it was a music stream

streams are considered advertisement


tell the owner of r/a/dio to shovel 20 bucks a month to advertise it on /a/ if you want it on 4chan that much. i doubt threads would be allowed even if they did, though.

>>714902
moot doesn't care if they buy an ad to run and link it to the stream/irc/38chan thread, just they aren't allowed to have a thread for it on /a/. However that logic works.
But, he's also said that he doesn't care if people buy ads to troll tripshits/other boards/4chan as a whole, so fucked-up logic seems to be the norm here.

>>714902
so, say we got together and bought a few ads, would it have been allowed? people would certainly do it, r/a/dio was widely (as widely as it can be on a board as /a/)

I think /a/ is helpful enough towards moderation as it is to allow them a guilty pleasure once in a while, more so if it didn't spawn any problems, i mean, drawthreads aren't really that on-topic either by the same way of thinking

>>714938
The ads would be allowed, but not the threads.
Stupid, I know, though apparently as long as the ads don't break any US laws, anything goes and they're above the rules.

>>714977
I usually have no issue with the moderation on /a/ or across the site, but i think this is retarded and should at least be adressed, if there is no real issue except the fact that it's an stream, and not even a bad or attentionwhoring one, couldn't an exception, even if implied and not outright said (in order to avoid real shitpost and attention whoring in a slippery slope) be made? they allow fucking waifu thread's for god's sake

>>715012
moot probably thinks it's bad precedent to make a special exception for one stream. What will you do when a r/a/dio competitor comes along and whines about the double standard? It's just bad precedent and everybody who cares already knows about it.

I'm fine with r/a/dio being banned because if its against the rules, then so be it.

But what I'm not okay with is disallowing r/a/dio streams but batting an eye at all the constant advertising on /vg/.

At least be consistent in your moderation.

I don't have much to say in the way of their legitimacy, but

>the threads were always civil
Are you fucking kidding? They've been a childish spamhappy shitfest for the longest time. MAYBE during 2011 and before they were all right, but last year's r/a/dio threads were degeneracy incarnate.

>>715033
then don't say it's allowed, just stop baning it, and the moment it brings forth attention whoring, THEN ban it, i think /a/ has a good enough attitude towards self moderation to allow it a guilty pleasure

>>715061
"r/a/dio is allowed until someone starts trying to compete with it" is just bad precedent. Somebody is always trying to stream something. A while back there was that one guy who liked to take requests on Saturdays or some shit like that.

>>715012
It's been addressed multiple times, be it by masquerading tripshits or other users quoting the rules. If I remember right, /a/ usually had an UNTZ thread, r/a/dio, then Eden radio - if the latter two aren't one and the same - and they were all promptly banned under the No Advertising rule once brought into the scope of the mods/moot's radar. They were also banned due to the large amount of offtopic chatter the threads contained, regardless of the music being played. /v/'s and /m/'s radio streams were also banned under the same ruling.

Waifu threads... I don't really care if people have found a way to love a 2D character, but I report many of the inane waifu threads like >she sees your [s]bank account[/s], >she sees your dick >If your waifu was a mode of transportation, what would she be? and shit like that. Many of the threads Ive looked into contain excessive amounts of blogging near the bar r/a/dio's threads set once night fell and everyone started drinking.

As far as an exception to the rules for them goes, it's just not going to happen. If you look to >>714750 →, you'll see the kind of responses our admin has to say on matters deemed important, let alone letting a board have one off-topic thread a week without allowing all the other boards the same luxury.

>>715083
i was actually hoping that the mod would answer, moot's been drinking by my estimations and that does not really bring forth good things, see: /mlp/

do the same thing we do with sadpanda, make it clear that the thread is on the verge of banning the moment it gets out of control and people will behave, in the same way no one posts porn in sadpanda threads or else their toys will get taken away

>>715120
>make it clear that the thread is on the verge of banning the moment it gets out of control and people will behave,
The problem is that there's always that one faggot who goes out of his way to send it out of control, and the staff can't really stop him because the entire thread was technically illegal.

