4chan & /b/ are 2 very different things, GTFO to /b/ queer

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(*) when people posted without fucking lurking.

(*) when people on /b/ actually became offended when i told them to kill themselves.

(*) mainstream exposure via news and magazines.

4chan doesn't have cancer, /b/ doesn't have cancer, change =/= terminal illness

>>2485284
Which is why I said 4chan instead of /b/. You don't think that the quality of posts in "your favorite board here" has gone down over the past "insert time period over a year here"?

I think it was when 4chan became "cool"

Way back when I first found this place, it was a bunch of other shutins making hilarious OC, and being shutins. Now, all the shutins are gone to greener pastures, or grew up and stopped being shutins.

All we have now are insecure teens asking for help, women who are allowed to camwhore and called "beautiful", and Brosephs giving relationship advice.

>>2485303
I agree, but most people seem to equate that change is bad.

When child porn became unpopular. When gore wasn't funny or edgy, it was a normal everyday thing. When I could easily find cat torture by hitting F5 no more than five times. When hurting people became more than something that just happened because people happened to have nothing better to do and got on all at once.

I think /b/ should be renamed to /xD/. That would make a lot of people leave.

lkj
>Gentlemen, what do you think is the cancer that's killing 4chan?

lol, killING

try past tense newfag

>>2485330
Hetero consensual sex in the missionary position.

That scares a lot of people.

>>2485330
>When I could easily find cat torture by hitting F5 no more than five times.

I meant to say when I could no longer easily find cat torture by hitting F5 no more than five times. Now any post that even hints at cat torture is sage bombed and filled with PETA-fags.

That's when it began to go downhill.

when OC disappeared

4chan used to be the realm of some of the most interesting people in the world. It was the source of a large amount of internet culture in the past. It opened my mind, made me who I am today, and provided years of entertainment.

Eventually its growth and increasing popularity caused it to collapse and lose what made it worthwile in the first place. Now 4chan is just a bunch of underage b&, stoners, hipsters, and other sorts of boring normalfags. Nothing here anymore you wouldnt expect to see on any 'TEEN DISCUSHUNS' website.

the niche-est boards are still somewhat decent, though they no longer entertain the dedicated userbase or spawn any original content like they used to

>>2485330
Your attitude itself is the cancer. Thinking gore makes you edgy is nothing more than snobbery without just cause. Yes it's fun to fuck with people but becoming a super dick who thinks he's Jesus over it is dumb.

4chan's only gotten better since ive been here (in b4 newfag, been here since the end of the last school year). The only problem I can see is all the fucking gross gore dumps and dickgirl shit. I'm sure once our community has more members, like digg, it'll all be better.

>>2485295
Before you go blaming underageb&s, let me remind you that moot was 14/15 when he borrowed his mom's credit card to pay for the server space to create 4chan, and announced it's creation on the something awful forums.

/b/ was not always this bad, but most of the /b/ oldfags have fled to some other boards. /r9k/ and /v/ seem to be the usual oldfag hangouts.

But basically mindless use of memes grinded /b/ into cancerous dust. Not just posting without lurking enough to understand the origin of the memes, but also people who lurked and understand the memes but have no actual fucking sense of humor, and end up replying on reposting DESU PEDOBEAR DSFARGEG HARBL over and over again in lieu of real humor and originality.

Don't shed any tears for /b/ today. What once was at least tolerable is now so far infected that there is no going back. It sacrificed itself so that the rest of the 4chan boards could live without having to worry about chemo treatments every day.

>>2485406
God damnit, I said that backwards too? Sorry, I've been drinking.

4chan was good when:
When gore wasn't edgy, people just posted it and had a good laugh. Nobody thought it made them badass.

Did I get it straight this time?

- people stopped caring about lurking more
- 4chan died

>>2485418
And moot was obviously the exception.

The problem is with underageb& who refuse to lurk IRL and come to post about their lives and problems and girlfriends or lack thereof.

