>>2559453
>kick kids out who are clearly nothing but trouble.
The problem is when you don't educate their kids they end up making tons of babies, committing felonies, going to jail and costing you a lot of money as a taxpayer.

I would argue that the fuck-ups are probably the most important people to educate for the good of society. People who are naturally intelligent and diligent will get by and achieve no matter how fucked up school is.

Destroy it, because the teachers unions and idiotic laws ruined it.

And I'd say privatize it. It would drive down the price for a better education, therefore creating a better workforce.

Kicking out the "going nowhere" kids isn't going to help anything, we need to prevent those kids from becoming little shitheads in the first place.

>everyone needs to be educated so that they don't end up having a bunch of useless kids and raising them terribly
>meaning today's "going nowhere" need to be put in a more rigorous program
>tfw you can't do any of this in the monetary system because profit is more important than social health

> abolish abstinence only education
This is dangerous bullshit

>you cannot opt your child out of sex education
More bullshit

>gun safety course, cannot opt out of
Ignorance causes death

>no religious schooling
No, go to church for that.

>>2559453
>More based on assessment of improvement than individual grades
Although I fucking hated it when I was pulling Bs and As back in high school all year and some stupid fuck got recognized from going from a failing average to a D.

Remove mandatory general education from post-gradeschool learning.
Lower, or remove, the cost of higher education.

>>2559567
>Remove mandatory general education from post-gradeschool learning.
This, holy fuck, this.
'Oh, but we want to make the most well-rounded students!' Fuck you, if Johnny Jerkoff who graduated from high school is well-rounded, I'm fucking well-rounded. Unless they're an Ivy school, they're going to require it because every other school requires it.

>no grades, assessments to show you actually understand the material
This would be good. Even at the college level, grades are easily exploited, as OP said. I got a 100% A in my Micro Apps class, just by following the step-by-step instructions in my textbook. I don't have a working understanding of Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Access, etc.
But, I get to fluff up my resume, because I've been "formally trained to be proficient in the use of Microsoft Office works".
Also, I'm terrible at math, but I did memorize formulas, and receive B's and the occasional A, all my life.

>>2559600
I mean, the way I see gen ed. in high school, it's just a fail safe, so you have a little experience in everything to prepare you for any subject you want in college.
It would suck to suddenly discover a love of science in your Jr./Sn. year, and be fucked over because 7th grade you hated math and just wanted to go home and play Sonic.

>>2559486
This. Troubled kids are kids that need to be saved.
Teachers need to be assessed regularly for their efficiency and skill. Way too many teachers rely on the book and homework to teach the kids because they're secretly idiots.

Religion should not be taught in schools as mandatory curriculum, however they should have classes that study both Western and Eastern religion equally; I feel that there is a problem with only teaching Christianity in schools. No religion should make it's way into a science course.

Philosophy and critical thinking courses should be used by middle school, not college.

Physical education needs a serious revamp, that includes more exercise, health, and nutrition in a single unit.

Students should be graded based on their standardized tests, not homework.

>>2559602
>. I got a 100% A in my Micro Apps class, just by following the step-by-step instructions in my textbook.
The way my one History prof would have graded that, you would have received a C, because a C is average.
If you come to school each day, sit quietly, take notes, and do all your readings, you get a C, because that's what an average student does, the fuck.

When people hear C, they never think average, never.

Also, there should definitely be more technical high schools in America, and they should be easier to get into.
There's exactly one where I live, and it has students from five different counties. Also, it's a bitch to get into.
Some people aren't meant to go to college. This isn't a bad thing, and an electrician can easily make more money than a future social worker like me. It's better for the kids who aren't book-smart, but want to be productive, if they can learn a trade before they're thrust out into the real world.

>>2559618

>Religion should not be taught in schools as mandatory curriculum, however they should have classes that study both Western and Eastern religion equally;
I don't know, perhaps as an elective.

>I feel that there is a problem with only teaching Christianity in schools. No religion should make it's way into a science course.
Though there are other schools of denomination.

>Philosophy and critical thinking courses should be used by middle school, not college.
Yes, unless that's your major.

>Physical education needs a serious revamp, that includes more exercise, health, and nutrition in a single unit.
Really. Gym just sucks. There's no time to actually exercise where it would make a difference, and it eats up your day.
Either vamp that shit up, or get rid of it.

>Students should be graded based on their standardized tests, not homework.
No.

eh, i probably wouldn't do anything. school in general is pretty pointless. you could teach a person in one year everything i learned in twelve, and i was one of the "smart" ones. but school isn't really about learning. it's about social conditioning. you throw all the little faggots into a room together and they create their own prison-style hierarchy and when it's all over, you have some people who hopefully won't shit themselves in the real world.

public school as it exists is essentially glorified daycare for people too young to enter the workforce. it's a direct result of worker specialization. you don't enter an apprenticeship at age 14 to become a cobbler because people are programmers and scientists and shit now. doesn't work.

tl;dr: public school is just fine. it's bullshit, but it serves its bullshit purpose.

>>2559651
>school in general is pretty pointless.
No, it's not.

>you could teach a person in one year everything i learned in twelve, and i was one of the "smart" ones.
That's why we're talking about changes, dipshit.

>but school isn't really about learning. it's about social conditioning. you throw all the little faggots into a room together and they create their own prison-style hierarchy and when it's all over, you have some people who hopefully won't shit themselves in the real world.
So, we'll fix it.

