Fuck Yeah!

Heavy Machine Op here

Yeah I drive bulldozers. I could crush Smartcar and not even notice it.

>I could crush Smartcar and not even notice it.

I don't think those are the brains OP was referring to.

My chef is paid well but he works 12 hours a day six days a week and stresses out a lot.

Fuck yes, I'm going to be a mechanic!

>>2486591

You're right. I wasn't I was referring more to the building trades, where we actually put into practice what engineerfags dream up .

Its all numbers on a page until a tradesperson gets a hold of it

>>2486466
Hey, tradesman. I just figured I'd let you know that the average voltage of a static discharge from oh, let's say a door knob, is about 12kV. I guess it's technically not 'live,' but you get the point. Anyone who knew what the fuck they were talking about would have listed a current.

Just thought I'd share some of them thar EE booklearnins.

Oh, and just for the record, you guys may laugh at us, but the majority of society takes you for granted. I can go "ooh, look at my shiny degree" and people will go "oh, I'm sure he's qualified to do XYZ." You tell them you're a plumber and they'll assume you're borderline retarded. Though, I do respect tradesmen. Sometimes I even display my asscrack while laying out PCBs as a sort of tribute to the brave plunger monkeys.

>>2486608
Hell some people thrive on stress. And besides it more then likely he dealing with pressures that would crush most people yourself included. Next to being a military member involved with combat arms, a top chef has to be one of the most stressful jobs out there.

Carpenterfag here
Moneys good
work is always interesting and changing
Collegefags gtfo I'm making money while you spend mommys and daddies while you go to school

>>2486669
oh no!
i am spending all my mommies and daddies.

I guess if some people are content to be blue collar then that's great...

I prefer something more stimulating, at least for now. Because even if I end up an xray technician or a dental assistant, I can still write my book and be content.

People of the trade are very important to the back bone of society, and we'd be lost without the sheer manual labor that is provided by tradesmen. Dirty Jobs is the ultimate salute to the men and women who do all the dirty work. However, I want to use my head to help people, and while plumbing is a service that helps us all, there are other needs that require advanced knowledge to really work.

The tradesman is important, but no more important then everyone else. We all have our parts to play to make this society work.

we are all valuable
its the mixture of us that makes the world so interesting

>>2486669
Actually it's your taxes that are paying for my college education. Take that bitch.

>>2486715


Yes but if we lost most of you people and your booklearning society could continue with out to much hindrance. I can see the loss of all the worlds carpenters as affecting things more then if we lost everyone with a business or computer degree.

Doctors you are welcome, I see you folks as honorary tradespeople anyhow, all that work you do with your hands and such.

tl;dr I was enough current I was blown back 5ft

>>2486744
I have the feeling you only have your high school degree.

Degrees get you shit more money faster

>>2486730
this thread is now about electricans, the best fucking trades people because they have to think, doing my third yea of my apprenticeship now, was gonna do more work as a residental for a few year but then move into PLC and maybe complete the full engineering deplomas, also contractors of any type charge outrageously for the easiest stuff.

>>2486698
also fuck you, dental assistance is on the same level of retartation of a plumber, since its all practical and a xray technician wouldn't have the mental capacity or know how to fix the damn machine if it broke, you would have to hire a blue collar electrician. dumbass

Unifag here (Majoring in computer hardware engineering) but girlfriend is a plumber.

>>2486622

you obviously don't have any idea what engineers do. we don't exactly call up carpenters to do scale or CAD models. not saying i don't respect the everyday blue collar worker, but you basically wouldn't exist without engineers creating technology for you to fix.

Universityfag here, you know what waiting tables through college made me want to do? Join the USMC, I'm tired of the soft life I want a hard as nails life. Just graduated can't wait to go in... have to get in shape first, should be a fun 3 months.

Long live the proletariat.

>>2486793
I have nothing against tradesmen. My uncle trains electricians at the local school.

I also have nothing against people who choose practical jobs instead of chasing illusive dreams like dental assistants and xray technicians.

I am simply keeping my options open for the time being.

>>2486820
enjoy your bullet enema

Goddamn I wanna be a chef so bad.

