nice try troll

stemblex

>>If libertarians had their way, the government would be powerless to defend animals like Polly from abuse.
Sounds good to me.

Either way, the government doesn't have the power to defend anyone against anything. They can only do something after the fact.

Why the FUCK does the government have an obligation to care about kittens? Sure, they're cute, but protecting them from abuse by retarded teenagers seems to me to be a pretty clear example of something that should be left to the citizenry to handle themselves, free of outside interference, like marriage.

Even though this is a poor attempt at trolling, I'll just state that libertarians aren't inherently against animal rights. The government's purpose is to protect rights, including animal rights.

There are some notable libertarian vegetarians, including Robert Nozick, who pretty much founded modern intellectual libertarianism, and in the same book gives an argument for animal rights.

Also, nobody would have gotten to the Moon, smallpox would still be around and America would never have created an army large enough to beat the Japs.

This is such a deliciously biased argument. Kudos to you OP.

I would do one for children and conservatives, but I have homework to do. Carry on.

This thread is Fair and Balanced.
All are allowed to argue their point.

>>2131863

This. Also, AWWWWWW IT'S A KITTY

Social Libertarianism makes a lot of sense, and I think it's the part that people find most appealing. Basically that you should have the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want, as long as it doesn't harm others or prevent them from exercising the same freedom.

Fiscal Libertarianism is utter failure actually WORSE than Capitalism, as it would engender corporate tyrannies answerable to no one.

I have zero compassion for people who brutalize animals. Police should just shoot them in sight.
THEY SHOULD KICK THEM AROUND LIKE THEY DID WITH THAT KITTEN, IT'S A CREATURE THAT FEELS PAIN JUST LIKE WE DO, IT DESERVES BETTER.

>>2131863
Citizenry aren't allow to do shit to dumb teenagers. I can't tell you how often I have wanted to smack a kid across the face, and didn't because I didn't want to be sued or go to jail. Its a sad system, especially considering how weak willed most parents are these days.

I'm saying to beat your kids, but beating animals to death should at least warrant a fucking time out. Fuck I hate parents these days.

>>2131931
this! unless the cat was rabid and trying to attack them they have no reason to beat up a kitten and should be tortured and put on a list for life so they can never get a job

Of course the government should defend animals rights. Just like it should defend the rights of babies, retards, and other humans who have less than or equal to cognitive abilities of animals.

How come it doesn't say what happened to the teenagers? If the person who saw this probably just rescued the kitten without doing anything about the teens, then that doesn't make sense.

>>2131966
Would you employ someone who tortures animals? Fuck those retards, they should know that actions have consequences.

>>2132006
Maybe they fled the crime scene I dunno

Too bad they didn't arrest them, otherwise we could get /b/ to find out who they are and literally ruin their lives.

fuck you faggots. it's just a goddamn cat.
and you want to kill someone? srsly, get a life.

By eating meat you increase the number of animals that live their whole lives in tiny cages. Many of them never see the light of day, are injected with chemicals, literally are forced to walk on and eat others of their species in the same cramped cage, and they live from birth to death in absolutely horrible conditions that they are completely unable physically or mentally to deal with. I eat meat all the time and I would not like these people either, but what's the difference between ordering but not eating a large piece of beef and then not eating it and torturing this cat to death? Your actions have similar consequences. If you only ate meat from animals that got to live freely or even if you just licked the bones dry then maybe I could see the difference.

>>2132117
If there's an arrest I'll get them to work on it, don't worry.

Disregarding OP's trolling, what sort of faggot would kick a cute little kitty? They should make hurting cats a crime punishable with public execution.

What. Since when does the government have to do with kitten saving. I could have walked up and saved the kitten myself and covered the expenses myself if I felt like it, just like whoever did in the video.

I do not understand your troll argument.

>>2131863
Because the government ALSO doesn't allow you to beat the shit out of retarded teenagers.

There are just some things people need to get fucked up for.

