>>2408577
You mean like how you guaranteed McCain would win?

ACTUALLY IT'S CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY THAT'S HOLDING YOU FAGGOTS BACK.

IF YOU MORONS LEARNED ANYTHING FROM THE GREAT DEPRESSION IT'S THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO *SPEND* MONEY. KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU KNOW THEM?

GOD DAMN FUCK YOU.

>>2408577

And how much time do you think would it take to build a significant number of oil rigs? You stupid asshole, for every possible prospect you would need at least a decade for it to start making some results.

>>2408626
>KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS
...suck fucking ass. Austrian or gtfo.

>OPEC and Russia are sticking their dicks in each other's mouths and co-operating in an attempt to raise oil prices by making massive production cuts.

>Simple fucking solution to this would of been to start building oil rigs like a motherfucker.

More American oil production will only encourage OPEC to cut production further.

How the fuck are you blaming the current state of the economy on democrats when for such a long time we've had a Republican president and up until recently, a Republican congress. Republicans fucked everything up, just because the shit hits the fan just when some Dems get into office doesn't mean you can blame shit on them, at least until they've had enough time where they possible could have fixed it.

I like how you go on about OPEC and Russia like Democrats have any control over that. OPEC is a shitty organization regardless of who's in charge.

If we had fucking started on those alternative energy sources back when we first started needed them, we wouldn't be in this problem in the first place. Fucking Republicunts mislead the people only talking about solutions for NOW NOW NOW and don't fucking plan ahead. We don't fucking need more oil, we need different fucking sources of energy.

Democrats are on a spending spree because the economy fucking needs it right now. But I'm sure you'd rather see the entire auto industry crash and contribute even more to the unemployment rate. People like my retired uncle are fucked because of this shit, certain spending is necessary.

If you don't think the American government isn't already socialist, then there's no hope for you.

Reading that entire post made me feel like I just got trolled, and hard.

>>2408626
Haha, you have got to be fucking joking me.

The amount of money that the government is spending now completely shits on how much the New Deal spent.
Keynesian economics is a crock of shit.

>>2408601
When did I ever guarantee McCain was going to win.
McCain is a softie moderate anyway, he's a good guy, but he really wasn't what we needed either.
At least he would of cut taxes, and started drilling here though.

Do you people not realize how fucked up this situation is really about to get?
We're talking Great Depression 2 here.

>>2408577
No matter who won that election, the US would be the same after 1 or 2 years. Where it went after that, we'll have to see.

Your boy George W started all this bullshit. Just cuz Obamas taking over you think you can blame the present on him, when it all occured in the past. Stop being bitter cuz you lost an election and your own party couldnt drive this shithole down but someone else had to.

>>2408658
>started drilling here
Wouldn't have done SHIT for years though.

>>2408655
Lets see.... maybe because the democrat and liberal policies are some of the fucking biggest reasons we're in this situation?
Who controls Freddie and Fannie? Democrats.
Who signed the CRA and the revisions into law? Democrats.
Who pulled the bullshit under the GLBA? Democrats.

How can you possibly say that democrats are good for the economy, when one republican president pulled 22 million jobs out of his ass with his policies?
OH BUT OBAMA IS GOING TO "CREATE 2.5 MILLION."
Congrat-u-fucking-lations.

We do have control over OPEC, we drill here, drill now, and pay less. If we became energy independent now, we wouldn't have to worry about oil production at least for the next 30 odd years, due to the fact that we have at least a decade of reserves sitting in the country. That would sufficient enough time to research into real alternatives.

If you knew anything about the law, the auto industry would be absolutely fine if they filed Ch. 11 bankruptcy. All they'd have to do, is re-negotiate labor contracts.

You probably don't pay attention to the news, but in congress, numbers were thrown around, Toyota and GM produced and sold about the same amount of cars last year, Toyota posted a 14B dollar profit. GM, a 30B dollar loss.

What makes you think these people are going to change anything without filing for bankruptcy?

I'm not trolling.

>fears of a recession would of been waned due to the fact that we'd have our own stable energy supply in a few short years.

Total bulllshit, this recession will not last anywhere near as long as it takes new oil rigs to finish construction and begin production.

>On top of that, your democrats are on a debt/deficit spending spree which is completely raping the worth of the dollar (which plummeted 3 cents in worth today, a massive drop.) Thank god the republicans are going to try their damnedest to filibuster the auto bailout bill.

You have a fucking Republican President with veto power. How retarded can you be? Just stop the partisan hackery, it's childish.