>public school as it exists is essentially glorified daycare for people too young to enter the workforce.
Agreed. That's why, even though studies have shown kids do so much better if you just push homeroom back and hour or two, they'll never do it, because mommy and daddy need to go to work.

I would let foreign students from developing countries such as India to come and study here in America

school system in the USA is massively fucked

i flunked out of high school because the 2 buses i took to school were shit and i had to work

i got my GED, went to CC and transfered to USC where i majored in bio and graduated with a 3.4

now i work in a lab and will apply to grad school

and i fucking flunked out of high school

Stop holding bright individuals back for the sake of the dumb ones. Let the dumb ones fall behind and become consumers.

Great innovation is achieved by individuals, not collectives.

If we homogenize everybody, how can we possibly achieve anything? Someone has to come up with the idea first.

>>2559644

>Students should be graded based on their standardized tests, not homework.

Homework better shows a students diligence and responsibility, rather than intelligence.

It would be a better indicator of what a student knows

But I agree doing that would cause failure rates to skyrocket across the country

>>2559677
The level of thought that leads innovation these days is not possible without a base foundation of all previous knowledge.
The days of the renaissance man are over my friend.

>>2559677
>high school
>only history classes are World in 8th grade, USI, and USII, and AP Euro
>want so badly to take AP Euro (History)
>apply for that shit
>'You can't take this class'
>'Why?'
> apparently students did so badly on the AP tests, it embarrassed the school, so they keep the class on the books, but don't let anyone join it

Fuck you.

>>2559683
Higher education isn't about responsibility though, colleges are becoming overcrowded these days because everyone is somehow able to maintain an above average grade average. Which is paradoxical in itself and can only lead someone to conclude that if the average is now above average then the system of categorizing and grading students is failing.

Kids who don't really know anything take up space and waste the point of higher education. You know, the ones who do nothing but look for sex and party?

>>2559670
One of my friends dropped out when she was 16, earned her GED the next day, went to CC, and had an AA by the time I finished high school at 18.
I just finished CC, she just finished her RN. She's going to start the career she wants, two years before I can, all because she was smart enough to figure out that she was too smart for high school. I stayed because I thought that's what you're supposed to do, get a diploma, go to college, and then get a job. My grades were better than hers, but she was, and is, smarter than me.

>>2559668
>No, it's not.

yes, it is. the whole point of school (outside of social shit) is to train people for employment. it worked fine when there were like 30 different jobs to choose from and chances were you were just gonna end up doing what dad did. but now, every student in a high school can have a completely different career, so what the fuck do you teach everyone?

apparently, you teach the same repetitive bullshit every year. "learn about world war 2 again," "learn about cell structure again," and so on. you can tack on more material, but then it gets spread too thin and the dumb kids won't retain any of it. it's all just trivia anyway. you're only filling time before you're old enough to enter advanced career training.

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>>2559745
>yes, it is.
No, it's not.

>the whole point of school (outside of social shit) is to train people for employment. it worked fine when there were like 30 different jobs to choose from and chances were you were just gonna end up doing what dad did. but now, every student in a high school can have a completely different career, so what the fuck do you teach everyone?
Base skills for when you get to higher education.

>apparently, you teach the same repetitive bullshit every year. "learn about world war 2 again," "learn about cell structure again," and so on.
Which is why we're talking about ways to fix it, asshole.

>you can tack on more material, but then it gets spread too thin and the dumb kids won't retain any of it. it's all just trivia anyway. you're only filling time before you're old enough to enter advanced career training.
No.

>durr, my car has a flat, so it's pointless! Everyone want on your hands to work!

>>2559724
At my school, you're required to have a 3.0 to stay in the major. So there can't be any average students in the major? How can everyone maintain above a 3.0? That doesn't make sense.

>>2559724
>do nothing but party
That's more a lack of responsibility taught by their parents, than it is a failure of the school system. An 18 year old kid, who's never been on his own before, and probably never learned responsibility from his parents, is going to party and go hog-wild.
But, maybe, the school systems should take over the teaching of responsibility, since a lot of parents these days are shitty. There should be a program that requires all high school students to find a job, or volunteer, during the summer months.

>>2559745
You can't possibly KNOW what you want to do with your life until you see whats out there, thus generalized education. The point of school in the modern era has always been about preparing children for specialized work.

America is too advanced to let its citizens all become producers of physical good etc. Our economy has outsourced good old fashioned jobs. The majority of our GDP comes through intellect and ideas, not concrete production and basic labor.

>>2559699

I once as part of parent and teacher program was asked to come up with some recommendations to help lower the amount of gang activity in the school

I went with the usual

Enforce Uniforms to avoid gang colors

More visible security near areas outside the usual area of view where most of the smoking and sex was going on.

Attempt to move around troublemakers so you don't have so many of them in one class.

And use more embarrassing punishments such as having their parents sit in class with them, since it was obvious these gangbanger kids just embraced detention and bragged about it

I was thanked for my time and asked to sign a form saying I agree'd that the only way to help reduce gang violence in the school would be to OFFER INCENTIVES OF KINDNESS, WHERE BLACKLISTED VIOLENT GANGBANGERS WOULD BE REWARDED WITH ANYTHING FROM IPODS/BIKES FOR NOT SHITTING UP THE SCHOOL FOR A CERTAIN TIME

I asked if no one realized how bad a program that rewarded shitty students for acting like decent people as long as they continuously got rewarded sounded

And I kind of got a taste at how fucking assinine the schools really are

>>2559768
My point exactly, its completely ignoring the point of statistical averages. There will always be average students and average scientists. Making the average a B average is an obvious skewing of the grading system.

