Start shooting the crowd.

>scammers trying to convince people they're actually useful

I agree completely with the paper and tell everyone else to read it. I gain a following because I brandished a paper, and then eventually, everyone becomes pro-Wall Street again.

Seriously, Occupy Wall Street is the stupidest thing ever. The people doing it are the most uninformed bunch of retards that've ever formed a mob.

Also, I only wanna say that only the bad teachers need fear reprocussions. I personally look at most elementary school teachers as day care operators, because that's all they are. I respect only the teachers that do their jobs well and with a passion because they sincerely care about the youth. Most teachers get into it because it looks comfy and they think you get summers off. Those people are fucking idiots and should get the fuck out of my profession.

yeah, I don't think wallstreet employees are plentiful enough to take away that many middle class jobs. Not enough for anyone to notice.
What's more, those pencil pushers would cry themselves to sleep after the first day of real work.

>>148053
Do you really think education is a major issue of occupy wallstreet?
I don't think you even know what you're talking about.

>>148056
>would cry themselves to sleep after the first day of real work.
That's what plebs actually believe.

Seriously, try working 7/18 with a ten minute lunch break and a comission-based salary. See how far you get, tough guy.

>>148097
try waking up every morning at 4 to move refrigerators all day, tough guy

>>148053
>care about the youth

Why don't you take a seat right over there

"we control you. you wouldn't want to be responsible for yourself would you"

is this supposed to make me rethink anything here?

>>148146
Oh, you really think that's hard? Seriously? I was thinking more among the lines of miners or afghan soldiers. Hell, If I had to wake up at 4, it would be fucking heaven. And moving refrigerators? Are you serious? How about analysing shitloads of figures every motherfucking day and then hoping, praying, that you got them correct and didn't fuck up the deal, which could cost the company millions. If you really think that moving fucking refrigerators is that stressful, I am not surprised why everyone hates WS so much. After all, the bankers are clearly superior.

>>148206
>hoping
>praying
>hard work
yeah sure sure

>>148222

>Put a refrigerator on a dolly
>Push it from A to B
>Hard work

Is the hard part that you have to be up so early?

>>148206
> How about analysing shitloads of figures every motherfucking day and then hoping, praying, that you got them correct and didn't fuck up the deal
Really?
I'm supposed to feel bad for the guy who has to do some tough math? After he willingly took the job?
Yeah, I think working at dunkin donuts sounds more stressful than that.

>>148222
I would dare anyone to do it for a week and not go into deep depression. But sadly, most people here are probably not even qualified to wash the floors at GS offices.

And after all that "hard work" gambling other people's money away, you've produced absolutely nothing of value to society. Thanks for confirming that you are motivated by pure greed.

>>148238
>Has never worked at a warehouse

>>148238
i'm not that other guy, i'm arguing on your points here buddy.

>>147914
I don't buy it. What they're trying to portray is an idealized world where the hardest workers always succeed, and while that's true to some extent, it doesn't account for the large number of people who are essentially born into their position of power and get there through nepotism and other connections.

Also, I think the fact that they're vicious and willing to trample over Joe Mainstream is the reason Joe Mainstream is out there in the first place. As I see it, the whole Wall Street thing is a protest of ideals, one of which would be this greed.

I can't really tell if the paper is trying to make me scared or sympathetic.

I'm not really on any side here, that's just my two cents.

>>148245
I wasn't saying you were supposed to feel bad. Also, a Dunkin Donuts employee makes more $ per hour than a first year financial analyst.

>>147914
>Seriously, Occupy Wall Street is the stupidest thing ever. The people doing it are the most uninformed bunch of retards that've ever formed a mob.
Fucking this.

And you faggots arguing over your fucking desk jobs and warehouse labor and who has it worse:
SHUT THE FUCK UP.

You're both soft-ass thick-skulled morons..

They had one of these Occupy bullshits in Miami

I made a custom shirt and went to take pictures of all the protesters

The shirt said:

"Im not here to protest or support you. Im here to take pictures of YOU and make money off of YOU while you waste your time here"

>>148296
you sound autistic

Don't think I'm defending Wall Street, I'm not. Big business is a serious threat to the well-being of every human. Capitalism is a deeply flawed in that its supporters think it gives fair and equal opportunities.

>>148078
How is education not a main issue of the movement? You've got a bunch of people who think that Wall Street is the devil and only grudgingly accept that their own habits have led to their demise. They're being delusional because they're angry with their own actions and decide to throw the equivilant of an organized adult tempertantrum.

>>148097
>>148097
Working comission is only enjoyable to a very small amount of people, not to mention that only a very small amout of people are good at it. It requires a skill, and it requires severe competiton. It's a job that I'd never want. But I wasn't attacking "comfy looking non-Wall Street jobs". I was attacking bad teachers who want their free ride because they went through soooo much school and its so haaaaaard to deal with children.

What I'm saying is that people don't want to blame themselves for their own problems. I actually read a book for a paper I wrote on Wednesday that equated confession (y'know, the religious kind) to gossip.

"...penitents were narrating their sins one by one as they happened, rather than clumping them under moral headings, that they were bringing in chatty details, rather than sticking to what the clergy thought relevant, and that they were laying the blame elsewhere, rather than admitting . . . 'It is I.' To make matters worse, they were seeking remission of their sins without being ashamed, that is, they were confessing 'as if they were telling a story'." - Natalie Z. Davis

The majority of people don't see the big picture because they're too busy being wrapped up in themselves. They don't want to believe that their faults are their fault because they can just pass the buck because "they had no power to do anything". It's ridiculous, and that's what the majority of the people in the movement are like. Not all, but the majority.

>>148310
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

>>148206
wait, so are you currently a banker or what? if so, it's 3 PM and you're on 4chan. explain yourself.

>>148285
oh cool, let's just use the single worst job in wallstreet for comparison

There are plenty of actual issues to be raised when it comes to Wall Street, the problem is that the Occupy Wall Street movement fails to touch upon a single one. It's just a bunch of people mad about random, unrelated shit looking for a scapegoat. Half of the time Wall Street isn't even relevant to their qualms.

Wall Street is like a relationship.

When everything goes our way, we don't complain. When something happens that affects us in a bad way, we decide to voice our opinions.