>You can't dive into socialism, because you will have people rising up against the government, because I guarantee you, the super-majority of Americans aren't going to play that game.

Lol I wonder if you used this exact sentence to explain why Obama would never get elected. Typical Republican exaggeration.

Alright when it comes down to it I don't care particularly for either side of the political spectrum. But you know why I vote democrat? Because of the fail social principles that the Republican Party is currently married to. Seriously, if you guys could stop pressing Conservative Christian values on everyone else, I wouldn't have a problem voting Republican. John McCain? No worries. Palin? Fuck no.

>>2408681
That's bullshit.
Did you see the markets when they repealed the drilling ban?
Markets are all about future speculations, people would have a massive confidence boost if they knew we were going to drill the shit out of our own country.

OPEC already cut production...demand is low, they can't command high prices because of this.

russia's economy is worse than ours right now. our economy is doing poorly because of so-called conservatives. most support big business.

they cut taxes and make it easier for them to outsource jobs overseas while simultaneously ease import tariffs. This causes our nation to lose tax revenue not just from the corporations, but from the jobs they've gotten rid of.

the corporatization of america is also perpetuated by conservatives. forcing hospitals and schools to concern themselves primarily with profit and not their originally intended service. this has caused the cost of education to skyrocket and make basic healthcare impossible unless you have a job with a large company.

confidence in the market went down because of a few things...it's extremely complicated, but one of the major causes was a reduction in consumer spending. this was caused by lost jobs, which was caused by companies looking for a reason to fire people and using the recession as an excuse, which was caused by a loss in profit, which was caused by a reduction in consumer demand...etc ad infinitum

>>2408720
Baww, what the fuck does it matter?
The Bush admin knows that Obama's just going to have all the bills piled on his desk Jan 20th anyway, so why not give him a head start for failure anyway?
It is partisian.

You have absolutely no idea how Obama got elected.
He pulled a bunch of uneducated voters that didn't know shit about government and economics to vote for him.
Not to mention the race card helped him massively.

>>2408577
You sure are retarded. Screencapped for posterity.

>>2408681
>Wouldn't have done SHIT for years though.
i'd take you more seriously if that hadn't been the excuse for 15 fucking years.

now explain to me how R&D on a new, unknown "alternate" energy source, plus replacing all the infrastructure to supply it, plus getting energy companies to switch their plants to it, plus getting consumers to get the new types of cars will be faster, cheaper, and easier.

now explain how we're going to fuel our cars and have electricity until all this is done.

>>2408736
Bahaahaha, corporatism.
Jesus, you are fucking retarded, corporations hardly control the job market.
Most of the companies that horde all of the monies are backed by the government anyway.

I don't think you realize how much money Freddie and Fannie have thrown into the air and how much debt they have created.

This isn't about corporations, or the poverty line, or anything.
In fact, I believe it's been proven that the gap of wealth really hasn't changed much over the past 100 years, it's all just an illusion for you to give up more power to the government.

>>2408721
Why not Palin?
I know that she is quite the religious person, but fucking a, she has the right idea.
Smaller government, less taxes, more individual responsibilities, more of what our country was founded on, that made us successful over these 300 odd years.
It's not like she'd be able to do anything with religious values, they could just toss out any of it in the supreme court.

>>2408577
You are either the worst tripfag or a master troll. I honestly can't decide. I find it hard to believe actually listens to your skewed views of economic theory.

>>2408741
Haha, and that's all you have to say?

You don't have shit to disprove me.

>>2408740

>He pulled a bunch of uneducated voters that didn't know shit about government and economics to vote for him.

Do you really believe Republicans have no claim to uneducated voters who know shit about government. How convenient that you just gonna ignore Rove's Biblebelt strategy, and pretend a problem for both parties is just a problem for one (also, statistically speaking the higher your level of education the more likely you are to vote Democrat, but I digress).

We spend our way out of a recession. That's the government's current policy. It IS NOT a Democrat policy, in fact deficit spending became truly irresponsible only under Republicans like Reagan and Bush.

>Not to mention the race card helped him massively.
I gotta hear this one.

>>2408649
Austrian and heterodox .... pffff. There are few things worse than socialism, and anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism are.

it's fucking "would have". idiot.

>>2408813
>it's fucking "would have". idiot.
wut

RepublicuntLobbyist spends the day browsing /rk9/, posting trifiling opinions, and soaking up everybit of the drudge report.