>>2559761
we're arguing from entirely different perspectives here. you believe that school must exist to serve a purpose for the kids, whereas i believe it is simply the solution to a greater problem, i.e. the adult workforce. there's nothing to fix in my opinion because school only exists to solve the dilemma of "what do we do with all these useless kids?"

look, i know you had a bad school experience. so did i. but improving that experience for kids isn't going to make it any more purposeful. they're simply baggage.

if you want to learn, you can stay home and read a book. that's not what school is for, and the thing it does accomplish (social training), it does very well.

we are on this board now because we failed.

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I'd bring back the trivium and quadrivium for all education before college level. Kids spend too much time learning specific facts but can't put together a logical argument.

OP again.
They should really allow you to begin specialization in High School... as in you take 2 classes in your decision a day and 4 classes in whatever else. You could change it every semester if you felt like it, but you'd still be specialized.

Also, computer science should be added to the curriculum as a core class such as math or biology. Algorithms are fucking everywhere these days.

Get rid of tenure and change teacher pay structure. Instead of slow, steady growth over the years; teachers should have their pay jump every year for the first 8 and then level off. Wind up making a little more in the long run, but with more incentive to take higher level jobs more often.

Every year after 5th grade kids get standardized tests to see if they are ready to advance to the next level in each subject. If you fail you can try again over the summer or repeat next fall.

Allow high school students to switch to a free trade school program at 16. If you want to be a mechanic or a welder then there is no point in you taking adv calc or ap english.

Starting at the middle of junior year of high school your guidance counselor should have regular meetings with students to see how their plans for college are going (if they plan to go at all). Counselor should actual provide advice for what schools are good for you, what grades you need to get in, and make sure you have some plan to pay for it. If you need help with essay/transcripts/financial aid forms these are the people you should turn to. For many this seems silly, but for poor kids from bad homes bureaucracy is something their parents have never taught them how to navigate.

Properly fund a system of government universities. This can be done by either states or feds, but get it done. Money spent developing a new Wal-Mart plaza is wasted. Money spent developing your future work force is invested.

>>2559853
You make some good points there. It may be social training but if you are self educated or educated at home it's not likely you will be able to apply both skills of knowledge and social awareness to the point where it is effective and necessary.

School can't be mainly about social training because places of higher learning (schools, universities, churches, sanghas) are all places that have been proven to be conducive to furthering your own education. When you're at school you're able to apply the ideas you learned with teachers and people in a community that would lead you to realizations or conclusions that would not have been possible had you stuck to yourself.

Reality and knowledge is constructed socially, so knowledge can never really exist without a community.

>>2559880
Some schools do allow this, I believe.

>>2559602
If you can't figure out how to use freaking Microsoft Word or Powerpoint, you're a moron.

>1. Mandatory firearms safety and operation training
All students will learn to be /k/ommandos. Basic gun safety will be taught at an early age. As students get older, they will learn more technical knowledge of firearms- including how to operate and maintain them. This training will be completely integrated into the school curriculum as much as any other subject. Shooting sports should be commonplace in highschools and colleges, perhaps even starting earlier. Once the next generations grow up with an intimate knowledge of firearms, crimes and deaths involving guns would go down.
>2. Mandatory civics and government classes
Starting in grade school, students will learn their civil rights and study the Constitution and operation of the American government. All students will grow up informed of how the government works and what kind of powers it does and does not have. Hopefully, this will increase the number of voters in every election, as well as reduce government abuse.
>3. Mandatory English and foreign languages courses
Students today do not grow up learning how to write, or even speak, English coherently. The study of English grammar should not stop after elementary or middle school. Creative writing should be incorporated into English classes as well.
Students in the United States are also severely lacking in foreign language studies. Children need to start learning a critical language around age 10 all the way through college.
>Cont...

>>2560104
>4. Mandatory comprehensive sex education
This should start at an early age and continue all through highschool. It should not be "abstinence-only," as that has proven to be ineffective.
>5. Improved physical education
P.E. is often taken as a joke or distraction in the United States. We need to emphasize that physical exercise is just as important as mental exercise. Since America is full of overweight students or ones who are otherwise in poor health, comprehensive physical checkups should be performed at least once a year at every grade level to detect problems and measure proper growth (this is how it's done in Japan). The sports and recreation facilities at most schools also need to be upgraded.
>6. Improved home economics courses
Many students graduate from primary school without any knowledge of how to take care of themselves. Students should learn how to cook and prepare healthy meals, as well as how to maintain a clean and healthy living space.
>Cont...