This is not livejournal, or facebook. I came here to see gross shit, and read funny things, not wipe some tweens ass for them and pat them on the back.

4chan sucks because people found out about it. This happened because of people that live their real lives like the internet and spout memes constantly.

>>2485430
yes you did it right
>>2485395
The underaged aren't the problem but rather the 20 something insecure racist college kids who think they're gods of the world because they can namedrop an old time philosopher.

/b/'s fight club mentality otherwise known as the LEE-JUN CHANGE THE RORLD RON POL /b/ type faggots

the pretentious dickfucks on /r9k/ ruin it, too.

i know the story, its sad but true

"/b/ used to be a realm of the elitists, the clever, the guros/pedos, and a healthy mix of excellent shoopers. It is where a large portion popular memes and images across the internet in the past few years originated. Now it's just full of stupid teenagers who just come here to try and find more phrases they can sprout to their other stupid teenager friends so they can have a circlejerk with each other about how cool they are because they've heard of longcat."

that was 4chan death part 1. It was at least still thrashing to keep alive. Good stuff may have been buried in crap, but it was still there. Then, around the time of scientology protests, 4chan simply just became so mainstream and popular it lost all of what made it 4chan. Today its basically Digg.

I havn't been here long. My friends pointed this site to me 2 years ago, and I've been browsing with increasing frequency.

Now that I think of it, am I part of the 'cancer killing 4chan?' I appreciate the serious and earnest discussion that does goes on with anonymous here that some people chose to take part in, and eschew away from 'troll threads.' I enjoy watching anonymous people help each other and share ideas, which may not be the point of being anonymous.

Maybe I'm on the other half of the cancer spectrum; there are the people that mindlessly propagate un-amusing memes etc., and there are people that take 4chan for its forum properties.

Hell, I should just become a 'tripfag' or find another forum...

I agree with several posts.

It's like if you have a little bit of this really awesome grape kool-aid, but then your little brother or some shit knows you have kool-aid and pours water in it, diluting the small but high in quality kool-aid for a larger amount of 'meh' quality kool-aid. You know?

I just visited /b/ for the first time in about half a year. At first I though /r9k/ was starting to get bad, but now I realize how good we are doing compared to those faggots. Apparently, everything and anything is a troll on /b/, no matter what. Also, every poster is underage b&.

>>2485477
hell no nigger

what do you think, 4chan is SUPPOSED to be meaningless 2-word meme posts? On the old /b/ it was common to see huge, huge threads of actual conversation. Meaningful conversation & helping between anons has never been a bad thing.

You prove the point about underage b&. Moot does a shitty job administrating this site. Anything good that has come to this site has done so in spite of his leadership not due to it.

Quoting afterwards due to shitty robot.
>Before you go blaming underageb&s, let me remind you that moot was 14/15 when he borrowed his mom's credit card to pay for the server space to create 4chan, and announced it's creation on the something awful forums.

4chan doesn't not have a "cancer" that is killing it. Sure, it's got alot of annoying underageb& posts in it which are annoying (Much like the OP...) but it's always had it since it had more than double figure 'users'.

4chan is not a secret club, therefore it will attract alot of numptys, just like EVERY other site.

Want some proof? Have a look through the 4chan archive. Every single thread will have at least one sag and at least one person saying that the topic is the cancer that's killing 4chan, even though the thread was successful / enjoyable to read.

Luckily we have /b/ to occupy the brunt of the underageb&'s. /r9k/ is "cancer" free compared to that place, and no relationship threads aren't "cancer" on /r9k/, those fuckwits that don't know how to ignore / scroll past a thread they don't like need to go back to /b/.

Is /r9k/ similar to the old /b/?

>>2485553
no. too many tripfags and relationship threads

>>2485546
op here, I assure you that this thread isn't one of those "<--LOL THE CANCER THATS KILLING /B/", my logic behind creating this thread is as follows: People's perspective on the website itself is determined by the point of entry. People who joined later (post "chanology" and the Scientology raids) are used to the faggotry in /b/, and presume its the norm. People who joined before "raiding" like on habbo hotel and what not, know what /b/ was capable of, and what it shouldn't be used for.