>>2132135
Cats feel pain as wel. It's not about AWWW POOR WITTLE KITTENS only, but rather the fact that only a sick sadist does that to an innocent creature. That kind of individual shouldn't be allowed to walk in society.

Question to everyone: You're walking past a park, and you notice a couple of teenagers kicking a kitten around, you can hear the yelping cries. What do you do?

I'm all for an eye for an eye here. Do onto them what they did to the animal.
I remember a movie where a kid takes his friend's dog and burns him alive just so he stops dating his sister. Sick shit.

>>2131922
Actually, it leave corporations directly answerable to the people. Exploiting your customers isn't a good long term business plan.

>>2132235
call the police so that the teenagers don't kick my ass

I'm a girl, 5'1", 95 lbs

>>2132235
I yell at them, and then threaten them. I'm fairly sure I could kick their asses if they're the kind of guys kick kittens.

>>2132235
I'd tell you in private...

This is silly. We don't know what that kitten did to deserve a kicking. Maybe it was kicking a hobo. Lets hold judgment until the kitten can be questioned.

Shit like this makes me fucking hate all teenagers

>>2132235
I shove pine cones up their asses then make them run a marathon. Homey don't play that.

>>>>2132235
Do the right thing, call the police against these abusers.

>>2132235
i fuck their shit up. then i flee the scene of the crime, as i just assaulted some damn little kids.

It's just a cat. If Libertarians had their way grocery stores would use the dewey decimal system.

>>2132364
It sounds like you don't know what the fuck it even is, just that it's not Capitalism, which must mean that it's some form of Communism, which means that it's bad.

>>2132392
I'm afraid you missed the joke, good sir. It's a play on the similarity of the way Librarian and Libertarian sound.

I was terrible with animals as a kid. I kicked dogs, drowned cats, threw them to the dogs and threw stuff at them but I felt so fucking guilty about it. As I grew up I learned to control my impulses and treat animals with the love and respect they deserve. As a way to redeem myself, I bring cats from the street home.

>>2132432
My point is that animal abusers can find redemption, and giving them a criminal record or hurting them won't help.

If libertarians had their way, they'd sell our children's organs to zoos for meat! And they'd break into people's houses at night and wreck up the place!

>>2132410
Fuck, you're right, I totally missed it. SAGE for myself.

If communists had their way that cat would be public property so anyone could do whatever they want to it.

>>2132432
You should kill yourself instead.

if bureaucrats had their way, the teenagers would have had to fill out lots of paperwork to kick the kitten around, and the kitten would have had to fill out lots of paperwork to get surgery.

Libertarians are some of the dumbest people on Earth.

>>2132467
Why? I made mistakes as a kid, I felt incredibly guilty for them and now I'm trying to do good, to make up for it.

If conservatives had their way, those teenagers would get a medal and the kitten would be sentenced to death for allowing itself to be beaten.

...


...


WHERE ARE MY CATS I MUST HUG THEM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>2132432
>my impulses
What are you a fucking serial killer in training ...you have the hurting animals down

what normal people get these impulses?

>>2131875

Most forms of Libertarianism say that the government should only do things that are incapable of being done without the government.

Ergo ....

>>nobody would have gotten to the Moon
1. Wow, going to the Moon sure did accomplish a lot ...
2. We would get to the moon eventually, as evidenced by the recent increase in corporate space programs.

>>smallpox would still be around
The smallpox vaccine wasn't discovered by the government.

>>America would never have created an army large enough to beat the Japs.
This is one of the things that a Libertarian government WOULD still have power in, since there's no non-government solution to international war.

Fuck animals.

>>2132511
NO FUCK YOU


INNNN THE AAAAAAAAAAAAAARMMMSSS OF THE AAAANGELLLLL

>>2132510
but without the moon launchings we wouldn't have had a cover for deploying our secret espionage satellites to help us win the cold war against the russians

If democrats had their way, those kids would've been aborted years ago and never savagely beaten animals like Polly.

