>>The student march scheduled for Thursday will be followed by a separate demonstration against a European Union agreement cracking down on immigration.

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>>2472435
shoo, reactionary scum.

lol shame im in MOTHERFUCKING AMEWRICA FUCK YOU YUFUCKINGFINEIOGN

>>2472427

sounds like more scientology tomfoolery to me.

I don't care what they do so long as they spare the Acropolis and other historical features. Torch the Christmas tree, fine, I don't care, actually I think it's hilarious trolling, but if they go so far as to do that I'll be too disgusted.

>>2472460
I know right? Silly white people, wanting to stay a majority in their own countries.

What the holy fuck is this about again? Some jackass teen got shot so they rage in the streets for days burning and looting?

Sorry, but even the Rodney King riots had merit by comparison.

Would "activists" in this case be Muslim immigrants? Or would they be students with nothing to do?

>>2472832
Some 15 year old punk got shot by a cop that told him to fuck off. Bunch of anarchists and communists take this as an opportunity to break shit because they're morons.

>>2472879
In my country silly anarchists kids get their asses kicked.
NOT THEIR CHESTS SHOOTED ON

>>2472879

As opposed to the US, where some unarmed guy gets shot 54 times the day before his wedding, the cops go free, the news media whines and dramatizes it for a week or as long as it turns ad revenue, and then returns to reporting celebrity breakup stories, sappy human interest bullshit and assorted non-news. Meanwhile America at large rolls over in its sleep and continues taking it up the ass.

This country is full of weak, deferential pussies with no backbone. You're one of them.

>>2472879

Basically, that's all there's to it. If these fucks were lost in a forest they'd eat each other alive - if I at all cared at this point, I'd wish their beloved anarchy for them.

>>2472879
ahhh, not only ignorant to the inner workings of the things he's commenting on, but also a colossal retard - why am I not surprised you're a butthurt reactionary whining to suck more of your masters cock?

This is happening because in Greece, the polce can't enter any Campus at all.
If the police started storming universities it would be as good as the US army entering people's homes and taking away their guns

>>2472504
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>>2472504

A thousand times this, goddamn. I'm almost expecting this to happen, though. I don't think these kids really give a shit.

>>2472945
I think black people got upset, but nobody cared because they were black
white people would have gotten upset, but they didn't care because the victim was black

>>2472988

Who cares? They're just objects. Really, stop living in the past.

FfFffFFFFFFFFFFffsfSFFSFSFFSSSSSSSSSSSS

Bored kids who think they're edgy because they RESIST AGAINST THE GOVERNMENTZ. They have no idea what they really want.

regardless. RESIST.

>>2472979

Sounds like you feel you have a solid grasp of the reasons behind this event. Please, explain this, justify it.

Not >>2472879

>>2472988
I second this.

These kids wont know what priceless treasures they're going to miss...

This is happening because some european countries are reaching a political dead end where people feel their democratic choices don't mather and their leaders have no actual say in world issues.
Think about this, Barroso, the president of the european comission, was not elected.

I'm a huge fan of the molotov'd cops running around on fire while still holding their riot shields.

>>2473006
Hmm... I see that now I am responsible for educating your retarded ass - then again if you had the capacity to learn on your own you wouldn't be an incredibly ignorant moron. I'll give you a hint - the ability to expose your ignorance here infers you also have internet connectivity. Use it wisely from now on.

>>2473003

Because long-winded diatrabes on the endemic finicancial disparity among Greeks and culturally embedded nepotism and lack of opportunity and faltering promises of economic prosperity as well as long-standing corruption would be so much better suited to carried placards in multiple languages and shouted slogans.

Christ, did anyone else see the comments on Digg about this?

"Hurr I can't wait for this to happen here in America Hurr Durr"

"Hurr this will never happen in America because everyone is sheep Hurr Durr"

>>2473039
All I understood from that was EBIL KOMMUNISTS WANT TO SMASH STATE PROPERTY

>>2473006
It's frustration.
In America people just voted for Obama( they might be wrong to expect him to adress their woes), in Europe people feel the only thing they can do about the current state of things is break stuff.