>>715143
i guess it's harder to distinguish blogging from a clear porn pic, but people really liked these threads, and if they know that they will get taken away they'll just ignore and report the faggot, and avoid it spiralling out of control, anything other than music requests and discussion will cause the threads to become banned again

Radio thread's been banned for years under the no ad rule. Moot agreed, don't bother him about it.

>>715120
You might want to give up hope for a mod to answer in this thread, they seem to be in recession from the recent janitor fiasco, or doing anonymous damage control over the incident. It's sad, but what can you do.

Sadpanda, that's a touchy topic. Mods have allowed the threads, links to NSFW content and discussion of the content, yet banned NSFW images from being posted, which is what a large portion of Sadpanda hosts. I don't mind them being on /a/, though they could also be posted on /e/ or /h/ to bring content, traffic and discussion to otherwise slower boards.
The analogy doesn't necessarily work the same for r/a/dio threads unless there was a janitor or mod babysitting the threads like kinomod supposedly was when the wikispam started, and if that happens, the rest of the board goes unnoticed unless one of them decides to check the report queue between songs, as the threads do breed spamming - like when Code Geass's OP plays, many people would flood the thread with JIBUN WOOO spam - and offtopic blogging completely unrelated to anime and manga, in such amounts that the current report limit for a single poster simply can't handle.

I understand you miss the threads being on /a/, but the better bet would be to check 38chan on the days it usually has a thread and post there for the threads, as if the staff were to allow /a/ special treatment set aside from the established rules, all the other boards would want in on it as well, "because /a/ can do it, why not us?"

Circlejerk of the worst kind about a bunch of anons just listening to music. Use skype or some other shit.

>>715308
other boards can go suck a dick, if they don't have a board culture of preventing shitpost it's their issue

they have made bigger bets before, make a thread, tell people, do this and they get taken away, and come back in a week or a month and see how they fare and if anons can keep it in an acceptable level, i undertand your argument though

>is r/a/dio anime or manga?
No.
>is r/a/dio advertising?
Yes
>does r/a/dio encourage shitposting?
Yes.
>is r/a/dio just a cirlcejerk for minor /a/ celebrities and tripshits?
Yes.

>>715362
>if they don't have a board culture of preventing shitpost

See, this is where a large issue lies. How /a/ currently operates may repel some of the undesirable shitposters, but it also invites more that add to the problem by posting "ironic shitposts" such as overusing emotes, spewing memes from other boards or causing an argument just to have fun at /a/'s expense. It's also caused a strain on the relationship between other boards such as /v/, /sp/, /tg/ from threads regarding /a/'s CYOA threads being directed there, and /q/ for repeated use as a report button in the past and other issues.

I'm not saying /a/ should change how it operates regarding repelling shitposting, as such a change would be far too difficult to implement on such a large board with so few staff members that actually give a shit about /a/ - if moot would hurry up and open janitor applications, I'd love to apply for /a/, though I don't see that happening anytime soon from how he's handling the thread I linked earlier - though it doesn't exactly repel most shitposters through use of culture alone.
The same argument could be made for dubs spam in Naruto threads, really. Some see dubs as a method of self-moderation - shitposting a thread until it gets deleted to prevent discussion of a heavily disliked topic - and others see dubs as shitposting a thread that has both an anime and a manga. It's just impossible to appease everyone with the current system, and very difficult to fix it otherwise.

>>715580
then don't, just let us have our music threads, we'll handle the rest

>>715606
I wish it were up to me to decide what content is allowed to be posted from the currently existing content, but it isn't. Ever since moot came out and said they shouldn'tve been allowed in the first place, people have been rallying to report the threads whenever they're made on /a/; r/a/dio, UNTZ and Eden. To want the threads on /a/, user-bought ad or not, you're fighting those who consistently report them on sight.

As far as I'm aware, r/a/dio has migrated to 38chan to quell the drama over it, UNTZ still gets made though it gets regularly deleted and remade, and I haven't seen any trace of Eden threads since the original incident.

