> Are feminists so hypocritical that they'll only support women's actions when they like it?

Babby's first exposure to modern feminism.

because if paying for sex becomes legal we will tolerate less of their bullshit

i channeled my inner 1990s male comedian for that joke and i think it payed off

>>2157454
> Why don't feminists fight for women's right to legally be prostitutes?
Uh, they do.

>>2157454
Because prostitution is objectifying women. Also it drives their men away from their iron grip. They will never support it.

'Sex-positive' feminists do exactly that.

I find prostitution incredibly sad, even when it's not for lack of alternatives.
I'm not against it, their body, their choice, I just can't fathom how can it still exists, in a society offering everyone to access education and skills.

>>2157613

>I find prostitution incredibly sad

I find 6$/hour incredibly sad, a shame I'm a man and ugly and I can't whore myself.

>>2157613
prostitutes get paid more than engineers, if they are attractive enough

There are SOME feminists that support it, most do not, at all. Almost all are not willing to make a big movement out of it.

>>2157629
>>2157627
So easy money is all you want out of life? well, that's sad too

If prostitution was legal, it'd be harder to find underage prostitutes.

>>2157650
I once fucked this whore that looked, sounded and acted 12. She said she was 19. I fucked her brains out. I love Alabama.

>>2157642
easy money and tons of sex. Women have it better than men because they can get paid to fuck. An attractive women is better off being a prostitute than working her ass off to become a neurosurgeon.

>>2157642
easy money provides more opportunities in life

theres nothing inherently sad about prostitution

>>2157677
So personal goals and aspirations means nothing?
Can't a woman being interested in neuroscience and wanting to be a surgeon? Oh right, she only thinks about sex. Silly me.

>>2157707
prostitutes can make tons of money. If you are unnattractive, then you should go into highly skilled fields. If you are attractive, then you might as well get you vagina stuffed. And women are much more interested in sex than men, which is why there are so many sluts.

>>2157642
>money is all you want out of life?

Yeah, I should valiantly struggle through uni with a shitty retail job that I hate instead of getting ten times as much for half the work. If I was a woman I'd be all over it, there's nothing wrong with it at all. I sure as fuck don't find pride in sweeping floors and get the "satisfaction of a job well done" bullshit propaganda.

>>2157707
The point is that if money is important, being a prostitute would get you there faster and more easily. Being well off is a goal for a lot of people including me, because it opens up a huge range of life choices that just aren't available otherwise.

>>2157673
>looked, sounded, and acted like a 12-yr-old
>said she was 19

That means she's 12, knucklehead.

I am pro-legalisation. If we legalise it, we can regulate the conditions that the people who choose to be prostitutes - for whatever reason - encounter. We can make sure they're safe and regularly tested as well as clamping down on women being forced into prostitution, especially young illegal immigrants.

God fucking damn it OP, you clearly have no idea what feminism actually is.
I'm a senior women studies majors and this is pretty much everyone opinion in that field, that sex work should be legalized. Feminists are at the forefront for organizing to legalize prostitution. Cool assumptions bro.
Here's a story you probably don't know. NGO's that the United States funds who work around sex trafficking now have to have the policy of being opposed to the legalization of sex work. There use to be a split in the NGOs. Cool feminist groups working around sex trafficking wanted sex work legalized and had much less hierarchical, moralfag, conservative views about sex. Meanwhile the Christian right organizing around sex work, did not support legalization. This Christian right drafted some document with the Bush administration to only fund NGO's who did not support legalization. The cool feminist NGO's were wiped out. Also Bush started giving funds to these groups if they could find links between sex trafficking and his war on terror. Essentially these groups became far less interested in helping women who were victims of trafficking and far more interested in supporting the war on terror. Btw something similar happened at the turn of the century. Crusades around sex trafficking started because the public perceived that white women where heavily being trafficked (the perception was wrong, it was mostly women of color, but people only became riled up by white women.) The campaign back then that was suppose to be concerned with trafficked women's safety also became a way to increase national security.

>>2157721
>>2157725
So looks are more important than knowledge and career? A hot woman can't be interested in science or physics?

>Are feminists so hypocritical that they'll only support women's actions when they like it?

yes. all feminists want is to get more wages by doing less work. the ideology is built on personal gain, not gain for everyone. it fits completely to the definition of evil.

