nope, no reason at all. if we allowed gay people to be gay, we'd probably lower the population a little, since they can't reproduce.

because you're a tripfag...just like me.

If fags and dykes evolve their own faggy dykey culture and created their own definition of marriage, could they get married legally?

>>2088793
I suppose. But that culture would be fucking hilarious, a culture entirely of homosexuals. They'd have a huge gender-war, resulting in subcultures of manly women who rape men to have children, and very skinny men who are good at interior design.

what is the purpose of this marriage that you speak of?

ANYONE can marry someone of the opposite sex, not just straight people.
NO-ONE can marry someone of the same sex, not just gay people.

It's fair.

>>2088831
it's not about fairness. Fairness and equality are lies propagated by politicians. It's about the logic of denying them the right.

>>2088830
What purpose does any marriage have?

i don't have a problem with marriage but one thing i'm not so sure about is gay couples having children. i just can't imagine how that child would grow up would they grow up thinking that being gay is normal and thats how they're supposed to be??? i personally don't think gay people are born gay and i think raising kids in an unnatural setting like that is unhealthy for the kids anyone care to discuss???

Stop making threads on this. It's pretty much the consensus on /r9k/ that Proposition 8 was bullshit, and the half of Californians that voted yes on it probably are too busy praying or something to be on this site. Anyone who claims to have voted for it here is trolling, so you're not going to get any actual discussion.

>>2088764
>you're

lol, nice try, op, but christopher walken knows when to use "you're" and "your"

MY COCKSUCKING BRETHREN

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, OR

JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS ANYMORE

>>2088996
0/10

nice try, though.
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I'm torn on this issue.

On the one hand, why not?

On the other, why must these people insist on having religious ceremonies? I don't sympathise with that. If you're gay and a christian, you have a few issues. They should put up with civil partnerships.

Faggots don't need marriage. What they need is being shot.

>>2089273
Yeah but why? America: Land of the Free UNLESS YOU'RE DIFFERENT THEN FUCK YOUUUUUUUU

government has no authority over religious beliefs and ceremonies. Prop 8 is unconstitutional.

Take a look at the voting demographics of Prop 8:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1

Guess who the majority was who voted FOR prop 8?

Yup, African Americans.

Finally they break down the last barrier of racial discrimination by having the first black president and what do they do?

They just voted that "separate but equal" is OK and discrimination is just fine by them.

I have never said this before in my life, but it applies now:

IGNORANT FUCKING NIGGERS

Wow, out of all the black who voted on prop 8, 70% of them voted for it.

WTF?

>>2089359
Education part of that made me lol as well. And by lol I mean hate my fellow man, but find some black humor in it.

Proposition 8 was a bullshit anyway. What kind of fucking equality it is, if you pick out just ONE deviant group to give them "equal rights", ignoring everything else?

What about pedo couples? What about marrying anime characters? What about marrying animals? Robots? Sex dolls? What about polygamy? As long as all these kinds of marriage are not recognized, I see absolutely no reason why we should favor homos in any way.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS BORING AS FUCK ISSUE SEVERAL TIMES.

Homosexuals can't get married, BOO HOO. I don't give a fuck if some faggot wants to legally show that he is plowing the ass of his faggot boyfriend.

They should never have been given that right in the first place. Proposition 8 was simply a correction of a previous error.

The only people bitching about this are faggots themselves and whiny, ignorant teens who want to cling to a cause that makes them feel mature and "intellectual".

Openly bisexual men shouldn't be allowed to raise kids, they're too slutty to handle the commitment of marriage. I went to Sarah Lawrence, I know what I'm talking about.

Classic bi trick: claim to be totally gay, then when you fuck a girl just claim it was drunken mistake the next morning, can't stay together, "Sorry baby, I'm gay." Rinse and repeat. I guess it would work the other way around too but there were so few guys at SLC that it would get around campus way too quick.

You wouldn't even believe how common this kind of shit is. Bi males may only be 60% gay but they're 100% slut

Does a civil union have the same legal benefits and recognition as a marriage?

If so, I believe that it is the right of the church (Catholic, Episcopal, Lutheran, etc etc) to deny people the right to marry if they so choose. Marriage is a religious practice that has legal implications. BAWWWWing about churches and religious people not wanting gay marriage in a way is like bawwwing at the boyscouts for not letting girls in.

If civil unions and marraige are not legally the same, then yes. You may bawwww and I won't try to stop you.

>>2089358
I agree with you. However, marriage has legal implications (mostly taxes I think) which go back pretty damn far in history, so I guess there is some link. The government cannot force churches to either accept or deny gay marriage. (Just like how they couldn't force the boy scouts to accept girls when some guy brought up a lawsuit against them to get his daughter in).

>>2089430
Uh, retard. Prop 8 passed, BANNING ONLY gay marriage. It was legal before prop 8.

>>2089457
you can't read very well, can you?

>>2089430
Your argument isn't entirely valid. Two consenting adults is the real requirement. You can't get those with machines/animals/pedos.