It was just some food for thought really, I was curious who thought what and what not.

>>2485536
Poster from your quote again

I agree that underageb&s are retards (we all are at that age), but that's not the real problem - there are plenty of 20-something idiots on the internet too.

The real problems are:
1. Bad moderatorship - the bannings just trailed off
2. The userbase and speed of the board grew so quickly that the current moderation staff couldn't reasonably be expected to keep up with the pace of the board, which feeds back into 1

At the end of the day /b/ fell prey to bad mods. It's too far gone to reclaim now. Just be glad we have other boards that are still quality. /r9k/ isn't old /b/, but it has some nice things about it, and the fact that all the faggots in /b/ are too busy fucking themselves means we can enjoy it in peace.

I was going to type "All the faggots in /b/ are too busy typing DESU again," but honestly, whens the last time you've seen an actual 4chan meme in /b/, beyond shit like caturday? It seems like the userbase has changed to much that the current /b/ posters have absolutely no conception of what old /b/ was even like.

>>2485571
Relationship threads, sure, but tripfags?

Honestly, I don't even notice them unless they are a drawfag, and even then they're not trying to attention whore, so whats the big deal? I understand the logic behind an imageboard is 100% anonymity, but still, the namefield wouldn't be there if that were always true.

>>2485553
old /b/ - lonely college dropouts reach out for lolicon

/r9k/ - lonely college students reach out for companionship

What 4chan needs is some proper moderation, giving idiots a 24 hr ban will make them think twice about posting shite. As it stands, anything can be posted with no repercussions so alot of underagb&'s get to stay around and spoil things for the rest of us.

>Before you go blaming underageb&s

They are the main problem. I know for a fact that large groups of underagers browse 4chan - by the way they write posts and the fact that alot of other internet forums where you know / can see how old they are talk about how "lulz" 4chan is.

>>2485330

Typical underageban responce, if you really wanted gore you could find a site/forum dedicated. You're the sort that likes to post random pictures of gore in threads that you don't like because you think that makes you hardcore and cool.

>>2485441

There wouldn't be a 4chan if noone found out about it.

>>2485309

Maybe spend less time on the internet? You sound like you spend you're life browsing 4chan and have seen every post/picture/joke. How ironic that posting about nothing original being posted on 4chan is itself very unoriginal.

>>2485635
Again, the problem really isn't underageb&s, because 20-somethings have the capcity to act just as retarded. The problem is that the mods stopped weeding out the idiots. I remember tking him 2da bar| being the example of a complete idiot; now you can go on /b/ and find shit like that everywhere.

>>2485661

The only thing mod's do is remove CP threads.

I swear moot is the only admin, we need more (User was banned for this post)

>>2485590

>It's too far gone to reclaim now.

Give me mod powers and a day to learn whatever language this imageboard is written in. I'll write some moderating scripts. That'll be the end of anontalk, the javascript images, and other spam bots. Then I'll make sage do something.

>Just be glad we have other boards that are still quality.

I don't know which boards that applies to. /r9k/ was cool for about a day or two. Then roulette threads and it only went south from there. /k/ still doesn't have moderation. None. Zero moderators. I've given using the sage bot I wrote.

Delete bad threads regularly and ban everyone in them and you'll fix a large portion of your problem. The problem is moderation is not consistent. Moot only comes here like every 6 months. When he does it always goes something like this.

Create a sticky and a news post about how you're back for good and shit's going to change.

Watch as you get over 9000 replies to your sticky from dick riding faggots.

Ban a few people to try and show you mean business.

Get bored and leave for another six months.

