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    51 KB More Than 650 Scientists Dissent Over Global Warming Claims Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:30:31 No.2429906  
    http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?3bdc515f-70d4-4583-8af5-eb517991319f

    Over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernemntal Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore.

    This new 231-page U.S. Senate Minority Report report -- updated from 2007's groundbreaking report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming "consensus" -- features the skeptical voices of over 650 prominent international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC.

    See the full report here: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=4fabcdd2-6567-4c62-8e5
    b-2a1411df5804

    Skeptical scientists are gaining recogniction despite what many say is a bias against them in parts of the scientific community and are facing significant funding disadvantages.

    Additionally, these scientists hail from prestigious institutions worldwide, including: Harvard University; NASA; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR); Massachusetts Institute of Technology; the UN IPCC; the Danish National Space Center; U.S. Department of Energy; Princeton University; the Environmental Protection Agency; University of Pennsylvania; Hebrew University of Jerusalem; the International Arctic Research Centre; the Pasteur Institute in Paris; the Belgian Weather Institute; Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute; the University of Helsinki; the National Academy of Sciences of the U.S., France, and Russia; the University of Pretoria; University of Notre Dame; Abo Akademi University in Finland; University of La Plata in Argentina; Stockholm University; Punjab University in India; University of Melbourne; Columbia University; the World Federation of Scientists; and the University of London.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:32:33 No.2429931
    Anyone who gives a fuck about global warming, both the zealots and the naysayers, are massive faggots, please rape their faces.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:33:52 No.2429944
    About time, man "caused" global warming is a fucking scam.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:35:48 No.2429969
    And over 700 scientists named Steve support evolution.

    Also: Make point about stupid lists of scientists.
    >> Mr. Bubbles !!DLJ3bQ7yunJ 12/13/08(Sat)23:35:59 No.2429970
    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/12/650_international_scientists_e.php

    It took me 30 seconds to find a refutation of the OP! Can you prove him wrong faster?
    >> Question Man !nXKiXLNEWw 12/13/08(Sat)23:37:57 No.2429992
    >>2429969
    One of my favourite lists ever.

    Especially since the creationist list has fewer than ten biologists on it.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:38:29 No.2429995
    >>2429970
    Take a look at the report. Only one of them is an economist. The rest are all serious scientists, many of which have worked with the UN IPCC itself.

    Why can't a geologist have a valid opinion on climate change?
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:40:01 No.2430008
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    Sup faggots.

    Are you talkin' bout global warming?

    Say it's a hoax?

    Best be joking, niggers. Glad I died so I don't have to watch all you faggots slowly kill your planet because you don't want to give up your ballin' SUVs.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:42:14 No.2430034
    >>2429906
    All members of the Scientific Scientist's Science Report (of Scientific Sciences) categorically call the OP a dumbass who is full of shit.

    That's 100% of us. And we said "science" more times than you, so eat a dick.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:44:18 No.2430045
    But...but, scientists aren't always right. Remember, they thought the earth was flat until Columbus proved them...

    Sorry, I just can't go through with this. It's simply too stupid to type, even though this argument has come up several times during "debates" on global warming.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:44:26 No.2430048
    >>2430034
    The point is not to start a dick-measuring contest to see which side has more scientists supporting it, but rather to challenge the lie perpetuated by the UN that there's a "scientific consensus" on climate change.

    If at least 650 eminent scientists disagree with the UN report made by only 75 people, then clearly there's no actual consensus on the issue.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:50:54 No.2430116
    Scenario One: Global warming caused by man turns out to be false and we do nothing to stop it.

    Scenario Two: Global warming caused by man turns out to be flase and and we reformed many environmental policy, drastically reduced pollution and alleviated some of our reliance on limited fossil fuels.

    Who the fuck cares if there's a 100% concensus? This isn't something we can test. We can't sit here for a century and see how our pollution affects the planet, go back in time and change our way. We either do something now and (at the very least) gain the benefits from scenario two or we do nothing and hope Global Warming goes away. And what if it doesn't? Should we just sit there and go "lol no consensus. Not our fault"?
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:53:48 No.2430150
    >>2430116
    SPOILER:

    The UN pushing for draconian regulations even in the middle of a worldwide economic recession and fucking shit up for everybody involved = BAD

    Governments funding renewable energy development without imposing regulations or fucking up their economies = GOOD
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:54:40 No.2430163
    >>2430048

    This whole conversation misses the point. Pollution = bad. Climate change is only one of dozens of bad things that greenhouse gases (may) contribute to. If you assholes need the world to be in absolute dire circumstances to be motivated to try and stop completely fucking it up, then woe is you.

