.....i'm pretty sure incest is already legal

incest comes with an inevitable balance of power problem. Parent and child fucking even if "consensual" will be an inherently sticky situation, worse still for siblings
>if you don't keep fucking me I'll tell mom and she'll take away your college education.
It makes it way too easy for people to be wrongly coerced.

>>1848747
Go try and marry your sister then.

>>1848713
"Incestuous" is not a sexual identity.

Thread over.

Actually OP, you have to prove that they're the same thing. They're different because one is people of the same sex, and the other is people in the same family, different words with different definitions.
you have to prove they're the same.

>>1848760
>Keep fucking me or I'll tell your parents you're gay, they'll take away your college education.

Honestly if you're an adult it shouldn't be that big of a deal, and you're ignoring sibling relationships.

>>1848791
Both are taboo sexualities, between consenting adults. The only differences are the ones you pointed out captain obvious.

1. There is nothing inherently wrong with a consenting incestuous relationship, other than oft-repeated inbreeding excuse. To avoid this, simply ban incestuous couples from having children without rigorous genetic screening to insure no birth defects.

2. Homosexuality and incest are two completely different things. One is a sexual orientation, one isn't.

>>1848798
>implying adults arent ever fucked up and fuck other people over.

and my quote which you changed is completely irrelevant and makes no sense.

>>1848843
>One is a sexual orientation, one isn't.

Very good point, but alas nobody will ever come up with a good enough point of why one should be legal and the other shouldn't.

fuck you OP prove me you're right I have nothing to prove, you're the one bringing an argument up so if you have nothing to say about it GTFO, also you would have more luck on >>>/hm/

>>1848826
>A spoon is no different from chopsticks. They're both tools people use to eat food. The only difference is that one looks entirely different from the other, comes from a different part of the world, is used in a different way, is usually made of different materials, and can only be used properly when there are two of them.

>So they are two completely different things. BUT OTHER THAN THAT THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE

>>1848866
>Parents don't know John is gay
>John gets drunk and meets a nice man and they fuck
>John sees his mistake and tries to leave the relationship
>Other guy uses that to continue fucking John

It's straight forward dumbass, this is just an example of the many ways it could be similar. Blackmail is illegal and if you're over 18 and can't figure out how to live on your own because your parents are wronging you, you're a dumbass.

>>1848885
>NO U

Wow, use a little maturity please. If you've actually read the other posts in the thread things would be a little clearer.

>>1848944
Except both are illegal and you MUST eat with your hands only. That is the only way you would make sense. In which case both chopsticks and spoons should be legalized.

>>1848952
the basic of any arguments are YOU WHO STARTED THE ARGUMENT must bring an argument FIRST and not just

>lol prove me wrong u fagget Im right and theres notin u can do LOLOLOLOLO XDDDD

>>1848981
Except so far I've managed to type a coherent sentence without bastardizing the English language. Take your strawman and go play somewhere else.

OP, if you seriously want to have this discussion you need to be more specific. "No different" in what way? Because obviously it is very easy (and correct) to say that two things that are not 100% identical are different, and this thread will go nowhere.

>>1849001
>Accuses someone of logical fallacy
>Attacks them based on their grammar

Hohohoholy shit.

>>1848882
Sexuality should be considered a natural right.
Incest is a form of sex. Banning incest is like banning sodomy. In theory, there should be no law against it, but social mores prove otherwise. Also, the fact that there's usually some sort of sexual abuse involved.

>>1849003
>Two consenting adults want to have sex(nothing wrong with that)
>Government says NOPE
>People view it to be extremely taboo and gross
>Most religions do not allow it

Yes, so far the biggest difference is that one is between a specific group of adults and the other is between same sex couples. But in a legal sense the two aren't that far apart.

Tardbabies aside. Yeah.

What's your point?

your comparison has a fatal flaw OP, I'm fine with incest... I'm fine with homosexuals, I'm fine with furries, heck I'm even fine with necrophilia

where is your god now?

>>1849034
>Also, the fact that there's usually some sort of sexual abuse involved.

