sex but you might be able to hook up with someone your own age.

>>2563041
They won't hold your hand, but they won't throw sand in your eyes either.

Ask them for a little assistance when you need it.
"I don't know, i've never bought a gift for a girlfriend before. What kind of thing do you like?"
"I've never fingered a girl, so you got to tell me what you like, okay?"

They don't mind as long as you don't cling. That's their job

>>2562720
hating girls will not get you anywhere with them. they're so fucking cute, you know?

However mean your life is, meet it and live it; do not shun it and call it hard names. It is not so bad as you are. It looks poorest when you are richest. The fault-finder will find faults even in paradise. Love your life, poor as it is. You may perhaps have some pleasant, thrilling, glorious hours, even in a poorhouse. The setting sun is reflected from the windows of the almshouse as brightly as from the rich man's abode; the snow melts before its door as early in the spring. I do not see but a quiet mind may live as contentedly there, and have as cheering thoughts, as in a palace.
-Thoreau

>>2562975
Hold up a second, people have shown dislike for me in the past for following the rules written in the left column.

>>2562756

That wasn't the only reason. It was more "I had a lot of trouble developing feelings for her", and not having a single online friend made her seem frankly like a bit of a loser, which really didn't help.

(Yeah, I know most people don't. Maybe even most weeaboos don't, these days. The cool ones, however, do.)

>>2563039
Hey, did you see the Watchmen trailer?
Yeah, shit was tight. Hey, I got a copy of the comic. You should totally read it. It'll fuck with your morals so badly.

>>2563091
people dislike you for admitting your mistakes? elaborate, please.

>>2563110
Ok I admit it, I was only talking about the first one.

>>2563039
>>2563051

Take an interest in their life.
Find out what they're interested in

"Do you play games?"
"Got an xbox?"
"What kind of music do you like?"
"Done anything good on the weekend?"
"Have you ever tried x?"
"What do you think about x?"
"Have you heard about the economic crisis?"
"How's coursework going?"

Make jokes, but not too much.

Importantly, ask questions, but also listen, or at least, give the appearance of listening. Nod your head. Murmur agreement. When you disagree, hold your thought and introduce it subtly. If it fails, forget about it move on.

Awkward silences are only awkward if you feel they are.

If you act natural, smile occassionally, it will seem the most natural thing in the world. If they ask you a question, think about if it's interesting to them? Do they really want to hear about some meme?

Smile, laugh occassionally, let them know you're human.

>>2563039
Small talk is pretty much talk about nothing too important. Like if they're reading a book, comment about the book or the author. Or, if they're at a Starbucks staring at the menu, recommend a drink or something. Observe the person, then chose a topic.
Bam, small talk.

I've been online and inside so long that real life seems fake to me.

Do not seek so anxiously to be developed, to subject yourself to many influences to be played on; it is all dissipation. Humility like darkness reveals the heavenly lights. The shadows of poverty and meanness gather around us, "and lo! creation widens to our view."
-Thoreau
lol you folk take yourselves so seriously

>>2563135

Do you think that's air your breathing?

>>2563125

Holding your own ground is fine.
When you don't accept other views you sound like a jerk. Don't just throw your own opinion at them. Learn to keep your own opinion, but not need to make a deal about it.

When people ask me about my atheism, i don't say

"God doesn't exist, he's irrational, you're an idiot" (even though sometimes this is what I want to say)
I know this would offend. Instead:
"I've come to that conclusion over years of self searching and studying religion. I just feel that way"

>>2563128
How does that work I don't even-

>think about if it's interesting to them
Ok I understand this bit. Don't talk about games or niche music or philosophy or books or WAIT WHAT CAN I TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT I DON'T WATCH TV OR SPORTS

>>2563158
I was thinking more along the lines of not copying them when they want me to.

Boy, I feel like a faggot for asking for help on 4Chan, but here goes nothing...