>>2485661
lol u tk him 2da bar|?

checkingformodsblox

Nightmare Mode: Well I'm pretty new to 4chan and was wondering if /b/ was always so juvenile and shallow. I like many other 20-somethings came here because when I heard of it I loved the idea of the anonymity and free flowing ideas and jokes and truly pure communication. But all I've seen of /b/ is a ton of racist, repetitive, mindless fuckin babble. You can tell that a ton of people aren't really developing anything. I haven't seen one real conversation or people developing ideas together. /r9k/ seems pretty cool and I feel this thread is at least going somewhere as far as figuring out how 4chan is changing.

I don't know how it used to be but change happens and as long as some boards here can maintain whatever culture that has been long term around then it won't die. I know it might take awhile but the kids in /b/ will eventually bore of the meaningless shite, or something else will take away their mass attention.

idk my percepton is that nothing is "killing" 4chan persay but the people who have been hoestly involved in the community need to hold it down on a different board for awhile and possibly develop some plan there.

Communities are made of people no matter where they are located.... People make communities

what's killing 4chan? metathreads about cancer

>>2485741
/hr/ is very good and has had nearly constant quality for the last 3 years I've been there. It may have actually gotten better, since the memes from then aren't posted anymore at all and there's less shit talking now.
Also last month or so mods began deleting shitty threads regularly, so the board doesn't even have 10 pages all the time.

4chan will be reborn by killing itself, and the loop will continue.
/ thread

>>2485415
people like this.

>>2485918
Look, there is no fucking 4chan community. I like this place because I can come here and speak my mind without having to deal with the bullshit you get on normal forums.

That is what makes 4chan so great. You don't have the expectations, norms and mod/senior member cocksucking you get at other forums.

This is just my opinion but it really started to go downhill when people started trying to build a community here. When you perceive that there is a community certain paterns of behavior and opinions become looked down on and discouraged.

Sense of community is what is really killing the site.

>>2485741
Again, it's not the underageb&s that are the real soruce of the problem, as lots of 20-somethings are also idiots. It's the fact that the moderation hasn't done anything about it.

Most of the other boards are good. I post /v/ mainly, which gets a lot of off-topic (tripfag circlejerks) and fringing-on-off-topic (video game-related hentai), but overall it isn't so bad. There's a good mix of quality threads in there too.

/r9k/ isn't so bad if you don't mind pesudo-intellectuals debating shit and ronery

I've been to /mu/ before, and it seems allright. You need to have thick skin about the music you like though, especially if you don't like mainstream college radio bullshit or indie neutral milk hotel kind of bullshit.

/fa/ is interesting sometimes, albeit full of snobs, and it moves slow enough that you can actually post something, go to sleep, and then wake up in the morning and read what replies you got

/h/ probably has the best moderators of all the boards actually, along with a userbase that backs up the rules instead of stepping all over them. Their general rule is that requests go in /r/, and unless you post a bunch of content to go along with a question you have, then you are requesting. (Also, /d/ material goes in /d/)

/sp/ is a bunch of cool dudes, too. Surprinsgly it's free of the TUFF GUY stereotypical shit you'd think a board full of sports fans would bring.

Not to say that every board is good. /gif/ has got the cancer really hard, although it's still not as bad as /b/ - every post is either a repost, one post of content followed by SAUCE SAUCE DERP DERP, or both. /hc/ suffers from the same problem, although sometimes you'll find anons there who will actually provide rapidshares to material.

Newfags that fail.
Newfags that win are the cancer fighting the cancer.

Different boards have various problems. Throughout all of 4chan, it's the underage kids that are the largest part of the problem. On /r9k/, muteblocking is a big problem. On /b/, it's the fucking "ANONYMOUS IS LEGION LOL" attitude. Fuck you, 4chan is not some super secret club. It's a fucking imageboard.

Oh, are the protestfags still doing their thing? If so, they're part of the cancer, too.

14 year olds, ED idiots, and generally people that have come from other large internet communities.
In order of importance, there may be some overlap.

