What you didn't see: the kid wailing on his dad or siblings and being a little shit

Mind your own business OP

>>1258393
This. Nobody seems to be able to fucking do this. Kids get hit, and people get into fights. The other day one of my teachers was talking about what a hero she was for stopping some girl from beating up another girl for shit talking. It's not your fucking business, unless there are weapons involved and potential death.

>>1258393
I still didn't need to see what I did.

>At some shitty ghetto mall in texas
>see crowd gathering around a pack of niggers and spics
>they're apparently fighting or someshit, but just arguing
>arguing escalates to a fist fight between on of the niggers and a spic
>nigger knocks the fuck out of the spic
>another spic pulls out a knife and starts stabbing the nigger
>everyone starts screaming
>turns out the nigger actually died later

Yep, you could probably find the case if you looked it up, but it was the first time ive ever seen someone die, even though i didn't think he would have died

Last time I was at disneyland I saw a family with 3 kids, probably aroun 12, 8, and like 5 and the dad was yelling at one of the kids
>I am tired of this shit, every time I turn around someone needs to pee, we've been here since 8am and we've only been on 2 rides, none of you are peeing anymore or so help me god!!
He was totally losing his shit, I wanted to smack him, they're fucking kids, they're at disneyland. They are already fucking stoked to be at disneyland, probably not even thinking about how many rides they've been on. You take kids there so that THEY have a good time and they have good family memories, and you're ruining it by being a dick.

it made me have a sad.

>>1258433
Did the kids head fall off? How many pints of blood did he shoot out? I have to assume his head was knocked off with such force that every internal thing within him shot out through his neckhole and he was just a pile of skin next to a bloody mess.

That's why you're so traumatized by something so seemingly minor. The kid died.

That shithead probably gave his dad pinchies. Serves the little asshole right.

>>1258433

because it's so taboo for ya brah, you're raised sheltered with a man that couldn't even keep his kid disciplined and we're left with feminists, and beta men that do fuck all and erode values.

The real solution should be to not tail out of their and but eye it, to watch and show both parties you're about to jump in, if they're playing fair unconsciously and walk along your way to let them at it.

There's nothing wrong with it. It's how we've grown and it's today way of dealing with situations involving empathy.

Admire the father's love for his kid.

if it's not his real father, smite his balls and tear his face in right on the spot. they can go to hell

This thread's gonna get big, it'll bring out ALOT of r9k issues.

Most kids will just grow up to be a typical asshole like everyone else, regardless of upbringing. So who cares?

>>1258533
I was sheltered as a child, which is fairly obvious by the first post. However, the slap wasn't very upsetting, I know how things work, but how the guy did it, so casually and in public got me angry.

>>1258622
Nah, in the first post you just sound like a faggoty McFag Pussy.

>>1258622

so he can think for himself and knows that alot of others cannot, so they just walk on past without doing a fucking thing and trying to justify doing all later actions on a image board, tomorrow, rather then right then, today.

at least you're 1 step closing to thinking for yourself.

If you wouldn't do it to discipline an employee at work,
If you wouldn't do it to a stranger with poor manners,
If you wouldn't do it to someone else's misbehaving child,
If you wouldn't do it in public,
If you wouldn't do it to your girlfriend or boyfriend when she/he's being bitchy,
If you wouldn't hit an elderly person misbehaving,
Then don't hit your child.

There's tons of studies that show hitting children and exposing them to violence makes them behave poorly, and affects all sorts of mental issues. There's better ways to discipline a child rather than hitting them. Obviously there's some holes in my examples, but my general rule is; why would you need to inflict any type of physical pain on a child who's probably half of your size? Are you that inept at parenting that you can't think of something else? And would you hit anyone else in order to make them behave? How would that go down in society?

/r9k/ - Daddy Issues and Pussies

>>1258791
>Obviously there's some holes in my examples
No shit. Who doesn't hit his girlfriend when she doesn't behave? Seriously?

>>1258791
If I could get away with it, I would definitely hit people in each of those situations. And you're a faggot.

>>1258791

neat, i can see that. words and a deep stare work to, likely better when you don't need to resorting to hit.

But you nonetheless needs boundaries made and if someone crosses it, it should be thrown down, albeit not from a kid.