I've been told by all my friends that I'm hilarious and likable, but I'm worried. I've had my eye on this girl at work. I don't really know much about her, we've said a few words, but I'm afraid. I'm not obese or anything, but I'm not in shape either (Kinda in-between, I've got a big gut and stuff).

Like I said, I seem to have the gift of making people laugh, but are women after personality or looks? Hell, does anyone here even fucking know, or did I just waste my time writing this?

>>2563176
i think you need to make new friends who are not as insecure as those.

I love to be alone. I never found the companion that was so companionable as solitude. We are for the most part more lonely when we go abroad among men than when we stay in our chambers. A man thinking or working is always alone, let him be where he will.
-Thoreau

>>2563128
I can usually do this well enough if someone strikes up conversation with me. But ask me to go start talking to someone, and WOAH HOLY SHIT I WANT TO SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FACE TO END THIS EMBARRASSMENT FOR BOTH OF US

I honestly don't think that I'll ever get any close friends or a girlfriend. I'm too shy, too insecure and too old to change anything about myself (23).

I must focus on finishing my education and then getting a job. I must accept my loneliness and find happiness alone. I must stop going to 4chan. I found this site a year ago and it has made me feel so much worse about myself. I need inner strenght, no more wallowing in self pity.

>>2563159

Tricky indeed, but you'd be surprised. How are you meeting them? at work?

"Oh, how is supervisor so and so? Are they nice?"
"How long have you been working so and so?"
"What's so and so factor of job like?"

At education

"Have you covered this topic?"
"Why not?"
"What do you think of teacher x?"
"How are you finding the subject?"

Talk about things that they like:

"Do you watch football?"
"Oh, I don't really keep up with it."
"Do you go to games? What's that like?"
"What do you think of the players? Steroids right?"
"Do you play sports?"

"Did you watch so and so show?"
"Oh? What kind of stuff do you watch?"
"What's that show about?"
"Yeah? What time/channel?"
"I should watch that sometime."

Even if it's not relevant to you, ask away.

>>2563198
Yep you nailed it. These guys wallow in their own shit and love it.

>>2563176

Just let them know, matter of factly, that you just don't want to do it, or don't do it because of x. Not because you don't like it yourself.

>>2563152
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

I am now breathing manually.

>>2562896
this this this blootmacken

>>2563204
I mean look at this shit. Instead of going into a conversation with a clear head this guy is setting people up to have some sorta script running. You gotta just go with the flow man. Meditate brohos, clear your mind. Going in with some sorta plan is gonna fuck you up good.

>>2563196

What's the difference if they start or you start?
I'm sure it's in your head.

If it's awkward, laugh it off.
A good one is:

"Well now... This is awkward, isn't it?"
If you laugh, they'll laugh too. Try to be genuine mind you. If you can't do that, feign interest.

>>2563187
Seems to be a mixture of both. She has to think you're hot that it's worth getting to know you. After that, its more personality.

>>2563242

There is no script, It's just an example improvisation. There are hundreds of questions I could have asked afterwards, but it's just an example to show that so many questions CAN be asked.

>>2563242
But going in without a plan ensures that conversation stops dead after "hi", and then welcome to awkward silence.

>>2563242

Just showing how conversation can segue into more conversation

>>2563242
If all the people on here could go into a conversation clear headed there would be no need for this topic. Sometimes it helps to have a framework of some kind to work with until they are confident enough to go into a conversation clear headed.

>>2563265

Plans, no
Points, yes

Have topics, not scripts. Think about what else is relevant.

I improvised that script, because I know no matter their answer, there's something else I can ask, or talk about. Open ended questions leave you with somewhere to go.

>>2563242
>flow
As far as I am concerned, there is no flow. You don't just "do" anything.

can anybody help with the basics, and i mean BASICS, like carrying on a conversation.

>>2563303

He's not wrong.
Scripts are bad. It's better make every conversation tailored to the people having it. Make a unique connection.

>>2563305

Awkward moments happen. Just relax until you think of something, or they think of something. No pressure. Don't panic or rush.

