>>10150732
We all know women can't do shit so don't even start.

Of course they serve a purpose.

Women are weak and fragile.

>>10150732

gender roles define us less by what they are and more by what they aren't, a man is not intended to be overly emotional, because he has things he has to get done, a woman is not supposed to cheat, because her uterus belongs to her man, a man is not supposed to be weak because it is part of our social duty to protect the home, etc. ultimately gender roles are simple guidelines for how not to be a disgusting waste of human flesh by completely ignoring the natural progression of human experience either by willful ignorance or genetic flaw.

>>10150769
I like you and I like everything you said. You brought a smile to my face on this bitter, shitty morning.

Humans are biologically hardwired to follow gender roles. After you ignore the small number of exceptions, the remaining people will never be happy without conforming to their role. When you ignore the traditions, you get things like a 50% divorce rate and single parenthood.

read the article MAN vs Person by Jack Donovan

also, dat pic
>implying gender roles are based in advertising

>>10150769
Gender roles do not teach us how to be productive, but rather who is supposed to be productive. AKA man > female. You can not follow gender roles and still fulfill their intended purpose.

>>10150732
>without any real worth today
>implying we live in some bizarro world where reality, nature, and humanity behave completely different that they have been for thousands of years

Someone didn't sit down and define "gender roles" one day with the expectation that everyone should follow that shit. They evolved, just like the rest of our society, just like the rest of our species, over millions of years. They're not as important nowadays, sure, and if they REALLY GET ON YOUR NERVES, there's nothing to really stop you from telling people to fuck off and doing what you want, but most people don't feel that way. Most people don't even notice them; they just behave as millions of years of biology layed the groundwork for.

people reject gender roles because they think blank slates = equality
it's a widespread logical phallacy

>>10150839
>Implying making and raising new people isn't productive.

The entire purpose of man in society is just to support women in this process.

>>10150830
Marriage is unnatural. Divorce is to be expected when humans act naturally.

>>10150732

This pic makes me rage. Especially the last part, seeing how most girls who are "taking steps toward liberation" are quite vocal about disliking men who don't fit traditional male gender roles.

>>10150839
You seem to be implying that taking care of children isn't productive. Bad parenting is at the root of a lot of society's problems. People like you are actively destroying society.

o my god so much trolling
If there's one more troll post I think I may drown in troll secretions

>>10150972

op here, yes.. i didnt expect this level of trolling, apparantly it's a "sensitive subject" or something

>>10150904
Marriage has been the standard throughout civilized history. It is the tradition. If you want this to be a discussion about stone age gender roles, not the traditions handed down to us, then rape is natural, and you're suggesting that men should be using violence to enslave women when they want to have families. This setup has been rejected by civilized societies because it leads to everyone killing each other.

>>10150732

The difference is the meta-sexism, the idea that sexism against women is somehow worse or more poisonous than sexism against men, is not even acknowledged by most people, never mind opposed.

Women are sex objects, men are success objects, and we always will be until we are wired differently. The definitions of what constitutes sexy and what constitutes successful will change, but the underlying categories won't.

>>10151013
What are you talking about? This thread is full of serious posts.

There's no reason why the lines can't be blurred or crossed. But there's no reason to blur or cross gender roles unless you don't naturally conform to them.

>>10151035

I don't think so tim.

Committed relationships, yes, but enforced by law, violence or shunning, no. Divorce is just a term for the end of a marriage. And a marriage is just a relationship that has been declared in some official way.

I do think people divorce, give up on relationships too easily, nowadays, but the right to do so easily must exist.

>>10151051

thats just sad.
i think most people just went with the 'hurr durr misogyny lol' opportunity. but seriously guys, i think a lot of problems would be solved if there were no false dichotomy between man and woman.

>>10150898
>>10150930
You can just as easily raise children in a democratic way where the men don't have all the positive qualities.

I mean come on, all those things that fall in line with the woman gender role stereotype are very undesirable traits. Popping out babies is not exactly the one thing humans should live for.

Do your own assignment dickface.

>>10151085
What are you talking about? Committed relationships without enforcement have never been the standard or the tradition. They go against natural gender roles.

They serve a purpose. Both roles contribute to society... however the fact that the male role should remain exclusivly to the males, and the female for the females is a tradtion that should be shattered piece by piece.

Obviously men can't pop kids out there pissholes, so certain things can't be broken, but allowing women to try to be more independent and men to be more emotionally honest I feel will advance society more.

Why does Hitler have a faux hawk and is wearing pink?

>>10151241

It's clearly Charlie Chaplin you blind fuck!

>>10151111
No, trying to split the burden equally just makes things more difficult on both of them. If one parent focuses on the kids, the other is free to deal with external things like work without interruption, but if the division of labor is equal, both of them will be dealing with constant interruptions.

Making money is not exactly the one thing humans should live for. You are wrong, and female roles are not limited to undesirable traits. You're trying to force your warped, unhealthy family-hating view on everyone else.

I quite like gender roles.

My girlfriend believes that the man should do all the long-distance driving, and I believe I should get some ass whenever I ask for it.

It works out pretty well.

>>10151334

What do you thing about Family Clusters? ... or whatever the hell they are called.

>IMPLYING ANYONE HERE IS QUALIFIED TO SAY WHAT IS BIOLOGICALLY INHERENT AND WHAT IS CULTURALLY INSTILLED
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>IMPLYING ANYONE HERE IS QUALIFIED TO SAY WHAT IS BIOLOGICALLY INHERENT AND WHAT IS CULTURALLY INSTILLED

Holy shit, Crimethinc. I havent seen that shit in forEVER.

>>10151347
>family cluster
>Epidemiology A grouping of disorders found in at least 2 members of a family

Not sure what you're talking about.

>>10151379

Marriage Clusters? Basically two husbands and two wives living together and raising all they're children.

Improves the odds of someone always being there to take care of the kids.

>>10151334

Except it's been proven in nature that it is advantageous for partners to take turns looking after the offspring while one gets the food and water it needs.

>>10151413
I think it would only work in the case of an extended family, where they're all related to each other, but in that case it's something that was natural and common in history. It doesn't remove the need for certain people to focus on child care, but by pooling resources, it allows them to do a better job overall and reduce the burden on each one.

For example, a career-oriented woman might take a break for a few years when her own kids are very young, and return to work once they're old enough to be watched by the communal group. A home-oriented woman might stay there watching everybody's kids.

A big part of the traditional/historical dynamic here is the fact that reliable birth control is a recent invention, so women used to get pregnant a lot more. You could summarize it as "get pregnant, go home" and men just never get pregnant.

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>>10151467
Where's this proof?

everyone in this thread who disagrees that gender rolls are necessary, spends alot of time masturbating, or fucking women with low self esteem. simply put not going along with what biology says is correct, is kind of a waste of time. the dissolution of the idea of gender roles over time has lead to a marked increase in depression and immoral behavior in society. don't believe me? prove me wrong.

>>10151604
>correlation
>causation
oh you