I think that hitting children is entirely appropriate and all the kids who got coddled tend to grow up poorly.

Here's the reality of the world.

1) We live in a nation state where a sovereign entity, the government, has a monopoly on legitimate violence.
2) We live in a justice system that punishes negative actions with violence, where bad actions are punished by forcibly dragging people away and putting them in metal cages.
3) Humans, globally, live under threat of violence.

Teaching your kids about the legitimate use of violence is important. Teaching kids when violence should be applied matters. Parenting with spanking and other physical discipline introduces the reality of violence and pain. Living children oblivious to the reality of violence, or just having them encounter it through school ground antics, does not help them develop a real concept of when violence is and is not appropriate.

>>1258915
This.
Do you hate "Violence is NEVER the answer" themes?
Because I do.
"A time to love, and a time to hate. A time for war, and a time for peace." - Ecclesiastes 3:18

>>1258915
>Legitimate use of violence
>Inflicting pain upon people smaller than you for trivial things.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983895,00.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/26/health/main513469.shtml

The reality of the world is that when you're in a position of power and trust for a child, and you inflict physical pain upon them, it's going to fuck them up. It's basic morals of society. How would you feel if people hit you when you made mistakes?

For the neckbeards, please provide a legitimate scientific study that says physical punishment has neutral or positive effects on children.

>>1258990

i do, but not the same OP. there are males, then there are females. there are no middle points to that. some people gotta accept that a cock and a pussy create c+p and then you have proper health for us, because it's how we breed, = reality. anything else, and you get fuck all. coddling is going to get you feminists and cunts.

There's nothing wrong with hitting a kid, per se. Children will grow up to be cunts if they never learn punishment comes from being a cunt, and have you ever been with a kid? They act like little shitheads, and you deal with that by telling them that it isn't right. Unless the kid clearly didn't deserve it, I don't see whats so fucked about it.

You should have shaken the man's hand, that kid will be one of the few productive men of his generation

Yeah hitting kids and terrifing the fuck out them is surely a beneficial thing for the well being of the child. How can anyone argue that hurting children is a bad thing? Seriously the best way to raise a child is to make them lose all trust in you and fear you.

>>1259139
This.

He'll probably hate his dad, but at least he won't be a fucking waste of space like time-out kids are.

>>1259137

Another issue is people don't see the difference between beating a kid and disciplining him. A backhand/slap is required sometimes to teach him, obviously, beating the shit out of a kid like you would an adult is cruel and unnecessary, but slapping/spanking is completely just.

>>1259152

fiear is respect for reality

>>1259152

How the fuck do you think we win wars? By scaring the shit out of people.

>>1259153
>>1259152
Wrong.
Children have flawed logic. They are not full grown, they do not understand things. Eventually he'll see the logic behind it and thank the parent.

While I agree, hitting the child isn't the best thing, it works. Unless the child is constantly being hit, he will not grow to hate the parent.

Guys, think about it. Our generation is a bunch of pussies. My father got his ass kicked for fucking up. My grandfathers both got stomped for making mistakes. My great grandfathers probably got thrashed half way to death several times growing up.

Our generation is fucking weak.

>>1259171
reality is an interpetation we make. the world is a feeling. youre argumant is invalid.

>>1259171

meant not to experience fear, but to act its part, so people smarten up

>>1259190
There's a huge amount of the population that loves everything about this.

>>1258990
>Violence is never the answer.
It solves a fuck ton of problems for not being the answer.

>>1259187
>Eventually he'll see the logic behind it and thank the parent
Gotta agree with this, because I'm an example of it. My dad was a military hardass, slapped the holy piss out of me when he saw on a progress report that I missed a day of school (I had skipped to hang with some admittedly bad friends.) It was the first and last time I ever did that.
I really respect him for literally smacking some sense into me, or else I would have really risked being some high school degenerate.

My mother never laid a finger on me but she never showed me an ounce of affection either. I resent her with ALL of my being. She fucked me up more than a smack ever did or ever will.

>>1259194

>herp derp im gonna feel great as i run across a dead battlefield.

>>1259195
all you who advocate hitting children are cruel people. theres no other way to label you.