>>2473000

Really. I own nothing, no pictures, no books, no keepsakes or other garbage. Just some clothes and my computer. People who keep shit around are just dicks who can't let go.

It's the past people. No one gives a fuck.

>>2473039

I didn't understand, what does promises mean?

itt: black flag fags wanting to burn some cars because they're jealous the greeks get all the fun.

>>2473027

Oh, so you don't have a fucking clue.

GTFO.

>a separate demonstration against a European Union agreement cracking down on immigration

Wait a fucking minute. Aren't European Muslims super fundamentalist and out of control? Didn't they fucking riot and kill tons of people over that CARTOON of Muhammad? Why the fuck are they butthurt over making sure fundie Muslims aren't getting in?

>>2473065
This is accurate. I really wish it wasn't.

>>2473065
If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal
- I think it was emma goldman, but not sure
yurop kinda went through the phase America is going through in a weak sense, with the fucking "third way" politicians pushing neoliberalism under the covers - didn't work out very well

If I were rich, i would totally airdrop supplies and ordnance for the prostesters. I think crank and RPG-7's would be a hilarious combination.

>>2473027

I was looking for your explanation, dumbfuck...how the fuck am I supposed to find out why you think these riots are justified if I don't ask?

What dumb fucking cocksucker.

>>2473027

Sad.

People can be expected to use existing technology to their own ends. Implying otherwise is about as stupid as suggesting they have no right to hurl rocks at police because the municipal government laid the asphalt they're hurling.

And you value your Internet connection over your individual sovreignty and hope for greater autonomy and freedom? I'm sorry I have to point out how pathetic that is.

>>2473139
Fuck that. Smoke weed. Get crunk. Fuck some pussy.

NOT THEIR CHESTS SHOOTED ON
NOT THEIR CHESTS SHOOTED ON
NOT THEIR CHESTS SHOOTED ON
NOT THEIR CHESTS SHOOTED ON
NOT THEIR CHESTS SHOOTED ON
NOT THEIR CHESTS SHOOTED ON
NOT THEIR CHESTS SHOOTED ON
NOT THEIR CHESTS SHOOTED ON

MOOT COCK BLOCK DOES NOT BLOCKED ON

>>2473139
Are you completely retarded, or can't you read at all?

Suggesting someone to gain information on a subject before having knowledge on it? Suggesting the internet might be a valid source for such research? Wow, that really was pathetic...

>>2473099
They didn't kill tons of people in riots.
they demonstrated, broke some stuff and went home

>>2473127
except I already implied my distaste for you, why should I waste my time to educate you?

note that this is not a "discussion"

>>2472507
Sily white people that gets older and say "HEY! Let's NOT have babies"
Europe doesn't shrink already because of immigrantes.
Stay them out of Europe and in two decades you don't have any working force to support your retired fellas.
This is stupid.

>>2473188

A sound example of another neurotic labor-class peon of the state. Enjoy your life of meaningless, empty work and self-gratification from yelling at the Internet and attempting to denegrate the idealism of others.

The rest of us will be busy securing our own freedom.

>>2473027 the ability to expose your ignorance here infers you also have internet connectivity...

you are in no position to educate anyone, cockteaser. you don't even know the elementary difference between INFER and IMPLY.

go back to fapping over your fatuous self-importance.

>>2473233
Ohhh, shit. Epic fucking burn.

This is always the way it goes. Everyone rants about capitalism and democracy and strive to implement communist ideals.

Twenty years after the revolution: WHAT THE FUCK WERE WE THINKING. BRING BACK THE DEMOCRACY.

>>2473216
Unfortunately, that meaningless ad-hominem doesn't cover up your failure at reading comprehension as exhibited above. You should just admit it and go bother with more idealistic things instead of whining.

Also, as I leave, I should point out Marx > Bakunin to fill my daily troll quota.