If those very same people doing Occupy Wall Street were making money off of Wall Street, would they still be there?

>couple thousand traders lose their jobs in this fantasy world
>take a couple thousand other jobs
>no one notices

>off of

fucking negroe

>>148366
if something is doing a shit job, why should we not see to it that it does a better job?

>>148386

>Mock someone for saying "off of"
>Negroe

>>148330
Yep, not Murrrka based though. When they're handling the legal shit, you don't have to do anything, so I am here.
>>148331
Everyone starts there. I am also not sure it's the worst job. You get 100k+ by the end of the year. Plus some people enjoy it, like me. It makes you feel powerful.

>>148260
Working in a warehouse is a shitty, physically demanding job, yes, but it is by no means hard. If you're pushing yourself so hard in that sort of job that you're experiencing medical problems, you're being an idiot.

A hard job can only be defined as something that is inherantly stressful and requires repeated precise action, either mentally, physically, or both. This is why being a Doctor is a hard job and being a McDonalds cook isn't.

Protip: Shitty Job =/= Hard Job.

>>148379
The people who lost their jobs noticed. Don't be an armchair critic if you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about, because it just sounds like you're a suburban middle-class teenager who has no sense of the work world.

>>148424

We the American working population
Hate the fact that eight hours a day
Is wasted on chasing the dream of someone that isn't us
And we may not hate our jobs
But we hate jobs in general
That don't have to do with fighting our own causes
We the American working population
Hate the nine to five day-in day-out
But we'd rather be supporting ourselves
By being paid to perfect the pasttimes
That we have harbored based solely on the fact
That it makes us smile if it sounds dope

>>148282
>Also, I think the fact that they're vicious and willing to trample over Joe Mainstream is the reason Joe Mainstream is out there in the first place. As I see it, the whole Wall Street thing is a protest of ideals, one of which would be this greed.

Give me a reason why I shouldn't trample over you then.

>>148348
truth


SCC is not prosecuting any executives in result of the investigations it made, and only fining amounts like 200mil. may sound like a lot, but it is at least 1/5th of the profit said companies made breaking the laws they were prosecuted for.
that sure makes sense.

also
ITT: people who dont pay taxes.

On the subject of Education, let me explain what it's like for a teacher:
>you make a lesson plan erryday
>throw it out because students have a huge mouth, no respect and don't want to learn
>then some retard comes in with ADD
>he learns nothing for a year, you take it up with the parents
>they say he is a modelstudent and get pissed at you
>three to four parents tell you of issues with their child that need your undivided attention
>other kid is obviously being abused at home, needs your attention
>ALWAYS MORE SHIT PILING UP
>parents blame teachers for not raising their kids right
>parents ignore the needs of their children, instead, they blame the teachers.

The paper is full of assumptions an inaccuracies.

I disagree with the fat-cats and the people occupying.

Yes, wall street sucks. Yes, they gambled our money and that is really fucked up.

Vote with your dollar, Shop at local stores, pay your own way through college or don't go at all until you have money saved up. Make anything you can at home, Buy american-made products and use local banks/credit unions if you really want to change this shit.

Holding signs does nothing in this country, and they gas you. Silent protests are the way to go and with the internet, we can get a lot more done.

So to answer you question OP, I would hand the paper to someone else and just walk away and start a facebook page, website, twitter account, and 4chan posts all on the topic above.

>>148282
>As I see it, the whole Wall Street thing is a protest of ideals, one of which would be this greed.

A large majority of the people involved in the movement don't give a flying fuck about others, they're just worried about their own financial situation. Everybody has wants, why are they denouncing the wants of others while supporting their own? It's hypocrisy to say, "When we want money, it's good. When you want money, it's bad." The vast majority of the movement is uneducated beyond their own problems.

ITT: Pampered assholes that have never down hard labor talking shit about how easy hard labor is.

>>148567
i wish i could think or a more widespread way to encourage to make use of their local economies, but there are always 100 more people who dont bother thinking and just go to Target...

i sincerely hope that i will see walmart closing stores in my lifetime. i dont expect to see that day though.

>>147914

I'd take it as evidence that they're completely missing the point.

Also that they're clearly not that smart, because they're just copying stuff I'd read on the internet months ago and throwing it out the window. Ironic, given how much that note claims intelligence and work ethic.

>>148444
>>148444
walked outta bed and stumbled to the kitchen
pour myself a cup of ambition

>>148526
Yep. I'm glad that some teachers have the gusto and drive to fight against idiot parents and help kids though. Sometimes the best thing is to stick up for yourself as a teacher against a parent. Telling them that their kid is average, smokes drugs, has sex, skips class, ect. can be a huge wake up call. Telling them that they've failed as parents because their child does these things can be an even bigger one. Don't bend over and take the cock of a parent up your ass because you think they'll cause a stink and you'll get fired. As long as you show that you're at least as invested (most of the time, you'll be much more) in the child as the parents are, they'll usually smarten up. Sometimes you get stuck with abusive parents, and that's the hardest problem to deal with. Your duty as a teacher is to keep that child safe, even if it's from their own parents. If it's really bad, sometimes calling CPS is warranted.

Lesson plans shouldn't be set in stone, they should be flexible. I know this is hard as fuck to do for things like science and math, but that's the reason why I don't like either of those areas (too god damned inflexible).

a citizen is only as free as his market

>>148608
I've worked many summers doing roofing, steelwork, and drywalling. I've also worked in a meat processing plant. They were shitty jobs where I'd sweat my ass off outside (froze my ass off inside at the meat processing plant, except when I worked on the killfloor, then I just died of the stench), be forced to carry/hold things in place that weighed more than I did, ect.

They weren't hard, not by a long shot.

>>148450
It's morally unjust.

>>148575
I think the idea is that some people are getting lots of what they want at the expense of others, who are not getting what they need.

>>148753
Yeah, but the point is, teachers, like anyone else, need their jobs too. And especially in Murrika, where people get sued for having their shoes too spotless, you can't afford to do anything wrong.
And besides, as a teacher, you CAN'T be as involved with a child as the parents are! You have about 20 kids more to tend to.