>>2408802
It's not difficult.
As we've been saying this whole time, we win elections when we run campaigns on things that can help everyone.
Smaller gov, less taxes, more individual responsibility.

The government can be blamed for most of our problems republican or democrat, I don't give a flying fuck. The simple solution is to downsize it, and get them the fuck out of everyone's daily lives.

Healthcare? Government problem.
Housing Industry? Government problem.
Auto Industry? Government problem.
Energy? Government problem.

All of these can be EASILY fixed with TRUE conservative tenants.

Look up the polls on african american voters.
Check out howobamagotelected.com.
Also, the media played a ridiculously huge part in the election.
Not to mention, Obama only won by 52%, not a big victory considering he is the "messiah."

ITT: Epic capitalist retardation, yet again...

Don't you kids get tired of repeating disproved arguments over and over again? You do realize that ignorance is not a substitute for reality...

>>2408740
>pulled uneducated voters
Because the statistics don't indicate otherwise at all.

>>2408851
This is true.
I watch/listen to the news and the markets for about 6 hours a day.

Thus is the life of a lobbyist, might as well prepare early. Though, I'll be gone a lot more next year, due to involvement in campaigning.

The minute you throw around liberal and conservative as pejoratives is the minute I don't take you seriously. 11 words in.

Guess what? Rich people got richer during the surplus, and the richest people are going to get richer during the recession. Blame them.

Oh, and college educated people vote democrat at almost a rate of 2 to 1. So, while I think the dems are as evil and absurd as the republicans, don't pretend like its uneducated voters.

>>2408871
Explain to me where I've been disproven yet.

Show me, and how about this, YOU disprove me.

Oh noes, that's right, you can't.

>>2408873
What do you think Adam Smith had to say about special interests groups?

>>2408883
This type of argument is the essence of trolling.

>>2408876
Education is a very opinionated term.
I'm a Communications major, and I consider almost everyone in my classes to be uneducated.
Most of them are only liberal because that's what the colleges and public education system drills into their brains.

There's plenty of research out there to prove it.
Education is a public service run by the government, when the economy is down, everyone flocks to schools in the name of "getting a better job."
So it's simply in the educator's better interests to get people to rely on government to solve their problems, so they have a strong measure of control over everyone else.

You know, fucking cons fucked the economy.Why should anybody listen to anything they say?
It's only a matter of common sense to ignore imbeciles like OP.

>>2408905
>Communication's Major
Oh my. Okay everyone, time to go home.

>>2408860
>All of these can be EASILY fixed with TRUE conservative tenants.

Right, and when it doesn't work, you'll go "but that wasn't TRUE conservatism"

Define conservatism first

I can't wait til you get proved wrong.

Of course, the minute Obama is elected, the US is doomed.

Never mind those last 8 years, they never existed. Everything is either Clinton's fault, or Obama's fault, even though he hasn't even been sworn in yet. Or Congress' fault, even though they've only had a Democratic majority for about 2 years. Those other 6 years never existed as well.

And, before I forget
>"HEY LETS INVEST IN MORE OIL RIGS THAT WILL TAKE US 10+ YEARS TO BUILD AND ACTUALLY GET ANY OIL FROM, AND MOVE EVERYTHING OVER TO, EVEN THOUGH THE OIL WE WOULD GET FROM SAID RIGS WOULD NOT MAKE US ANY MORE INDEPENDENT FROM OPEC THAN WE ALREADY ARE"
Fixed that for you.

>>2408935
Conservative values : Personal freedom bad, business/economic freedom good.

>>2408895
I don't know, it's not like I've completely researched things about history. I'm more interested in what's coming up.

I don't support a lot of things such as special interests, but the problem is spelled out right there.
If the government didn't have so much power, and was run by greedy politicians, then we wouldn't have to worry about special interests, because there will always be smarter people out there that are able to place their fingers in the heads of key corrupt government officials.

Corruption is on both sides no doubt, but honestly the dems have it worse off.
Barney Frank anyone?
That man fucked up a lot of shit, and nobody is denouncing him for it. Why?

>>2408876
keep in mind a lot of college educated people remain in academia, especially ones that go on to get a masters or phd. college educated people who actually went on to get a real job in the real world tend to not vote socialist

>>2408860
He won by more than 7 percentage points, and an electoral difference of 192 votes.