>>2473253

Rand > Marx

>>2473233
It's true. Everyone knows that a minor linguistic mistake one makes in his third language destroys all valid arguments.

>>2473267
That's like saying piece of turd > chateaubriand

the first one was at least a valid comparison, ayn rand is simply retarded and her theories respected no one but the most idiotic since they are pretty much disproven economically, and its idealism is a sad excuse for enriching your master - but hey, you probably think sputnik was a hoax, so... enjoy your perpetual ignorance and retardation, loser

>>2473299
Well, they have sort of similar colors... Oh, I get it.

>>2473273
That would seem to indicate that your first language is one of the deeply inferior breed that doesn't even differentiate between the two meanings, and just uses one word to cover both. LOL.

If you want to adopt a didactic tone, however, you cannot help being undermined by syntax errors. You just lose the air of authority you require to make an impression.

Also: fail.

>>2473273
Welcome to 4chan baby. I come here for pictures and the odd funny comment. Don't expect to revolutionize anybody's world here.

>>2473127

Dude, you're asking a troll for an opinion. They have none. Think about it, if this guy supports this kind of shit, does he have any rationale beyond "it's for the lulz"?

I've read the stories about this on BBC, etc. I understand their frustration...the kid getting shot was basically the last straw for people dealing with widespread corruption and an unresponsive government. Shit's hard enough to deal with when the economy is going well, but it's bad in Greece (if I understand correctly) relative to the rest of Europe.

Riots are usually destructive and stupid expressions of rage...it's like getting pissed at your car because it won't start and kicking in the door panel. It might feel cathartic at the time, but they'll probably regret it after at the adrenaline wears off (if not then, when that repair bill comes in).

This seems different, though...longer lasting, and more strategic. Remember, rioters basically brought down the government back in '84 (? maybe '81). Maybe there's something to the claims that an opposition party is purposely funding agitators to keep people stirred up.

Maybe there's someone in the area with more of an on-the-ground understanding of this situation. I doubt if it's going to be >>2473027 though...

To all those who try to diminish these riots to silly, bored kids breaking stuff. THIS IS NOT IT!
A) Students have been raging so hard because of the massive corruption in this country (in all levels), our failing economy, police brutality everywhere and the awful prospects of life quality that they know they have atm (first generation to be worse off than the previous since WW2).
B) Lots of people are backing them up because they simply agree that these are real issues and guess what just like the UK for instance (who are just to scared to admit this) or Italy, our political system includes NO parties able to help this situation just a few able, educated and non-corrupt politicians scattered throughout it.
C) These people protest. In the middle of the road. I have been to the said protests. The actual breaking, smashing and burning happens on the sidewalks where the shop windows are by different groups of people. Namely: Black Blocs, Police Provocateurs dressed up as black blocs (these have been caught on camera and film and have been shown even on the mainstream media) and the said immigrants who found the chance to loot the shops (I realise they are dirt poor and need the shit but still its a crime)
D) IT IS NOT JUST GREECE. I just saw on the news today what happened in Italy. It's the same as the Greek scandals with Siemens, the Church and its real estate and offshore companies, the corrupt ministers etc. If u do some googling you'll find out they just uncovered a series of similar scandals over there.

Thing is the same shit went on in Italy in '92. People protested about they're absolutely corrupt Parliament and politicians for many days on the streets. Nothing changed. They became apolitical and started to not care. Enjoy a gazillion years of crazy fascist Berlusconi..I'm sorry I don't want this in Greece.

>>2472504
The acropolis isn't going anywhere believe me. Everyone loves it.

>>2473432
This clears a lot of things

>>2473432

Don't bother. Everyone who drags his ass away from his reality televsion, vidya gaems and menial 9-5 shitjob long enough to act out a political conviction is a "bored kid" on this side of the Atlantic. We're whiny, apathetic and proud here. Don't try to educate anyone.

>>2473432

Thank you for responding. Are you in Greece or Italy? Do you think this will make a change? I'm thinking about Papandreou coming into power in 81.