>>148567
OP here, i'm from the UK so this doesn't mean much to me, also, I didn't ask a question

>>148860
exaggerating fantasy jobs to justify himself to strangers online, thinly veiled "poor me" syndrome, flagrantly sprinkling insults like "retards" and "stupid", repeatedly posting dani gore photos, etc. etc. game over.

>>148881
>It's morally unjust.

Oh and why is that? Please provide some logic as to why trampling over people is a bad thing.

>>148955
You'd be surprised just how little some parents care about their children. Generally, the ones who care a lot about their kids have great kids and they don't cause problems in school. Those entitled little ADD brats who take out their cell phone five seconds after a teacher starts talking don't have parents who care about them... as parents.

A parent is a parent, not a friend. Too many parents nowadays try to be their child's friend and not their parent. They wanna be "cool" with their kids. Their kids don't look up to them; in fact, they look down at them because their parents are trying to buy their affection. They use it to get what they want. Because they're so entitled at home, they expect the same treatment from all adults. And as a child, the major meeting point for a kid and an adult in a position of power is school. This is why they think they can disrespect teachers: because they disrespect their parents because their parents don't care about them as PARENTS.

>>148450

i think you could use a brushup on your reading comprehension.

I agree with the first paragraph, in that these protestors are blaming everybody but themselves. I mean, yes, government has a huge role to play, and so does Wall Street, but what are they doing it all for? Because the typical American can live in excess and beyond their own means for decades, and these protestors fail to realise that.

The whole "hurr we're gurna take yur jurbs" tjing is ridiculous though.

> Suddenly, ALL OF WALL STREET, WORKING AS WAITERS.

I can admit working a desk or some non physical job can be difficult and stressful, but hard physical labor would be the tougher of the two honestly. since you burn out your body making someone else richer. id rather sit down or teach or something. also since you have specialized trades and such its not like all hard labor is mindless either, its taxing on both mind and body. working in the extreme cold, wet or heat is shitty and im sure even you analyst guys could admit to that. but like i said either job can be just as hard depending on your character and physical makeup.

i hope that makes sense.

>>149051
I fail to see how I'm "exaggerating fantasy jobs" as well. I mean, if you don't believe my work experience, that's fine. I'm not gonna hand you my resume so that you might contact my previous employers to sait your appetite. Also, explain my "thinly veiled 'poor me' syndrome", I'd like to hear your logic. I'm not exuding self-pity in any sense, I actually feel sorry for the people who are delusional and hypocritial enough to buy into the Occupy Wall Street movement because of their own, sad existence.

And I've posted pictures of Dani Artaud along with my posts ever since I started using a tripcode, I'm not stopping now. Sorry mate.

>>149179

it's a real possibility. i think it's very plausible that businesses would rather hire a qualified person who will work harder for longer hours and less pay than the average fuckhead who smoked pot through his college career (if he even went) and coasts through life.

it's obviously more of a "fuck you" to the protesters, but still a valid point. useless protesters, knowing nothing in life but being useless, unmotivated and entitled, generally believe everyone else is the same way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYZpWTvre9c&list=FLzaXMdEEjHVhIkUm0FUmsMw&index=4&feature
=plpp_video

>>148444
Aesop Rock brofist

There is no correlation whatsoever between GDP and taxes, and increased taxes have shown decreased unemployment and vice versa.

what can I buy today and hold over the weekend, then sell monday for a nice profit?

>>149179
It's sort of a trickle down effect. Theoretically, it works like this: If people with university educations start losing their jobs, they'll move down the ladder and take the college jobs. The college educated guys then are out of a job, and they move down and take a high-school education job. The guys with just a high-school education get left in the dust or start flipping burgers for the rest of their lives.

Sometimes the university educated guys can find other university-level jobs, and that's awesome. That's how it should work. But the fact is that when people lose their jobs, they usually become under-employed. They work a job far beneath their skill level. Since they're so efficient and awesome at their job, the company can then lay off more people (aside from the job that person took in the first place) because the new guy does the work of three people.

>>149186
That makes perfect sense. That's the point. Just because something is x doesn't mean it's y. In this case, it works out to "just because a job is shitty/physical/tedious/mind-boggling doesn't mean it's hard."

>>149071
It's wrong to hurt other people.
Trampling people hurts them.
Trampling people is wrong.

>>149214
I'd like to extend my point to include what this guy said.

>>149214
>>149186
>I'm sorry, sir. You are overqualified for this position.

>>149379
The only so called "fact" you have given is 'Trampling people hurts them', and even pain is relative and a mere distraction at best.

wealthybrah here, i'm fairly amused at all this

I drop whoever gave it to me.

>>149408
is this you in all these pictures?

>>149492

internet toughguy detected.

personally, i find occupy wallstreet to be rather useless. instead of protesting, why dont they just try to turn their life around eh? maybe join the army or get a shitty job.

>>149524
>people protesting shitty jobs should just get shitty jobs

Teacher here.

I always wonder where the fuck those occupy-bastards find the time to stand out there all day! Some people need to work.

>>149413
The fact of the matter is that most people who are over-qualified for a position are able to outwit the employer into giving them a job. That little scene in American Beauty where Kevin Spacey gets a job at a burger shack? Yeah, that happens. Maybe it's not so cut and dry, but it happens. The only reason an employer will say you're overqualified is because they're scared of what you'll do. As long as you can outreason them and subtly show them that there's really nothing to be scared of, they'll hire you because you've got an amazing skill-set and can do just about anything they need you to.

>>149331

They told us it would trickle down

>>149552

yeah, most of the time, they are not qualified for anything else. why else would they have time to "occupy" wallstreet. and if indeed wall street falls, they would simply take the shitty jobs and those who occupied wall street would just cry some more. after all, if you were a boss, you would obviously hire someone who has a proven good worth ethic (and a hell of a resume) compared to someone who protested long work hours.

>People thinking they're superior because they do menial labor that anyone with arms and a third grade education could do

>"WE ARE ENTITLED TO RIGHTS, DOWN WITH THE BURGOISE!!!11!!11! XD"

>>149510
It's Dani Artaud, as I said earlier in the thread.

If it's any consolation, my girlfriend looks a bit like her, except she has bigger tits and isn't part-hispanic. Probably isn't.