Most modern feminists are pro-legalization of sex work
Most modern feminists are pro-legalization of sex work
Most modern feminists are pro-legalization of sex work
Most modern feminists are pro-legalization of sex work
Most modern feminists are pro-legalization of sex work
Most modern feminists are pro-legalization of sex work
Most modern feminists are pro-legalization of sex work
Jesus fucking christ OP

lol senior womens studies

in my forced GE womens class the professor got all indignant about how whoring should be legal since "at least women would get paid unlike now"
>implying no woman would ever actually enjoy sex with a loving partner for no material gain
>implying a woman's vagina is a source of currency
you fucking feminists are making me hate women

I'm still waiting for the feminists to focus on the other half of the population.

Sex positive feminism.

>>2157778
>Most
And by most he means a minority.

>>2157765
>So looks are more important than knowledge and career?
If you can make a career out of them, if we're talking about a quality of life, then yes. It's far easier to make a living by looking good and selling your body as opposed to getting an education. Ya know there's quite a few women who used prostitution and/or stripping to get money for their education due to the ease of obtaining it.
>A hot woman can't be interested in science or physics?
Nah, but if she wished, she could cop out and take the 'easy' route of prostitution and quite possibly make more as opposed to being a scientist.

Since money controls so many things in your life, it's always nice to be able to have it, but some routes are easier than others (e.g: prostitute as opposed to biochemist)

>>2157783
Cool "lol my major" w/e, the important thing you pointed out is that OP just decided to make a giant assumption because of his jackass view of feminism, and most all feminists do support the legalization of sex work.
>>2157796
They do! The literature does! Have you ever read ANY feminist writing/theory or do you just go off the popular culture's demonization of the "feminazi. Fucking hell man, do some actual research.

I believe that Ontario recently legalized Brothels.

>>2157807
No. I do not mean that. Why is it even after I tell you I'm very well informed on the subject, and point out that OP is wrong, do you choose to blindly disregard that information? Why? You can't even come up with an intelligent response besides flat out denial? That is just sad and dumb.

>>2157826

WHERE ARE THEY

TELL ME

tell me

>>2157831
Because your information is false. Most feminists do not support prostitution, only some do.

>real feminism
Yeah, I can see that. Women don't deserve to have a shittier life just because of their gender.
>internet feminism
Well, your heart's in the right place. I don't know if the "male gaze" is a real thing-- the person who made it a term wasn't totally serious. Some of your ideas are kind of odd.
>reddit/forum/twitter feminists
(vomiting)

You remember how Dick Frothy wanted to ban porn because lol misogyny? And how they want to ban loli because of the exploitation of the ink?

I give you my word that there is going to be a "feminist defence of copyright" thing coming out soon.

>>2157765
>So looks are more important than knowledge and career?
Definitely. Beauty is the only asset that matters in life. If you are ugly, there is no hope. No one will ever be attracted to you and you will never have consensual sex outside of prostitution (if we had more prostitutes, then prostitution would be cheaper). People who get disfigured should be allowed to be euthanized, and if a a patient is hospitalized for a disfiguring wound, they should not be resuscitated.

I saw a girl two days ago on the bus, who not only had her right thumb and left arm amputated, but her face literally looked like some zombie from a horror movie (for starters, she had no lips or nose; she was really friendly though, which is the tragedy). A person like that can never be truly happy, and she spreads her unhappiness unto others, since they are forced to look at her whenever they go near her. She will never have sex in her life. She made me realized the utmost importance of beauty (and limbs, since I don't see how I can masturbate with a hook).


>A hot woman can't be interested in science or physics?
Hot female scientists are my fetish, but their beauty is much better used in prostitution, which is not hard work, and can actually be really fun. They get paid tons of money anyway.

>>2157843
Well, I've got two weeks till finishing a 4 year program in Women Studies. I have not meant anyone who does not support the legalization of sex work. All my professors do, it is obvious all the students do as well. I do not have a graph, or a statistic, or a link to show you that, but I am graduating from a 4 year program soon and what I am telling you is absolutely the case.
I've told you what my basis is on. What foundation does your statement have? Do you read feminist theory? Are you an activist? Do you visit actually feminist sties? Is this just your perception from /r9k/? Is it just your perception from the general culture? Do you have a reliable statistic?
I told you why I am saying what I do, you are just making a statement, and I want to know what you are basing it on, because to me it quite clearly seems false.

>>2157765

>A hot woman can't be interested in science or physics?

Name three, I dare you.

There are some exceptions, but usually hot woman are interested in "nothing", their life is in "Easy Mode".

This thread is getting off track.

More about underage prostitutes. Less socio-economic posturing

Yo, I think they do?

The system is so open to abuse that far, far more women are harmed through prostitution than benefit from it.

