What degree are you taking?

>UKfag so don't tell me i'll end up in debt. UK practically pays you to go to uni.

Then go.

>>2158257
>I wanna go to uni to learn
>qualification

So you go for knowledge, or for qualification? These are different motivations, even if the thing's effectively the same.

what the fuck of course you'll have debt unless your parents are poor scum scourge of the earth pieces of shit.

you should go to uni for the career pick a degree that will get you the job you want

>>2158257
The truth is that unless you mix experience with what you learn in the classroom, you will not learn a whole deal.
I studied industrial engineering and half my career i worked in general motors and john deere, previous to that, nothing in the classroom alone made a lot of sense.
Sure the uni experience is very important, but there is no reason you cannot mix that with learning. I did and i loved my uni days

That might be what American uni is like, especially the frats, but it's really not like that in the UK.

It does give you a huge opportunity to socialise though, even if you're a reclusive shut-in, it might be enough to push you out.

Also, 10k a year and you really think you won't end up in debt? It might not be a legit "debt" like Americans get, but it's something like 5% more tax for pretty much a large majority of your life, depending on how much interest you accumulate. I did 2 years of technical college and 1 year at uni for my BSc, so only ~9k debt total. Feelsgoodman. Too bad I never got employed.

>UK practically pays you to go to uni.
srsly bro? I'm going to uni in the UK next year and as far as I can tell it's expensive as a motherfucker

>>2158324
I am almost sure that as an international student, prices trifold easily

>>2158324
It's certainly expensive now considering only a generation ago it was free.

But it's all guaranteed loans from the government at miniscule interest rates that you pay back at a rather leisurely pace, all things considered.

>>2158289
either Computer Science or Chemistry, depends. Mathematics was something I considered for a while but i'll probably want to die before i finish my education. Yr12 atm so I've still got time.

>>2158304
I guess I'm after both.

>>2158324
Tuition fees covered. Then if you earn 21k for the remainder for your life you will not pay a penny of your loan. You pay 9% of whatever you earn above 21k for 30 years then it gets wiped. I also fall in a bracket that will get me a nice maintenance grant. If I work 10h on top of this at piss wage I should still be fairly comfortable financially and I've got a good amount of savings from MMORPG shit I've done in my teens.

you're probably fucked as an international student though

Prepare for either disappointment (possibly including alienation), or competition.

The notion of a culture enriched with genuine knowledge seeking and bening sharing of understanding is largely false.

I mean, you might get lucky and meet a small group of people who share your enthusiasm, but that's like anywhere else. There's nothing special about university per se.

You certainly can learn, but you should know if you aren't getting a S.T.E.M (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) that none of your peers will be interested in learning and they are only there to get drunk and have sex. Also, if you don't get a S.T.E.M then you are a worthless drain on society. Anything that you learn in a Liberal Arts major can be learned in half the time with no drain on your government by getting a library card and doing some independent studying.

>>2158398
I could've done most of my chemical engineering degree without going to uni, you mainly do it for a cheap A4 certificate that proves you aren't a total retard to employers and that you have at least finished something.

>>2158390
If you do computer science you'll probably end up either having to become a network or DB admin, else you're job will probably get outsourced to India.

With chemistry there are also very limited options if you don't want to get a PhD and go into R&D

>>2158422
I agree that even S.T.E.M can be learned independently but most places require you get an undergraduate degree in Engineering to write the certification exam.

>UKfag so don't tell me i'll end up in debt. UK practically pays you to go to un
I've heard rumours and mumblings about the possibility of the UK Government selling off it's student debt to a private party;

and further, that, depending on the rules of the transaction, the party may be allowed to charge interest or introduce repayment schedules for the debt.

So don't be too confident about that one. As I understand the student debt is being accumulated in hope that the future financial circumstances on the UK mean it need not be paid. But if that is not the case, then there could be a sting...