Ask why, or why not? How? When? Have you? Did you?

Don't interrogate. Their answers should be much longer than your questions. Probe gently. Ask about family, jobs, education, politics, tv, music.

Offer an anecdote, or a joke, or simpy agree.

>>2563204
I know I'm misinterpreting your post, but I want to seriously ask somebody what so and so factor of their life is like, in those exact words.

"What you upto?"

Whatever they say, ask details.
"Work? How's the pay?"
"Any hot girls in your class?"
"Chilling at home? Watching TV? Reading a book?"

>>2563311
Isn't that the same as having a script? Just for each person?

Guys. Dress well, exercise, eat well, look good. Confidence comes once you invest in yourself. Get the hell off the computer and do something for yourself. Go for a run, do pushups, situps, eat some brocolli, buy a new pair of jeans.

There is no better feeling than being admired by women. Seriously, get good looking. You're only young and beautiful once so why squander it?

>>2563356

No, because you're reacting to what the person said.
You can't steer the conversation if you don't know what they're saying.

>>2563187

Before any and all of your dealings with her, convince yourself you don't need her to like you. "Be yourself" is stupid advice, because most people don't know themselves well enough to imitate that. But if you can muster some genuine apathy towards her opinion of you (not the girl herself, just whether or not she likes you) you'll come across way less clingy/more confident/more fun to be around.

But yeah, helps if you're good looking too. Still, the worst you can get out of approaching her is a work acquaintance who is pretty but not your type of person.

keeing thread alive in hope of gaining friends of the female gender (i won't even try to get laid yet, having never TOUCHED a girl other than relatives)

>>2563204
I've done this a couple of times, and after they answer..that's it.

>You can't steer the conversation if you don't know what they're saying in advance

fix

>>2563374

This guy right here. Listen.

>>2563382
Then you're boring them.
Try to ask something that they're interested in. Ask for their input.

"Oh I tried/My friend did/I was thinking of"
"What do you think?"

Ask for advice. Ask for an opinion. nothing makes people feel more important than being asked for their opinion. Look at me for fucks sake.

>>2563187
Women are human beings. For fucks sake guys there is no magic formula. What are YOU in for in a girl? Probably not the same thing as the next guy. Why not be pretty and have a good personality? I don't think you need to focus on one at the expense of the other.

>Dress well, exercise, eat well, look good
>Confidence comes once you invest in yourself

Does it fuck. I do all the above.

>>2563382
smalltalksucksblocks

not the person you're responding to, but some people like me don't care for small talk and prefer to avoid it, get to the point or stop talking

>This thread is for guys who have never even touched a woman, who have never known love or affection whatsoever. Guys who, without help, may very well die without ever knowing what it feels like to kiss a woman.

*sigh* Please stop assuming that every guy is straight.

>>2563444
Gayfags have it on easy mode. See the gay thread for details.

>>2563411
>Women are human beings

Yeah, and I have problems dealing with human beings.

>>2563382

If they don't want to talk, don't push it.
If they're distant, then relax and allow that distance to be there without trying to cross it.

>>2563444
ronrey gay guys aren't in the same boat as ronrey straight guys. straight guys almost always HAVE to approach the girl, gay guys sometimes are approached without having to do anything.

>>2563135
I'd love to meet someone else like this. this basically sums up my life

>>2563418
I used to have this EXACT same attitude... when I was a lonely POS. I got into this fucked up cycle of being lonely and then justifying it by saying to myself, "well that's alright because I hate meaningless social interaction." You need to shut up and do the small talk. No one enjoys it, they enjoy the meaningful friendships that grow OUT of small talk. (actually I enjoy small talk now, it's fucking easy)

>>2563485

Same here. I've learned to appreciate small talk, it can be fun amusing, and can even grow into something else.

It's like the class of squire, from which you can be promoted into a knight or a wizard :)

>No one enjoys it
>actually I enjoy small talk now
That was quick.

>>2563484
PROTIP: I'm pretty damned boring.