>>2560113
>7. Do not separate "above-average" students from everyone else. Problem students need to be put on different tracks.
Right now, "gifted" students are usually identified at a young age and are separated from everyone else. This is a problem, as most of the best resources are dedicated to the smart students, while the average students are not stimulated enough and develop inferiority complexes. This also leads to intensely competitive GPA farming among top students. All schoolwork needs to be as challenging as the current "above-average" classes are now. Problem students need to be identified early to nip developmental or behavioral issues in the bud. If they continue to be uncooperative, they can go to schools to learn basic work skills or become ditch diggers. You cannot properly evaluate teachers when their classrooms are infested with students who refuse to value their education.
>8. Standardized testing should determine whether students move on to the next school.
Before moving from elementary to middle, and middle to high, students need to be comprehensively tested in order to ensure that they are competent enough to be moved up. There will be no more passing students along in order to hand the problem over to someone else. If the students fail multiple times, they are problem students.
>9. All teachers and administrators need to be armed.
Teachers are responsible for the safety of students during the school day. Those teachers need to armed with defensive firearms in case of an emergency (this is how it is done in Israel).
>10. School should stay in session all year.
Students forget much of what they have learned over the long summer break. Either school needs to stay in session, or students need to be stimulated with educational programs during the summer to keep their minds and skills sharp. More summer programs means fewer kids getting into trouble.

>>2560104
But muh Little Johnny will shoot up the school if he nos who 2 yous a gun!!11

>>2560123
>This is a problem, as most of the best resources are dedicated to the smart students
Where you are, or do you have something to back this up.

>>2560123
I can tell you right now, someone in my family is a curriculum director and money is NOT spent on the smart students. Quite the opposite.
Money is usually spent far too much on the lower intelligence. There can be 2 special ed teachers in a class where there's one teacher. Resources will be diverted such that average and above average students are bound to miss out on a good education.
Too many resources are given to the lower 20%, and the whole class may be diverted just for them.

>>2560125
School shootings happen because schools are legally designated "gun free zones" (thanks to Blowjob Bill). Mass murderers are going to target areas where they know there's no resistance.
>>2560143
I live in Tennessee. This is purely anecdotal evidence, but I took both advanced and standard classes in high school. Usually, the standard classes were just busy work or had subpar teachers.

>>2560188
That's why the bottom-tier students should be identified early and separated from the rest. I'm talking about not separating the best students from the "average," because lumping in the "average" students with the worst students only creates more bad students.

>>2560200
About school shootings, I know, I'm >>2559523
(So we also agree on the sex ed thing) But, like the abstinence only education argument, you're going to run into the same complications.

I had to take a firearms course only when I went to get my hunting licence. I think it's bullshit that anyone can walk into a shop and purchase a gun without some kind of safety course. It should just be a thing taught in schools.

>>2560200
>[Advanced classes have higher budgets.]
>Usually, the standard classes were just busy work or had subpar teachers.

I took so-called "highly gifted" classes for a few years (you had to have a 140+ IQ and do interviews and shit to get in) and my experience was that the budget was identical, the material was very similar, and the workload was arbitrarily increased tenfold. If anything, athletics is where all the money is going, which seems odd to me because free recreation centers are goddamn everywhere.

>segregate the sexes
Boys simply do not concentrate around girls

>All schools boarding schools
Self explanatory

>Discipline.
Run them all as military academies. Boys need lots of exercise and discipline in order to be able to focus as teenagers. Meanwhile girls need discipline because otherwise a girls-only school goes right to hell.

>higher education held to more stringent standards
Cheaper. Only those who pass special exams get in. Harsher grading. If you don't work, you get kicked out. Then maybe a degree will mean something again.

What this country needs is more personal responsibility, damn it. And only a disciplined education produces that.

>>2560255
Speaking of athletics, I don't think they should be a part of school. Ever. At any level.

Rather than school teams, just do 'town/area' teams, like Little League. That way, we don't have anyone going to school on sports scholarships, and we don't have any teachers passing jocks to let them stay on the team.

> ctrl+f
> No kill/segregate all niggers
> You have earned my respect today /r9k/

>>2560242
Well, being a constitutional right, I don't think you should need any education to purchase a gun (that just prevents poor people from obtaining them). However, if we valued firearms education as much as we valued other top subjects, that wouldn't be much of a problem.
>>2560255
When you say "athletics," you probably mean basketball and football teams that under 10% of students actually participate in. That athletic budget should go to benefit the entire student population. Also, making advanced classes nothing but busy work without any increased mental stimulation or difficulty takes the entire point out of advanced classes.

>>2560282

Oh and:

>more competition
Boys need competition to encourage their focus on academics. No participation awards.

>Harsher grading
You get the grade you earn (exceptional effort should count for something, but should not make up for completely failing at understanding the material).

>>2560282
>segregate the sexes

I shudder to think how creepy I would be now if I were never allowed near a female until I went to college.

>>2560295
We're /r9k/, not /pol/

>>2560301
>Well, being a constitutional right, I don't think you should need any education to purchase a gun (that just prevents poor people from obtaining them).
But that's why I think it should be done across the board in high school. At least then you could assume most people at least know the basics of firearms.
You'd never have little Johnny fucking around with a gun he found and shooting his friend.

>However, if we valued firearms education as much as we valued other top subjects, that wouldn't be much of a problem.
Exactly.

>>2560283
Have you even done a sport in school? Or are you just assuming outdated high school stereotypes and cliches that only exist in movies like Mean Girls and Easy A?

The town still pays the taxes. Sometimes there's several schools in a town but each team still has to compete against each other. School teams vs. other schools and help build school pride and competition. Also, jocks that actually have trouble passing tend to not really be that good. Sure, they have a bit of advantage by blowing off homework for more excercise time, but will peak there and will never have the potential of an actual responsible athlete. When I was in HS, all the top students did some form of sports, maybe even breaking school records. The dumb people such as niggers never really go anywhere.

>>2560347
>Have you even done a sport in school?
Yes.

>Or are you just assuming outdated high school stereotypes and cliches that only exist in movies like Mean Girls and Easy A?
Some are truer than you think.

T>he town still pays the taxes. Sometimes there's several schools in a town but each team still has to compete against each other. School teams vs. other schools and help build school pride and competition.
School pride and competition in sports? That's about it.

>Also, jocks that actually have trouble passing tend to not really be that good. Sure, they have a bit of advantage by blowing off homework for more excercise time, but will peak there and will never have the potential of an actual responsible athlete.
So? They can get passed through high school and, if they're a decent athlete, it'll look good.

>When I was in HS, all the top students did some form of sports, maybe even breaking school records.
Not the case where I was.

>The dumb people such as niggers never really go anywhere.
We only had white people at out school, I wouldn't know.

>>2560303

It's not like you would never, ever see girls, just not very much during the school year. There could also be occasional planned events between boys and girls schools. This is the model of upper-class eduction in America pre-70's and it worked well...

>>2560303
oh god, this. i'd be making mixtapes and putting secret admirer notes in girls' backpacks and shit at goddamn age 20. thank god i got that out of the way when the girls were too young and ignorant to file a restraining order.

>>2560396
I would make mixtapes for people and never give them it.

>>2560369
>It's not like you would never, ever see girls, just not very much during the school year.

Trust me. I would not have been around them if they had not been forced to be around me. You assume too much.

I think kids don't really change at their core throughout their whole lives. Aptitude tests when kids are 10 or so. Before they've had a chance to become ruined by society.

Those who get over a certain benchmark that shows promise as an academic will be put into academic school. The benchmark won't be too high but high enough that the deadenders will not waste time learning kiddy French and math.

The deadend school will be a mix of health classes, socialising classes (a mix of discussion based art classes with not much emphasis on doing well but rather just learning how to think and be civil) and learning a variety of trades. After 3 years of trying out stuff the kids will put on courses they choose to learn real skills and get real qualifications.

A similar thing will happen with the other kids with a general academic eduation. A mix of languages, sciences and arts. Kids will then be able to choose a specialising area (so mostly science and maths if that is what they are good at) dependent on the required number for that class and how well they are doing in it after 3 years. Kids will not be placed in years rather in progress. So a 3rd year might still be with 1st years if he a dipshit at which point he will only be able to specialise in some technology focused trade. Arts will be fairly limited in terms of numbers and the emphasis will be on sciences.

Higher education will be state funded provided it is a worthwhile degree (I'm thinking of the British university system not the "I'm American so I do basic math classes when I'm a philosophy major for some reason" way of learning) and you are good at it. So there will be a handful of very gifted state funded art students.

I would always make an effort to modernise the shit people use and to teach real computing skills. Not how to use a fucking spreadsheet. I'd pretty much get rid of hand written stuff. There would also be a massive emphasis on health and exercise.

How could schools prevent students from becoming "that feel when no gf, baww, beta/alpha friendzonelol,"?

>>2560524

Keep them too busy with work to have time to think about girls and bawwing.

Why don't schools put the crazy, antisocial, don't wanna be educated, etc. students in normal sane people classes so that a class full of those idiots doesn't just fester and waste time/money? If they flunk out/get kicked out, too bad, they had the same chance as people who care.

>>2560524
put a girl and a boy together in a room and make them talk to each other. do this every day. rotate the students so they never embarrass themselves too much with one person.

actually, eliminate the gender factor entirely. just combine people and give them a conversation prompt or something. then gradually increase the number of students to three, then four, then five. no assignments or grades or anything. just talking. that would have helped me a lot, i think.

>tfw i realize most people don't need this

>>2560509

I know nobody cares but I feel like adding some. If you were in the trade school you could sit exams to bumped up to academic school if you liked. If you couldn't pass you couldn't get in but you'd still have the opportunity.

I realise I didn't leave much room for the people in between academics and tradespeople. Big careers that need university education such as lawyers and accountants would get picked out of the academic from kids that aren't cut out to be academics but are pretty smart all the same. There would also be a lot of apprenticeship type things instead of university courses.

>>2560565
Because it ruins it for the normal students.
My high school had six fucking grades and less than a thousand students total. We barely had enough students to have an 'Animal Room' class.

>>2560565

You'd be surprised how much one kid can disrupt an entire class and how they can manage it every single lesson they bother to turn up to.

I would make it so teachers are screened more. I had this teacher in highschool whose class was basically arts and crafts. We had to make a art project about something and I asked her if I could just write a paper and she said no. This was a lit class and we just did arts and crafts and read no books.

Also I would like if classes were more college style with all tests and little to no assignments. How does doing worksheets with a book infront of me show I learned anything

>>2560682
>Also I would like if classes were more college style with all tests and little to no assignments.

But then the teachers would actually have to teach. Coming up with lesson plans every day is hard. They got in the game to get summers off, not that shit.

>>2560682
More discussion as well between students and teacher.

Teaching reform?

Personally, I think it's best if you had 2 teachers per class. 1 male, 1 female. This will give the class a more family oriented setting, and one can play crowd control and special assistance while the other teacher teaches the majority of students. This also solves the problem of the majority of k-12 teachers being female, and the female influence coupled with the lack of male role models for youths.

And teaching gets a lot easier too. There's no power struggle between teachers, just a partner system helping.