What? They took the cap off of uni debts.
Going to uni in the UK is expensive.

>>2158444
>you're job

>>2158522
The amount you pay back is a contractual obligation that changes each year. For example, mine is 6% above 19k, but currently it has moved up to 9% above 22k.

If they tried to change it retroactively, you could contest it in court, and easily get your loans completely wiped.

>>2158554
not really, they bumped it from 3.7k to ~9k.

You still only pay it back when you are earning over a certain threshold of money (22k atm i think) and it's a flat threshold of your income, taken out as taxes (between 5 and 10%) so you don't even really notice it.

It's much better than the retarded American system that relies on parents saving up their own money to support their pathetic offspring to go and party because of social obligation.

You can do both, you know. Learn and party.

>>2158607
god damn normalfags in OP's thread

>>2158257

>UK practically pays you to go to uni

No they don't, I'm going to finish with 20K debt and you'll have double that

>non ascii text not allowed

wtf? FUCK OFF ALREADY

>>2158622
yes, but OP's younger and his repayments will be much lower. Shit changed liek a year ago or something, his monthly repayments will be negligible, if he gets a job that is

In answer to your question OP, 99% of students are the same braindead morons you had to put up with in sixth form. If you're not a big drinker, you will probably be socially isolated.

I've been here for 2 years and I've never met anyone who doesn't have a LOL GO SO DRUNK AND CHUNDERED ALL OVER MY ROOM XD mentality.

Both sides are educational, social and academic.

You get lots of people who come out of Uni as thick as pigshit, and they are the ones who didn't get the balance right.

>>2158634

It's still costing me 20 grand though (in OPs case it'll probably about 32 grand). Just because I don't have to pay interest and can pay back in reasonable instalments doesn't change the fact I still owe that money.

If I didn't go to uni, I'd be 20 grand better off.

If I could start over I would just go to CC and get certs for random shit. Idk how it is in UK, but in the US there are way more people coming out of uni then there are (professional) jobs available. Take the easy route and get certs (though you will probably get a job that a non-degree holder can get which doesn't pay a lot) or you can go into uni and do something useful like education or health/medicine which will have jobs and pays a lot.

>>2158316
Problem is most of the socialization involves booze. And I didn't want that while I was at uni. So most of the time I stayed at my dorm unless there was some big event at the university union/center.

>>2158663
It's best not to look at it like that, but more as a 9% tax bump.

The real question prospective university students need to ask is whether a 9% tax bump is worth better job prospects (yeah right) and a potential pay grade rise.

>be black
>"PEOPLE SHOULD ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM"
>ok fair enough, we'll try to treat you better in the future

>be gay
>"PEOPLE SHOULD ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM"
>ok fair enough, we'll try to treat you better in the future

>be fat
>"PEOPLE SHOULD ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM"
>er, no. You choose to be fat. It's unhealthy, go lose some fucking weight. It's not acceptable

>>2158649
This.

Although it depends on what subject you choose. Generally, medics, lawyers, most solid sciences and the more obscure and demanding art subjects have a majority of students who actually want to learn about their chosen field.

I am one of the minority in my subject who chose to study it because I genuinely have an interest in it. I chose Philosophy with a view to doing a masters in Artificial Intelligence. Most people on my course chose philosophy because "Derp, lowest number of contact hours" and "easy subject" so they could party hard and still do okay. They're wrong about both things if you want to even pass your first year, let alone get a decent degree classification.

>>2158390
Ah, which unis are you looking at applying to? I have befriended a fair few of the first year compsci guys at my uni, I may be able to offer advice.

>>2158702

Oh lol, Posted this in the wrong thread

>>2158572
I know, mine is similar, but I just don't trust it..

It's a touchy issue because some people chose not to go to university in order to avoid debt or because they judged that they couldn't afford it.

So those people would be right pissed off if, down the line, all those students ended up not having to pay their debts... It just doesn't add up to me.