>mfw there are numerous grammatical errors in that letter
>no face because lazy but you get the idea

>>149552

my post was simply a long version of "deal with it" to those wall street protesters.

>>149442
Oh boy, here we go. Even if what you're saying is true, so what? You asked for logic, and mine was perfectly sound.

Before that, you asked for a reason, which I also gave. If you wanted a reason you deem to be "good," then you should have asked for that specifically. And if you wanted a philosophical debate, you should have asked for that too.

Also, before you accuse me of being autistic, keep in mind that we are posting on /r9k/.

>>149631
I am going to hire armed men to kick you in the nuts while you are sleeping every night, and if you ever utter out a complaint to them, before you can even finish, they'll just tell you, 'Deal with it'.

>>149561
>"sorry, we don't have a place for you, we're actually filled to the brim with employees"
>talk for 15 minutes more, smalltalk, srsbusiness, whatever
>"Well, come to think of it, I think we need another guy in the History department"
>"WELCOME ABOARD"
True story, happened to me.

>be born in a rich family
>inherit monies
>have awesome job options because everyone you know are also richfags

I don't even give a fuck though I would probably be doing the same exact thing in their position and am just jelly.

>>149587
The actual economic "trickle down" effect is a cruel joke, but it does happen (just not in the way the people at the bottom would like it to; they want the floodgates opened while the top just drops a nanometer of liquid down their throats to keep them alive.

>>149657

mister tough guy!

and yeah, if ever that happens, then im screwed and i would simply deal with it.

dumbass.

In the event that Mr. Wall street is correct and that he is doing me a service or whatever, why is it my job as a taxpayer to bail him out when he fucks up this "valuable service" that he provides. Why is it that if I start a business and go bankrupt I don't see a dime, but if Wall Street goes broke we have to give them another chance. With these too big to fail banks we are essentially giving wall street an unlimited amount of chances to fuck up with none of the repercussions of what a business is supposed to be about. Small business has to fight for survival and wall street doesnt even have to do it's fucking job right to get bailed out time after time.

can't wait until wall street is taken down. these protests are as important as the women's sufferage riots and even the protests to end the vietnam war!

>>149657

also, fallacy of weak analogy.

getting kicked in the nuts is far away from working a shitty job. go back to occupying wall street and waste your time there. thats all youre good for anyways.

i suggest you go to school and study hard, so you can get a good job though.

>>149524

>maybe join the army

fucking this. all those guys who joined the military ~3 years ago because of how bad the economy was? well, their terms of service are mostly ending right about now. i've been in for a quick minute now and 90% of the guys i've seen who came in around this time period are getting the fuck out. regardless of the downsizing of the military, there are and will always be jobs here, due to the shitty nature of the job.

wall street protesters don't take jobs like these because they're whiny, entitled little bitches who'd rather have other people pay for their free rides through life than work even a day doing a job that's harder than they dream of. and most of these useless sacks of shit dream of a job where they go in at noon, high as fuck and leave at around 5.

this generation sucks.

>>149672
LOOK GUYS HE'S RIGHT LOOK AT HOW MUCH THE ECONOMY GROWS WHEN TAXES ARE DECREASED

>>149659
If you can identify with your potential employer, they might just offer you a job because they like you. An old teacher of mine was offered a job at a school because he saw the employer liked sailing (a few pictures of sailboats around the office) and talked to him about about some international sailing race in Austrailia or New Zealand. They didn't talk about the position itself for more than five minutes.

Communication is the most important skill you can have in any field.

>>149722

thank you, finally someone who agrees with my opinion. i live in a third world country, and i guarantee you that the standards here are shit compared to whatever shitty job you guys work.

in our country, people with college degrees go out of the country and be truck drivers, grocery baggers etc.

in our country, one would be fucking lucky to land a job that makes $400 a month.

>>149561
>>149331
You really need a dose of reality. Employers for minimum wage jobs won't hire someone that's badly overqualified.
More importantly, how many Wall Street investment bankers exist? There aren't enough of them to cause even a noticeable amount of displacement in terms of the hundreds of millions of shit jobs. Add them into the pool, and it's just a drop in the bucket.
The validity of the protests notwithstanding, OP's picture is moronic.

>>149722
Yeah, I hear veterans are just rained down upon by opportunities when they return back to the States!

>>149704
This. What makes me mad is when i hear wealthy people say that occupy wall street protestors just want something for nothing. Couldn't we argue that those bailouts to banks are essentially giving them something for nothing also? They're basically being rewarded for their bad behavior.

>>149777

cause theyre too self entitled to swallow their pride and take a shitty job. a manager would obviously hire them over some guy who has bad work ethic (night shifts)

>>149793
I don't think you quite understand that 1 in 10 people in the United States don't have a job, and they're not all just 20-year-olds lazing around posting on their blogs about how they should be making 80k a year.

I think people against wall street are just more hipsters. Most people I've talked to about OWS that don't like it are either entirely clueless on the event, or they like obscure music and hate Call of Duty. It's just another form of being a hipster that 4chan loves.

>>149833

i dont think you understand what it means to live in a third world country with higher unemployment rates than the USA. you spoiled brats need some more resilience.

>worked as a firefighter
>got average pay and shitty hours
>hard, painful, dangerous and sometimes horrifying work
>never complain about bad pay
>enlist into military as an 11B
>get deployed, work my ass off and get shot at, come back home
>continue working as a firefighter

I don't understand why these people are bitching that they aren't getting paid more than minimum wage to fill people's coffee cups in the morning. Plenty more people out there who bust their asses much harder and don't complain at all. People are so goddamn entitled these days.

>>149854
So are we supposed to wait for the third-world nations to catch up to us before we have a right to complain again?

>>149859

you are a hero and a credit to society. i hope more people would follow your example, good sir.

me, im just a chemical engineering student because i know that it would be much better than taking a college course in literature or humanities.

ITT: people with no fucking perspective about just how bad unemployment is.
Wal-mart can't employ everyone. Mcdonalds recently had a "hiring spree". One million people applied. Sixty-five thousand were hired. That's less of a rate than Harvard accepts people.
The fact is, when 1% of people have billions and billions of dollars, they don't use it in the economy. It sits there. The Yacht industry won't help farms or clean energy, or help get this country moving. Republicunts seem to think one day we'll be back in the Industrial revolution.