Personally, I think civil unions should be good enough for you whiners.

You already answered your question. There is no reason behind this except discrimination. America may pretend to be full of equality and freedom, but that's complete bullshit. Hell, we had the Civil Right Act of 1964 in... you guess it, 1964. We're STILL fighting racism and whatnot. Prop. 8 is just more proof that most Americans are Christian hypocrites, and I'm getting sick and tired of it. I'm moving to Canada after Obama is out of office.

>>2089526
Of course you can. If an adult and a child consent to sex, why shouldn't they marry? If a human and a robot/animal/doll/anime character consent to have sex with each other, why shouldn't they marry? I can consent to sex with myself through masturbation, why can't I just marry myself? Multiple people can consent to a gangbang, so polygamy should be allowed as well.

And anyway, since when marriage == sex?

Gays shouldn't be allowed to marry for tax reasons. Some of you are too stupid to understand this.

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READ. STFU.

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I live in California and I voted no because I do not have the right to make that decision about other people's lives.

>>2089526
I think the best solution I ever heard was to separate 'marriage' from government and leave that to the churches, while making 'civil unions' the norm.

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READ. STFU. FUCKING FAGGOTS.

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There is no reason why gay marriage should be outlawed. If anything, it was probably a reaction to all the right-wing christfags being all butthurt at the idea.

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READ. STFU. FAGS.

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>>2089438
I'd facepalm if all of them weren't mutable.

lIT: butthurt fags, literaIIy

>>2088764
Prop 8 passed because fence-sitters were swayed by the ridiculous scaremongering advertising funded by Mormons.

>>2089438
Your point means nothing if you have no reasoning or logic with it. You can walk up to someone in public and call him a fag all day long, but does that make it true? Or is the real fag the one who's actually doing that all day, and probably only goes home to attempt elitism on r9k?

>>2089444
Under California State law couples in a state of civil union are entitled to EXACTLY the same rights as a couple in a state of matrimony.

No legal rights are being denied here, save perhaps the ability to Shanghai a term which, even in the most homoerotically inclined or athiestic of past cultures, was never used to denote a coupling between members of the same gender.

A better question would be why are homosexual couples frothing at the bit to obtain the term marriage for their own use and willing to alienate the greater part of a civil society perfectly willing to give them identical benifits under a different name trying to obtain it?

Here's where I stand:

Marriage should be between a man and a woman, but gays can get civil unions that give the same benefits as marriage. If you deny them CU's, you're only hurting the child they adopt. They can call their union what ever they want except marriage. It's like what "Twilight" did with vampires: you change so much of the original concept that you can't call it that anymore; it has become something else

tl;dr- Marriage is for straight people, Union is the proper term for gay marriage.

>>2090480

You are a dull faggot. Hope you die.

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>>2090518
Actually, homosexual marriage does have a historical precedent; it was only banned in the Roman Empire in the year 342. It had been performed prior to that, though it was rare.

>>2090522
But WHY does marriage have to be between a man and a woman? It's just a word. How does having two people of the same gender getting married affect any heterosexual couple in the least? It's just retarded religious bullshit.

Destroying the sanctity of religion? Bullshit. what about the 50% divorce rate? What about retards like Brittany Spears getting married twice then annulling them in less than a week? What about gold-diggers after an old dude's money? Marriage hasn't been sacred for a long fucking time.

Gays should be allowed to get married but not dudes. And only hot lesbians.

Marriage should be banned. For everyone. Or at least not recognized by the federal government-- It's a religious term and by the Constitution should not be in our secular vocabulary.

The only union appropriate for government definition is the civil union, which would be available to any consenting adult partners.

>>2090774
Wow, that's the most logical, well-spoken thing I've heard on /r9k/ all week.

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>>2090824
I do believe you care.

I AM OF THE OPINION THAT THE CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM SHOULD BE ABOLISHED, AND THAT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM, THERE ARE *ONLY* "CIVIL UNIONS." THESE CIVILLY UNITED PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS AND BENEFITS THAT ALL MARRIED PEOPLE USED TO. THESE UNIONS CAN BE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, WOMAN AND WOMAN, MAN AND MAN, OR WHATEVER THE HELL ELSE ANYONE CAN THINK OF.

MARRIAGE IS TRADITIONALLY A PRODUCT OF RELIGION: THOUGH MANY CULTURES SHARE THE CONCEPT OF MARRAIGE, THEY ALMOST INVARIABLY ARE ROOTED IN RELIGION. THEREFORE, SINCE CIVIL UNIONS ARE PERMITTED, IT SHOULD UP TO THE CHURCH OR WHATEVER TO DECIDE WHO CAN MARRY WHOM. IF CHRISTIAN CHURCHES SAY FUCK THEM FAGGOTS, SO BE IT. IF THEY SAY GOD LOVES GAYS, SO BE THAT.

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I FORGOT TO MENTION: I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CRUISE CONTROL, MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN.