I for one will welcome our new Chinese Overlords.

Definitely China. India isn't even on the radar yet. Japan and Germany have bigger economies than China right now, but they aren't growing nearly as fast.

l for one weIcome our new Chinese Overlords

Europe and Russia will unite to form the state of Eurasia. The world will shiver.

China has the manpower, capitol, and national zeal that makes them the likely successor to the US as the world leader.

God Damn Communists.

Part of the reason why America was a superpower is because they were able to culturally influence the rest of the world. McDonald's, blue jeans, all those trappings of Western society -- it's much like how the Roman Empire was able to hold such influence.

When the Romans established new provinces, they would set up baths, forums, theatres, and other culturally Roman institutions in the cities (or even start their own cities). People in the provinces knew that these Roman cities were where to find prosperity, so they became assimilated into Roman culture.

China has always been more isolationist, and I have trouble seeing them as a similar force in the near future.

Somewhere in Europe. Possibly the Holy Empire of Britania rising to power once more. People keep saying China but you have to realize that China depends on us as much as we depend on them. If we fall out, so do they since we have been selling them billions worth of IOU cards.

Fuck yes time for robots on roller skates.

Everyone knows that America comes out of this crisis stronger than before.

Where do you think all the billions went that Europe lost in the crisis? They went into American houses and cities.

Both Europe and America lost a lot of money, but Europe got NOTHING in return. They're the ones truly epically assfucked by this whole situation.

And the best part is that it was a unique opportunity for the European Union to work together and strengthen its political influence but what did we do? We broke down into our little countries again and let USA and Asia gain influence while we sat back, chilling. Europe fucking sucks and is run by morons who have take too much interest in every single person's needs instead of taking interest in the entirety of the country/Union/continent.

>>2457703

Amazing point is amazing.

>>2457703
So hollywood is a tool of the "empire"?

>>2457718
You heard it here first.
America wins again.
60 more years of prosperity.
Anyone want a loan?

>>2457703
>>2457721

lolwut?

Globalization was driven by greed, not culture. Mcdonalds is American Culture? Fuck that.

American became a superpower because it was filling the vacuum after World War II. It spread its influence by exerting political and military control over various countries all over the world.

And China won't be the next super power because if the U.S. economy falls through, so does China's. Their economic boom is due to an insane amount of exports to the U.S. When Americans can't afford the goods any more, China's economy will fall apart.

China.

Already well on their way.
Too bad nobody speaks their fucking language.

>>2457703
Yeah, but they could change eventually. Right now their modern culture is pretty much a crappy spinoff of American culture. But you never know what could happen in the future. Nobody could predict Hollywood would get so big. As their economy grows, their culture might grow with it, but like you said, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

>>2457727

People really need to get away from the use of this word "empire". It has connotations of a single, all-powerful entity manipulating and controlling the world around it.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. The "American Empire" is nothing but the result of millions of INDIVIDUAL actions and investments into foreign countries, each unawares what the others are doing.

It's only a hivemind.

This has ALREADY happened. The answer is China. They are our debtors; they own the national government, basically, as they own all the bonds. They are also our bankers. Nowadays, when China, through back channels, tells our government to do something, they do (if you average neckbeards only knew...) We borrowed money from them, once again, to finance this bailout. We are going in the direction of increasing dependence, not less.

Also (this is key) they can basically print money based on the huge and compliant labor force they have. They are smart enough to realize they can have all the control without thumping their chests about it, so they stay in the background and quietly add to their power all across Africa and wherever their money is welcome (everywhere).

It's China. They've won already. They are keeping the US economy afloat, because it helps them at the moment. One day, though, it won't, and then the change in power relations will become very obvious.

>>2457746
chinese is the most widely spoken language in the world now.

>>2457754
I agree with this. And it's funny, I really don't mind. We should just join with China officially so we can avoid future butthurt.

With the bailout and patriot act, the difference between US and China is not as large as it was.

They are only communist in name.

>>2457756
No it's not, it's the most spoken language but only because there's one country that has a SHITTON of people that speak it. Only one country actually speaks the language, the rest of the world does not know it. The most spread language is English and Spanish.

>>2457756
But guess where most Chinese speakers live?

Exactly.

>>2457787
China,most part of South East Asia, Central Asia and Chinese minority around the world.

10 bucks says that in 100 years this planet will look like fallout 3.

I laugh at all the retards who say China. hahahhahaha

Even the Chinese people know that their country is still 50 years behind the western world. There are powerful people and newspapers in China who are actually afraid that their country will break down in the next few years.