Are people still supportive of the rioters despite the destruction?

>>2473432
These people are just leftist idiots conditioned to believe that immigrants are something good.
And of course some illegal immigrants.

I'd say - put them at the wall and machinegun this filth down.

>>2473511

Will the cops fire?

>>2473498
I am in Greece for xmas holidays, I read the part about '92 in an article by ex PM of Italy Romano Pronti and I just saw the stuff on the news. I am very uncertain, because this government is falling apart and I believe one of two things are going to happen:
A) They buckle up and start doing some real work ( I honestly believe they have some good people in this administration), they have 3 years left anyway
B) We have early elections where we end in a shitpile because there IS NO Papandreou or Karamanlis (I mean the old ones) or Venizelos to take the country and turn it on its head. Also no party will have enough votes for a governing majority so..
>>2473497
What must be scary for an American is considering how HUGE this mass of people who wont get off their asses to do something is.. I mean I would be hopeless..
>>2473511
Its not about leftists and rightists (these terms are outtdated and misused I believe) and in Greece there are people from all sides expressing their anger right now. Simply because both major parties of the centre left and centre right had their time and cocked up majorly. Its about people wanting idk a GOOD country is this too much to ask for?

>>2473522
I am the guy on top of this post. I have police guards guarding my apartment building so when they changed guard today I heard the group of them sniggering away at a policeman who had fired shots in the air to scare away protesters one of these days..These people just don't change think of them as your average /k/ user.

> Stay them out of Europe and in two decades you don't have any working force to support your retired fellas.
do you realize that:
1. Immigrants do not pay taxes or pension fund, so they will not be able to support our retired fellas
2. Immigrants mostly live on welfare therefore further draining tax payers' money that could have been used to support our retired fellas
3. Immigrants have high crime rate, once again draining money necessary to support more police, forcing the government to screw us with even stricter semi-fascist laws and scaring away working people and businesses, i.e. taxpayers we need to be able to support our retired fellas

immigrants are not just a problem, they are three problems at once

>>2473522
give me a gun and I will

>>2473607

There's been an uptick in the fascist movement in Italy in the past year or two (as I recall, focused on the Romany influx)...do you see any signs there's a movement like this in Greece? Hate to see that shit start all over again.

At least it sounds like you're not seeing any charismatic leaders in Greece. Yet.

> Its about people wanting idk a GOOD country is this too much to ask for?
Idiots do not deserve the right to live in a good country, so yes, I guess it's too much to ask for.

>>2473634

That's fucked. It sounds like you're essentially living in a warzone. Are you stopped going in and out, searched, etc.?

Police should just visit all these neocommie fucks' houses at night and throw molotov cocktails into their windows. That will teach them a lesson.

>>2473641
No trust me I've done economics at uni. They are a temporary, second (by a very large margin due to the problems you pointed out) solution. Ideally, people in the EU would start having children again, but you really need a strong economy or some sort of stable economy to keep them happy and ambitious otherwise they'll never have kids
>>2473658
No we don't have this stuff here people in cities are cool with immigrants mainly because we don't deal with them much since they live in their ghettoish areas. In rural Greece its different but who gives a shit about them they're only like 10% of the population at the most. My parents pointed out that even if someone has a plan or idea or wants to do something they wouldn't be showing their face now since there is a general disgust for the political system. I guess even the major political parties are keeping their cards closed until the next elections and are leaving the old guard to burn out until then. Good guess methinks

You know, I'm not one of those hard-ass conservative republicans that thinks all protestors are hippy scum and should be killed, but this is bullshit. These fucking punk-ass kids are rioting over nothing. Someone in their age group was shot and killed and they think they're justified in burning the whole city down. I bet all those shitheads rioting are the same ones that come on here and spout Internet Hate-Machine / Anon is Legion bullshit.

>>2473410

Yeah, I've been reading about this on BBC and a couple of the UK newspapers (Guardian and Daily Telegraph...nice balance, heh) over the past few days. Story is almost totally lost in our media here (Illinois, all about our Governor and corruption).

