The *idea* terrifies the shit out of me.

>>2352469
I'm still waiting for Atheist Camp

Horrifying film.

This film was edited to make the people they were filming look like total morons. Yes, the people probably were morons, but probably not to the extent that the filmmakers would want you to believe.

This film is incredibly biased, and it reeks from the very beginning.

This is NOT objective filmmaking.

>>2352496
>This is NOT objective filmmaking.


Is anything today?

>>2352498
As much as I hate to use him as an example, Morgan Spurlock's series 30 days is reasonably objective.

I'm still waiting for satanist camp

>>2352496
>This is NOT objective filmmaking.
filmmaking is never objective, because the second you get into editing, you make decisions on what to show the audience based on your subjective tastes/opinion.

>>2352496

hi butthurt!

hysterical that people are so dumb - scary that people are so dumb.

the part that had me rolling on the floor (in laughter) was when the little kid (couldn't have been more then say 7 or so?) said that he "was looking for more out of life"... please. at that age was he already so downtrodden with everyday life etc etc...

also funny - the part with the leader of the evan church in colorado springs... this was filmed BEFORE the news broke that that guy was a gay pole smoker!!! DOH!!!!! and he ended up stepping down from the leadership role of that church...

oh yeah, and the part with the GW Bush cardboard cut out... priceless.

bring a towel in case you start to get brain washed.

>>2352509
Meh, not really. Got me hating McDonald's pretty hard.

>>2352509
Not really.

>>2352520
How can it be butthurt when it's the truth?

>>2352511
And this film obviously has an agenda. This isnt a documentary, this is leftist anti-religion bullshit

the sad part is the brainwashing of the kids... I mean its one thing if an adult is stupid and wants to join some wacky borderline cult church but to then bring the kids into it? that's just bad news all around...

I suppose a few of the kids will wake up when they get older and start thinking for themselves but most won't...

>>2352542
'leftist anti-religion bullshit' defined as anything that doesn't conform to the right-wing dogma. They filmed what happened. If you don't like it, maybe you should look in the fucking mirror.

>>2352542
"This isnt a documentary"

you are correct - its a COMEDY!

>>2352576
Filmed and EDITED.

Moron

>>2352576
>>2352576
Yeah, and Michael Moore's footage isn't edited to make it say what he wants.

PROTIP: Out of context is a strong weapon.

Left hates religion, no scratch that, they hate Christianity.

ITT People who still have imaginary friends

One of the few unbias docmentaries to gain mainstream appeal. We need more of those.

>>2352588
and the right hate for you to think for yourself.

okay, i dont live in the USA, and I saw this. I know you guys have a lot of fundamentalist Christians and all that, but what I wanna know is: how common are they? do you often run into them in you everyday life? are they all home schooled like the kids in Jesus Camp, or did some of you went to school with kids like that? Also, you can say this is leftist propaganda and whatnot, but Jesus fucking Christ, these people are brainwashing their kids into being complete morons. they have no idea why they even believe what they do because their head is filled with nonsense like speaking in tongues and crying and all that shit, and they are way too young to understand any of it. also, was I the only one who was reminded of Eli in TWWB by that kid with the mullet-ponytail ugly ass haircut? same sense of self-importance and he's just as pathetic as him.

>>2352542
>>2352588

Because it wasn't like one of the stronger semi-protagonist characters wasn't a radio announcer who had a professed belief in god, right.

Leftists don't hate religion, they just hate seeing it, hearing it, and being forced to acknowledge it's right to exist.

>>2352602
I don't hate anyone. If anything the Left hate Christians. So many talkingheads can't stand Palin because she actually kept her downs baby. OH GOD She should kill it because she's irresponsible.

This country has show it's more sexist than racist on several occasions. Black people got the right to vote before women. Black people were voted into office before women.

>>2352635
>>2352635
He is a pussy assed apologetic

>>2352583
Edited from what actually happened, douchebag. The fundies were explicitly setting up Bush as the 'messiah.' Funny how they now try to make it seem as if the left is considering Obama the 'messiah' when they are the only ones who use the word, and they were the fuck-tards who worshipped a frickin' retard like Bush.

>>2352650
shut up christfag

>>2352478
Keep waiting. There aren't any.

There was going to be an Agnostic Camp at one point, but it's still up in the air.

>>2352659
>retard, bush

Funny because Obama is a terrible speaker but he's always excused by the media.

His CHANGE is just Clinton cronies

>>2352659
One instance in one church doesnt account for every christian in america like the film would like the viewer to believe.

/thread

Your whole country needs to be pushed into the sea. Let Canada and Mexico split the territory.

>>2352625
They're pretty pervasive. You can't tell who is one unless they open their mouths, though. There's just as many rational people in the states as the fundamentalists. Though the fundies are much more vocal, and have more money.

I see this thread on here too often, but here I go anyway...