>>149722
>>149722
military is welfare and a free ride brah

>>149859
>apply for military
>they aren't accepting people because the war is ending

hurr

>>149883

no. you are supposed to deal with it and take your shitty jobs so that you fucktards would not be a third world country. work harder and stop complaining. this "occupy wallstreet" may (or may not) make the market crash again, which would be one of the causes of a future decline into third world country status.

>>149898
They're accepting plenty of people. You just have to be smarter than a fucking rock to get in.

Have you tried every branch? Coast guard, Navy, Marines, Army, National Guard, Army reserve, Air guard, etc?

>>149914
Do you really think a couple thousand people standing somewhere is going to effect the economy in any way? Do you really think a third-world nation is one which constitutes of having no "shitty jobs"?

you know i have realized that most you guys who are sympathizing with occupy wall street have shitty arguments. this is why you should go back to school so that you would be accepted into a job.

>>149790
What people need to understand about the bailouts is that they they were basically welfare for corperations. Since corperations are essentially viewed as people under law, they get the same deal as everyone else. Essentially, they were ENTITLED to the bailouts under law.

The fact that a corperation can be viewed as a person is ridiculous and is a major, MAJOR flaw in the legal system, and the reason why they can get away with so much of the shit they do. This is what people should be fighting against, it's the source of so much abuse in the corperate system.

The difference between the protestors and Wall Street in this sense is that Wall Street went to the government and asked to be treated normally under law. The protestors are not asking for something they're entitled to by law, they want private corperations to give them what essentially amount to handouts.

It's like asking your rich neighbour to give you some money so you can pay your bills because you mowed his lawn for free two months ago, and getting pissed off when they say, "Uh... no, sorry."

All this Occupy bullshit is dumb and the paper makes sense. If you're protesting you're automatically a faggot.

>>149981
So what you are saying is you are protesting against the protests?

>>149955
Cool.
Who's hiring?
Wal-mart isn't hiring. Mcdonalds isn't hiring. Superstore isn't hiring. Trades aren't hiring. Construction workers are getting laid off by the thousand.

Where should I work, son?

>>149992
The military.

>inb4 I DON'T BELIEVE IN MURDER SYNDICATES WAAAAHWAHHHAWAAH

It's a fucking job, you need money. Guess what? Not everyone gets to have their dream job. Suck it the fuck up and do it.

>>149949
>>149949

those two thousand people sitting somewhere set an example for other people who would soon follow them just to increase their pay.

and third would countries have shittier jobs than you spoiled americans. in the philippines for example, a household usually has one or a few maids, who do everything like do the groceries, wash the laundry and cook the food. also in most third world countries, construction workers do not even have hard hats.

count your blessings first, mister first worlder. look at the bright side of things.

>>150013
>apply for military
>they're planning on leaving the war by december

Perfect time to hire, eh? I'll go on a tour of duty for 3 days. Then sit on my ass and collect welfare like the rest of the vets!

>>149992

Hustle bitch.

Try a systemic approach to job application, network your ass off, goto job fairs.

Hurr Durr.. I am sitting in my parents basement, why has no one brought me a job on silver platter yet?

>>149955
I was going to type out your post, almost word for word, except changing "sympathizing with" to "opposed to," in order to prove that what you're saying is vague and has no support whatsoever, meaning it could be freely thrown around at anything whatsoever despite what you threw it at, but then I realized the robot will probably mute me.

You've contributed nothing whatsoever to this thread. The shittiest argument here is not from either side, but from you.

As i understand it, the bailouts were basically the banks going bust at the casino (wall street), and what amounts to a federal agent handing them a briefcase full of money, no questions asked.
I'm sure every gambling addict would love for the federal government to cover their losses...

>>150035
Actually faggot you'll live on base and do sweet ass trainings and PT and shit for your active duty.

Besides, going into a combat zone isn't super cool. I went, and while I had some awesome times overseas, I also buried 2 friends and killed like 7 people.

>>150013
it ain't 2005. Getting into the military isn't as easy as it was before the economy rashed and the iraq war was in full swing. My sister was just told it was a year in a half wait to even look into the air force.

>>149990
no, i just strongly disagree.

>>150039
Yay! I have a job.
You now have to employ 14 million people.

Now who's hiring?

I would grab a gun and start a revolution, I would actually start my own army and go shoot some wallstreeters

lucky them I don't live in america

>>150016
But there has been no correlation between increased pay and the economy. Should a man not pursue his own best interests, as long as it does not harm others, regardless of others? I know in post-tribalist societies, for example, buying like a fridge or a car or something would generate hatred from the other members of the tribe, because they saw it as them thinking they were better than the others, and thus no one in the tribe would prosper.

>>149888
That's exactly right. The people with money aren't actively spending it and sending it back into the economy. They're rich because they HAVE all the money, and they stay rich because they KEEP their money. Generally, what they do is exploit a system where idiots spend because they're told to and reap the rewards of following their own rules.

They should be taxed out the ass because of their lack of engagement in the money cycle, which, simply put, hurts every economy across the globe.

>>150072
Do the protesters not simply strongly disagree with Wall Street? You seem to take opposition to the protesters, which seems to imply you would like an equal and opposite force pushed against them to put them back into their place, and if this force is equal, is it not a protest itself?

>>150097
So the rich are like scrooge mcduck, swimming in the mountain of money they've hoarded?

>>150088
>>150088

actually there is, it is called opportunity costs. now if some company increases pay, less jobs would be available to accommodate the increase in pay.

a man should pursue his or her own interests, but i believe that this occupy wall street is not the way they should be doing it. i see them as giving a bad example to the rest of society (in the event that they get what they want, it is most likely that others would protest to get what they want too.)

PS: thank you for this argument, it has been very engaging to me.

>>150136
No, they're more like larry the crack-addict gambler. They have billions of dollars of your money, and they spend it on yachts and investments.
Occasionally he hits the jackpot, but if he ever loses it all, it's OK, the government will bail him out.

>>150097

> engagement in the money cycle?