Was hoping that cocksucker was actually someone there who could explain why they were doing this.

>>2473725
No it's just that a minister lives in the flat under me so they "have" to guard him. It's been like that ever since he was an MP. It seriously isn't like a warzone save for a few areas in the city centre were the shit goes down.
>>2473757
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE FEW NEOCOMMIE ANARCHISTS (AND THEIR IDEOLOGY WHICH YOU DISAGREE WITH) THAT ARE ACTUALLY BURNING STUFF ARE NOT THE POINT OR THE SERIOUS ISSUE BEHIND THESE EVENTS???

>>2472507

Greeks? White? Ha!

This isn't Plato and Aristotle we're talking about here. Stavros Theodopolous and his ilk are half fucking Turkish.

god damn faggots

YEAH, LET'S SET SHIT ON FIRE AND KILL POLICE OFFICERS. THAT GUYS CAR DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO ME, AND THAT COP IS JUST DOING HIS JOB, BUT I'M GETTING MY POINT ACROSS RIGHT?!

>>2473789
>>2473924
THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT GODDAMIT WHY ARE YOU SO SHORT SIGHTED?
fuck this ill just link you guys to a video of a police provocateurs so you can finally understand this shit that is going on. Wait a few minutes.
>>2473803
Read his post: >>2473432

>>2473807
do you realize that they already caused over 1 billion euros in damages? It is a serious problem and it's only a beginning. These fucks need to be killed asap.

>>2474008
Wrong. Official reports say its 100 million and most of that was banks and car dealerships

>>2473807

Ah, thanks. That explains it. Glad to hear you're not in lock down!

>>2473991
http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/photo.php?pid=1107676&op=1&o=all&view=all
&subj=40190792474&aid=-1&oid=40190792474&id=614036143

One photo I found, videos coming soon

>>2473233
>>2472427
The thing i always wonder about these photos is who takes them! are the part of the riot? or those people that take pictures of starving kids... it just seems kinds cruel

worthless greeks should all get shot

>>2473991

So, you think the police are behind this (or at least some of it)? I've heard someone else say that as well. Is to just bust a few heads open, are they pushing for a real dictatorship, or does anyone know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpkGxdfoTUM
video of "black blocs" and policemen lounging together

>>2474129
See the video under your post. It is much simpler than that, they are used by the government as an excuse to demonise protests and protesters (who are inherently peaceful) and blur the line between anarchism/crashnburn riots and meaningful protests done by citizens who want to change something. They use them as an excuse to break into these protests and end them early.

>>2474109

Looks like the descriptions the other guy talked about. Maybe building an excuse to bring in the Army?

I fucking wish i still lived in europe just beccause of shit like this. Shit like this would never happen here because everyone is afraid of the fucking government.

more pics here
oh and yea the video posted speaks for itself.

This is almost EXACTLY what happened in France a few years back. Except:

a) it was muslims, and
b) the French government didn't do SHIT about it.

forgot my link http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=937920
mewtcox

>>2474165

C'mon, that's too obvious! ; )

Yeah, I understand similar things have happened in the States and Canada with various protests, but this looks more blatant than what we've had here.

Effectively cancels out any legitimacy the protestors had and costs regular citizens shitloads of damage. Really fucking great.

I wondered why the arrest numbers seemed so low (I read something like 800 arrests as of Sunday; the cops would arrest over 100 kids on Halloween at my old college for basically doing nothing more than milling around around in costumes). But if it's cops doing most of the nastier agitation, they ain't gonna get arrested.

>>2474250
Well the only real parallel I can see is that there were real issues and real disgust from the people but this was just for certain policies regarding immigrants etc here its the whole country which is running wrong its like someone has to press restart.
>>2474169
No way, EU in the middle etc. People ruling this country have much more subtle ways to do these things.

>>2474165

Hey, thanks for the pics and video, incidentally.