>>715442
Spot on.

What's with these r/a/dio threads all of a sudden? It seems like we've had numerous ones this week, after it had all died down and they left for 38chan without incident.

While we're on the topic of r/a/dio threads, if you happen to see a thread made on /a/ and the OP is using the !ZlhKV3ZWMI tripcode, this is not actually Eku posting. His trip was accidentally revealed in a post he made in an archived thread, and the tripshit known as Nagi has been shitposting with it to smear him and r/a/dio for the mistake. Eku has been keeping to himself on 38chan under a new tripcode.

Just a PSA for the less-informed.

>>715653
Thank you.

I was wondering what the fuck was going on. Eku can be a whiny bitch but those threads I saw was out of character.

I don't even care anymore. They took something away that a good portion of the community enjoyed, even if they only popped in once in a while. I'm judging this by how the post rate in other threads dropped around eight. 38chan is terrible compared to the original threads. Oh well, nothing gold can stay. Someday 4chan will be overwhelmed by shitposting and die off just like the threads did, also.

>>715442
>>715643
hey there, janitors. we all know your leaked tactics now.

>>714849 (OP)
spaeking of r/a/dio what about the r/a/dio threads on /m/ mecha mondays? the ones that actually are civil, aside from that one guy who reports EVERYTHING on /m/ even the translation threads. R/m/dio threads are basically people posting mediafire links for /m/usic well having someone play them.

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This shit didn't happen before /q/, ruining everything good one janitor at the time.

>>716667
They fell to the same situation /a/'s radio threads, the same happened to /v/'s radio threads. People might've been playing board-relevant music and discussions kept to the board subject material, but are still viewed as stream threads.

>>716683
so basically rule 11 confirmed for flawed and worse than Hitler?

>>716687
the rules as a whole can be considered that
except rule 15. that needs to be stricter

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Cool banner on /a/ though.

>>714849 (OP)
R/a/dio threads aren't a problem. They are anime related, more so than some of the threads that are allowed (anime music is a thing) and there wasn't a problem before people starting looking for things to complain about on /q/.


The amount of people who enjoy them vastly outnumber the amount of people who are against them, it's just that the people who like the threads don't go to /q/.

>>716746
They're banned because moot personally announced they were banned, even though he knows they're popular.

>>716747
moot's a fag

>>715442
>is r/a/dio anime or manga?
>No.
Yes. It's music related to /a/ topics.
>is r/a/dio advertising?
>Yes
That would deem buyfag threads advertising, as well.
>does r/a/dio encourage shitposting?
>Yes.
Subjective. There's a lot of shitposting on /a/. This isn't mutually exclusive to one thread, nor are they moderated.
>is r/a/dio just a cirlcejerk for minor /a/ celebrities and tripshits?
>Yes.
Guys, we have a guy playing DJ who wants to identify and notify if things fug up! And if tripfagging is celebrity/tripshit levels of bullshit to you, why don't you beg for everybody on all boards to be anonymous while you're at it?

It's shameless singling out. You enforce rules on one thread, and don't enforce it upon others.

>>715643
>what is banning / constant janitoring even though janitors don't clean other garbage threads

>>716747
And why? "Because advertisement" when clearly other threads in /a/ can easily be advertising. Hell, the kickstarters for LWA should have been removed.

>>716746
They're banned because moot is a cocksucker. We have one decent mod (probably kino), one absolutely shittacular mod who deletes/bans things that he doesn't like, and one gigantic shitlord (moot). Also crossboard janitors that don't understand /a/ and delete everything.

So yeah.

>>716749
Because he decided to ban all streams, everywhere, forever. Every board complained about this.

>>715442
>is r/a/dio anime or manga?
The music they play is anime related

>is r/a/dio advertising?
R/a/dio is non profit and and there's only the one thread a week. That's hardly commercial spam now, is it?

>does r/a/dio encourage shitposting?
Again, one thread a week and the only shitposters are the ones harping on about getting them banned.