I'm a straight male and cooking is my passion. Will I be laughed at?

All I hope is that you enjoy our job as much as I do. Physical labour seems like it can never be enjoyable guess everyone is different.

>>2486761

Well, yes, granted if we lost a few businesses, society at large could still function. But think about it. You lose doctors, who will help the sick? You lose the engineers, who will invest the next breakthroughs in our personal human limits? You lose the musicians, who will tell the tales of the soul or entertain? If you lose the lawyers, who will be your voice in an unjust world? If you lose the scientists, who will understand our world?

I love tradespeople. I think it's great our society has room for people who don't feel the need of high education. But higher education is there for a reason. Neither can be taken for granted.

This is because most people at university are only good at pretending they aren't retarded/their parents made them do it.

electricians are analogous to Visual Basic while electrical engineers are C++. Both are incredibly useful but you have to remember that one was built from the other so more people can use it.

Don't need an electrical engineer to fix a broken socket but the motherfucker can manage a power station is all im saying.

Yeah, that's great.
The toilet is backed up with shit, can you get on that already?
I'll just be over here, reading my favorite books and getting paid to do it.

>>2486802

Correction some of us wouldn't exist. Granted most of us would have a harder time than normal with out you guys. But back in medieval with masons and carpenters, alot of those guys would start out as a basic laborer and then work their way up to architect.

tl;dr. Tradespeople can live with out engineers but engineers would be useless without tradespeople

As a college graduate, I can tell you that OP has a point when he says that degrees will get you nowhere. I have a useless degree and I haven't had a job since I graduated (and I'm a drunkard, too). I'm sure glad that I spent all that money and wasted four years of my life.

Pic is sexy but not related.

>>2486840
do we lol at italians?

then no

the only tradespeople on that list that make as much as someone who didn't major in bullshit are plumbers. And they still get beat out by people who did technical majors or business majors after a few years working.

Now, if you add the cost of servicing debt to pay for private colleges that changes, but, if you pay to go to a private college that's not in the top 50 you're an idiot.

>>2486840
My thing used to be expediting in restaurants so I got to know the chefs and cooks and not a one I ever met was the slightest bit effeminate.

I wouldn't ever want to do that kind of thing as a career though, nursing a drinking and smoking problem, hot-headed idiot uneducated staff, and the stress of the job itself.

Though it probably completely depends on the place.

>>2486840
Only by cunts and closet-fags. Remember: Cooking is a survival skill and a delicious one at that.

>>2486863

except nowadays all architectural blueprints have to be approved by a mechanical engineer.

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>>2486669
Actually, i'm using my mothers whorisness to get the state to pay for it, even though I have two generations o family to help me.
I win.

>>2486863
>>2486877
Protip: Gay cooks are as common as snowflakes in June. They happen, but rarely.

>>2486860
from experience most good electrical engineers would not know how to put in a wall plug in a proper time frame, and visa very with general engineer problem

pissing in an ocean, but here goes

HAHAHA OP COMPLETELY FAILS AT KNOWING HOW ELECTRICITY WORKS. Static electricity is often millions of volts, and most 3 year olds have been stung at least once. Amperage is the killer. Also, 650V is not an AC standard in any country. Highest I'm aware of is (RMS=240V, AC @ 10A, peak 315V). 650V means jack shit without amperage to back it up.

Nice try OP, but there's a reason you're not going to university, it's because you're an idiot. Deal with it.

>>2486907
Of course. To do something both fast and well with any consistency requires practice. This is true for everything.

>>2486907
This is such a stupid argument.

I don't know how to raise and slaughter pigs, but that a) doesn't make pig farming a better job than whatever I end up doing, and b) doesn't mean pig farming isn't important. There need to be people at every level doing their jobs well.

Watching someone go through engineering school is hell right now, so don't think that you can just dismiss all that and no one will notice.

>>2486915

Ah you beat me to it

>>2486928

As an EE major right now, busting my ass for a 2.571 GPA ;_;

I don't care what you do. The only people I am jealous of are the people who enjoy what they do. I wish I knew

>>2486915
It's the volts that jolt and the amps that kill.

If you don't know this you should never be working with a circuit or piece of electronics you haven't seen before. Also, your education (trade or formal) was deficient.