I went to one of these camps when I was in 10th grade. Every single night you go to a large auditorium and some charismatic preacher yells at you about how horrible, horrible, horrible you are and how at the same time God loves loves loves you so much. So you all start BAWWWWWING and the next thing you know you're at the altar spewing tears and begging for forgiveness from some shit you did that really wasn't that horrible.

By the end of the trip, you're psyched to convert the world and most of the guys and girls are now "dating"--well, they're paired off--and then within two weeks you're sitting at your computer jacking off to jpgs of Jenna Jameson like you always do except you're pissing because all your church camp friends are getting handjobs from the girls on the trip.

tl;dr They promote faith based on emotion and not at all on reason.

And as for dishonest filmmaking, remember that Godard said every cut is a lie.

It doesn't matter how much editing took place. The context doesn't matter...

These people are batshit crazy and even without the bias they're still going to be batshit crazy.

>>2352650
I'm an atheist, and while I don't mind religion, I can tell you that what I don't like is people who take it too srsly(aka fundies). I mean, come on, how can you take the bible seriously, it's such nonsense LOLCOSMICZOMBIEJESUS SO RANDUM XD! yet people eat this up as fact and often this prevents the earth's population from actually getting smarter with bullshit like creationism. Religion should be a personal belief that you keep to yourself, and not a substitute for politics or science, and this is why the religious right fails so hard imo.

>>2352625
I live in the shithole south and have only had to deal with hardcore fundies a few times in my life. Believe it or not, most of the local bible thumpers keep to themselves. Of course, it helps that I keep to myself and my family (most of them) have a live and let live attitude. That's not to say that the thumpers don't think I'm going to hell, they just don't bother me with their opinions. For that reason, I don't bother them with my opinions. Live and let live.

I know it's different for some. I've had friends that grew up in some nightmare situations when it came to fundamentalism, but I have, so far, lucked out and dodged the fringe element.

It's on Youtube if anyone wants to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD2Hyiitpys

>>2352681
I went to one also, on two nonconsecutive summers, and I was between 11 and 14.

You don't happen to live in north Florida, do you?

>They promote faith based on emotion and not at all on reason.
>faith based on reason
LOLWUT

>>2352716

That does sound a little funny. But these protestants wouldn't even exist if people didn't have a sit and think about their religion and their faith way back when.

>>2352542
>>2352496

You guys do realize that the actual people they filmed, like the main crazy camp leader lady, actually like the film and agree with the way stuff was filmed and shown.

Pointing the camera is editing. It's a choice of what to show and what to exclude from the frame. Deal with it.

>>2352704

No, I'm from North Georgia. Same shit, though. The South is overrun with fundies. I know as many fundies or lapsing fundies than I know non-fundies. And I only met rational, reasonable, sensible atheists and agnostics (read: not agnostics who are agnostic for the sake of pissing off mommy and daddy or the Whole World) when I went to college.

These camps for the little kids are bad, but the real hardcore ones get you during or just after puberty, when sex and peer pressure are your main preoccupations. Then, BAM. For guys: no sex, no masturbating, no drinking or drugs. For girls: no sex, no masturbating, stop being little whores and gossiping. It really is mind-control. I have become a kind of Christian agnostic, maybe a Christian agnostic Gnostic, if that makes sense. If any religion is real, I think it's the bare-bones message of Christ, but not the establishment(s) that has grown up around it.

>>2352733

I heard the main camp woman was cool with the movie until she started seeing how people react to what she's doing. Then she started flaming it.

I live in Southern Alabama and I think people who don't live in the deep south have some misconceptions on just how rapid the fundies are here.

>>2352625
depends where you live... these people in the film were "evangelicals" their *home base* so to speak is in colorado springs, colorado but there are home spun start up branches all over the place...
this is a more recent cult...er I mean Xtian group meaning they haven't been around officially for too long (at least that what it seems like)... or at least been around in any real numbers - that said, I think their numbers are still pretty small compared to the main stream Xtian groups...

>>2352716
>>2352725


I am : >>2352681

Plenty of reasonable men and women have not rejected faith because it is completely irrational. There are rational aspects to religion, like the sheer tradition of it, the universality of spiritual tendencies, etc.

However, I don't know any reasonable men or women who have accepted fundamentalist faith. It is nakedly, boldly even, irrational.

THIS THREAD IS DARKSIDED

Martin Luther told people to throw out logic and reason in favour of emotion, because it is through emotion that the soul speaks and the mind must be subordinate to it.

He was also a fat alcoholic who hated Jews.

"They promote faith based on emotion and not at all on reason."

well this pretty much is the definition of religion; religion is all based in emotion not reason.

>>2352661

Actually, I'm a secular humanist. Thanks for playing. You get a T-shirt.

>>2352786
>He was also a fat alcoholic who hated Jews.

Maybe he does have the answers then.

>>2352794
shut up, humanfag

>>2352767
Yeah, I'm
>>2352625
and I totally agree with you. I mean there are some things you can't be totally sure of, like the afterlife, nobody's been there yet, and the values of Christianity are good(in the new testament at least, old testament is... somewhat fucked up), stuff like forgiveness, etc... there's good stuff in any religion, you just have to look past the face value and use logic to sort out the good stuff from the outdated stuff that was useful to people living in the desert thousands of years ago...