>is r/a/dio just a cirlcejerk for minor /a/ celebrities and tripshits?
No tripshits and as for Eku, he's the DJ so it stands to reason that he'd post a few times.

>>716683

E3 streams on /v/ are chock-full of advertising, but imagine them getting banned. The rule isn't always enforced because it wouldn't make sense.

What is this janitor fiasco you guys are referring to? I find it hard to keep up with all the going ons here.

>>716757
The rule isn't always enforced because it doesn't make sense, plain and simple.

It's a blanket ban that tries to accomplish something and fails at it.

>>716751
If he banned all streams then threads about new anime episodes should be banned because the shows get streamed.

>>716758
See >>712940 →, or >>714672 → more specifically, if you don't want to read the entire thread.

>>716763
Excellent, I will have a look at that.

>>716757
>/v/ gets an exception because they'd cry about it
Isn't that exactly the issue we have here? Janitors have the power to decide whether or not to enforce removals/bans/cleaning of threads of what they deem rule-breaking.

>>716761
Basically. It's not clear considering the next thing is that you can remove a thread on the pretense of possibly suggesting a company that may advertise. What people don't realize is you can subtly imply advertisement without blatantly saying the company name.

>>716761
A stream thread is obviously different than a thread about something that happens to be streamed (and everything is streamed by someone, somwhere).

>>716763
did moot ever make an announcement concerning his shit taste in janitors?

>>716769
If he did, it was likely in >>714750 →, and far more likely a half-ass answer with no definite position on the subject.

>>716768
How is it different? This is the problem with the rules, they are way too encompassing.

>>716771
This.
The rules are vague enough for anyone with the power to delete threads/ban people they don't like to hide behind them

>>716771
A dog could tell the difference. Stream threads generally refer to a particular streaming entity. Threads about new episodes refer to material which can be acquired in any number of ways.

>>716771
>>716782
Strict rules are even worse, they would turn 4chan into some forum.
One of main problems of current 4chan is obsession with rules. This site is supposed to be fun. One should rely mostly on common sense, not rules.

>>716784
>Acquired in a number of ways.
So E3 threads are allowed because it's acquirable multiple ways, so then a board like /sp/ should be able to flail around any sports game streams (although clearly illegal) because it's watchable on multiple sources, such as different cable companies or some extra service, right? Right?

In that case, r/a/dio follows this, too. I can listen at work on my phone or on my computer.

It goes both ways. Hell, we might as well ban people for posting any image or gif with product placement while were at it. It might upset a company.

>>716784
if you want to make that argument, then I'll make this argument:
r/a/dio streams are no different than livestream threads. Instead of watching a new episode together (or in some cases, just anime together), /a/ is listening to music together

r/a/dio gets banned but naruto threads are welcomes now with a janitor babysitting it.

>>715442
By this logic, let's get rid of draw threads, daily jap threads, any thread that's not about a certain episode/chapter as well why don't we?

>>716794
I wouldn't be surprised if there were people who want that.

>>716795
I've seen it mentioned to remove them from /a/ and send them to /ic/, /lang/, and so-on, so there are people who do want that. Janitor or not, who the fuck knows.

>>716794
it's worse than a janitor. It's actually a mod, and he doesnt do anything except babysit the naruto thread and clear the report queue while he leaves all the other shitposting threads untouched

>>716799
And I'm also going to add on:
He warned me for reporting a Naruto thread while it has all the obvious markings of a troll/shitposting thread (XD included)

>>716791
>so then a board like /sp/ should be able to flail around any sports game streams
Well, they should certainly be allowed to discuss sports games that are streamed elsewhere, because if they didn't, they wouldn't be allowed to talk about sports. The person I was talking to claimed that if you ban streams, you have to ban discussion of everything that is streamed.

>r/a/dio streams are no different than livestream threads.
Aren't those kill on sight also?

>>716799
I've got a brilliant idea.

Before they let someone be a mod for /a/ - a list of their watched anime/manga should be published (whether it's through a MAL account or otherwise) and only then will anons be able to vote the mod in.

