sad future is sad ;_;

just wait until engineering and accoutning gets outsourced to india

>I graduated April 2009 in the Math, finance field.
>I am going back to school and milking OSAP a bit more - I am already 27,000 in debt

Sorry to hear that. I've already decided not to go to college, mainly because of ethical reasons (I don't want to go into debt).

I hope you can pay it off eventually. Are you living independently on government aid/foodstamps, or are you living with family?

been 1.5 yr unemployed..canada sucks and i guess us is no better unless u qualify for affirmative action

Well, you're better off than me OP, who got a degree in digital arts. And yeah, work experience trumps a worthless piece of paper any day. I have a friend who is making close to 100k a year in the IT field and still has no degree after six years or so of taking classes here and there. However, what he does have are solid contacts and great work experience.

I've been pissed at this from the beginning. Cease outsourcing, bring the jobs, even if they're just shitty factory jobs, back to the U.S.
Somebody will be happy to work, but goddamnit man, at least they'll be there. I'll stand in an assembly line and build your cars, your toys, your shoes, I don't give a fuck I'm 18 and I want a job.

In the mean time I've been doing extra community service so I can have more references.

>>10364405

I'd only advise going to college in a field that's practical and lucrative. Anything else is just a waste of your time and money, and you're better off gaining real work experience or taking up a trade of some sort.

>>10364458
But while you were getting your degree you didn't do any work in mod teams, assemble a portfolio, none of that?

yeah.... degrees aren't magic, unfortunately. Wish someone had told you. The contacts you make as an undergrad are what are truly powerful. Hope your second trip back to school proves helpful, otherwise you might be fucked.

>>10364405
waiting for OP's reply

>>10364493
Accounting is practical and lucrative, right? I didn't want to settle on anything like pharmacist or something similar and I thought accounting would be good.

As a fresh HS graduate, the concept of no jobs to be had scares me. I can't even get a fast food job right now, shitsux

>>10364558
Your friends are your best chance at getting jobs. My friend got her first job, no previous experience, this year as a waitress. Her boss didn't even like her that much.

>>10364498
>But we all know you aren't going because you are too scared.
No, I don't want to be in debt to the state.

>there is going to be widespread loan forgiveness in the next ten years. So when they are all wiped off the books you are going to feel like a real mook.

Could you link me to a news page or something?
thanks.

>>10364532
200 posts later... still waiting.

>>10364498
No you idiot, there's no risk to creditors in student loans. Its one of the few loans that could only be discharged through death (bankruptcy won't work) and even if you do default, the government covers the loss for the creditor.

>>10364500

The classes were largely worthless, but I did develop some good pieces for my portfolio. I probably should have thought ahead and made the best of my time even if that was the case, but I didn't. However, outside of class, I did work on several commercial video game projects and did some additional work on my portfolio. The thing I regret not getting into sooner was the 3D modeling component, which is a major requirement for artists looking to go into my field.

Anyways, I'd say in hindsight what I should have done was chosen a more profitable field to get a degree in or joined the military instead while keeping the art thing a hobby.

OP is a myth.

Come to Ottawa; government jobs are recession-proof!

I see your Eric Conveys an Emotion picture and raise you another Eric Conveys an Emotion picture.

>>10364291
>Math, finance field
What did you actually major in?
If you got a BS in math, you should expect to starve.

>do online courses as in-class instruction is pretty bogus
Online instruction is even more bogus.

> We are already in double-dip recession 10x worse than anything in the 30s
This is patently false.

Your post contains some grammatical errors. Were you typing quickly or is English not your native language?
I'm asking because language skills are very important to almost all white-collar jobs.

>>10364688

> I'm really cool for having knowledge about OP's picture

>>10364638
Nah, don't abandon it like that. Here's what I'd do.

Work on 3D Modeling or whatever it is you really want to do on the side, but fucking train rigorously at rigging. Rigging is one of the easier jobs to find in the 3D Art/Videogame production/Movie special effects fields.

Also get into mod teams, find a mod you think looks good and will be successful (not vaporware), and stick to it. The larger more successful videogame studios only ask for 3 years minimum when they want applications.

Next, remember this "Jack of all trades, master of none, but often better than a master of one." When you apply to a position at videogame studios you may come across the option to tell them what ever other skills you have to offer. This can be a clincher if you're great at maybe one or two things, and good at like concept art / texturing.

I know how you feel OP.
The worst part is the stigma that comes with being unemployed, everyone assumes you're lazy, too picky about work and are being a leech on society.

>We ALL got lied to in highschool and throughout university --- its hard to accept that now, it really is.
I have made a point of telling everyone I know that is high school age about the lies we were told.
It's kind of irritating that I was told the kids who dropped out of school and got into a trade and got some work experience were basically going to have shit lives, while the world would bow at the feet of those who have a degree.

Funny how those that were apparently going to fail at life are now doing much better than me.

At least count yourself lucky that you could get a jab at a grocery store, shitty as that may be, it could be worse.
Just hang in there, it will hopefully get better soon.

>>10364678
I'm afraid so, OP is a myth. Always was.

>>10364631
still waitng for a reply about OP's housing situation.

>>10364743
Oh, forgot to add, things other than texturing/concept art you can get involved in, since those are pretty... eh "regular" and you have to REALLY compete for it. You should look into being a lightning artist. I'm not sure how competitive it is.

>>10364405
>>10364405
>>10364405
>>10364405

op here:
will be applying for ontario welfare by august

fuck captcha for r9k

Yeah... I really wish that I wasn't pushed so heavily into college during high school. For me, everything that I had been taught said "graduate high school and go to college."