/thread

>>2157890
>thinks anecdotal evidence is actual evidence

>>2157910

>>>/trv/

Ask them about Thailand or Cambodia or whatever.

>>2157733
No shit you jackass

>>2157910
Just travel to Thailand or Brazil.

And feminists are against prostitution because they are against anything that give men the power of choice. Prostitution, sex tourism, PUA, they have all of that, what they want is a legion of hopeless men doing everything they want in hopes of sex, instead of men who know how to get sex without having to tolerate their bullshit.

And about how prostitution is a good career for women, the fact is that every single women who can get money by objectifying themselves will do it, it is just too easy. Only ugly cunts complain about objectification, attractive women know how to benefit from it.

>>2157937
feminists support prostitution as long as it is safe and consensual for all parties involved. Sex positivism is a cornerstone of their ideology. Also note that most women are not feminists.

>>2157897
Women have less opportunity that is linked to power available to them. So not being able to name three hot women physicist actually disproves your point. It's a reflection of exclusion of women from the creation of knowledge and discourse through the mode of science. You can not just look at the individual when describing social phenomenon, there are systems in place as well. You can not simply turn to half the story. That makes no sense. For instance at lower level paying jobs in scientific tracks you find more women, and higher up you find far far less.

>>2157897
There are hot women obsessed with their looks, the kind you'll find in clubs, always dressed and tanned as if they were on a catwalk, living off salads. Yes, those are as shallow as they look.
There are women who not only are beautiful but they're heaps smart too and don't care about sex and popularity. I've met a few in college, my neighbor is striking and she's currently in Europe working as a space engineer, my aunt is gorgeous and she turned down modelling in he young years to become a cardiac surgeon: both are married, pleasant and intelligent and perfectly normal.

Could they have had a better life being models or prostitutes? Maybe.
But I'm glad in this day and age an attractive woman can make a living off her brains too.

>>2157964
Bullshit, the country more dominated by feminism, Sweden, outlawed procuring prostitution, which means you can be arrested if you are a lonely loser who try to lose your virginity with a prostitute. Selling your body is legal there, though, because feminism is not about equal rights.

I know for a fact that I've fucked some preteens on my prostitute escapades. As far as I'm concerned, if she says she's over 18 then I have no reason to think otherwise. Those young ones are usually the best tail.

>>2157925
So you will not tell me your foundation? Anecdotal evidence is weak evidence in a paper, but what I am saying makes sense and is definitely fair in a 4chan conversation. You certainly can just make the assumption that I am lying, so that can continue thinking what you want to believe, but why is there no shred of doubt you could be wrong in your mind? That makes no logical sense on your part, it is clearly self-defense. You also will not tell me what you are basing your information on at all. You intellectually dishonest and clearly demonstrate you have no interest in actual thought or consideration on the subject.

>>2157985
Feminists have criticized sweden's model

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTXh8NQYK7k

>>2157985
Why are you continuing to think that feminist are against the legalization of sex work even after it has been pointed out that the OP had a misunderstanding. You're sweden example speaks nothing about feminists, because feminist are not behind that.
If the country are dominated by feminists then why do only about 30 percent of women identify as feminists and much less men?

I'm surprised prostitution is still illegal. I mean is there any non-religious reason as to why it should be illegal?

They say it's unsafe but wear a condom and its all good.

I mean seriously, you can't act as if feminism was a monolithic block fighting against protstitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution
At least wiki it before making a post about it.

In this thread
>Feminists speak intelligently
> Misogynists argue like total assclits

>>2158051
I am a misogynist and I disagree with OP

>>2158051

In this thread
>Feminists spread misinformation
>Misogynists argue like enlightened philosophers

If most feminists cared about prostitution then it'd be legal by now.

>>2158047
I don't need to use wikipedia for something I read about and discuss regularly. I know that the it is generally broken into two camps, but modern feminist do overwhelming come down on one side, and I have not meant one person on the other.

>>2158085
If most feminists cared about a wage gap it would be gone by now
Wait it's not

>>2158098
That's because the wage gap doesn't exist. You can't something that isn't broken.

>>2158088
>I know that the it is
>I have not meant one person
Are you drunk or something?