I wholly agree, except let's try to keep the discussion about consenting adults. There's potential for abuse in all sexual manners.

>>1849076
>>1849054
There you go, there is no difference. People should fuck off and stop caring.

OP confirmed for a faggot.

>>1849047

Okay, how about this? Who gives a shit? If two consenting siblings want to do the unsettlingly nasty, who are Rick Santorum or you or me to say otherwise?

Who cares? It's not you having the sex. If you're raped by a sibling, that's rape, which is already illegal

inb4 EWW ANON LEIKS INCEEEEEST

>>1849077
Well, I mean that in a biological sense, humans are hard wired not to find their immediate family attractive. To find your family attractive is a red flag for abuse, or underlying mental issues. Sure, it's between consenting adults, but are mental patients allowed to marry those they share a ward with? This isn't entirely rhetorical, as I'm unsure.

Being attracted to someone of the same sex is less a "choice" (as incest is). It's wrong to deny natural rights, but of course, choices can be denied. Two consenting adults can choose to murder one or the other, but that doesn't mean it should be legal.

I sorta bounced around points there, so pardon that, but I hope you can see the logic.

Buttsex between straight, married adults is still illegal in some parts of the United States. Luckily, stupid laws can safely be ignored.

>>1849088
Nice shit post trip fag

>>1849103
And we've came to the point of the whole thread. Good job anon. I people are ready to accept one they should be ready to accept the other.

All sexual activity (incest, pedophilia, sexuality, etc.) should be legal as long as it's consensual.

In effect, this would mean it's legal for a father to have intercourse with his 10 year old son as long as both gave consent to the act beforehand.

Can anyone give me a logical reason to oppose this, aside from "it's immoral"? I personally think it's absurd to have government limit things that are natural.

>>1849130
A minor will also give consent to follow you into your van if you offer them more candy.

Paedo scum.

>>1848944
try drinking soup with fucking chopsticks.

>>1849111
>two consenting adults can choose to murder one or the other, but that doesn't mean it should be legal.

Back up there buddy, let's not get into assisted suicide.

>To find your family attractive is a red flag for abuse, or underlying mental issues.

Depending on the scientist you're willing to ask they could very well say the same about gays. Humans are hardwired to reproduce and being gay goes against the very nature of that.

wow

imagine chopstick straws

that'd be crazy

>>1849111

Well there we go. If you base your argument on whether or not the act is a reflection of mental illness then homosexuality would be legal and incest not.

One of the requirements of behavior that makes it a mental disorder is that it has to be maladaptive (ie, physically harmful). If you argue (correctly) that incest produces generic abnormalities then that could be considered maladaptive, which makes the expression of incest a sign of mental illness.

>>1849151
Well, I was thinking of the case of Armin Meiwes (too lazy to Google, but the German who killed a man he met off the internet by castrating and sharing his penis as a meal together?). The point was that "everyone should be allowed choice" is at odds with things like that going on.

Homosexuality has a genetic basis for it though.
Incest has a genetic basis AGAINST it.

I think that's a valid argument, if poorly worded.

>>1849130

Consent is different from informed consent. A 10 year old child is objectively less able to make an informed, well-reasoned decision about sexual behavior than an adult.

That's why minors can't give legal consent for anything, especially sex. "Statutory" just means "legally technically" so for the good reason that a child can't give legal consent, fucking kids is considered rape.

I think you are correct in every way. I don't see any reason why two consenting adults that are brother and sister can't have sex or get married provided they make sure they don't procreate. Because that's how Mississppi got how it is.

I think the same thing for polygamy. Why the fuck not? If you want to, go for it. In this case though we need to make sure that there are no loopholes for taxes. Otherwise just every motherfucker would be married and the entire state of Utah would be one guy's "dependent" on their W-2

>>1849141
>Implying I'm a pedo
If parents want to avoid that scenario from happening, they can choose to educate their offspring accordingly in such a way to avoid people that offer free candy.