The bottom line here is that soldiers and military folks are better than all of us.

>>2486948
I'm convinced it's up there with one of the hardest majors academically.

BUT AGAIN for any butthurt blue collar faggots, doesn't mean the engineer is better than you or that your work is insignificant.

>>2486915

And you sir fail for assuming OP was talking about household voltages.

Electrician here, I work with cruise ships. our basic form of electricity is 440V AC @ 100A. OP probably works with something similar. I myself was shocked by our main line once, it hurt like a son of a bitch and thew me back quite aways as well, but it didn't pass through my heart so I am still alive.

Just so you know I am laughing at the tradespeople here who think they are better then engineers. People with law degrees yes, engineering degrees, no. (Unless its civil engineering, my friends in electrical engineering tell me everyone laughs at them.)

>>2486969

aero major here. at my school we laugh at the industrial engineers. the civils are okay.

>>2486968
This.

Pay is determined by how unpleasant the job is (and yes mentally difficult is considered unpleasant by the general populace) , how hard it is to replace you (supply/demand), and what else you could be doing (ignoring this reality being the reason that American schools which don't have significant variation in teacher pay by subject can't get good math and science teachers for the most part).

>>2486969
honest question, how did you manage to get onto crusie ships, already there from apprenticeship or just managed to find right connections?

I'm an elevator inspector. Not really a trade, but the pay is good.

>>2487010

how the fuck did you land that job

Computer Engineering here. My thoughts on this matter are simple: if I can figure out how to perform your function within a few hours, your job isn't that "good."

>>2486907
Installing a wall socket is easy. Now, if I had to make sure I was doing it all to code, yeah it would require a bit of research first.

>visa very
You mean "vice-versa?"

>>2487018
Got certified then hired.

>>2487025

Did you just think to yourself one day "I'm going to be an elevator inspector?"

>>2487025
How do you go about this? That's what is being asked.

>>2487036
I heard a radio story about a man who was trapped in an elevator for 2 days and I thought to myself, "how horrible that must have been."

Since I was unemployed at the time I decided to become an elevator inspector and do my part to lessen elevator related accidents.

>>2487047
Any cool elevator-related stories?

>>2487047

That is fantastic. Fuck busting my ass to be an engineer, i'm gonna go inspect elevators.

>>2487055
Some niggers threw a burning christmas tree down a shaft in some projects one time.

>>2487056

you could install elevators as a mechanical engineer. I had to get an elevator installed for a building and the guys said they're always looking for more engineers.

Was going to become a machinist/engineer (american millwright) but realized it is fucking noisy, dangerous, dirty work (not so much the machining, but other general work which I would have to endure for a large amount of time before doing all machining). I enjoy machining and understand the skill required, but something about the people around me put me off, some were fucking dumb, brutes, you know...
Myself, well, I was always told to use my brains before brawn so figured that although I'm not going to 'college" to get a degree in something heady I can still get something that requires a little less physical labor.
Planning on doing a course in CAD, drawing plans, models etc. Not artsy stuff, just technical drawing and the associated work. A nice in-between I figure.
Doesn't require you to be really smart, but there is a certain level of skill involved.
Will see how it goes.

Fuck it if it all falls over I'll pick fruit for a while.

Programmer-dropout here, didn't spent a cent on my education(it's free here). But I dropped out from economics university and I think it was a good decision. Now I live in my own apartment have a good job, but I feel kinda uncomfortable, because all of my colleagues have at least master degree, though I earn more money. I'm thinking about the distant education, something with combination of knowledges and reputation.

>>2486840

You'll be laughed at, but only because being a chef is one of the hardest jobs out there, probably second only to fighting in a war.

>>2487076

Where are you from?

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>>2487125

Philadelphia. They asked me to give them a call when i graduate if i was interested haha.

tradies only use common sense after they have learnt their trade, they don't need to think abstractly or put their mind to serious work often. I respect tradies, fuck, they make more than me, but anyone who is going into uni for arts is an idiot.

fuck im drunk

But using your brains means thinking abstractly, you have to be worried about the outcome otherwise you are just going off things you learnt. Tradies barely stretch their brains compared to high end programmers or scientists, though that is not to say they couldn't.