>>2563497
lol. That's a funny way of putting it. If you guys can invest 20 hours into your characters in Final Fantasy, why can't you boost your own strength? charisma? looks? Lonely nerds can learn a lot from RPGs. You grind your characters to beat the bosses like you put yourself to the grind in order to beat the boss (getting laid? talking to women? I don't know.)

Don't get away by thinking "oh well if I have a great personality, women can look past me being a fat slob." Just shut up and put in the effort. Learn how to dress well. This is some serious shit right here. Stop wearing hoodies and baggy light blue jeans. Cut your hair. Grow up. Profit??

>>2563504

At first I was like '_'
But then I was like LOL

>>2563543
Dressing well differs by what kind of woman you're trying to attract. But grooming and being in somewhat decent shape are universal.

>>2563543
>why can't you boost your own strength? charisma? looks
Because real life is not like videogames.

What do you consider to be well dressed? I don't wear jeans but I have a couple of hoodies.

>>2563543
I try. I'm not a fat slob. But I hate grindan in games, and I hate it more in real life.

>>2563543

Basically, people on this thread need to grind against lower level people to raise their small talk and conversation skills until they can fight the bosses and higher level people (hot people)

>>2563575

How else are you gonna fight those mid bosses if you can't even kill a rat?

>>2563592
with hacks

lolhacksblocks

>>2563600

Or special items... Like rohypnol (has the same effect as hypnosis spell, i.e. Sleep)

>>2563592
But I'm playing on nightmare mode, and that rat is just as hard as the boss.

Don't want to socialize, don't feel ronery, GTFO, etc.

I'm tired of writing this rant every time one of these self-indulgent failthreads arises, but you get the drift. You're such envious and needy people and I strongly dislike you.

The answer isn't to become some PUA faggot who can only attract party/bar sluts. You can get your dick wet that way, but you can't cure your loneliness. I'm not saying you shouldn't take care of your appearance or hygiene, 'cause that stuff matters, but you can only boost your charisma score once every four levels, if you get my drift.

Choose what you're most interested in. Find a forum for it. (Offline places, too; you can do both.) Post frequently. Join the chatroom if there is one and hang out there instead of here. Befriend the regulars. Lose yourself in your interests, get your life back on track instead of being a 4chan-browsing friendless hikki. Fuck, start tripfagging and hope people come to like your posts, if you're too scared to leave.

You might get a girlfriend that way - you probably won't, and if you do it will take a while, so try to get with a local girl who shares your passions if you can. But even if you don't, you'll be a heck of a lot better off - single, not ronery.

>>2563567
>>2563565
You're right, it does depend on the kind of woman you're trying to attract. That being said, poorly dressed heterosexual males who are older (above the age of 18) frustrate me. Once you're old enough, you can drop all pretense of stupid trends and start dressing like a man. Men have it so much easier than woman in this regard. All we need to look good is to be well groomed, smell nice or neutral, and wear fitting pants and nice shirts.

I can't really give detailed advice on this since it is essential to dress for your body type. The best advice I can give is to keep it simple as possible. No more text or graphics on your tshirts. Avoid bright colors. Be overdressed rather than underdressed. Drop hoodies for most occasions and switch over to jackets with collars. Once you have your basics down, you can start investing in a good wardrobe. If you look good, you will feel good. This relationship works both ways. (really head to /fa/ and lurk for a good copypasta thread with the basics of male fashion)

Oh, and smile god dammit. It makes you 100 times more approachable. Make eye contact with strangers, give them a smile, receive a smile in return, feel happier, profit.

>>2563663

Pretty much on the spot.
Smiling works wonders.

Dress smartly, try a casual jacket/blazer type with t-shirt and jeans.

A family friend (who admittedly is an accomplished actor and has confidence to burn), when faced with talking to people at parties, etc. tells them "I'm sorry, I don't really do small talk. Do you have any big talk?"

It actually works. Damn him.