If you want to go to learn, and you're lucky enough to live close to a uni that isn't shit, then I would say live at home. You avoid the social aspect entirely, just show up for classes and use the library for work.

>>2158398

>Also, if you don't get a S.T.E.M then you are a worthless drain on society.

-posted from my parent's basement

>>2158750
while that isn't exactly accurate the spirit of it is true. we don't need however many hundreds of thousand history graduates we have.

>>2158704
Compsci insider info sounds great since I'll probably end up doing just that. Not really sure what to ask though.

>>2158747
I won't be able to live at home but I will stay well away from the dorms. I'll enjoy the solitude even if it means I'll be a social recluse.

Renting/sharing a flat sounds great.

I'd rather be forced out of social interaction than forced into it.

>>2158810
Sweet. I'm at Birmingham uni, btw (the real one, not one of the fake ex-polytechnics round here), which is top 5 in the UK for comp sci. Obviously, if you're going to be getting A*s and As at A level, fucking apply to imperial right now, because everyone there is suicidal or chinese, so there won't be too much partying. I've directed one of my comp sci guys to this thread, he'll pick up any questions and answer them.

You get to build robots out of lego in your first year here though. Just sayin'. I can also tell you which accommodation to go to if you want to remain un-harassed by the southerners screaming about banter and thundering everywhaaaar.

>>2158864
All compuing and compsci university courses in our country are fucking bullshit.

I did 2 years at a techncial college where I learned how to write software documentation, produced shit loads of software with varying frameworks and functionality, as well as some theoretical stuff like computer platforms and interface design.

Did 1 year (the third year) at university to get my BSc, and they were learning shit like "HISTORY OF CUMPUTING LOL TURING SO USEFUL IN THE WORKPLACE" and fucking BINARY MATHS. How the fuck is this useful?

Then, I picked an Advanced Object Oriented Programming class, the lecturer was fucking fantastic had experience developing legit software and video games like Outcast. These fucking students had been "studying" Java 2 years prior to this, first lecture powerpoint with a code snippet, and all of these uni students are like "what's that 'try' and 'catch' bit?"

Fucking lost my shit so hard. You cannot have written any Java code without knowing what a try and catch block is; I mean, what the FUCK have they been doing for the last 2 years???????

tl;dr: Universities are terrible for practical workskills. Of course, this is just anecdotal evidence based on one university, but still.

>>2158968
That sounds completely the opposite of the course at Birmingham. Sounds like you went to a particularly shitty uni. Was the course by any chance called something like "computer architecture" or just "computing"? Because comp sci courses are regulated, and people call them silly names to get around the regulations.

>>2159043
what should a compsci course be called?

looking to apply to warwick/bristol/bath/durham. i haven't been to any open days yet so i don't know. potentially birmingham since it's also fairly local.

>>2158390
<either Computer Science or Chemistry, depends. Mathematics was something I considered for a while but i'll probably want to die before i finish my education. Yr12 atm so I've still got time.

I attended a good US university so my experiences may be different, but Comp Sci was all math and it's application to computation.

>>2158968
Sounds like an awful school. Also, mathematics is extremely important to comp sci. If you don't see the practical applications immediately, there is something wrong with you.

OP, you will have trouble finding people that are there out of interest. I would suggest trying to get involved with projects outside of class, you will need the practical experience and it might increase your chances of finding someone who gives a shit about their subject. You can find people going for shitty Lib Ed degrees that are intensely interested in education too, but they are pretty rare. Personally I have avoided everyone regardless so I suppose I can't really judge too well.

>that feel when living in an EU country for 10 years, born in non-EU country
>still, no citizenship
>going to be an international student in the UK
>not gonna be able to pay for a full bachelor's, but I'm still going in case I get lucky or some shit
>no student loans either, and my degree (physics & mathematics) is only really useful at PhD level

... what do I do?

>>2159336
Why wont they give you citizenship?