>>2485272

4chan used to be a site where people who loved animu but are not weaboo enough about it hanged out.

It only started to suck when so-called "normalfags" came in and seriously believed that a good number of us here hate anime and whatever shit came from Japan. Since they're "normalfags," they bear this superiority complex and thus shit up other boards by bragging about how normal their lives are when there's no actual reason to talk about in the discussion beforehand.

That, and ACTUAL weeaboos coming to this board (i.e, dumbshits from Gaia Online).

>>2486013
>senior member cocksucking you get at other forums.
Yeah, because, oldfags don't think they're superior human beings.

I truly think that the problem is oldfags using all their time to complain. So everything is left to the hands of newfags that show what they have seen in the time they've been here.

Well, but I'm only some newfag that got here neither from raid information nor from any other way that isn't accident.

anyone saying underage b& isn't the problem is underage. back in the day, some dude got banned for posting like 10 minutes before his 18th birthday, nowadays we have threads full of
"ok so i m 15 and i wnt 2 hav sex how do i get my rents out of da hous?"

of course the number 1 problem is that there are more people encouraging this shit than admonishing it, and fucking faggots get told they're morons and should stop posting and die in a fire, and they wear it as a badge of honor because they're unique special snowflakes and they can post whatever they want.

bitches need to be put in they're place

The newfags who joined up after watching that segment on fox news. They actually believe that whole "ANONIMOOSE IS LEEJUN" shit. They are the reason for the fail "raid" on the CoS.

4chan's probably started when Anonymous became a cult instead of a lack of a cult.

Anonymous was/is about "being one of many, yet many of nothing". You do not have a secret language, you do not have a top secret uber cool personality. You do not exist, your entire existence is 1 post and then that's it, you're gone and never reappear. That way your entire "value" as a user is a default 0, the same as everyone else.

As soon as people started to act like Anon was some group of elites, 4chan started to become shitty. Instead of guys posting worth while content and enjoying the place for what it is, they started to try and make it a new cool place.

I have no problem with the protests, I have no problem with the memes. I have a problem that people don't know what 4chan was and these people now out number the old guard so bad that the place has been warped.

4chan is like popular culture. The people who enjoy a fad before it's a fad get trampled by the idiots who are just into fads. If we try to explain the culture to them we're told we're wrong because the fad has warped it, if we leave the culture we're losing something we loved.

Relationship threads and general advice is not a problem. It is part of being anonymous. If you can give someone good advice and help them, then you do so and you let your words stand up on their own. When your words are "tits or GTFO" or "I heard you like mudkipz", your value of 0 is kept at 0 by your post. Where as an informative post with good information puts your value about that 0 for that one post. 4chan can no longer achieve more than 0, because it doesn't know how the scores work any more.

I goto message boards now and WISH we could have anonymous there. So posts could be taken at face value instead of by the user's name and post count. 4chan gave us this, but then the fad hit and this is all gone.

[cont]

[cont]

I have been on 4chan since there was only 5-6 boards and I've never kept track of the time (why would I?). I notice more and more as time goes by that Moot is the cause of the problem rather than a solution. When he makes "official" videos full of crappy /b/ memes and sets up events for "anons" to get together, it is not a positive thing.

tl;dr Moot is a /b/tard, likes the attention and people don't understand what Anonymous means any more.

>>2486177
I hate this oldfag newfag bullshit.

Who fucking cares? Someone with no identifying information (join date, post count) says they're an oldfag. Since there is no way to prove this why do you care? Anybody can go to ED and get enough information to claim they're an oldfag.

Claiming to be an oldfag is completely different than being a senior member on a forum. There they have an identity and a reputation behind them. Here its just some jerkoff shitposting.

>>2486209

Obviously, you haven't been to one of the following:

- /v/
- /a/
- /m/
- /k/

Because if you did, you'd be able to understand why most of the boards that are not /b/ are also turning into shit.

Stop browsing /b/, buddy, its not cool anymore.