>>2408935
>>2408958

I've done it three times in this thread.
True conservative values are exactly this: Smaller government (less intervention in everyday life.) Lower taxes, (let the private industry handle things, they ALWAYS do it better.) More personal responsibilities, (if you fuck up, it's YOUR problem, not the government's.)

Private industry does almost everything better.
I'm not talking about completely de-regulating the market entirely, obviously key regulation policies (and I'm a softie when it comes to regulations, I'm for quite a few.) will need to be in place to protect people and such.

As I stated before:
>>2408711
Those are some of the key reasons we're about to get buttfucked by ourselves, and the government is one of the biggest problems of the situation.

>>2408934
Communications major? What's wrong with that?
Minoring in Political Science.

My name isn't "lobbyist" for no reason...

The truth is that this is the culmination of the last 3 decades of pro corporate policies supported by BOTH parties. The bailout which was supported by both parties was a socialist enterprise to publicize the losses that the companies had made for their short term gain while during the times that were great, the profits were private. But when it comes to socialism for the regular people you hear nothing but people screaming about how evil it is. These people have you right where they want you, screaming at each other over whether you are red or blue and completely missing the big picture. Americans are soooooooo easy to manipulate

>>2408963
>socialist
Saying socialism is the quickest way to end an intellectual argument. Not because there isn't a debate around the subject. But because the confusion of what socialism actually is, what institutional intervention is, and this knee-jerk reaction based on the misconception that America is truely laissez-faire.

PROTIP: everyone in this thread is dead wrong.

Fuck producing more oil, it costs too much:

http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse/chapter-17b-energy-budgeting

Fuck bailing companies out, it devalues the dollar. If they were to file chapter 13 they could rebuild their business model to incorporate a new sales angle and likely new energy sources and possibly have an incentive to produce plug-in hybrids, electrics or whatever the greenfags want.

>If you dumb piece of shit libtards actually listened to some conservative insight, you might of been able to pull us out of this situation, but of course you have to ride up on your high horse and ignore what we have to say just because your boy The Messiah got elected.

You do know the Republicans are still in power, right?

(Remember them? The idiots who got us into this mess? Think hard, I know it feels unnatural for you.)

>>2408954
Haha, you're a fucking moron.
Yes, we don't get a lot of oil from OPEC, but that's not the point.
We get about 10% of our oil from Saudi.
Oil is based off a global trade, and is based on future speculations.

One producer raises their prices, everyone else does.
It's called a price-leader oligopoly.

>>2409028

Yes, when in fact we've always been psuedo-socialist. What do people think lobbying is?

>>2409038
Republicans are in power?

You best be joking, nigger.
Democrats almost have the power to overturn the president.
As I said before, it doesn't matter to Bush, he's going to pass this shit now, because it's just going to pile up on the Oval Office desk Jan 20th, and all of them are going to get signed then.

>>2409008
It's a pretty quick indication that I have absolutley no respect for you.

Also you never answered the question about Adam Smith.

>>2409052
Yes, that's correct. Bush is still in office. He's a lame duck, but he's been a lame fuck for eight years, so you are excused for not noticing the difference.

You are not excused for thinking the Democrats are somehow to blame for this Depression that the Republicans have left on our doorstep. That's more like willful stupidity than any kind of human mistake.

>>2409055
I could care less about your respect.
Seriously, why would you not have respect for someone who happens to be a communications major because it's best suit for what they want to do with their life.
It's not like I want to do it, I don't want to go through liberal hell for a fancy piece of paper, but I gotta do it.

Yes, I did answer your question, I said I didn't know.

>>2409080
the economy was great when we had a republican congress in the 90s and alright for the first few bush years if it wasnt for that war thing. its the past 2 years where everything got fucked.

>>2409047
Saying pseudo-socialist implies that we are more socialist than capitalist. It's more accurate to say mixed.

>>2409080
Do you not pay attention?

>>2408711
>Who controls Freddie and Fannie? Democrats.
>Who signed the CRA and the revisions into law? Democrats.
>Who pulled the bullshit under the GLBA? Democrats.

The housing market destroyed the financial market, in which destroyed liquidity within our country, then BOOM recession. How do you not understand this?

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Did you not realize that going with the green solutions to energy would have obvious upfront consequences?

The solutions they could provide mean way more then a fucking stumble in our economy you fucking hick.

>>2409108
You think the CRA has anything to do with this crisis? God damn, you really are a stupid hick.

Go away until you understand the scale of the defaults which possibly could have been related to the CRA vs. those which came from purely private lenders. It's a big fucking difference, and you're six months too late to find an audience who doesn't know about this yet.