So your solution is to tax it and redistribute in the form of entitlements?

So basically you want to incentive low productivity?

Great idea professor.

>>150162
Stimulus, not entitlement.
For example, if you need to start a business, you could get a grant.
Banks don't do that shit any more. They're too busy helping "job creators" (IE the ones that lay off people to improve profit.)

>>150136
>>150136
well i've never swam in it, seems uncouth

>>150097
if we spent more money or it was distributed more equally prices would rise and the money would be worth less
>inflation

>>150157
By why does the government never bail out the small buisnesses?
I myself have been trying to start a small business for years, in no small part due to the lack of jobs, and I can't even get a loan/subsidy/tax break.

Yet when walmart opens a store, they get both a tax subsidy and tax break. Why does walmart need or deserve help when they have billions?

I always thought wall street was a bad place to hold it, Shoulda Occupied Washington!

>>150136
Basically. They toss out funding and money to "philanthropic causes" for tax breaks generally, though they might do it sometimes because they want to feel like they've made a difference. They make a difference either way, but they could make a whole lot more difference if they didn't hoard their cash. The problem is that they don't care to make a bigger difference, because they enjoy swimming in their pools of money. It's too comfy to give up.

The vast majority of people in the occupy Wall Street Movement that don't think they'd do the same are lying. If they think they would do the same, they're hypocrites. I don't doubt there are a few people in the movement who genuinely do not want to live beyond necessity, but those people, especially in America, are few and faaaaaaaaaaaaaar between.

Down with corn subsidies.

Seriously, fuck that shit. I'd go out and protest that.

>ITT

People full of conspiracy theories whom lack basic understanding of economics and macro economic policy.

If you actually care to learn something instead of wallowing in your ignorance.. watch the 3 part series "Commanding Heights".

It's on google video.

this retarded logic is completely wrong, like these guys would have no problem in accepting a job at mcd, riiighttt

they're not gamblers, they're speculators, middlemen and they're not even that good at what what they do, if they were we'd be in such shit

the right's idea of completely unregulated economic activities is as preposterous as communist planned economies

guess what this happened in the thirties and a world war came out of it, we didn't learn from it and now we're paying the consequences

AGAIN

So, hypothetically, all the corporate folk on wall street find themselves out of jobs and take blue collar jobs.

With respect to the unemployment rate it would be just another drop in the bucket. Just sayin'

To the fellow posting pics of Dani, love the Millionaires, shame they had a fallout with her.

The 1% only exists because of the 99%. If it wasn't for the rest of the world, the 1% would never have gotten anywhere. Enjoy being eatin alive 1%

>>150207
Because you "don't employ thousands" and because you don't have a legal team of over 100 lawyers.

Red tape.

>>150162
You're making it seem as though tax dollars that go into public services are "hand outs" and a waste. I honestly hope you're not one of those people who think that welfare is a free ride on they government gravey train. It's not giving incentive to low productivity, because people know what they get out of doing nothing: nothing. People still have drive, people still have ambition. All that heavily taxing the rich does is send money back into the system so that it can be used to stimulate the economy instead of sitting stagnant in a bank account.

>>150200
>>150200
also it's not like we just stack funds, or even just let it sit idly accruing interest and providing credit for everyone

we invest it, and it's our money you really don't have much right to tell us what to do with it anyhow

if you want to protest
make it about corporate influence in government, they are the reason we don't pay as much taxes as we used to
it's federal law for them to maximize profits, no shit they're going to spend money on lobbyists to lower their effective tax rate and deregulate

stop making it about class warfare, take it up with the government, not with people that would gladly ignore you even exist


also recessions are built into a capitalist system, and life has risk
>inb4 it doesn't have to be like this
no one has come up with anything better

we have peaks and dips, ride it out faggots, your fault for not protecting yourself better during a recession, and i doubt you'll be complaining in 4-5 years

>>150413

Who is that chick you keep posting?

>>150311
>guess what this happened in the thirties and a world war came out of it, we didn't learn from it and now we're paying the consequences

The war came out of shitty terms at the end of World War 1. The Depression certainly didn't help though.

>>150508

I think you should take a look at the Weimar Republic economic crisis. The crisis back then was also mostly global. There are many differences, but there are too many similarities.

And like Santayana said, you forget it you repeat it.

>>150485
You hit the nail on the head. The only problem I have with what you said is that the rich don't sit on their money. Whether or not they invest it, the money is still theirs. I'd still consider that "sitting" on the money, it doesn't equate to what the general population is told to do (which is go out and spend every penny they have; funny thing is that they actually do). I mean sure, you can't fault the rich for making smart decisions. But you can fault them for making selfish decisions (influencing government, lobbying for lower taxes/tax breaks, ect).

The inherent problem with the poor is that they're uneducated. They're uneducated because they're poor, and they're poor because they're uneducated. They don't understand how the system works, so they throw a tempertantrum and call it "Occupy Wall Street".

Just in case anyone wondered, I'm not rich. I live in subsidized co-op housing, I'm a full-time student without a job, and my mother only makes about 30k a year because she works part-time as a PSW. But at least I'm Canadian.

>>150485
Except we can't take it out on the fuckers that caused the whole god damn mess anymore because they are either dead, or out of office. So you say we take it out on the new administration that frantically darting to and fro trying to fix things in the only way that can possibly fix a money problem? The banks are in the shitter right now, and we gave them everything they sell. Then they turned around and wouldn't let anyone have a piece of the pie.

Occupy wallstreet is fucking stupid. The people we should be gunning for are the god damn banks. Wallstreet is the sales division. The banks are the execs.

Also forgot to add that aimless protesting masses are really fucking dangerous.

If they protested to change specific subjects, had precise objectives we wouldn't have the problem of the possibility of these masses being easily manipulated by nasty political movements.

You just need a "saviour" that promises to solve everything and these young masses can be mobilized to do some really bad stuff.

>>150843

A la Tea Party. Seriously, these people don't realize how similar they are to the corresponding rightists at the opposite end of the spectrum.

>>150875

Exactly, most of them are protesting for the sake of protesting. Most of them don't even know how to defend a basic point/subject and because of that they're really vulnerable, they are prey.