>>2352794
is it a "jesus camp" T-shirt?!

"I only met rational, reasonable, sensible atheists and agnostics when I went to college."

prolly b'cuz the fundies who were still hard core went to "jesus college" to get "degrees" in "missionary studies" or some such other worthless field...

not so sure about the fundies have all the money statement... I think the evangelical organization (business) prolly has a LOT of ca$h but the individual members seem to be uneducated trailer trash types. I can't see them being all that wealthy...
**generally** an individual who becomes wealthy is also smart, has a good education and a good job which takes smarts and skill... and these aren't the types who would fall for fundie brainwashing... at least I hope not or we're all skrew'd.

>>2353036

Mormons.

>>2352496

Objectivity is impossible.

>>2353329
but I don't think the peeps in jesus camp were mormons; they were evangelical.
mormons are a whole other ball of wax... they are [also] crazy but not in the same [scary] way as these evangelicals...

>>2353402
mormons... I knew a guy in college who converted to mormon so he could marry this girl... went thru all kinds of "classes" to learn all this mormon shit, took him a few years, converted, got married then within a year, got divorced. it was all for naught...

Mormons aren't even really Christians, they're just a fucked up American cult who believe in a faggot who can read rocks no one else can.

>>2353036

Can't believe this thread is still front page.

You're right about the fundies going to Bible colleges. The fundies who go to major universities either freak the fuck out and overindulge in everything that's laid on their table--sex, drugs, skipping far too much class--or they huddle together in sheer horror at the immorality of their peers and spend all their waking hours at a campus ministry.

Concerning the money: In the South fundamentalism knows no socioeconomic class. I know upper-middle-class families who believe the earth is only 5,000 years old. And I know trailer trash fucktards who believe that dinosaur bones were placed on the earth by Satan to tempt our faith. Big business latches onto fundamentalism because the fundamentalists believe in anarcho-capitalism (and yet they want to see a fundie theocracy established in America; they're all idiots). And this half-anarchist, half-totalitarian impulse is met in the furrowed, neanderthal brow of George W. Bush, who believes everything should be privatized AND that there was literally a Garden of Eden where a snake walked upright and talked and a white man wore a fig leaf in lieu of boxer shorts.

>>2353458
You do realise that's just as ridiculous as all other religious bullshit right?

>>2353458

Yet they're still richer and better educated than most people on 4chan.

Anyone can get rich and prop up their batshit insane religion with a ton of money. You just have to be willing to put up with the fuckhard college classes to become an engineer, doctor, or some shit like that, which most of the "actually intelligent atheists and agnostics" seem to avoid like the fucking plague for some reason.

>>2352509

Bullshit, they made vampires look like assholes in that.

>>2352625

Let me explain how the United States works. Basically, around the coastlines is where civilization is. The further you move inland, the more insane backwoods rednecks you have per volume.

Christianity destroyed my family.

(true story)

>>2353797
Kinda like Ancient Egypt.

>>2353684
well I might give you that...

at least the college I go to, no fundies that I know... some if not many claim to be of this or that mainstream religion but, as per typical, don't actually follow or do what their stated religion says so I take those claims with a grain of salt... but far and large no hard core real deal fundies at a real college... they go to jesus bible academy inc. where they learn that jesus and pals hung out with dinosaurs and kept them as pets etc...
heading toward a job with a healthy 6 figure income they are not.

I remember this post from last week. attempt at a new troll? I will say the same thing I said before.


>will do for the Christians what "Mein Kampf" did for the Jews.

>>2353797 People who disagree with me are stupid.

Just started watching this now

feel kinda weird for browsing /d/ while im watching it

I'll just leave this here.

First half is pretty good.
Gets IMMENSELY boring at a certain point, I forget where, I think it's when they start picketing or something. It slows to a crawl.

>>2353797
Good luck grasping to that tried and true stereotype, dumbass.

I know just as many upper crust batshit crazy fundies who play the yuppie role fairly well.

Suburban developments = trailer parks.

Highbrow white trash = lowbrow white trash.

>>2352469
Fucking horrible.

>>2352496
Funny how religious people defend their fraud religion.

These people reminded me of the mother from Carrie. Its sad, even frightening, that they brainwash their kids in such a manner, but as long as the majority of society veiws them as extreme nutjobs they'll remain powewrful only to those stupid enough to swallow their bullshit.

In other words, most of America

Religion was developed to govern people.
Now that we have government, it just gets in the way.
Is there really anyone on 4chan who believes that masturbation is a sin? How about someone who believes in Hell? Anyone?

>>2352542
So that's bad? After all, religion has never been a reason for genocide or war, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=309MCU8TonE

>>2353344
You say that as if your comment were objective. Are you going for a subtle paradox, sir?

I love it when 12-year-olds discuss religion.