    I go as green as I can and educate as many people as I can not because of global warming, but because it makes logical sense, and any rational person would agree.

    I understand that green products can be scams and I do my research about them just like I do regular stuff.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:55:29 No.2430172
    >>2430048
    ... unless those 650 people are idiots who are full of shit, and the 75 people are actually smarter, of course.

    Science isn't a popularity contest. It's a methodology whereby people can use experimentation to test hypotheses and form theories which make testable predictions.

    If these 650 people can't be bothered to produce better math, better statistics, and better theories, then fuck them.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:55:44 No.2430174
    >>2430150

    The UN can't force anything onto anybody. E.g. Kyoto

    But by all means, you and your militia pals can sit around with your guns and wait for when they come for you.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/08(Sat)23:56:02 No.2430179
    >>2430150
    Regulations have to be imposed and economic times will never, ever be convenient. Even if we make it through this economic crisis unscathed governments would refuse to do anything for fear of fucking it up. Preservation of the human race is more important than economic set backs.
    >> Mr. Bubbles !!DLJ3bQ7yunJ 12/13/08(Sat)23:57:17 No.2430192
    >>2430048
    Most of the people on that list are not climatologists. They are TV weathermen, economists, and experts on magnetism. Several of those listed have in fact said they support the idea of global warming. The creator just put a list of random names together.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/08(Sun)00:08:14 No.2430299
    >>2430116

    Scenario Three: You can't admit you've been sold on what amounts to a huge political boondoggle, which conveniently happens to be making a few people (read: Al Gore and the like) filthy, filthy rich. You decide that even though "global warming" may or may not be real, feeling good about helping the environment is worth the lives of millions of people worldwide.

    Read this:

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110010597

    Yes, it's from the Wall Street Journal, but the point the author raises is a very valid one. Global Warming is bad science, but even if it weren't, it's bad policy. The money spent in a most likely futile attempt to halt climate change could be used to cure basically every curable disease in the third world and essentially end world hunger.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/08(Sun)00:08:46 No.2430302
    >>2430008

    This post has a great comedic effect if you imagine it in Sagan's voice.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/08(Sun)00:16:20 No.2430369
    >>2430172
    There are plenty of theories that haven't been disproven, actually. The science is there and it's up to the media to present a more balanced view.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

    For example, according to this theory, we're still warming from the last ice age the change in the earth's tilt causes. When the angle starts to increase again the temperate will decrease. See pic.

    >>2430192
    Bullshit. You are the one relying on a shitty blog you pulled out of your ass. Open the Senate report, all the names, past activities and degrees of each of the scientists are mentioned in detail, and you can list to me any individual objections you might have.

    Most of the scientists are indeed geologists, biologists, glaciologists, biogeographers, meteorologists, oceanographers, experts in environmental sciences, paleontologists or astrophysicsphysicists, and many have worked with highly regarded institutions, including the UN IPCC itself. This means most of them are more than qualified to talk about the subject.

    >>2430179
    Economic setbacks can turn very ugly and make the preservation of the human race more difficult.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/08(Sun)00:17:30 No.2430379
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    >>2430369
    Sorry, forgot the pic posted in this great follow-up, albeit concise, that attempts to quell the anger of our robot by typing excess words.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/08(Sun)00:18:54 No.2430391
    650 out of how many? If that's 0.001% of the worlds scientists, I don't give a shit. Anyone using science and a reason for an argument should realize the importance of placing their numbers in context.

    11 people agreed with this.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/08(Sun)00:25:08 No.2430449
    >>2430369
    How about you actual read the link given in the blog? There's specific examples given, and sources cited. Though I guess expecting to completely read someone else's argument is too much for a global warming denier.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/08(Sun)00:26:15 No.2430460
    This a direct copypasta from /n/.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/08(Sun)00:33:03 No.2430508
    >>2430449
    Yeah, three examples out of 650.
    Try again.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/08(Sun)02:36:31 No.2431462
    lol


    old news is old, i remember this from over a year ago.


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