The OWS movement is retarded
>herp derp we're the 99%
Uhh okay, you mean there's 1% of people making more money than you, that's fine. The 99% could literally be everyone who makes less than about $500,000 a year. Who gives a fuck? You are protesting the wrong people. Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the corporations, they're there to make a profit and that's what they do. Blame fucking Washington, they're supposed to be there to serve you but they make a fucking profit.

>>150843
>>150820
Protesting the banks alone won't do any thing positive, because they're essentially the hands that feed. You can't have a movement that wants essentially more money in the economy attack the people with the money. The banks aren't threatened by the protests in the slightest. If anything they'll just continue to laugh as people suckle from their teet and ask for more. The only way to force change in the banking and corperate worlds is to pressure the government to make changes to the systems that support those worlds. Because while the banks don't care what the people think, the government (get ready for it, massive spoiler up a head...) does. If it doesn't act in the interests of its people, a government should be overthrown.

>>150493
see
>>149622

dis thread dead or sum shit now?

>>150918

>Washington
>making a profit

>>150636
i don't have enough incentive to vote or get involved in things that either don't, or could potentially negatively influence me, so i'm fairly apathetic as far as government goes and even more so of politics so i suppose that's fair to say that i'm selfish

however i don't really believe i'm any more selfish then the 99% only that i could potentially do a lot more with my same degree of selfishness

in case you're wondering i'm 22 years old and my immediate family has a net worth of over 150,000,000, i live like an upper middle-class person though

can't help but look towards ows with either a smug expression or a shrug of my shoulders
there's nothing i can or think i should do for them

>>150918
>don't blame the criminal, blame the police man who didn't stop him
I blame both

That letter is barely the level of a newfag trolling in here.

>we get up at 5am and work until 10pm or later

That's not the 1% at all.

>He thinks owning stocks make him rich and better than everyone

Hah, Wall Streeters. "Grr if I can't eat off the Wall Street place any more I'll eat off yours cuz I'm so tough."

The truth is that the guys that go to Wall Street are no smarter than anybody else. They're just willing to be bigger assholes than most people.

BTW - PhD here, and have been offered and passed up jobs on Wall Street, because those guys are overrated faggots.

>>150970

Well you stand up for your interests, now if only they could stand for their own...

I too stand for my interests; my menial dead end job that pays for my alcohol addiction, rent and utilities, gas for my 5k car and my 5k credit debt.

If I get fired I won't protest, but I will crucify the management that's killing my company and putting my job on the line and then I will kill myself.

>>149442
Oh look, someone's read Neitzche for the first time.

>>150970
There is no reason for you to sympathise with them other than for some bleeding-heart ideal, which you don't have, and the huge majority of people don't either. Unless you share some extremely humanistic ideals, you'll be completely unable to understand why people should help one another in such circumstances.

That's comepletely normal, and I don't fault the rich for it. I fault the idiots who are part of the movement who don't stop to think what they'd do if they were on the other side of the spectrum. The vast majority of them are hypocrites.

Politics might be of more interest to you when/if you take of your family business, if you have one. I can easily understand why a rich young man wouldn't give two shits about politics, there's no investment to you in it.

>protest corporate greed
>mourn Steve Jobs
>Apple products everywhere
99% dumbass thats for sure

>>151068
Sounds like what my dad's been threatening to do to his contracting/drafting/design company for the last three years because he's sick of the "Boy's Club" that's running a company he's helped build for 20+ years into the ground. He doesn't want a managerial position, he just wants the people up top to quit hiring idiots and being idiots themselves.

>>151059
Of course Wall Street jobs are overrated, you're generally sitting at a damned desk doing financial analysis. People only find it "fun" or "cool" because they think they can make millions doing it. What's you're PhD in by the way? Just wondering. I'm gonna assume it's not business because if it was you'd probably be jumping at a job on Wall Street (unless you're already running or are a parner in a company).

>>151237

Fortunately your dad still has you, I have no one.

>>149553
I wondered this myself so I decided to see one of these things firsthand. A fuckload of the people at these things do work. They simply sleep in a tent instead of going home to sleep or they pussy out and just go home. I've since realized this argument is a strawman used to discredit these people and has little if any merit. I'm still not sure why I didn't just think of that on my own. Heh, it's funny how sometimes the simplest answer is the truth.

>>151090
i do sympathize, i didn't mean to sound asocial or worse misanthropic, although i see how i did, to be clear i don't have some sort of stunted sense of empathy

i only realize there's not much i can do, and i certainly don't support the protesters who won't even do much of anything for themselves with the protest

i won't support a faulty cause

>>149442
Because developing complex mutually co-operative groups is how we managed to stop squatting in caves and getting eaten by sabre-tooth tigers.

Because there's always an even bigger fish coming for you, and I'd imagine you'd prefer not to get eaten either, so nobody trampling anybody is like a mutually beneficial cease-fire agreement.

Because not one person on earth is completely self sufficient, every single person on earth relies on other parts of the society they live in. Even people who work on Wall Street didn't pave Wall Street, or put up traffic signs, or landscape the park. They didn't construct the buildings, their house, and the car they drove there in, even if they own them. Not to mention where will your customer-base be if you trample them all? Hurting other members of the society you live in hurts yourself. Do you want to be at the top of a Jenga tower while people pull out the bottom blocks?

Because violence, real or metaphorical, invites retaliation, potentially from one of those Bigger Fish Than You. And if not, they can still go after people and things you do care about.

What more?

I assume their are pro-occupy people in here, so I'll ask a question I've asked before but never gotten an answer for.

What is your objective?
What do you hope to accomplish from this whole thing? Lowered taxes? Handouts? Just to let people know you're angry for the sake of it?

>CEOs of banks are complicit in what essentially amounts to fraud when rating toxic assets higher than they should
>2008 economic shitstorm, thousands of jobs and untold wealth is instantly lost
>Banks are bailed out
>CEOs and other board members that caused the whole mess get huge bonuses, continue to snort cocaine off hookers' tits.
>Continue to throw lots of money at government to ensure things are seen their way
>SEC and other regulatory bodies are essentially revolving doors with regulators leaving to work at the companies they were just regulating (or vice versa). Case in point, a top ranking FCC officer recently got a job as a lobbyist for Comcast-NBC.