>>2457834
fallout 3? More like 5 minutes into TITAN A.E

People have gotten used to the idea of a 'hyperpower', one-state-rules-all. See it in Cold War terms: multiple superpowers, all vying for their respective interests.

America and China are already superpowers. The EU is potentially a third, depending on whether it can consolidate itself politically - it's already the world's largest economy, taken as a whole.

Other powers, like India and Russia, will play important roles but they don't have the potential to rival the other three.

>>2457756
I believe he meant that none of us humans can speak their language.

I don't think there'll be another world war, we're past that now.

A multipolar world, US-EU-China-Russia-India would be massively entertaining. But would probably end in nuclear war. Oh well.

>>2457869
World War I: "The War to End All Wars"
That turned out well.

Stop saying China you goddamn hicks. China is killing off so many of their women, their population will probably sink into nothingness as they stop having enough children and all their women go for Western men who respect them more. It's inevitable and shit.

>>2457756
Yes, but no-one uses it internationally. And it is ridiculously hard to learn. English is the global lingua franca, and will probably stay that way.

Don't you understand as we become poorer we buy more crap from China because they are cheap?

>>2457897
>>2457897
Hurrr yeah cause having a lower population will crush their economy and workforce

>>2457941
Do you understand that China needs us to buy their affordable crap? If we go to war, we will stop buying from them. If they fuck us over, we will stop buying from them. There aren't too many things you can buy with an IOU from America. They benefit from the relationship as much as we do.

>>2457951
Their power comes in sheer numbers. If they lose that, they are no better than any other crappy country that does trade.

OP is a moron.

The economic downturn is affecting everyone, not just the United States.

China will be the new America
India will be the new Canada or UK or some other country like that.

How many nukes do you think it would take to kill 1.5 billion people in a time of crisis?

>>2457869
Really? I think we'll have one in around a decade.

>>2457954
America can't go to war with China. China controls pretty much all of America's industry. It'd take YEARS for the US to rebuild its ability to produce some of the most basic goods in large enough quantities.

China ALSO has Billions [Trillions now?] in American IOU's.

The US has been economically outmaneuvered, China only needs to put the squeeze on now, slowly enough that Americans don't realize it. Like a frog in a pot of water that is slowly coming to a boil.

>>2457985
China is directly reliant on American purchasing power.

>>2458030

This isn't even an argument. We could nuke them out of existence anytime, anywhere. They can't call our tab if they're all dead now can they? That's why they haven't and that's why they won't. China's our biggest bitch.

The UK will rise again, we've done it before.

>>2458030

Of course, because the US owes China so much money, China can't afford to go to war with the US either.
(Unless they default, in which case I probably wouldn't blame them.)

India and China have massive social problems, that are going to catch up with them sooner or later. Concerning both demographics and class.

>>2458038

That's starting to change. As an effective middle class emerges (in the hundreds of millions), the West will lose its importance for China, as their manufactured goods will be purchased more and more by domestic consumers.

>>2457753

No, the "Empire" term most accurately describes the current situation. It's just an informal rather then direct system.

>>2457954
Actually, we need them more than they need us. They can find other buyers. We consume, consume, and consume and produce very little (in comparison). If trade immediately stopped between us for any reason, they would definitely get fucked.

But our asses would be shredded and pulverized.

>>2458097
Including a veritable zerg rush of elderly.

>>2458047
Why would you nuke China? What have they ever done to you?

>>2457991
We could get a lot of them.

>>2457991
You couldn't kill all of them, that's not how nukes work. You could probably kill a third of them. But they would see our nukes coming and send their nukes at us. They don't have as many, and they can't fly as far, but the west coast cities would be destroyed.

Let me repeat, China is our banker.

Exhibit A. Have you heard of the Rothschilds? Did you know they were bankers?

Exhibit B. Have you ever taken out a loan from the bank? Let me ask you this. When you go to the bank, who sits in the driver's seat: you, or the banker? Do you tell your banker what to do? Or does your banker tell you?

This 'we need each other' is just face-saving bullshit they tell you to make the humiliation go down easier. Fact is, if the USA walked away from China, they'd send themselves into a deep, deep depression, as they would have no manufactured goods to sell. This is purely theoretical, as the USA could never do this, just as you cannot walk away from your loans, for the simple reason that you need the money the bank is giving you.

However, China COULD walk away from the US, in the same way that the bank can stop loaning money to you if they feel like it. If they did, it would hurt, but they would still have their manufacturing capacity, and Europe and the rest of the world with manufacturing needs. They would lose a lot of their savings, but since this money was savings, they didn't need it immediately to prop themselves up. The USA, though, would have a huge smoking hole where the money to fund its operations once would have been. You can't even imagine the economic devastation, it would be that horrible.

>>2458200

Sounds like a win-win situation.

>>2458200
>they can't fly as far
No, I'm sorry but you're wrong on this. Once a nation can put something in orbit, it can send nuclear missiles anywhere in the world.

Both China and India have the ability to hit the entire continental United States. [Speaking of Iran, if they get nukes, their next step is going to be a space program.]

China is ok, but their success depends on America's success. If we quit buying their stuff, then all those giant factories that are devastating their environment will start to go to waste, and it's all downhill from that. They'll do well for awhile, but they're destroying themselves too fast.

>>2458047

yeah try to attack china and get your ass served by the SCO ( counterpart to the nato consisting of china, russia, india, most central asian countires and some of the former soviet union members)
and as a german im pretty sure most nato countries will turn against the US if you continue to act the way you did for the last 25 years

ya, who's gonna respect a country that doesn't build their empire across the planet?

phhhh
not me

Point being, China can't call in our debt as long as we could kill a good portion of its precious Chinamen. Go ahead, call China up and ask it if it dares. I bet you it'll shit itself thinking about nuclear annihilation.

>>2458206
If China has so much power, what do you think they are going to do with it?

>>2458246

Can't tell if you're trolling, or an idiot. There is no formal military alliance between China, Russia, and India. Sure Russia and China may run joint war games together, but you'd be a fool to think they're allies.

You owe someone money, so you decide to nuke him. That's a great moral concept.

>>2458266
Wait until the time is right, and topple the US.

I'm sure the Americans will give a last "Fuck You" to the world and try to nuke China in retaliation. Of course, once the US blows its wad, the country is finished. Honestly, I think it could quite possibly become a third-world shithole.

I wonder what the great wall of Canada is going to look like when it's built to keep out all the illegal American immigrants.

>>2458275

It's the American way.

>>2458237
You know nothing of nuclear weapons. The furthest China could launch a nuke, is with the CSS-2 IRBM, which only goes as far as just over 3000km.

>>2458299
No, YOU know nothing of orbital mechanics.

Once in low earth orbit, that's it. You can land yourself anywhere around the earth you want.

China has rockets that can reach all of the US, and if they follow with their planned moon mission, they are going to have rockets that can reach out deep into space.

All China has to do is put a nuclear warhead on one of these rockets, and they will.

And while this happens, independent countries in Europe sit back and laugh

>>2458287
>>2458275

You're missing the point. The USA wouldn't nuke China because they don't want to 'pay back the debt.' They wouldn't do it because they NEED CHINA'S MONEY, right now, in the present, every cent they are getting. Nuclear war with China would be tantamount to asking China to dump all its bonds, withdraw all its loans and leave. This is what would happen, in short order:

1. Economic recession.
2. Economic depression.
3. US government says, btw, taxpayers, we need to raise taxes by an order of magnitude. Also, we need to cut services, by an order of magnitude.
4. Return of the Great Depression.
5. And so on...

Anyone who says anything other than Belarus is a moron.

>>2458334

If they can find time to giggle while the Middle East conquers their flimsy little socialist union. You're going to wish you'd spent more on your defense budget and less on universal healthcare, you fat humps.

>>2458352
Belarus is shit. Ukraine forever.

>>2458327

That's not how nuclear weapons work, or how they would be effectively delivered. It's not like you can take a random rocket built for space travel and go "durrr, lets put a nuke in dis shit and kill some pig disgusting americans": No, you need special types of delivery systems.

I'm a moron so I guess the UK. A wild guess. Switzerland are better. Definitely.

>>2458366
Isn't it wonderful how Americans constantly bring up the horrible, terrible European healthcare system that costs so much money.

Then conveniently ignore that the American healthcare system costs even MORE.

Cognitive Dissonance at its finest.

>>2458401

The Swiss are the scum of Europe.

>>2458372
>>2458352

You're both dumb. Pic is why.

4chan is a lovely place where lovely people meet and talk about lovely things!

And /r9k/ is supposed to be better then /b/ because......?

/b/ is full of /b/tards!!!

>>2458380
Funny thing about that: The rocket is just a payload delivery system, the nuclear warhead isn't just a bomb or a payload, it's a rocket in its own right.

It's boosted into a trajectory approximately on its target. From space, the warhead is released, this part has its own rocket engine and countermeasure system. It releases chaff, dodges incoming anti-ballistic missile missiles, and generally does its best to deliver its candy.

The original launching platform does not matter unless you're intercepting as the rockets launch or reach space.