>>2486237
I fail to see how that makes my argument invalid.

>>2485330

i assure you it still is, just the mods are fags about it.

>>2486237
One could argue that, by thinking /b/ is cool at all is a problem. /b/ was never about being cool, it was about posting random stuff and hanging out.

/b/ is no longer random.

>>2486251
The oldfag/newfag concept is a more hostile term of what I was trying to get at. The newer you are, the less knowledge you have of the previous incarnations of the site. As a new person, you tend to like the newer things, otherwise you wouldn't of stayed here in the first place. As an older person, you like the stuff you used to have, and now is lost.

The cancer is in your mind, conservati... i mean oldfags.

>>2486290
You sound like a nigger protestfag.

tl;dr

BRING BACK SNACKS

>>2486180
You are not a special or unique snowflake.

we are the all-seeing, all-dancing crap of the world

In Nightmare Mode:

For starters, I don't think 4chan sucks. I think /b/ sucks now but didn't always, but for the most part the rest of 4chan is about as good as it's always been.

I don't have a personal feeling about 'when' /b/ started sucking, but the cause of it, I believe, is most certainly the fact that people think they themselves are somehow funny if they post something someone else made that happened to be funny.

It's like people who constantly repeat Monty Python jokes out of some sort of feeling that it somehow honors them. Except that, y'know, what makes them awesome is SPONTANIETY, not repetition of mediocre jokes.

In short, /b/ is crap not because of a lack of original content, but because of the crap-floods of IDENTICAL content.

I think /b/ in general is the source of the ruin.
/b/ has developed a superiority complex, look at their posts, their posts about and in other boards and it becomes obvious that they have convinced themselves that they are the shining beacon of 4chan. I haven't been here since day 1 and I never really lurked /b/ as much as other boards. But I do know for a fact that /b/ wasn't originally built around pandering to the retarded. It has fostered a group of people that don't realize that raiding /x/ every day is not a statement or a case of 'never forgive, never forget'. The closest I can compare such idiocy to is starting a riot by burning down your house. /b/ has, to my knowledge, never been good at raids. There was a time where they could flood sites and grab a complete biography about someone using nothing but a webcam photo, but those days have long passed and someone hasn't told them that yet (I blame ED for heinously lying to the newfags that /b/ is some elite internet force as opposed to a disorganized horde that are only effective due to sheer numbers).
Things pretty much started to go downhill when people viewed 4chan as a 'lulzfactory' instead of just another, fairly popular board. When it's shit started being posted all around the internet, the end was nigh. Good example is lolcats, that shit isn't funny, it wasn't funny and I never remember it being funny. However, because there have been so many fucktards posting it and sharing it, it is now almost completely associated with 4chan. I understand you can't be popular and be secretive without doing something completely dickish to your users like charging them $15 per account. But I also understand that if the userbase never gave up on it originally and kept it changing from 'Hilarious internet shenanigans' to 'omg kawaiidesu so randumb XD' then maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't be the festerous pussball on the forehead of this slowly-declining site.

Granted, if /b/ were deleted tomorrow, every board would erupt into a shitstorm as the faggots would migrate. It would eventually subside and then we would just have to find some replacement for /b/. I've always said that what we should do is make a 'lockdown' function for /b/, where .img and .zip were completely separated (yes yes, r9k is on img too). And a supermoderator of some sort can lock /b/ and /r9k/ away from .zip with the push of a button (probably enforced by a cookie followed by a 30 minute ban for each attempted visit while the cookie was activated). Anyone with half a brain would know how to remove the cookie, but that excludes about 90% of /b/ right there.

People who come here and talk about mundane shit such as relationships, dating, sex and childhood memories. Use your blogs guys.

We should split /b/ into 9 numbered boards and let the fucktards raid each other until the end of time

I think the concept of a cancer killing 4chan is itself cancer. This kind of thinking is the kind that makes every community fail. Yes things change but we have to come to terms with it instead of calling it shit.