OMG GUYS THOSE OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTESTORS ARE JUST A BUNCH OF DIRTY ART SCHOOL HIPPIES THAT WANT FREE MONEY, THERE ARE NO LEGITIMATE PROBLEMS IN WASHINGTON OR WALL STREET

>>149929
nope multiple recruiting stations have just shutdown because quota has been met and they are overmanned. or if they are still recruiting there is only like one or two jobs open and youll be ages waiting in dep before you hit boot camp

>>151412
I don't quite support that list of "demands" they've released but I think it's good to have a dialoge. I think that is partially what people want out of this. If it just offers people a forum to voice their concerns with business as usual, then it must have done some good.

burn it
throw a brick at the nearest suit

>>151475
What are the demands?

Making such a big event that's spread over so many cities just to say "I'm angry" doesn't sit well with me, but clearly I don't understand enough of it.

>>151459

Well at least you make your point, you're the 1% of that disgruntled mass that has a head on its shoulders.

But in terms of objectives what do you want?

>>150970

You and your family only got where they are because of everyone else creating an environment for you to thrive in.

>mfw this was on reddit yesterday

goodbye forever 4chins, 2003-2011. I'm finally leaving this shithole

>>151368
Even if you were completely apathetic to their plight, I wouldn't find you morally faulty. Chances are that if an OWS activist won the lottery tomorrow, they'd say, "So long, fuckers", build a million dollar house, and do whatever the fuck they wanted. Chances are that the majority of them are more misanthropic, apathetic, and selfish than you could ever be.

But I can understand your view. There's no reason to help people who won't help themselves, and the vast majority of people who support the movement have shown time and time again that they won't help themselves. If they did, they wouldn't be in the financial crises they're in right now. They did it to themselves, of their own accord, and now they want Wall Street to help them back on their feet because "they're the ones with all the money".

This is because my generation and my parent's generation are full of self-important blow-up dolls brimming with entitlement. No, it's not just the youth of today who are spoiled and entitled. It's the 30-somethings 40-somethings as well. They grew up on pipe dreams, didn't get it, and now try to live their pipe dreams vicariously through their children. They were spoiled by the media, by their peers, and by their upbringing. And they passed that down (and amplified it tenfold) to my generation.

God I hate people.

Does anyone really think the majority of millionaires got where they are over night? No. They worked they're asses off. They took menial jobs like lawn mowing and Mack Donald's because you know why, it was a job, it paid. 7.50 an hour is better than 0 an hour. That's what these fucking liberal arts/art/sociology/film majors don't understand. You don't deserve anything you didn't earn.

Like my sister, she went to like film editing school. She worked at the Indy Zoo through school, and after school while she was looking for a job. She found a gig at a trucking school editing training videos for 12 bucks an hour. Glamourous? Nope. Experience? Yep.

Stepping stones, these retards don't understand them.

Fuck my rant. Where am I?

>>151412
I don't go in for large aimless gatherings, whether I agree with the topic or not, but I have a lot of friends who do. In Toronto, at least. As far as I can gather, they're still firming up their ideas.

They in general seem to feel that the massive disparity between the tax rate of the richest and poorest should be fixed, and people with very high incomes should pay more than they do now, which is a small drop in the bucket of a salary that big, while a middle class or lower family pays a much, much larger percent of their much, much smaller income. That seems to be the main thrust, that the tax system should be reformed. They like to point out how financially well-off the US was in the 50's, when the rich--ie, the people with money to start with--were more heavily taxed than the middle class and poor who have no money anyways, compared to now where it's basically the opposite.

They're also mad about the bail-outs. Not that they happened, but that the corporations who got them took the tax payers' money--and as mentioned the poorest people sacrificed the most for that money--and gave their CEOs million dollar bonuses for running their corp. into the ground. So they want more regulation and/or supervision and/or "ethical" (because I can't think of a better word) controls or watchdog or banks and major corporations.

>>151707

Then some minor points about the behavior of corporations in foreign countries. A famous example would be the Chinese Apple workers. Or cocoa, in general. People get shot over cocoa beans all the time, like Nestle sending mercenaries to take down impoverished cocoa growers trying to unionize, because that's the sort of thing that happens in places where cocoa beans grow. Pretty much anywhere there's cocoa, there's blood. Things like that, linking into their above desire to see businesses held to less reprehensible moral standards.

There's other, smaller stuff, I think, that they haven't agreed on, but in Toronto at least, I think that's what they've got so far.

>>151505
Personally, these are my "demands":
-Instant run-off voting at a federal level (makes it easier for third parties to get elected)
-A small tax (sub $.25) on every financial sale (i.e. stocks, commodities, what have you). This will not hurt any particular individual investor, but it will divert some money to the government and serve to effectively wipe out high frequency trading, which diverts money to whoever has fastest connection to the stock market's server.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading
-Campaigns must be publicly financed, and no politician may receive contributions of over $100 from any entity
-Cut back on the military budget. We don't need to spend 6 times as much as China on our military. Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex, obviously we didn't listen.
-Term limits on senators and congressmen.
-Get the fuck out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, and wherever else the military has been sending drones (which apparently isn't a hostile action, according to Obama).

And some pipe dreams...:
-Legalize cannabis. It'll save us a shitton of money. Any politician knows supporting this is suicide, though, because your average joe is afraid his kid is gonna go shoot up and OD on pot in an alley.
-Reduce the size and scope of the federal government, giving each state a chance to be a "laboratory of democracy".

>>149898
>mfw I enlisted in the Army Reserve 2 years ago with an LPN job in my contract, plus 10,000 signing bonus, plus GI bill, plus lol reserveshit do I actually have time for college before i go active

Lol non combat (fuck im female anyway)
Lol civilian use
Lol no debt
Lol no soul though
Lololololololololilooolololololololol

Basically, consult the 20-year-old comic at left.

>>151664
>No. They worked they're asses off.
Yeah, those guys that rode the housing bubble sure worked hard.

It doesn't take hard work to get wealthy in Wall Street, just luck.

Really, the whole idea that rich people are rich because of genuine hard work just sickens me. It's all luck, pure luck.