Let's imagine parents do not properly educate their offspring about dangers involved in taking free candy from strangers, and their offspring are then incidentally tricked and raped by someone much older. It's non-consensual and therefore illegal from the very start. At the same time, if the child ignores their parent's advice and has consensual intercourse regardless, then it's fine.

>>1849111
>Two consenting adults can choose to murder one or the other, but that doesn't mean it should be legal
But it should. If both adults gave consent for one of them to murder the other, and if the death would affect no one else, then why should the murder not occur? Because life is too valuable to lose?

>>1849365
<At the same time, if the child ignores their parent's advice and has consensual intercourse regardless

No, because children make stupid choices. When an adult makes a choice to do things it's completely different from a child's choice. When the child becomes an adult is a completely different argument.

>>1849365
>Because life is too valuable to lose?
Well, no. But someone wanting to die has mental problems, and typically can't see past that. Murder in any form isn't RATIONAL (though I'm sure a lot of rationalizing goes into it). At the very least it isn't natural in a biological, self-preservational sense.

The same could be argued for children, who lack the capacity to rationalize in the way sane, adults can consent. I don't understand why you think a child told all the options somehow has the same understanding as an adult aware of all the options. That's very Victorian of you.

This sort of thread is one of the many reasons I'm never going to come out.

Why the hell are you people even entertaining this troll.

Similiarities:
>both taboo

Differences:
>homosexuality is between same gender
>incest can be between any gender
>incest is between family
>homosexuality causes no genetic problems
>incest fucks up later generations
>homosexuality would only possibly lead to an inherent chance of homosexuality in later generations

In other words, their only link is sex. Their differences however are based on exactly what makes them each, well, them.

(captcha gave me a picture of a sign. Seriously?)

>homosexuality

>two men sexually attracted to each other

>incest

>two people of blood relation engaging in sexual acts

Theres a definition of each. Homosexuality is different from incest.

As this is the foundation for your entire argument, and has just been proven wrong, the resr of your proposal is now based on a fallacy and cannot be taken seriously.

Good day.

>>1849808
Similiarities:
>both taboo

both peversions too

There are -some- similarities between -certain- types of incest and homosexuality. For example.. siblings having sex with each other purely for sex, practicing safe sex and with no intention of reproducing. In that respect, homosexuality and incest share a common factor in that.. well.. it's not necessarily about reproduction, it's about love and/or sexual desires.

That said... I myself am neither homosexual -or- practicing, however I would definitely champion the rights of homosexuals over the rights of those intending to enter incestuous relationships. There -is- a reason why incest was made illegal, and unlike the laws against homosexuality and the like, they were made for a reason other than misinformation. Homosexuals -can't- make children. Practitioners of incest can, and occasionally do, and the implications of that are impossible to ignore.

incest has lasting effect to the gene pool, homosexuality doesn't.
If you don't leave spawns, however, you should be able to fuck whatever.

Incest between consenting adults is legal in many european countries.

Personally I wouldn't have a problem if incest was legalized, it wouldn't affect me in any way. So in that sense it's no different than homosexuality, another subject that affects me in no way.

Shit, things would be better if people just minded their business and only stuck their noses into things that they themselves were affected by. As long as people aren't having gay sex and fucking their cousins in your living room does it really matter?

I think it would have been better if OP brought up the argument that if gay marriage is legal, incest marriage should be as well. And if homosexuality is accepted, incest should be also. There are similarities because both are taboo sexual relationships, although now incest is much more taboo. And yes homosexuality is a sexual identity, incest isn't, but that's irrelevant, and not what OP meant. He meant why is one accepted and the other isn't. I have no idea. I personally think incest should be legal and totally accepted. If two consenting adults want to get together, they should be able to and no one should be allowed to say shit about it or them.

Except homosexuality doesn't bear the risk of disfigured/mutated offspring.

Honestly? The only difference I can think of between homosexuality and incest is that incest can produce defective children. I guess that alone isn't really enough to keep it illegal. I still think its gross as hell, though.

>>1852241
>mutated
hurpadurpdurpdurp
Incest tard babies have nothing to do with mutation.