>Republican

Stopped reading there.

>>2408658
>>2409052
Why are republicans such whiners?

For real, to listen to them you'ld think that they were all victims of daily gang rape. They endlessly talk about how white men are persecuted and christianity is going to be outlawed and how the gays/blacks/media/democratic party/RINOs are working in unison to de-nut them.

Republicans are so fucking gay.

Nothing cracks me up more than when republicans act as if the democratic party is leftist. If you dropped both parties in any other modern 1st world country, the democrats would be right wing and the republicans would be extreme right wing. Honestly, republicans in the USA have the same fears that germans did about j00s controlling everything and destroying their country. Many democrats are dumb as fuck as well thinking that their party actually cares about the regular people, but at least they are not as laughable as the conservatives. You people are being played like a fiddle

>>2409108

So why should they be bailed out, liberalfag? Even though you didn't say it, cocksucker, you still implied it. Go ahead and print up money, dipshit.

>>2409114
"green" alternate energy is fine and good and everything but it's going to take a lot more money and a lot longer to overhaul our entire infrastructure and get everyone to adopt it, not to mention the time and money upfront for developing the thing. we need fuel in the meantime

>>2409142
Oh boy, you didn't just go there.

How about to go do the research, instead of looking like a completely uneducated moron and check up on how much money Freddie and Fannie are sucking up on practically a daily basis.

The government has spent roughly about 8.5 trillion dollars already, where do you think quite a bit of that has gone?
Freddie and Fannie didn't only back CRA loans, they backed a massive amount of mortgages that were embedded into the secondary market, the CRA was only something that pushed them off a cliff of bad lending practices.

Oh yeah, and guess who oversees those two GSEs?
Lets see.... house democrats.
Yep.

>>2408740
So if we didn't elect him we'd be racist.

If we did elect him it means we pulled the race card.

Stop bringing up race like you know wtf you're talking about.

I have a simple econ quiz here. Take it if you want. The questions are basic economic theory and are practice for the Economic MFT. There are 3 more pages coming.

>>2409164
>Why are republicans such whiners?

Because they are typical attention whores... and thus, worthless.

Report your answers. It's all pretty general.

Most people who talk about economics don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

>>2409173
Wow, you have a terrible reading comprehension level if you can't get the point that I'm totally against any sort of bailing out.

They didn't get bailed out, moron, the government subsidized it, we have only a rough idea of how much money is being poured into those enterprises.
The government needs to stop spending so much money, I think everyone can agree to that.
So why do so many people support Obama?

And finally the last one. How did you do? By the way the actually MFT is a lot more difficult and in depth than this.

>>2409179
Of course we need fuel. We will always fucking need it.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM!

We should have been looking for greener solutions long ago but you know what were fucking doing it now.

It will have consequences and it will be hard but it has to be done.

>>2409198
>The government needs to stop spending so much money, I think everyone can agree to that.

The clowns you Republicans elected twice don't seem to understand that. And you're dumber than you look (which says quite a lot) if you don't understand that.

>>2409088
He thought they were bad for markets.

If you want to know something about Steve Chu,
soon to be Energy Secretary
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GfLaQUD86Mw

>>2409222
because disagreeing with democrats/obama means you love bush unconditionally and agree with everything he says and does.

its totally impossible to disagree with both

>>2409185
>>2409188
>>2409197

There are a bunch of general questions in there, but there are a bunch of specific questions as well.

>>2409164
You people are bigger whiners than us.
>"BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW THE RICH ARE TOO RICH, LETS START A CLASS WAR AND TRY AND STEAL THEIR MONEY FROM THEM TO HELP THE LOWER CLASSES."

That's all I hear from you faggots.

>>2409206
post the answers

>>2409222
I don't care.
I wasn't old enough to vote or speak out in any case.
Don't blame me.

You'll see a huge difference within the GOP here soon in the next 4 years. I don't care about Bush or McCain.
Yes, Bush fucked up by spending a lot of money.
But it's not like a democrat wouldn't of done worse or any better.

>>2409262
just application of general theory, not that specific.

DEMOCRATS = JEWS
THE DEVIL IS AMONG US
OBAMA IS A GAY/TERRORIST/MUSLIM/JEW AND HE WILL SPEND ALL OUR MONEY ON TERRORIST TRAINING CAMPS AND WILL FORCE ALL CHRISTIANS TO CONVERT. FEAR EVERYONE WHO ISNT A REPUBLICAN AND ISNT A "RHINO"
MANDITORY ABORTIONS WILL BE THE LAW OF THE LAND

>>2409269
I won't until I see someone try.

>>2409290
Microeconomics typically isn't going to be very necessary to make decisions on a federal political level.

Anyone coming to 4chan for anwswers about serious problems is either a troll or an idiot. That is all.

>>2409197
only glanced at first two pages, but those look more like micro econ to me. We're discussing macro here.

Bah, the only reason Clinton had a surplus was because he got shit lucky with the Dot Com speculation, and the man absolutely CRIPPLED the CIA and military.

Hell, his hands are coated in the blood of Americans due to his laziness, naivety, and sheer ineffective foreign policy.

The son of a bitch is 100% responsible for what happened in Mogadishu, and the survival of Bin Laden.

>>2409306
A B A C A D A B A A B A C A D A B A C C

There, post.

>>2409325
Really? You must be joking.

mootbloasdkjfheiuarg

>>2409338
Wait, I'll do my answers as well.
I'm trying to make food at the same time, just sat down to eat, give me a second.

>>2409318
It isn't microeconomics you fucking idiot. It covers micro, macro, public econ, externalities, econometrics, and so on and so forth. Just answer the questions since you have such an adept understanding how economics works.

>>2409338
B E A B C C E E D B A C E B E C E B B E

>>2409319
*sigh* Jesus, then where should we go oh wisest of the wise.

>>2409287
>I wasn't old enough to vote or speak out in any case.

That pretty much explains everything.

How about you go away and come back when you're all grown up?

>>2409164
nuh uh.

Try 8 years of

>> BAWWWWWWWWWWWW BUSH.

Come on, they even took all the W's off the keyboards of the whitehouse.

Defintion of Butthurt.

>>2409379
I'm not him, but I'd recommend a non-troll thread here.

Hard to make, what with all the trolls eager to jump on any economics, race, or political thread. Not impossible, though. You mostly need to learn to ignore the tripfags.

>>2408577

Yeah, the Private Sector does a great job with the economy, it's not like they move all the jobs overseas and race to the bottom or anything...

>>2409413
Stop right there. You're just as misinformed as republicunt lobbyist.

dear OP:

the opinions of people who don't even realize that "would of" (instead of "would've," short for "would have") MAKES NO SENSE AND IS SHITTY ENGLISH are worthless.

please go die in a fire, and never vote again, you fucking ignorant bitch.

>Simple fucking solution to this would of been to start building oil rigs like a motherfucker.
Enjoy not getting a extra drop of oil for years.
>On top of that, your democrats are on a debt/deficit spending spree
Except that every Republican since Nixon has ran a huge deficit.

>>2409413
maybe if minimum wage and corporate taxes weren't so high it wouldn't be more profitable to go overseas

this is the greatest. troll. of. ALL. TIME!

>>2409443
It will always be profitable to go overseas for something.
This is because of the price of NOT KILLING PEOPLE.
America will no longer accept treating labor as a disposable resource. That's what's expensive. Not the wages, but rather the physical safety.

>>2409432
The democrats got extra funding from cutting the military.

Carter compromised our stability by naively thinking the Soviets weren't aggressive and going soft on them (see rampant explosion of soviet aggression worldwide)

Clinton tried to choke the CIA to death by cutting it's funding and placing restrictions on it's staff. Clinton figured that the CIA was a relic of the cold war that should be mothballed.

Because of his idiotic decisions, Osama Bin Laden got away, when they had an operation ready to go get the bastard pre-9/11. No single capture plan would ever again match that plan in detail until after 9/11.

Clinton let him get away.

>>2409432
>Enjoy not getting a extra drop of oil for years.
this isnt a fucking excuse, good god. they've been saying "BUT WE WONT GET MORE OIL FOR 5 YEARS" since 1985.

Gee I'm hungry, but if I start cooking ramen I won't get food for 10 minutes.... it's much more logical to start researching an alternate food source and start growing it in my backyard.

>>2409372

B E C# A F# B G# E

Use of 'should of', 'would of' and 'tenants' etc make this guy's posts incredibly rageworthy. That and the fact he's shitting retarded.

>>2409496
CDEFGAB
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derp herp

>>2409511

Don't forget to sage when you point out an obvious, idiotic troll (or merely an obvious idiot).

1. B
2. C
3. C
4. A
5. C
6. E
7. E
8. D
9. E
10. A
11. C
12. E
13. E
14. B
15. E
16. E (opinonated)
17. A

I'm pretty sure I fucked this up, but oh well.

>>2409403
Is that any different then 8 years of bawwwwwwwwww Clinton. They hated him so much that they impeached him over a blow job. Bush who actually did many serious and obvious lies about wireless wiretapping, lies about iraqi wmd, trying to deny the right of habeas corpus, the patriot act... etc. and what happened to him? nothing. Its a shinning testament to the spinelessness of the democratic party and for the republicans, the conniving lust to further their own agenda regardless of consistency. Do you even remember the Clinton years? oh ya, you were probably a child. Im not fan of clinton, anyone who says he was a great president is an idiot, he is a very medicre one at best, however Bush was an honestly terrible president and will definitely go down in history as one of the worst. There is more than enough reason to go around to hate bush, and it has nothing to do with trying to be a cool "bush basher". The people who cant see this are as brainwashed as you can get

>>2409426
Oh really, bitch?

You're a child. Republicunt Lobbyist may be regurgitating the trite nonsense of 17th century economics and republican populism, but if you are going to lecture me, then you had better have some very solid financial knowledge.

I get private newsletters from top economists that cost about $5k a year, you're just a nobody on the internet trying to pretend to be a big deal.

So hit me, what's your take on this, let's hear your bona fides.

>>2409432
Hurr, oil prices are based on future speculations, fucktard.

Learn how the world works before commenting.

who actually listens to Republicunt anyway? I vastly preferred the likes of CapBastard/Economist... at least they sounded a little bit like they knew what they were talking about

>>2409537
16 is only opinionated because it has the word 'tax' in it.

And yes, you fucked it up

B E A B C C E E D B A C E B E C E B B E

>>2409553
Wow man, you're like.
A bad troll.

Nice attempt though.

You're a fucking idiot if you can't see the problem of why companies are shipping overseas.
Last time I checked, Toyota is more than happy to build industry over here.

You probably think labor unions are OMFGNECESSARY.

>>2409553
>I get private newsletters from top economists that cost about $5k a year, you're just a nobody on the internet trying to pretend to be a big deal.
I AM A HIGHLY QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL IN [field] AND AM IN A POSITION TO INFLUENCE THE COURSE OF DISCUSSION OF [topic] BECAUSE OF MY QUALIFICATIONS IN [field], WHICH I WILL LOUDLY AND OBNOXIOUSLY AFFIRM OVER THE INTERNET WITHOUT PROOF.

Wait, who the fuck is republicuntlobbyist working for? Political parties don't HAVE lobbyists, COMPANIES/SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS have lobbyists they hire to harass/bribe politicians.

inb4 he's trolling, that's a given. Not very successfully either, tripfags are pretty easy to ignore, especially deluded LOL 8 YEARS OF BAD REPOOBLICOON ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT CULMINATING IN GLOBAL RECESSION! IT WAS DEMMYCRATS WHO ARENT IN POWER YET! OR SOMETHING! LETS GIVE REPOOBLICOONS A CHANCE! unsuccessful troll is etc.

>>2409586
Holy shit! That's me exactly!

Also, sage for posting in a troll thread.

>>2409547
clinton wasn't impeached over a blowjob, learn something before you regurgitate rhetorical diarrhea again

>>2409586
HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY CREDENTIALS. IF I HAD A DIGITAL CAMERA I WOULD TAKE A PICTURE OF MY THRONE OF GOLD AND MY TWELVE TROPHY WIVES BUT OF COURSE YOU DOUBT ME BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

>>2409589
You're missing sage in many of the available fields. Notably password.

>>2409575
Not in a very thinking mood today.

I got a B in Microeco 2302 though :(

>>2408649
Austrian economics is like the National Socialist Party: For the good of all, let's have a ton of people just die because they are unfit

We like to, sometimes, think of ourselves as helping others get by. Good Samaritan and all that shit.

>>2409602
If you were being truthful about what you said, you'd probably be able to afford a digital camera.

Haha.

>>2409589
What are you talking about...?
Politicians have lobbyists, moron, they use them to try and get people onboard with their policies.

Lobbyists aren't all evil special interests "get people on our payroll so we can pass this bill" people.

>>2409553
Okay, jackass. I don't believe a damn thing you just said. You pay $5k for newsletters from top economists? I find this hard to believe. If you can find an economist that believes that a race to the bottom in wages occurs, and this is because of trade, then by all means be my guest. A race to the bottom won't occur simply because wages are based on productivity. You should know this. And the more productive you are, the better your wage will be.

Just keep stroking your e-penis.
http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/briefs/tbp-019.pdf

>>2409602
Good job on the sage!

>>2409605
>Not in a very thinking mood today.
Being stupid can cause that.
I recommend suicide.

I posted the quiz and I was not this person >>2409635

>>2409635
Hurr, I've passed my economics courses, I don't give a flying fuck what you have to think about it.

I guarantee most politicians wouldn't be able to answer those questions either, that is why they have advisers. At least I can score high on civics tests and such, which only like 40% of politicians passed.

>>2409653
>I guarantee most politicians wouldn't be able to answer those questions either, that is why they have advisers.
Run-on sentences don't add to your smart cred, bro.
Again, I recommend suicide.

>>2409627
Wages are based on Productivity?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Are you saying those Indian Software developers are 1/20th as productive as their American Counterparts?

Or that the Suzhou engineers are 1/100th as productive as their american counterparts?

You are just... wow... hahhahahhaahhaha.... OH REALLY.

And most of Logistics/OPS jobs are outsourced too, those used to pay $120k+

Now done for about $5k a year in Shenzen.

You're clueless and probably still in College.

Anyway, thanks for being subjects to my trolling.

I never really expect you people to come up with anything good to argue my cases, so whatever.
It's at least entertaining for a little while.
Now I'm going to head out with some buddies, enjoy your basements and the thought that about 100 of you were trolled by a 19 year old.

Good game.

>>2409600
At the heart it really was. All the republicans caught him in a little lie that 99% of all men who are found cheating tell right at first "i didnt do it!". So it was all about whether the president could be trusted but at the heart, it was really all about a blowjob. Bush's lies are far greater and costlier to the american nation than any of Clintons were, but Clinton got impeached for it even when 66% of the public was against it. They just never went so far as to convict him after the impeachment. You do realize its a process that takes several steps right

>>2409676
The discrediting of tripfags in general, using your stupidity as the catalyst, made it worth responding.

Enjoy being a loser who thinks he talks smart.

>>2409671
Also, you're a fucking retard.
Wages are relative to their productive society.
Why do you think they don't just simply move to the states instead of working out there in their country.

Jesus christ, you are dumb.

>>2409680
Clinton's responsible for the war on terror.

Way costlier.

>>2409671
w/r=mpl/mpk

>>2409703

Not falling for this troll, sorry, I could explain the argument in terms of the actual relative buying power in india and in china, but really, wasted on a troll.

At least Capitalist Bastard is entertaining, you are just a fag job.

>>2409696
Enjoy being a dipshit and being proven wrong over the next 4 years.
Congrats on thinking you're smart for thinking that I'm dumb.

Haha, that's all you libtards can come up with, is the elitist argument.

CUTE :3

>>2409671
No, I have a degree in economics. I will be attending graduate school for economics in the near future. After working for a bit.

>>2409714

Compensation in real life is never determined by that and instead relies on comparative and socially average forms of payment.

You have obviously not seen the comp practice as it works in a firm opposed to how it works in a text-book.

>>2409725
Once you work more I really think your view of how things go down in real life will change your perspective a bit.

>>2409722
The fact that you're dumb has nothing to do with my politics. It only has to do with your own amazingly obvious stupidity.

Don't merely plod along jumping to faulty conclusions, though. I think you should aspire to jump greater heights. Well, FROM a great height, at any rate.

>>2409758
I'll keep that in mind. Because you've really demonstrated how insightful you are.

>>2409706
Only when you consider that Bush went right a long with the unwinnable "war on terror" and ramped up the waste that was going into it. Also, Clinton kept on with the failed "war on drugs", supported NAFTA (old Bush SR/Reagan plan), and supported the telecommunications act of 96 which helped consolidate media sources in even fewer hands at the detriment to us all. There is no great love for me of Clinton, but if what he has done really pales in comparison to what bush has done over the last 8. The reality is that both parties are actually much more similar than the screaming heads on either side like to say it is. But even though I dont care much for Clinton, he should not have been impeached and Bush should have.

>>2409796
In this case he's actually right. Compensation is sometimes correlated with productivity, but it's really nothing like the text books say, because the barriers to career change are usually high for high-earning sectors, and so the labor supply is generally inelastic.

Thus, your specific productivity MAY determine your compensation RELATIVE to the rest of your sector, but that's about the "best" the real world can do to match the theory.