>>1259212

Shut the fuck up, no one here advocates HITTING children. There is a huge fucking difference between hitting them and smacking them

>>1259207

glad to see you can see the difference between parents, rather then grouping the two of them into one as thought they're some happy couple just because they have a kid yet don't love eachother

>>1259209
what dose that even mean. youre trying to act smart and make some point about how reality is not an interpreation we make and how the world is not a feeling. but you cant. so you just mouth off. cool.

I was at this pizza place with my friends and this black lady was there yelling at her kid.
"Keep yo' ass in the car or Imma hit you in the head with a baseball bat!"

And then I was at a flea market.
This kid was complaining about these doritos because they had hot sauce on them.
Dad: You better fucking eat those.
Kid: BUT THEY HOT, THEY HOT.
Dad: I don't give a fuck. I bought them already so you're gonna eat them
Kid: BUT THEY HOT, THEY HOT!
Dad: You better not throw them away or I'm gonna kick your ass.


That's all I've really seen.

>>1259212
Nono, my experience beats your words. I was many a times spanked or kicked by my aunt/dad and guess what?
I learned not to do the shit that brought that in. And later in life, I got to know why not to do that. thats how kids work.

>>1259223
oh really? you have no clue do you. if i ever saw you "smacking"a child, even youre own, i would ride a bicycle of nightmares into your anus. i bet you would reconsider your position then. asshole.

I was raised without a dad, and my mom never hit me. Now, I'm here on r9k.

Maybe physical discipline isn't such a bad thing.

>>1259258
You wouldn't do shit because people fear conflict. Because they're afraid of getting their ass kicked.

>Neckbeards ignore articles about how spanking children is wrong.
>HURR DURR THEY WON'T LEARN ANY OTHER WAY IF YOU DON'T SMACK THEM A BIT

And don't pull that shit that's it's not abuse. There's too many factors. The force the child is hit with, their pain tolerance, your views on what abuse is, others views on what abuse is, etc.

In the real world, you don't hit people who do something wrong, or piss you off. But, I invite you all to backhand someone in public next time they're being rude or stupid. See how fast the cops get to you, and say that you were "disciplining them like you would a child".

I'm losing hope in /r9k/. Is there anyone else here who recognizes that there's other alternatives than violence?

I saw a couple having drunken sex in an alley once. I wish I could go back in time to ask if I could join in, but it was one of those moments where you're too scared until later.

>>1259253

Yeah my mom smacked the shit out of me, looking back, I wish she would have slapped me for more shit.

You can tell when kids have been pampered their whole lives cause they are nothing but grown manlets, they take no responsibility for anything

>>1259232

how's the world a feeling? you aint makin sense

>>1259258

Say that to my face fucker and not online and see what happens

bl0x

>>1259253
yes just like conditioning a puppy. it shits on the carpet and you rub the animals face in it. eventually it learns to not do that. you had your face rubbed in shit and you apparently loved it. doesnt mean its the best way. its for losers. funny how every loser who got hit as a kid always says they turned out great.

>>1259258

you're quite a barker, motherfucker

I don't know if any of you have seen how kids these days are disciplined and how it works when they get into a classroom, if you have though, you will understand why smacking kids is sometimes necessary.

>>1259316

so you coddled a dog and humanized him eh? you didn't show him that you respected your way of life, and weren't gonna have him do it, but instead you just hit him when he does, not explaining at the very start.

swing those balls tiger

>use corporal punishment appropriately
>explain to child WHY you hit them
>OMG CHILD ABUSE

I got a story about my (former) aunt.
My uncle, aunt, and cousin were living at our house because they couldn't afford to live anywhere else.

>Cousin is playing with my sister's toy
>Aunt gets mad and takes toy from her
>Cousin starts crying
>Aunt gets mad and smacks her hard
>Starts crying more
>Aunt smacks her again and tells her to shut up
>I tell her to fucking stop smacking her so hard
>She tells me to shut up and let her do what she wants
>Cousin is still crying
>Aunt grabs cousin by the arm and throws her to the other side of the room
>I stand up and tell her she better fucking stop or I'm calling the police
>Tells me she doesn't give a fuck
>Throws my cousin again

I didn't end up calling the police, but I told my parents about it.

My uncle and her divorced and later I came to find she had stolen some money from me.