Once when I was a kid I took my cat with me on our trampoline, and jumped up and down with it. The cat hated it, and tried to get away, but I didn't give a shit. I just held him there and kept bouncing. A few bounces later he shit all over me and ran away, and I was left standing there covered in shit.

I learned a valuable lesson that day.

If kittens had their way, they would beat up helpless teenagers.

>>2132524
That is such a guiltrip commercial.

>>2132235

To be honest, I'd probably kill them with my knife. It's not something I'm proud of, but at at least one point in my life I've realized that I could and quite probably would one day kill someone for things nobody else sees as worthy of capital punishment.

I know this because the first thought in my mind when read this thread was that I'd like to flay them alive, force them to rape eachother at gunpoint, and then drown them in a vat of alcohol. My next thought was that I had an erection while thinking about this.

>>2132432
>>2132445
>>2132480

If I was put into a room with you and told that my actions had no consequences, I would kill you. That's not internet tough guy bullshit, I mean that.

>>2132488
I don't know how to explain it properly. I just got this weird feeling when I was holding down a cat, it was like a game, but when it stopped breathing I felt so fucking guilty and scared.

>>2132551
I'm telling you I'VE CHANGED. I was a stupid kid, not a serial killer. FUCK.

Yeah, I guess OP is right.

But people would have the free speech to tell anyone and everyone the identities of the people who did this to a cat.

Also: I'm pretty sure that kind of shit doesn't happen too often.

The funny thing is, I bet every single one of you BAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWing faggots eats meat.

You're just as guilty as this guy:
>>2132554

>>2132565
Protip: They're trolling you.
Kids do stupid shit, don't dwell on it.

>>2132575
A 10 year old who kills someone is very very rarely charged with murder. My actions as a kid don't define who I am today.

>>2132575
you see there is a subtle difference killing cute things are wrong and killing ugly animals for food is not also cute is subjective hence vegans

IT'S A FUCKING CAT
WHO CARES?
NOT EVERYONE WHO ABUSES ANIMALS IS A MONSTER

>>2131821

The cat would have died but we would have had more money. How is that an example of libertarianism not working?

>>2132608
Says the Monster

Come on people, you can't debunk this:
Yeah, it's a horrible thing to do to an animal but
I did it
And I changed
It doesn't necessarily mean you'll become a serial killer, and you can grow out of it

>>2132551 Here.

>>2132592
If I saw a ten year old doing that I would kill it.
>>2132575
I'm a vegan. I have thought about eating the flesh of my still living victims, though (I'm not kidding).

>>2132643
Fine, I would kill you then "redeem" myself later. That would make it totally ok. You wouldn't object to that at all. Because you'd be dead.

>>2132643
shut up, Manson.

>>2132664
That's not my point. My point is that a kid isn't capable of forming a criminal intent.

>>2132643
>>2132592
>>2132565
I think this guy is going to kill himself.

>>2132677
your personality is more or less set in stone after the age of 5. outside of stuff like near-death experiences, people don't change.

>>2132664
Also, I've made my peace. I accept what I did, and that I can't reverse it. I can only try to help animals from now on.

>>2132643
http://www.ehow.com/how_2283785_recognize-early-warning-signs-serial.html

you have sign 1 down already and i don't know you so i can't tell if you have the other signs but these are just signs meaning you could be a killer and not have them all

>>2132677
And my point is that there is no such thing is redemption.

>>2132643

You may think you have changed, but you haven't. If you were capable of doing that as a child, you are more then capable of doing that as an adult. The only thing that has changed, is that you've learned that society will not accept your behavior, thus you repress it.

tl; dr
-you're still the same sick fuck that you were as a kid.

>>2132709
That's your opinion. Maybe I won't be able to purge my record clean, but I can spend the rest of my life trying.