Now I'm just getting some bullshit general studies degree or something (I honestly have no clue) and some really hippy college that doesn't even have grades. I'll be +$30k in debt by the time I graduate, but I'm trying to look on the bright side. I'm focusing on making connections with my peers, and really discovering who I am and what I like to do. I like learning, and so I'm focusing mostly on learning a little of everything while I'm in college rather than getting some bullshit degree I won't do anything with.

Yeah... I definitely could've done that without going to college, but I figure while I'm here and spending money, I might as well enjoy the experience. Turn a mistake into an adventure, if you will.

>>10364516
>The contacts you make as an undergrad are what are truly powerful
You sound like an MBA.
Kill yourself, faggot.

op here again..im living independent. parents dont live in same province.

also doesnt it suck that for an entry level position you need at least 1yr work expereince..

i mean if u dont get a job how do u get expeience to get a job

>>10364743

Thanks for the suggestions. Doing game art has been a huge passion of mine, and pretty much since 2000, I've been active in mod teams and the like. The problem is that I spent a large part of my time doing 2D stuff instead of 3D, and the pipeline has been sort of condensed where just a pure 2D artist isn't necessary anymore. However, I have been producing more 3D items for my portfolio, so we'll see where that ends up.

Part of me wants to continue producing 3D items for my portfolio and work some sort of low end job to make ends meet while also looking for something better. On the other hand, I also feel very pessimistic about the job market in the game industry and want to move on to something else.

>>10364843
I'm not sure if it's the same in Canada, but in the United States you can put Community Service in the references for work experience.

>OSAP

What University you at fellow Ontarian?

>>10364726
>>10364726

op: degree was math and business admin - double degree 5 yr program

>>10364865
Often there will be a separate section to list your community involvement on job applications. You always put it on your resume. I think that employers nowadays understand that it's hard for young people to find jobs, and as long as they see a decent list of volunteer work, they realize you're a good candidate for the job.

>>10364863
If it's what you really want to do then do it. Work a boring job but keep a hobby close to heart. Just keep at it, if you're good enough you can be really successful at that sort of thing.

At the moment I've really got too many passions to keep up with digital art, but I definitely plan to revisit it in a month or two.

>>10364843

Most entry level jobs don't need experience, at least not around here(PA). If you want to get more than minimum wage though yeah you'll need some.

What is OP's picture of? I remember it was something stupid like EricMakesAFace.com and it kept up after years of no updates.

Oh god damn captcha got me again.

>>10364811
>hippy college that doesn't even have grades. I'll be +$30k in debt by the time I graduate

Going to liberal arts college? Highschool student here who's been prompted to send applications out and try to enroll in a liberal arts college. I've got a 4+ year portfolio and my family really wants me to go.

The tuition is 35,000 a year, and Ibarely have enough money for one semester. Both my parents are 40+ thousand in debt.

so much for that yeah?

>>10364911

So I take it you were in co-op. Did you have decent co-op jobs?

bumping this thread for OP;.

>>10364738
I thought he was pretty cool for knowing about it...

>>10364865
You can write whatever the fuck you want on applications and resumes and call it work experience.
In my previous field (software development) it's normal for people to work on personal projects or volunteer on open source projects. In fact, if someone has no experience outside of work, it's likely that their skill set has neither depth nor breadth.
Also, software written for a previous employer and its source code are typically private, so personal projects are a good asset for a portfolio.

>>10364981
Yeah, seriously don't do it. Don't ever ever EVER go to college unless you're going for a specific reason. Say, you want to be an accountant and you need to get a degree. Something of that nature. If you're not sure what you want to do DON'T GO!

Seriously. Move out of state or something, do something crazy and amazing. Hitchike across the country, start a new life somewhere. Do the things that I wish I could've done, but now I can't because I'm in so much debt, I will be working to pay it off for a very long time. By the time it's all paid off, I'll most likely have other debts (mortgage etc.) and children and a husband.

Live your life... don't make the same mistake I did.

Have you tried other countries?

Parents don't get this so they pressure me.

>>10365180

They want to make sure you know what to do with your life, so if you don't want to go to college, have a strong alternative plan.

>>10365147
>HE TAKES HIS DEBT SERIOUSLY
Just one of many reasons why you're the world's bitch

>>10364911
I'm glad I know nothing about what the job market is for business administration majors, but expecting to get a job with a four year degree in math is just silly.

gsdgsdfh shshs

Basically:

Work experience > degree

So if you're working on getting a degree, make sure you have good work experience before you leave college. Alternatively if you can network or acquire a job in your field without a degree for the time being, do that, then pursue a degree. Not easy to do the first option considering your limited time, but you have to do it because entry level jobs without experience are tough to find.

>>10365251
I'm sick of your fucking posts.

I bet you're the same motherfucker who replied to me with this >>10364498

Seriously now, you're in the same boat as everyone else. Shut up and start facing reality.
Either that or you're some ignorant highschooler who thinks he's going to get a great fucking job and live a great life because his parents told him he's #1 right up through the years.
You're not #1. You're nothing. You're on fucking 4chan.

>certified in EST and HVAC
>added on several other certifications, like a 30 hour OSHA class
>dropped out of college years ago
>zero debt, making 150k~ a year
>own two houses
>collegefags waiting tables and answering phones
Damn it feels good to be a tradebro

>>10365499
>Making $150k a year
Here's the part where I call bullshit, and demand proof. Proof?