>>2474270
SEE what I mean?? I mean isn't the video outrageous?? And just by chance the banks were the most frequently hit targets, a handful of which have been chosen by the government to give low interest loans and loans with the government providing collateral. Oh look! Just when the banking sector was going to have a crisis loans funded by the government..

>>2474295
No problem man. This isn't to say that the "anarchists" aren't doing shit here the government pretty much has always been using these people to light the fuse in protests but now the anarchists are getting organised and have pledged to not hit small shops etc so idk its just one big salad and the government is having a ball because the real issues can't get publicity.

i joined some dumbass peace group in college chasing after a girl. there was a guy in the group who was always pushing for violence, from semi-serious "hey, let's plant a bomb" to just shit like "cops don't 'get' passive, you gotta fight back", etc. everyone figured he was a government agent, especially after he started in one day about how he knew people and could get us anything we wanted.

really stupid. the group couldn't pull it together to have a bakesale (literally, they "processed" people's bitching about this at every meeting i attended). i've heard about other times this has happened in the past few years, even something like a grannies book club or something.

terrorists are caught by detective work, all in favor of that. but purposely baiting people and trying to stir up shit? fuck that.
finally gave up and found a woman who didn't give shit about politics.

I don't know about this whole anarchism and community solidarity business. But I just REALLY want to throw a cobblestone at a cop.

>>2474373

What a fucking mess. Seems like it would be easier for the government to just obey the law and do their goddamn jobs. Guess I don't understand the criminal mindset.

Hang in there, and I hope it works out for the best.

>>2474373

good the anarchists are doing that

something about anarchists organizing does seem oxymoronic tho

>>2474442
'Oxymoronic' only if you have no idea what anarchy is dumbshit.

>>2474513

lighten up, dude. i know what it is.

>>2474442
I think I read it on indymedia I'm not sure but they are gathering money to rebuild a 70yr old womans kiosk that was destroyed in the riots and they have like a rule now about the small shops etc so they can securely point their finger at the cops and say its them. I mean they are anarchists they are not stupid they no its not the small guy who is their enemy. Anyway I'm off 2 bed
Anyone still interested in Athens Riots I think this post said it all. >>2473432

>>2474566

Thanks, dude. Good night!

>>2474566
>>2474566


oh dear. :(

OT: I'm gonna throw a stone today :3

>>2474513
>>2474513


herp im a derp derp hurr durr derp durrr hurp derp derp derp.

yeah thats you

These are just 14-15 yr old kids protesting with their schools and in a couple of cases groups of kids throwing stones at the police stations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfxHbzoMDMQ&NR=1

Police beating up a cypriot student that happened to be visiting a friend in Salonika at the same time as a protest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F808LiA_PIk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLSARqDQSKA&feature=related

The way I see you have a 1st world country with the per capita GDP and the police force of Pakistan

>>2477570
GDP of Spain

A 15yr old was shot yesterday in the hand in one of the demonstrations with a .20 bullet but it is still unknown who the shooter was. Some suspect the police.

>>2480211
good news there. we don't have a right to bear arms, so it was either a copper, a criminal (somehow the mob doesn't like 15-year-olds lol) or some rich businessman or politician (they are allowed to carry a gun under special laws).

>>2480292
I'll put my money on the copper

For the last 10 days or so I see me Latest Headlines RSS from BBC and there is always at least one title about the greek riots. This is this weeks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7789215.stm

>>2481518
Yeah same here. I just read this one where a british guy talks about police brutality he witnessed.

Officer Joe Smith has been implicated in the alleged killing of a youngster by a police officer. He and his partner have been suspended, with pay and vacation, pending the investigation. A group of people showed solidarity with the teenager's parents and criticized the police department, but sources say that they have been too busy with Christmas shopping to protest.

In other more important news, Britney Spears' sister had a baby! Join us in our hour-long special on Jamie Lynn Spears' struggle as a 17-year old mother.

All I gotta say is, "OPA!"

*throws a plate on the floor*

>>2473432
Breathtaking photos
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/12/2008_greek_riots.html