>>2132718
It has nothing to do with society. I could do it in private, but I won't. Because it is wrong and I'd feel like shit.
I lacked empathy, and I developed it as I grew up.

>>2132432
pretty fucked up

>>2132551
the REAL criminal in this thread

You're all cunts good night

I think the pet torturer killed himself guys.

we were chatting in AIM and he's not responding

haha jk

You have three options.

One hand is a defenseless kitten who doesn't know right from wrong and is getting kicked around by punks.

On another hand is an average person getting kicked around by punks.

If you can only save one, guess which one you'd save?

>>2132835
good, we don't need worthless scum like him in the world.

this is why the world must end.

gg guys. thanks for screwing it up for the rest of us.

I want to adopt him ;_;

>>2132869
The kitten of course.

>>2132869
Whoops, forgot to count.

The Third Option is a girl getting beat up by punks.

>>2132985
2132977 here. Same answer.

>>2132869
>>2132985
The kitten. The people should be able to defend themselves, and likely are meat eaters and so the same as the kitten beaters.

>>2132869
on my way to save the kitten i would call the police and tell them that there is a gang terrorizing the people and animals in this area while also taking a picture or two of the culprits for later identification

Cats eat meat. Where is your god now?

>>2132869

I try to save both, but I guess it would depend on the circumstances. Of course, if they're wailing on a human being and I believe that the person on the receiving end is in mortal danger, I am authorized to use lethal force after exhausting non-lethal methods.

>>2132551

hahahaha oh wow I hgope you're a troll because if not you are the most fucking hilariously pathetic/retarded poster I have seen


anyway, kittens aren't even sentient, you people who are saying ID KILL THE KIDS BECAUSE KITTENS ARE CUTE AND ID TORTURE PEOPLE WHO ABUSED ANIMALS are completely full of shit

You're reasoning is probably that kittens are innocent and people are mean sadistic liars who don't care about each other, and that's fucking ironic

Yeah its a shame, and the kids should be severely disciplined, but grow the fuck up

Under a libertarian government, whoever caught the teenagers could have summarily executed them.

>>2133117
>kittens aren't even sentient
lol proof or gtfo nigger

>>2132869
>>2132985

1) Girl is not an average person?
2) Screw picking one to save. I severely injure the punks.

>>2132869
Save the average person, tell him to go save the kitten, and then I'll save the girl.

>>2132869
save kitty
laugh at average person
rape the girl

>>2132235

Call police, then place them under citizens arrest. Then when they flee, use reasonable physical force to detain at least one of them. THEN when they or the others assault you, draw your weapon in self defense and do some damage. So much nicer to deal with later than jumping a punk with knife drawn. Then again, if THEY'RE armed.. you might fuck yourself.

>>2131875

Great...going to the moon. That was a real success. I mean it's just so amazing how we got there, took some rocks and left. Really amazing.

The main purpose for going to the moon was just to give money to rocket/missle technology. Going to the moon with humans is just a horrible way of exploring.

>>2133243
Pfft, you're just pissed you didn't get to go. Low grav feels good man.

>>2133250
You can experience weightlessness through extended freefall from jumping off of a tall building. I suggest you give it a try.

>>2132235


Beat the fuck out of them.

>>2131863
>seems to me to be a pretty clear example of something that should be left to the citizenry to handle themselves

Preferably with baseball bats.

>>2132175
LOL. *kicks kitty*

>>2133117
>kittens aren't even sentient
[citation needed]

>>2135505
cats usually have 4 legs
[citation needed]

On the who-to-save thing, I'd probably go for the kitten since the people are generally more capable of self-defense.

But what I find really scary is how people are readily willing to accept that "kids do stupid shit". That one guy said he developed empathy as he grew up. I believe him, but if you think about it, kids are inhuman sickos and get away with doing sick shit to animals and other kids that would land any adult in prison/mental treatment. I'm not just talking about hurting animals, but also terrorizing, mass-bullying and beating up other kids and shit like that. FFFFFFFF