Being a teacher is really hard alone, I think this would be the perfect solution to education.

More interactive study. Set kids up with something similar to an internship in an area that they are interested in. The way things are now, people are often 3/4 of the way through college before they even have a decent concept of what they will be doing in their career. Give people a chance to see what the real world will be like before commenting to something they don't really understand.

Kids must apply to high schools. If you do well, you can get admitted to a good high school. Do poorly and you will get a school that will go slower or maybe prepare for technical jobs. There is no reason to put everyone together were things move too slow for the smart kids and too fast for the dumb ones and no one actually gets anything out of it.

>>2560736
I think you're too young in grade school/middle school to be making important judgments about where you're going to high school. (see>>2559613)
If you asked me in 6th grade where I wanted to go to high school, I probably would have said the shittyiest one that required the least amount of effort.

Y'know why not just take the best of schooling systems from around the world and dump what isn't useful. Sorta like the meiji restoration. Take what works. Dump what does not.

>>2560682
> has no idea what college is like.

The better courses are the ones with fewer traditional tests/exams

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>Kids have learned today that you can only learn by being taught. This is truly not the case at all. You learn most effectively by nothing more than doing and setting goals for yourself to learn. You wanna learn to draw? It's not about getting a teacher to show you how to do it, it's abou...

...AND THEN YOU WOKE UP!?

If you think the only reason people go to university's etc is because they don't know where to get the information from, and not because they will have access to expensive equipment, resources, have full devotion time, networking opportunities, make new acquaintances etc then your a bigger idiot than I give you credit for.

[SPOILER]WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD JACKASS[/SPOILER]

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>>2560849
MY DAD IS NOT A PHOOONE! DUH!

>>2560773
Fair enough, but that is also what happens to a lot of people in college after spending thousands of dollars. I'm not saying dedicate a lot of time and actually get too specialized though. Maybe one or two classes near the end of HS where you get an industry sponsor to mentor groups of kids on a project. Its not like schools teach anything worthwhile senior year anyway, so might as well make a class that could be both fun and worthwhile.

I just like the idea because I personally had no idea what my actual job would be like well into college. I just choose engineering because I was good at math and science. Turns out my job isn't so bad, but it isn't really like what I was learning in school.

>>2560682
How do tests show you've learned anything?
That's just memorization and recognition skills

>>2559453

Wrong, grades are meant to cause a heavy level of competition. If anything competition should be increased as much as possible.

America got to the moon by competition with Russia, not by some hippy love-in.

Competition drives progress. One book that explores this quite well is Guns, Germs, and Steel. Although China had many of the technological advancements early, they never achieved a high level of power because they did not compete like Europe did.

>>2560104
>1. Mandatory firearms safety and operation training
Well, I don't think it is a wise idea to virtually - because that is what firearms operation training has as result - explain hormon-crazed teenagers how to kill their classmates. That are Columbines waiting to happen. School cannot fix gun-related deaths, only gun laws can do that.

>>2560980
Teachers would actually have to put effort into tests. I really don't remember how dumb I was in high school, but I know I wasn't challenged at all and things could have been a bit more thoughtful. Some examples of how test could be set up where memorizing isn't the primary skill:

English: Write examples of the concepts you are supposed to learn. Analyze a given text and make arguments for themes.

Math and math based sciences: pretty straight forward at first, but eventually they can give problems that combine multiple skills. Possibly even make problems that are a bit beyond the level of what is expected and then grade based on how the students go about trying to solve the problem. If you are memorizing math beyond the basics, the class isn't being taught well.

History: Ask the students to describe why things happen and their impact instead of simply what happened.

>>2561057
Jesus Christ, here we go.

>Well, I don't think it is a wise idea to virtually - because that is what firearms operation training has as result
The result is knowing how to properly store, use, and deal with firearms

> explain hormon-crazed teenagers how to kill their classmates.
No, we're not teaching them this.

>That are Columbines waiting to happen.
No.

>School cannot fix gun-related deaths, only gun laws can do that.
Many a gun death can be prevented with education. Ignorance breeds fear, fear is the harbinger of death.

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>>2560894
I'M AN ADUUUUUUUUUUULT!!!

I cannot believe THIS WAS UNORIGINAL!!!

>>2561057
>nogunz Eurofag detected
Gun laws do nothing to stop gun crimes because criminals don't obey the law. Gun education would cut down on accidental and negligent deaths. Also, if more people learn how to use firearms at a young age, they will grow up with a healthy respect for them and be more likely to own them for self-defense. This would cut down on crime, as no criminal wants to attack an armed victim. When the law-abiding population is armed, crime goes down.

>>2560682

At lower levels, it's important to supply a greater number of assignments to better gauge student ability throughout the year and give more opportunities for intervention and improvement. When you're in college, your mostly on your own, and it's not really the professor's job to ensure you as an individual are being kept up to par. Not to mention that certain things need to be broken down into smaller steps before it becomes natural.

>>2560713

Teaching is actually a pretty demanding job that offers little reward and incentive. Many people judge teachers for being lazy and useless, but more often that not they get burnt-out, overwhelmed, and lack proper resources and funding. There are always bad apples in the bunch, of course.

>>2560282

In my experience, all-girls schools tend to be much more civilized than all-boys schools, which often degrade into a macho locker-room mentality. If anything, there's much less drama in an all-girls environment precisely because there are no boys around for them to attempt to impress, date, judge, be embarrassed from etc.