Things are so different in the US. Where I live plumbers, electricians and engineers are the poorest people around. So are doctors and teachers. $200 a month, lol.

>>2487220
haha wtf, i spend 7 hours a day on the net at work and make 700 AUD a week

you must be lying

>>2487220
so...why would you spend 8 years in school, 3+ years as an intern, and leave school over $100k in debt to become a doctor when you'll end up only making $200/mo?

your country either has really shitty doctors or has a vast shortage of them.

>>2487233

I live in a post-soviet country. Free education, free university education, even, free health services and then the government pays them for work and it's the same as welfare. This is why you get so many immigrants.

Actually many of people go to university and go on to good things and good jobs. A large bulk however move into useless industries like "management" (people who study business management at university are like black single mothers in the corporate world) marketing, media and other such bullshit jobs which really only exsist as a reward for doing your duty and passing state exams and paying taxes. It's like the current talk about union labour costs being too high for auto makers to compete. You could cull the entire corporate structure back to a handful of actually warranted and useful people and save money that way. Unfortunately that would mean a whole lot of useless bastards going through higher education have no reason to continue par taking in the state education scam.
I work minimum wage and sell drugs and I'm doing sweet.

>>2487260


Their education is free. And yes, we do have shitty doctors. They are all permanently depressed.

>>2487187
I greatly respect people who get degrees in engineering, sciences or medicine but if you're getting some bullshit degree just so you can work a crappy job in a cube farm then you can kiss my ass.

Thats how I feel about it anyway.

My mother has an Art degree. She's in her sixties and is stuck in dead end retail and expects me, someone who is working IT (consultation and working under a private firm) to support her.

It's not that college is bad or a waste of time (unless you go to a university, which you'd better be fucking going to if you're becoming an engineer, physicist, doctor, lawyer, or another specialty field) it's just people make dumb choices on their majors, they don't think about a realistic goal, just whatever is easy and sounds good. You either have the lazy shits who want some easy degree that will land them retail jobs for the rest of their lives, or you get the people who try to make a hobby or passing interest their major (instead of a minor!) or you get people who are only majoring in something because it's what mommy and daddy want. The rest are people who know their shit going in. Most people are good with junior college, university is overkill. Going to a major ivy league school to become an accountant? enjoy having your descendants paying off your loans. that is, if you can get laid as a bean counter.

TL:DR version:
The difference between tradesmen and people with a degree is that the tradesmen will be stuck in the same position, same pay, for the rest of their lives unless they manage to break into business ownership. People with good degrees will be the ones at the tops of the companies that hire the tradespeople, making the real money from the hard work of the tradespeople. The lawyers, the doctors, the CEOs, etc.
In short: don't knock college because you're a fucking lazy ass. Most junior colleges actually have courses to help you get certified in your trade as well.

ITT: blue-collar faggots are saying "haha we could live without programmers fine" not realizing that their payroll software was written by a collegefag programmer, and without it they couldn't get PAID

>>2486698
My girlfriends a dental tech. Dropped out of high school. On the job training and what yanks would call "night school" job related schemes ftw.

>>2487220
The hell, I haven't even graduated yet and that's only two days pay. Hell, I'm underpaid for what I do to begin with.

Shit sucks for them I guess.

>>2487287
NO. We would get paid in fucking CASH and could cheat on our taxes much fucking easier. Fucking thanks a lot you dip shits. More education creating more useless jobs and waste.

Thank you for this thread /r9k/. I probably failed out of college this last semester, but refuse to look at my grades out of fear. You've given me inspiration. I don't really care to be a millionaire, and have no qualms about doing manual labor. Maybe I'll be a plumber or something.
Looking at those grades now...

Not everyone's cut out for hard physical labor. And trades jobs are generally for highschool dropouts.

>>2487287
Alright, I'm a programmer and I've gotta say: people got paid before we had software. Nothing wrong with ledgers, even if they are a bit featureless. I guess the same goes for cars and communication, but those are a bit more dependent.

Actually an ATM is probably the best example of something these dumbasses take for granted.