>>1259316
This just reminds me of the time my pregnant friend got incredibly pissed at me because I said there's close to no difference between raising a child and raising a puppy.

>>1259316
I didn't like being punished, I thought it made my dad the fucking antichrist.

>>1259345

You're a whiteknight faggot who can't mind his own business

>mfw my cousin gets hit all the time and he's the most self-centered cunt in the fucking county
Works great guys keep at it!

I love how so many neckbeards are using their childhood experiences as evidence that hitting children is effective parenting.

>HURR my parents hit me and look how awesome I turned out!!

>>1259366
>implying everyone isn't self-centered

I bet he's successful at least

>>1259276
exactly. its just such.....inbred, trailer trash behaviour. kids learn to act like thier parents. if thier being little cunts in the first place its becaeu the parents are horrible cunts. and then the partns hit them and scream at them saying "dont hit your sister!" at the same time as getting hit byt the parent. yeah thats fanfuckingtastic behaviour.

>>1259276

You are so dumb.

Obviously you can't hit a grown adult, no one in here claims that is right, but it is way different when it is your own kid.

>>1259362
I'm not going to allow that kind of shit in my fucking house.

If you were 3 years old, wouldn't you want someone to stand up for you and not let someone beat you?

>>1259345
That is abuse, what's described in OP is using a tool to teach. It's not always the answer, but when it's done right it is effective. Same reason a parent would tell their kids not to touch the stove once, then let them touch the stove rather than rush in and try to intervene.

>>1259399

That is no different than you defending a girl who gets beat by her boyfriend; it's fucking pathetic

>>1259391
oh god you best be trolling.
>cant hit adults
>perfectly ok to hit your own kids, dont even question it.

>>1259375
Nope, failed all his classes and works at Mickey D's or some shit

>>1259399
No, because three year olds aren't capable of that line of reasoning. I'd probably cry because my feelings were hurt, sulk and get over it in due time because I'd have the attention span of a house fly.

Kids that small are dumb as shit. Hitting a... eh, 6-8 year old. Yeah, that sticks.

>>1259377
>if thier being little cunts in the first place its becaeu the parents are horrible cunts

That's not true at all. Have you never been around a young child? ALL little kids are assholes. No exceptions.

>>1259377
Shithead, kid's don't copy their parents, they copy EVRYTHING.

>>1259405

Yeah there is a difference between some random guy at the mall and the kid that you, as a parent, are responsible to raise.

And once a-fucking-gain, there is a difference between smacking and hitting.

>>1259403
How the hell is that the same thing?
At least with the girl, if she isn't stupid, she can do something about it to stop the abuse.
A child on the other hand is different.

Would it have been better if I hadn't said anything? So that my niece were to be abused more?
I don't fucking think so.

OP here. Interesting to see the conversation on this topic. Also fun to watch people rage at eachother/mock me.
>>1259403
Is there any wrong in defending someone weaker than you, be it a child, woman, or old man?

>>1259427

You people need to learn something called "minding your own fucking business" you won't get far in life without this skill.

>>1258382
The Father sounds like he was doing the right thing. You don't punish a child for what they have done wrong, you punish a child to teach them right from wrong and social norms. The father said "Hurts doesn't it? That's how it feels", which implies that kid was hitting him or hitting somebody else. The kid has now been shown that hitting people hurts others.

>>1259419
And you know what gets them to stop copying everything? Smackin' them.

Bet if all of these autist hugbox faggots on /r9k/ got hit more (and in the right situations), they'd do something with their lives.

Disciplining children is like disciplining a dog. You have to do it in just the right situation, so they don't misattribute it to something else.

Alright, 'hitting' is to harsh a term. Say spanking, yelling at, taking away television rights, how about that?

>>1259419
yes they do but they learn energetcally how to act from the parents.
how to use thier time
how to be responsible or lack of it
etc etc you have no argument
kids have no choice but to copy the parents most basic features of how to face the world.

>>1259435
My god, you are beyond fucking stupid.

>>1259435
That still doesn't answer the question.

>>1259446
Sweet argument skills, bro!

>>1259446

Because I'm not fucking autistic and can understand that there are two sides to every story and that I can't accurately judge something I know nothing about?