>>2559567

How many people actually know what they want to major in before graduating high school? Besides that, high schools often still provide essential writing and mathematical skills for basic functioning. Even if you're an engineer, at some point you'll need to write an essay. Social science courses such as government and economics are in theory supposed to inform future voters so they aren't COMPLETELY clueless. (think about how it starts in 12th grade) History also broadens perspective.

>>2559813

Although this is an example of grade inflation, the simple truth is that no one really considers someone with a 2.0 to be an average student. C really means "meeting the requirements barely" while D, theoretically "below average" really means basically a fail.

One of the propositions I would support are removal of D grades; they are not passing grades and are barely worth anything in college.

Create a system that wouldn't fail nikola tesla if he was reborn today.

Schools need to incorporate some etiquette classes.
The kids I went to school with were terribly rude and inconsiderate people, constantly harassing elderly men and women who taught at the same school for 30 years because they love the idea of teaching the kids from their hometown. Some people are just dicks, but I honestly believe a lot of kids don't know how to behave around people in a serious setting because they had good for nothing parents. The only time kids paid any attention or displayed any self control were in IB classes, and those kids are generally from respectable families with strong moral values.

I think it would be pretty useful to have classes actually progress through the years. Maybe the first year is an introductory class to general science with guest lectures from the other science teachers, then you choose the branch you're interested in, and you study only that for a year or two (with summer assignments). It's impossible to get anything done when you get to choose from 6 different science classes every year and because it's organized by grade (instead of class level) they're all introductory classes.

I would abolish public education.

>>2561218

I've never attended an all-girls school, so I couldn't say. I based what I said on what I'd been told by friends who have. However, I attended an all-boys school and there was surprisingly little macho douchery because people were too tired from sports to care and there were no girls around to show off for.

I think generally, both sexes benefit from being in single-sex environments during adolescence becasue there's no one to try to impress / date.

>>2561218
>Teaching is actually a pretty demanding job that offers little reward and incentive.

Fair enough, but that describes almost every job. I get tired of hearing teachers complain about how little they get paid and how hard they work (we heard it constantly in school straight from the teachers' mouths) when the starting pay for a teacher in my state is pretty damn high, plus benefits, plus truckloads of vacation time. Teachers have it damn good despite all their bitching.

Honestly, the hardest thing a teacher deals with most of the time is bullshit from the senior faculty. A shitty principal will make your life a living hell. But again, that's every job.

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>No homework
Because homework makes the bad ones worse, and the good ones better. It's not fair.
>Extend the day by 1-2 hours
Because I know I'd rather stay on school an hour longer than do homework. Also, I'd set up special classes where those who want to attend can, especially for foreign languages and math.
>Put more money in getting actual EDUCATED people to help kids who have a tough time
Because it's obvious that these kids are our future, no matter how pitiful they are now. If we help them, the ghetto will become smaller and poverty will decrease.
>Free school, free college
Everyone has the right to get the education they want, no matter what. I'd put all the money from wars into the school, and viola! This includes free books. Not having free college+books really keeps the poor people out of the party, and doesn't give them the chance to improve their own life.
>Demand more education in teachers
..And make them pass a final exam where they're assessed by multiple teachers who are already skilled and good with kids. There are far too many teachers who are buttasses and don't know their job.
>No school uniforms
It further separates kids through fashion. Also, they look like shit.
>Religious teaching - yes. Religious preaching - no.
Because fuck religion.
>Students have a say in everything that they're involved in
Votings will be often and regular. You can choose not to vote, but it's not really smart.
>Learn kids to think for themselves, and not be like everyone else
Because fuck that.

I can't come up with more shit right now.

Mathematics should not be a separate class from science.

There's no point teaching kids some math formulas if they have no idea what the fuck to do with them.

I'm a Britfag, and these arguments could be made for our education system as well as yours.
>Teach basic rational and critical thinking. How to form arguments. Basic Philosophy and Ethics instead of religious education. You would have a general idea of all religions but you wouldn't go into detail. Philosophy's a handy subject that unfortunately has no place in the world, but can shape your perspective in positive ways. I took a Philosophy & Ethics AS Level during my GCSE's which was great but my only wish was we'd done it a few years sooner.
>Have the equivalent of a citizenship test. All students should be encouraged to follow current political events and learn the how the electoral system works. Unbiased is key here. I was also offered a Government & Politics AS Level but I refused because it sounded boring, and the class never happened due to lack of interest. I wish I had done it now, since I was clueless about politics until about a year ago.
>Earlier sex education. It should not be suppressed but embraced. The Scandinavians educate children honestly and frankly about sex, involving their parents and they come out with the lowest teen pregnancy rates. People being more comfortable with sex would also lower the amount of foreveralone neckbeards.
>Less of an emphasis on memorisation and more on understanding. Maths has a notoriously bad rep amount students when it really shouldn't. I had a great Maths teacher and even the kids who would normally fail excelled.
>English should allow you to pick from a range of classic novels and write essays on analysis of themes and such. The classes should focus on developing analysis skills.
>2nd language classes should be open to all who want them.

>>2561477
>There's no point teaching kids some math formulas if they have no idea what the fuck to do with them.

This. Hell, I'd have kids play chess in math class. Make them design simple house floorplans or machine parts. See who could solve problems in their heads the fastest. Anything but what we actually do.