And you're just bumbling around drunkenly in your argument, too.
>make OP claiming feminism as a whole had a coherent stance on the subject
>claim some knowledge regarding the subject
>base this on not personally knowing individuals representing the other possible stance

>>2158132
The word "the" was accidentally put in as extra and I spelled a word wrong. Oh no I am bad at spelling and I'm typing fast because I am making lots of post. Not actually commenting on the content of the post is amazingly obnoxious, and trying to insult me by asking if I am drunk is equally unintelligent.
Also:
>make OP claiming feminism as a whole had a coherent stance on the subject
OP is saying that.
>claim some knowledge regarding the subject
>base this on not personally knowing individuals representing the other possible stance
I do have a lot of knowledge on the subject, sorry. I have talked to shit tons of people, and I'm sure there are people who do not agree that sex work should be legalized, but all I am saying is that the overwhelming amount of modern feminists do super the legalization of sex work. Not only do I talk to student, professors, and others, who identify with feminist politics constantly, but I read theory tons, and pretty much no respected academics are against legalization either.
I stand by everything I said. Deal with it.

>>2158217
welp crap. Super should say support.
Hurr Durr that must make the content on my post invalid

>>2158217
>The word "the" was accidentally put in as extra and I spelled a word wrong. Oh no I am bad at spelling and I'm typing fast because I am making lots of post. Not actually commenting on the content of the post is amazingly obnoxious, and trying to insult me by asking if I am drunk is equally unintelligent.
yo relax

>the overwhelming amount of modern feminists do super the legalization of sex work
>super
>... feminists ... do [support] the legalization of sex work
I thought
>... feminists [don't] fight for women's right to legally be prostitutes
>All I hear from feminists is ... opposition and blind insults about prostitutes

I thought you were the OP or at least somebody else agreeing with his view that feminism monolithically opposed legislating (and legalizing) sex work don't confuse me pleaseeeee

>>2157494
Shhhhh.

It's a hate thread. Let them be. It's all they have.

This thread: Neither side has any evidence whatsoever to backup their claims but we're going to argue which is better anyway.

Unless you have statistics and hard evidence, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

>>2158271
I've been making posts all thread just trying to show OP and other posters that most feminists do support the legalization of sex work. Even if you don't agree or believe me on that front, I'm sorry if I made you upset with my post. I'm sure your heart and mind is in the right place judging by your trip. I am just riled up and pissed off from this thread, and it seems we have possibly had a miscommunication.

>>2158331
This. None of you have any proof what the "majority" of this group views.

>>2158364
Eh IDC really, I've eaten enough pudding today to chill through anything the internet could serve, I just wanted to post the wiki so lazy people would realize that feminism is not monolithically opposed to sex work as a whole, and specifically legalization thereof.

>>2158371
"Proof" is a tough concept for me to buy ever. People need to get away from the idea of proof and realize that what is normally proof is just evidence. Some evidence is stronger than other evidence, but there certainly has been evidence in this thread. Enough to normally establish proof in a conversation.
If you care just do a Google search. You can see after reading around that it is usually feminist in support and a Christian right against. At the very least it is more conservative feminists against the legalization, and generally those with more biologically deterministic views. Whatever through, I probably do not have a good enough way to "prove it to you" but only because you don't want it to be proven. Normally if someone with a degree in physics tried to tell you something from that field you wouldn't say "prove it" you would just believe it, or if a poli sci major told you about a dominant theoretical concept. Sure if would be hard to really prove it is dominant, but to not believe it is just to make the assumption that it is a lie. And I think you should probably ask yourself why that is not the case here. What I've been saying is not just useless evidence by normal standards. And to be clear I never claimed a monolithic consensus, just a very large majority of modern thinkers. A very large majority is the dominant theoretical strand of thought right now.

>>2158492
You can prove it with statistics. All your evidence is anecdotal evidence. There is no proof what the majority does, only that feminists have different views. Do you have solid indisputable numbers that say what the majority believes in? No? Then shut your mouth. Nothing you have posted says anything about the majority.

>>2158528
No, this is exactly what I am talking about. Statistics are not proof they are also evidence. Anecdotal evidence is much weaker if the stat is reliable sure. You need evidence to have more degrees of proof, but you will never know for certain absolute truths. Everything can be disproved, and complete understanding are probably nonexistent. Even gravity probably has more to know then we currently do.
My point is that normally establishing that you are knowledgeable in a field of study, and then just pointing out that generally there is a theoretical camp most people subscribe to in that field of study, would not warrant statistics. No one keeps those kinds of statistics anyways. Generally in most conversations, anecdotal evidence to say such a basic statement is acceptable. The only reason you are not accepting what I am telling you to be true about my major is because it is women studies. If I was poli sci, and I told you that most political scientists generally subscribe to one idea there would not be such butt hurt.

there is a huge pro-prostitution legalization push from liberal women in general under the desire to make it safer for those involved