>>2487286
What I said. University degrees are societies way of repaying you with easy money for doing nothing for having obediantly towed the line. Thats why even though most CEO's are more morally reprehensible than most drug dealers, we have to let them slide.

>>2487023
i'm drunk, also alright maybe a bit of an over simplification, maybe running main to the country certain standards or etc etc, but then again its only cause engineers wouldn't be asked to do it that often, also all you need is a good pair of plyers, a flat blade screwdriver and jiprock saw for residental these days

>>2487301
You are probably to old to be a plumber now. It's like a 4 year apprentischip. Fuck knows why, it's so easy a mongoloid retard could do it. Fuck, a few of those "dummies" or "complete idiots guide to" books eliminate the need for most tradespeople (yes, IT nerds, you are tradespeople. In fact, you are probably a rung below them, and a rung above call center workers) if only you had large amounts of time on your hands.

>>2487335
Fuck you buddy, I'm 20. It's never too late to be a plumber.
I'm still in, by the way. On academic probation.

its a big cliche but if you enjoy your job then that's all that matters

and mechanics shouldnt laugh at joe blow paying $150/hour to replace a water pump. if everyone knew how to do that shit themselves then you would be unemployed.

The only degree that wows people is a medical degree. Thats it. Everyone else is just another form of ceritification. Plumber or Engineer. You may earn more at one job or the other (although I know a lot of plumbers and tradespeople pulling in over 250,000 a year and plenty of accountants working part time in retail to support themselves fresh out of uni) but your still all just...workers. If you want social standing, you just need money, it doesn't even matter how you make it. Other than you can go the fame route. I mean, you can be a good looking guy and a fully qualified engineer, and chicks would probably still rather fuck Chris Tucker, whose ugly and illiterate.
tl;dr MOST university fags and blue collar workers are different sides of the same cheap ass coin.

22 year old Belgian Industrial Technician here.
I keep a factory running that produces around 6.500 tonnes of pralines a year. (4.500 tonnes seafruits)
I've got to keep around 77 different machines up and running and i've only got 3 other colleagues.
I only did 7 years in highschool but i can fix anything ... electricity, pneumatics, hydraulics, PLC, HVAC (heating, ventilation, airconditioning), plumbing , welding, CNC machines and other special cutters, i also can do a bit of electronics.
I've got a wage of 2.800 euro simply because i'm a jack of all trades and can fix about anything.
It's also very hard to find technicians who are willing to learn all that.
Being able to fix almost anything myself saved me shitloads of money and more importantly TIME (can't fix my car tho :3 )

Ask Charlie from the chocolate factory anything ;)

>>2487379
I know how to fix most things on my car. I don't have the tools and time. Thats why I go to a mechanic. But thats also why I only pay the bare minimum instead of having some guy rip me off like they do with most white collar losers.

>>2487385
what the hell is a seafruit?

>>2487382
who gives a fuck about social standing this is the 21st century not the goddamn dark ages

just wait till we start building the robots, that will work for free and all hours without unions or needs for breaks....

I'm about ready to drop out. My only fear, other than not having enough money, is that I'll never meet anybody to settle down with if I'm not at a university. All the good chicks are there. I'll be stuck with stupid fuckers otherwise.

>>2487436
Yeah, and then they'll take over the GODDAMN WORLD. AND THEN WHERE WILL WE BE!?

>>2486840
Laughed at?
You will get them ladies like you were made of honey.

>>2487436
At which point I'll become a bounty hunter. Someone has to stop all those rogue robots.

>>2487484
The analogy is pretty fitting, because fatties love honey

Blue collar workers....... LOL. I guess it's good to have pride in what you do though.

>>2487400
Rough translation from dutch.
Filled up chocolates that look like stuff that comes out the sea.
The whole world buys this simply because it is "Made in Belgium".
Pic related, it's our best selling overpriced product.

Educated persons are sort of like southern-californians - we don't realize there is a dichotomy until those of you who feel unappreciated point it out to us!

I'm thinking of becoming a physics major. It doesn't pay the greatest and it's hard but at the end of the day I could respect myself. Besides, the only thing I'm any good at is math.