Math class infuriated me to no end as a child because I'd ask an innocent question like "what is the quadratic formula for?" and they'd respond with "just shut up and do it." Now I realize the teachers probably didn't even know themselves.

>>2561477
But if it was integrated without an actual double period (like that would happen), there would be more bullshit "common standards" to cover and the classes would get more distracted with preparing for the test.

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>>2561477
Math is exactly the number one reason why I said kids should learn by experimenting. All through school, I was taught that basically formulas came from a void. We might as well have been taught that we prayed at the schizm of space and time to grant us its secrets.

When I went to college, and majored in compsci, I learned HOW people got these formulas. I began to explore geometry and became extremely interested in just playing around with shapes to understand why math works.
My first experience was finding a 30'60'90 triangle and why it was what it was. If you do that on your own, You WILL remember it.
It's like those logic puzzles, see pic. It's no fun and not good for your brain to be walked through one, but figuring it out yourself is rewarding and promotes logical thought.

Best part about this is it works for EVERY subject, not just math. Whether it be Art, Filmmaking, Engineering, music, programming... it's applicable to everything!

Increase the standards of courses, make C actually average again. Everyone with half a brain can pull A's and B's if they can be bothered to.

Lol at all these people talking shit about maths, science and homework.

Fuck you guys school is easy if you actually work and maths is incredibly useful pretty much anywhere that actually counts

>>2561609

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what the quadratic formula is for...

It's for finding the solution(s) to a quadratic equation <.<

Fuck bitches, get money.

That's what I would do OP.

>>2561609
You dont get much easier than quadratic formula

>>2562287
But when you're first learning it, "what's it for?" Is a fair question.

>>2562308
You can use it to find the points on the x axis where y=0
Its pretty damn simple
And it can be expanded later with imaginary numbers etc...

>>2561994

That puzzle nearly took me 30 minutes. I hate you and I hate this board.

>>2562665
>>2561994
the German had the fish, right?

>>2560104
In regards to number 2, students need to know about their State's government and their Constitution. Many students do not know that local politics matter these days.

>>2561609

Math classes are not only to learn the material, but also to create more connections between the neurons in your brain. Therefore causing you to think faster und more efficiently. It's been proven that you will lose the "sharpness" of your mind over time after your brain stops growing.
>inb4 go back to /sci/

>>2559683
you arent grading the students diligence and responsibility. you are grading their knowledge of the material.

>>2559777
isnt this pandering to the lowest common denominator what we are trying to avoid? if a child cannot learn from his environment or teach himself some degree of responsibility for his actions then that child is retarded anyways. It isnt the schools job to parent children.

>>2562688
>>2562665
you're right
And yeah, doesn't it feel rewarding to complete that puzzle?

i'd change how schools are funded
I'll speak to the US school system.

our schools are funded with property tax money.
property taxes directly reflect property value
poor people cannot buy expenive houses
poor people cannot then live somewhere where their children can go to a well funded high quality school
so poor kids get a poor education
low quality education means lower paying jobs
poor kids grow up to be poor adults.
schools that don't teach well continue to run because they get funded no matter what.

how do we fix this?
1.fund schools by attendance, not by property value
2. allow parents to send their children to any of the public schools they want, not the one that is decided by their address

how does this fix the problem?
schools that are in poor areas wouldn't be funded less than schools in rich areas. schools that were failing and didn't teach their children wouldn't continue to get funding, and the parents could remove their children from that environment.
will it ever happen?
no, that's far too much change for any politician to stand behind, it rocks the boat way to hard.

Talented people that really want to learn are the most disadvantaged in school.

The problem with most schools is that 95% of the class doesn't want to be there and most of them don't pay attention and then expect the teacher to get them up to speed on the content. Meanwhile the talented people are getting constantly dragged down from what they are fully capable of which is disappointing.

Another thing that makes school less enjoyable to talented students is the lack of engaging subjects. The classes are simply do this piece of assessment and do this homework, which is extremely boring and yet again brings down talented students.

I know I'm going to sound bad right now, but...
>Homework has no effect on grades (possibly a slight effect on participation).
>Grades are based entirely on tests, essays, projects, and participation.

I don't know how many times I have passed every test within a class but still managed to fail due to not doing homework. Isn't homework supposed to prepare you for tests? Why is it that I can obviously know the material, yet still fail for not completing repetitious bullshit that is homework?

Abolish public education. Experimental learning and less structural schools will follow. If a student is a problem, the school will simply let them go. If they refuse so they can make money off the child, the parents of the other children can simply threaten to take their business elsewhere.

make general ed non-mandatory or take trade schools more seriously

id rather take an overloaded schedule of classes that would help me in my trade

fuck writing libtarded essays

> Teachers are not psychologists.

My school district took complete advantage of the
"special ed" program, and to ensure they got federal funding, they funneled me into this program from grades 4-11 where I walked away with a sub-standard education. I finally read the dissertation years later where their reasoning for putting me in the class was because of my weight, lack of friends, and that I played Nintendo on my free time, and this labeled "emotionally disturbed" according to some entry-level bitchy teacher taking self-gratification in her ability to diagnose problem students. You know, not teach or anything. My parents were told to sue the school in order to get me out as a means to keep me in and make money off of me.

It's really dangerous when you give American teachers the same authority as a psychologist/therapist.

School should be just be optional. Why should someone spend 12-13 years in mandatory schooling if there just going to end up working minimum wage.