Live in Scotland
>No tuition fees
>Personal Acid ratio of 1.0
>>Disregarding the method that student loans are paid
>Awwww yea!

>>2159345
Well, I've applied for one, but the process will probably only be finalised in 2 years, and then I might get a rejection. Also, we don't exactly have a lot of money in our bank account, which would make things much, much easier (we know a lawyer who makes citizenships for people who don't even live here, for 50k Eur a pop, and 30k Eur a pop if you live here for 6 months).

So, if we had money, we could all get citizenships, which we don't really need because we'd have no problem paying the international fees. Thank you, system.

>>2159082
Computer Science is a proper computing course where people learn about all the technical shit. The exact quality of education will depend on the institution; some have a really heavy hardware/networking bias (Gloucster is a good example) and are terrible for software development.

"Computing" or anything similarly named is usually more general shit, like learning the history of computing or fischer price my first binary maths; it's really only beneficial for career academics or people who want to get into teaching (a lot of people pick Computing as a minor to their BA in teaching).

Of course, it goes without saying that "Game Design" or anything similar is just going full retard.

I'm not sure how things work now but as my university debt currently stands it makes more sense to not even bother paying it back because the interest rates are so low.

>MFW I got the entire maintenance grant and a 3000 pound university supplied bursary and a grant from a local trust for young rural kids and I barely spent any of it!

Sucks to be rich I guess.

>>2159367
>Scotland
>Stable Economy/Politics
>Good place to live

pick 1.

>>2159409
You mad bro!

I bet you've never gone further North than Manchester and saw a few 'grim up north' films about Northern England and disregard anything beyond it as more of the same or worse.

Enjoy your debt.

>>2158398

>Anything that you learn in a Liberal Arts major can be learned in half the time with no drain on your government by getting a library card and doing some independent studying.

I presume you mean in about 10 time the amount of time. As much fun as it is to ridicule liberal arts you are fucking deluded if you think that with a full time job you could cover 22 months worth of undergraduate study in 11 months without already having done a liberal arts degree (and so having the skills to digest dense literature which a degree in biology or whatever will not do). Keeping in mind that you'd have to have the depth of knowledge to be able to write an essay on the subject not simply recite what an introductory book told you.

If you think doing a bachelors in Mathematics is really that much harder than doing a bachelors in something like Philosophy then you are not only deluded but you are also pathetic.

I'm doing computer science in Northern Ireland. It's one of the ex-polytechnic unis and I feel secretly ashamed of myself beacuse of the harassment I get from the cunts at Queens

You only hear "crazy party woo" because they are the only people being loud about it. The "uni experience" just means going to parties more often than before... if you are the kind of person that does that

Otherwise it's just going to classes and coming back, as you'd expect. Or maybe getting involved with societies and the like but mine has none so for me it's just going to classes and coming home

>It's like going to uni has been reduced to "the uni experience" and not the qualification.

I'm not sure what that means. A bachelor's degree isn't worth shit. Not in terms of qualifications and certainly not in terms of academics. You'll realise about halfway through your degree that you when you leave you will still be at the introductory level to your subject. If anything potential employers are going to care more about the fact that you just went to university and you know that you have to jump through meaningless hoops in life.

The point of university is that in today's world you aren't going to have any real idea what you want to do from 18 - 21. You aren't going to do anything meaningful and you certainly aren't equipped to contribute dick to society yet. You may as well go out, act like the kid you still are and learn how to live on your own (which the kiddies that stay at home and get real jobs don't often do) and make connections with rich people in other parts of the country.

The work load for any degree isn't going to be too bad. At the height of your workload you'll still only be doing the equivalent of an 8 hour day. If you are someone that wants to work that means you'll probably have a decent work ethic and time management skills which ironically means you'll find you have shit loads of free time because you got everything done on the first two days of the week.

You may as well go out and take LSD because it's the only time you'll feel free to if you are going to become a standard citizen.