China will become the new superpower, but I don't see how this is the "end of America," like everything will descend into chaos and martial law. I mean, I don't see that we're going to be taken over or something, we'll just lose dominance.

I understand now. My whole life before this was a lie!

>>2458450
Ah, uh, erm....I don't have to read "nigger" 12000 times a day?

I think the Russians are secretly planning WORLD DOMINATION again because Putin is prime minister and his friend is president now so they'll restart the cold war and NUKE THE FUCK out of everything and yeah.

>>2458366
Oh yesss. Because the Middle East is hellbent on world domination.

You're funny, American.

Not American, fool.

WHORECHAN is the only way to describe this.

>>2458489

Trouth.

SCANDINAVIA WAS HERE.

THE REST OF THE WORLD ARE LOSERS.

l Iove the whoIe world... lt's such a briIIiant pIace...

>>2458489
I'd foresee some states seceding from the rest of the nation, maybe forming their own power bloc.

And then, perhaps, some civil wars. Actually, that'd be perfect for China. Get the US into a civil war, make them use up their armed forces, and their nukes. Take over the world when the dust settles.

Dude, I love C&C Red Alert.

>>2458630

Game: UNIT LOST! UNIT LOST! UNIT LOST! UNIT LO-

Me: WHEEEEEEEEEERE??????

How does Putin mean nuclear war? Srsly, dipshit, he may not be a great leader, but that doesn't mean war.

My guess is that some tiny country, like Slovakia would take advantage of the power lapse of America going under, and would quickly become a new independent superpower. Thus the cycle restarts.

I'm surprised at how negative everyone is. If everyone kept to themselves then, frankly, nobody would give a shit. If the middle easterners didn't have such a big problem with the west, it would also help but theres not much that can be done to sway their view. Ho hum.

>>2458437
I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT!!!

I'm thinking regional unions will like the EU will be maintained and strengthened. African Union, Asian Union, Americas Union, etc.; on our way to a global unification and government. pic semi related.

>>2458606

Boom-de-ah-da, boom-de-ah-da, boom-de-ah-da, boom-de-ah-da...

Calm down, no need to start a war, theres enough already going on anyway.

Obama nuking Iran will save us just like WW2 pulled us out of the Depression

NO YOU GUYS
DON'T YOU SEE

SUDDENLY, UP FROM THE ASHES, A COUNTRY NO ONE HAD THOUGHT OF WILL RISE AND BRING US ALL TO OUR KNEES.... AND THEY WILL RULE THE WORLD.

>>2458674

I LOVE YOU TOO MOTHERFUCKER SUCK MY COCK AH MAH GAD AHM GANNA CUM

Ooh, I have an idea. How about everybody here bands together to create our own governmental body to rule America if it does fail?

There's enough of us here for a full Parliament, so that might just work.

>>2458615
I seriously doubt that any states would secede to form their own power block. Mostly because they would have to know that they would be pathetically weaker for doing this, even if the United States itself had been weakened. If anything, wouldn't Americans be brought together by being dethroned (fearing an outside threat)?

The time has come to think of new names for these united continental fronts.

I suggest the one-time Marvel designations of Megamerica, Panafrika, Intereurope, Extralia...

This isn't getting anyone anywhere in terms of political progress. It's mostly rants and random ideas. Are you all too lazy to do anything? Lets DO SOMETHING for CHANGE! (Go on, hate me.)

Europe becomes new superpower, has cold war with China.

>>2458728
ALRIGHT.
Let's create a website and make ideas and shizznits and BOMB AUSTRALIA.

...wait.
what are we talking about?

>>2458755
Amen brother. (I am not a christian. I am therefore not liable to completely pointless insults.)

Has everyone forgotten that it's not America's economic or military might that makes it exceptional and will keep it on top but rather how it got there. It's our principles and our willingness to die to stay free. No other country can claim this. We stand alone. If you've ever been around the world, you'd know that we have the greatest resource of any nation. Liberty, and those who will fight to hold onto it.

No country without freedom can stand against us for long. All you need to do is look at history to confirm this.

Yeah well I say fuck you all, long live the british empire, why the fuck we didn't stay in control is beyond me, shoot the niggers and have sex with ther corpses, thats the solution to our fucking problems.

>>2458780
Well, I'm all for the British Empire because the English have one of the best armies in the world, especially with their advanced training in the use of weapons.

>>2458780

There isn't a problem in the world that can't be solved by a good corpse-fuck.

Europe FTW

>>2458795
AIDS.

mootbloxors.

>>2458779
I know, eh. You guys try to give freedom to countries like Iraq, but they're all "GTFO".

Savages. Don't even understand what proper American freedom is.