>>2563479

I assure you, our situation is quite worse. Females out populate males 4-to-1, so you have a lot of potential partners out there to choose from. Gay males make up a significantly lower portion of the population. Some of these guys are closeted. How often do you think the opportunity comes up for me to meet another guy?

You're damn lucky to be in your situation. At least you can approach a random girl and assume she's heterosexual. If it were the reverse and you approached someone assuming he / she were gay, you might end up with a black-eye.

>>2563663
What does dressing well mean? I wear jeans and t-shirts. Sweaters, too now that it's winter. Dark, neutral colors mostly. This seems about average.

>>2563747
>Females out populate males 4-to-1

what? where? i need to move there NAO

>>2563576
In my case, I had to fight a boss battle at lvl 1 without having any EXP (I went from never having touched a woman to actually making out with one of the hottest girls in my class in a timespan of 2 months).
I'd say I gained at least 20 lvls with the amount of exp I received.

>>2563747

Being a gayer is piss easy, don't pretend otherwise. There is no straight equivalent of cottaging or cruising, no straight bathhouses or saunas. I could go to any city in any western country and get my dick sucked within the hour, so could any guy that has basic hygiene.

>>2563802

It's easier to get laid, yes. It's more difficult to find a long-term relationship, however. I assume this is what this thread is about.

You know, when you mix the psychology of men and women, I just don't see how it works on an intimate basis. Women aren't as sexually active as men are. Can I safely assume that all heterosexual relationships are sexually ungratifying, then? I mean, you have to compromise with your partner somewhere, unless she's a total kink.

Men being intimate with men, on the other hand, has its advantages. We're more interested in sex, know exactly what other men want, and know how to give it. (and don't have any hang-ups about giving it) If it were possible to turn-on a little switch in your head that allowed you to engage in sexual activity with other men, then would you?

>>2563858
Are you a troll?

>Women aren't as sexually active as men are.

This is absolutely false. It's just that many men assume a woman is ready and willing at all times. Women are different, but just as sexual if not MORE SO! And this is coming from a sexually experienced male Anon.

Also, this is why God invented masturbation. Sex drive higher than your partner? Rub one out today and fuck her tomorrow.

I didn't read the rest of this thread but I think OP is the type of prick we need less of. My sadness is what I truly understand and what makes me be able to see the world for what it is. I'll stay in my state of Roneryness but I'll look for the poetry and it will make a my view of the world sad, but I'll still believe the world is beautiful for how it had to become and the people who were destine to become the way they were through a chain reaction of events dictated by science and situations. I'll know the failure are looking for something to believe in and thinking for themselves and they didn't think it would be this way either so I'll turn to them for comfort, and I'll know the people who turned out great got lucky and they'll make the world pretty but they won't inspire me cause I could of never been them.
Basically OP, fuck you, I don't need your optimism. I think your the one with loose morals to so easily fling around that happiness must be the correct course.

>>2564160

*sigh* Every dissenting opinion is surely a troll! I think anyone who posts "are you trolling" needs to be auto-banned.

Women are about as sexually active as a freshly-castrated eunuch. Fact. They just don't have as much testosterone in their bodies.

>>2563792
She must have dropped some good loot to boot!
>>2563754
Don't be satisfied with being average. Step your game up son. If everyone is wearing chucks and tshirts, wear nice button ups and leather shoes. (hopefully you're old enough to look right doing so. If you're young, you can get away with being a fashion disaster.)
>>2563858
I'd certainly give it a shot if such a switch existed.

>Women are about as sexually active as a freshly-castrated eunuch. Fact.

You are a silly person.

>>2564160

Enjoy your HPV. 90% of women have it.

>>2564260
90% of people don't even wear properly fitted jeans a t-shirt jeans and some run of the mill shoes can look great if you have clothes that fit right

>>2564427
You're right. It's ALL in the fit. Baby steps to get the basics down. Good point anon.

>>2564258
No, you're a troll because you suggest men should consider homosexuality to get their sexual needs fulfilled.