>>1259444
True. Good children come from good parents.
However, a truly good parent won't stop to chew their kid out when he does something wrong, like spit in someone's groceries, kick some guys car, because the kid. is. STUPID.

>>1259470
Rather, the kid lacks knowledge not to do so, and the parent must teach the kid no too.

>>1259470
Aye, a fellow scotsman.

A good parent WOULD correct a child when they are misbehaving, no matter the circumstance. It's their job to raise the kid. It takes a varied bag of tools, though, and using the correct tool at the correct time is what separates an effective parenting style from an ineffective parenting style.

>>1259496
Ex-fucking-actly. Well said, well said.

My father hit me until I was into my teens.

I don't think it helped at all. If he would have taken the time to actually talk and discuss things with me it would have been easier.

He wouldn't do it now as I'm grown up, but I'm still on the verge of a breakdown if there's a confrontation between us.

People who've been there might know what I mean. It's strange how people who had parents like that could advocate any violence.

Shit messes people up, man.

>>1259420
A random guy at a mall could be much more dangerous. Would you avoid hitting a stranger who is expressing legitimatly dangerous behaviours, but hit a child because they stole a chocolate bar and can't understand why that's wrong?

But, let's change the situation. Say you work at an old folks home. You are directly responsible for the care and actions of the elderly there. If one misbehaves, do you hit them?

And what's the difference between smacking and hitting? It's so fucking ambiguous, and there's no way to judge how much harm you're actually doing. What you think may be a fair punishment could be viewed as overboard by someone else, or not enough by another person. There's no line to base it on. There's not a certain guide saying "Hit your child this much and this hard so they listen, but don't come out traumatized".

Fuck, you just don't hit people. It's preschool stuff. When you hit a child, who is completely innocent, doesn't know right from wrong, and trusts you completely, you're setting them up for serious emotional damage. Why is this so hard to understand?

>>1259529

why are you still sulking on that meatbag then? move past it, get some closure, and retrieve your set of balls

>Point of the thread:
Kids are individuals and need a variety of disciplinary practices, including talks AND smacks.

You really can't go wrong doing both.

>>1259577

because parents put their kids in daycare first without teaching them a damn thing. take care of your kid and he'll do alright.

>>1259529
I feel you. My step father would beat me for the most trivial shit. He was raised in an environment where that was common, so no one batted an eye when he did it to me.

Now I have pretty serious issues from that. I can't stand people coming up behind me at all, because I'm so used to getting hit in the back of the head.

People are going to argue that that is abuse, and not corporal punishment. But there's a fair amount of people who would say what was done to me was fair. Some might say I deserved more.

There's no standard when hitting a child, because each child is different, as is each person hitting the child. It may not mess up every child, but there's still a large chance that it will.

>>1259206
Yeah. Like if we need oil we can just make some bullshit about terrorists and blow the heads or Arabs open!
Problem solved

>>1259669

that's a problem with their government for wanting the money for themselves and not passing it around and wanting more since they know the world relies on oil so much, and they don't make better uses of themselves

IIT: Foreveralone neckbeards think they know more about parenting than UNESCO, Save the Children, Austrailian Psychological Society, Canadian Paediatric Society, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Royal College of Psychiatrists, American Academy of Pediatrics, and the National Association of Social Workers.

/thread

>>1259782

>which implies alot of people cannot get over past actions, and still hold a grudge that keeps them held down.

Why the hit is appropriate in this case:
>he's using it to teach a specific lesson(hitting people is wrong because it hurts other people)
>chances are he did it immediately after the act so the connection is fresh in the kids mind
>chances are he used minimal force and is slowly escalating until it sets in(start with a slap on the wrist, then a light hit to the face, then a slightly harder hit)
>he reinforces the lesson so the child makes the connection

Hitting a kid for the sake of hitting them, or any thing they do wrong is ineffective. Doesn't make hitting them universally wrong.

When I was younger mostly the only times he would acknowledge my existence was when he was mad and out for blood.
I wasn't even a shitty kid. The worst thing I've ever done is gotten a D on a report card. Yep. Read that right. Worse thing I've ever done is gotten the wrong scribble on a piece of paper apparently.
I don't even like being in his presence now. I always feel like he's about to hit me or something.