Anyone who laughs at me for going to college can eat a dick. I'm doing what I want and I'm enjoying myself. Some people may find sitting at home and reading the manual to a graphing calculator to be weird, but I enjoy it. To each his own, I guess.

>>2487506
Those are extraordinary.

Where can I buy them?

if I was blue-collar I would be pissed off by the auto industry workers, because they call themselves workers when they really just push a button and a robot does the work for them or they screw on a bolt. awesome jobskills, why does your union think it can demand anything again?

>>2487286

OP here. This is what I was actually getting at, people being certified at a trade and being useful to society, as opposed to getting a useless degree. In fact that was almost exactly what I wanted to say, but I was slightly drunk when I wrote the first post, and I've sobered up since then.

my highschool literally frowned upon trades, even college. for some fucked up reason they wanted to get as many people as possible to advance into Uni, and ya know what? a lot of those people dropped out. Trades is the way to go, especially an aprenticeship, because you make money as you work.

the pnly problem is the upper eschelon is reached early, and there isn't really room too advance one you hit your 10 years. you're making your 75k, additional OT hours, but you won't make 6 figures unless you run your own company.

The generation that makes hating intelligence so cool right here. Waste all your teenage years on parties and 'being cool', become a plumber in later life and feel good about fixing toilets for people richer than you by lying to yourself and others.

My dad is a lawyer who makes $750 an hour and my mom is a doctor who makes $700 in 15 minutes... if all she does is some basic work.

Fuck all you ditch diggers.

>>2487758
And what, exactly, do you do?

>>2487783
Full time student of course.

>>2487758

I missed what it is you're exactly good at.

>>2487783

Well I'm a trust fund baby of course. Who needs to work when mommy and daddy can pull all the strings? All you fags with your "elbow grease" and "sense of dignity." I'll have a real sense of dignity staring you down with my D&G Glasses, while listening to my new 3G iPhone, hooked up to my bitchin' BMW.

Cold as Ice, Baby.

trades workers are truly pig disgusting.

I seriously cannot think of something that would horrify me more then a blue collar job. I am so thankful that I had the fortitude, work ethic, and smarts that allowed me to succeed in university; thus, preventing me from joining the underclass.

I really laugh, when I view threads such as this; people trying to justify their mediocrity in life by attacking their betters, is fucking pathetic.

>>2486840
Bitches will be all over you.

where do sciencefags, economists and academics fit in all this.

i mean, they are pretty much ivory tower intellectuals who couldn't survive in the real world.

Then again, they are paid many jewgolds because their knowledge in useless areas is specialized beyond reckoning.

Hey OP what do these trades people earn? Carpenters, electricians, plumbers, mechanics, and millwrights? Whats a millwright anyway, fuck.

i am going to grab a ccna and ccnp along with a few other certs. since i am working with routers i must use a keyboard alot so i am using my hands and i have to understand wtf i am doing so i am using my brains. thats like a trade right? plus i might have to get down and dirty with some cable running.

>>2489812
CCNA is pretty useless eh. I was forced to take the course in the army (information systems OPERATOR) and after I got out I found it wasn't worth shit.

If you want to get a certification go all the way for expert and specialist level e.g. CCIE

Are computer programmers tradesmen?

Student vet reporting in

If I go about my day, thinking about what I could do to make a contribution to society, sometimes I'll think "Oh, I should shovel the sidewalk, that might help some old lady" or whatever. Then I realize that would be a waste of my above-average intelligence and education. It would be a disservice to my fellow man to waste my time shoveling ice when any monkey could do it.

So, on my walks on campus, I have to remember, I'm there to do research and to teach, the grounds people are there to make sure my older professors don't slip and break their necks.

People contribute in the best way they can.

meh, i've done tradeswork and while it's rewarding to know that you made something with your own hands, can fix your own car, wire your own house, etc., it's nicer to be paid thousands of dollars more for doing way less work.


to each his own.


also, troll thread.

>>2489791
They stay in academia.

Got a Masters in History? Congrats! You can now teach History! Woooooo~

>>2489886

Yes it is, I am however awarding the OP with a

10/10, seeing as how it took so long for some one to say it.

I want to be an architect. In theory.
What way shall I do that?