This way mods in favor of nurutu will never be allowed to police /a/

>>716802
>Aren't those kill on sight also?
See >>716757
It's cherry-picking because somebody's feelings gets hurt if a thread that doesn't harm them (or anyone really, as it doesn't gain revenue) at all.

>The person I was talking to claimed that if you ban streams, you have to ban discussion of everything that is streamed.
I'm making an example of how vague things are defined and how any mod can cherry-pick based on mood and subjectivism towards how a board should or shouldn't be moderated despite what the minority or majority feels.

>>716804
I think that's a great idea actually. Before a new janitor is hired have them present themselves to the board with a tripcode on and answer questions in a sticky. After that they become anonymous like the others.

That would work well for other boards as well.

>>716802
Nope. livestream thread every time a new episode airs in Japan. We also had a Boku no Pico stream (about a month back?) that had maxed viewers

>>716804
Although the idea is a good idea, that's flawed in so many ways.
Mods aren't board specific; although you can fix that problem by making only /a/ have a certain set of mods
Another problem coming from the top of my head would be the possibility of blackmail if, for example the mod was stupid and left some personal info on his account which would lead to his real identity with a little bit of googling.

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>>716808
I agree with this sentiment. I don't think a link to MAL would be a good plan, simply because some of us have seen almost a thousand shows but haven't recorded which ones on socialblog faggotry like MAL.

However, something like the AnimeBytes application survey would be nice along with a presentation to the community. It gives mods/janitors a bit more accountability and visiblity.

>>716802
>Aren't those kill on sight also?

Not really. I don't think I've seen a livestream of a new episode from Jap TV (this includes commercials by the way) banned. Because it would be against common sense.

But technically they should be banned.

>>716812
moot has said that he generally wants moderation to be as invisible as possible. It's probably not going to happen.

>>716811
It works with all boards, you just need different descriptions / standards.

>>716811
That would be purely the mod's fault. It shouldn't be a problem if they prepare for it.

>>716816
> I don't think I've seen a livestream of a new episode from Jap TV
Doesn't this happen every fucking time a popular show airs? I know Valvrave had keyhole threads.

>>716819
You didn't let him finish his sentence.

>>716812
What's honestly the point? Is someone unfit to moderate /a/ if he's watched, like, five hundred magical girl shows and nothing else, or if he enjoys Shonen Jump?

>>716819
> I don't think I've seen a livestream of a new episode from Jap TV BANNED

Guess I could have written that better.

>>716816
Back when the discussion about steam threads were raging, some people were calling for banning those threads too, since they're technically "stream threads".

It just baffles me how incredibly inane both people like that and the rules themselves are.

>>716818
Invisible moderation has been fucking fantastic so far, hasn't it?

I doubt moot will change anything because he really doesn't care but the current mods are shit and don't know what they're doing.

>>716828
The only complaints I'm hearing are "they banned r/a/dio," which came directly from moot and he's not being fired any time soon, and "they're deleting threads that technically go in /jp/ except nobody wants to use /jp/ because its shit" where there's room for discussion.

>>716830
I don't know how they're the only complaints you've seen,just look at the /j/ fiasco.

>>716831
I thought you meant /a/ in particular. Oh, and "they won't let me spam dubs in Naruto threads."

>>716832
Naruto threads are just something they shouldn't bother fixing. Janitors could be put to better use doing something other than babysitting a thread about an incredibly popular series that's discussed to hell and back on loads of other sites.

well we are on the topic of how rule 11year old is flawed, what do we do about justicetime on /m/
100% nonprofit streaming of mecha animu and toku.
it helps the poorfags who can't afford to DL animu and toku because lol bandwidth but apparently thats a bad thing.
also Rule 11 technically makes threads like /m/'s SRW GC translation thread against the rules.
It also makes 90% of /vg/ against the rules along with any thread that links to other sites.


Rule 11 confirmed for worst rule.

>it didn't clutter the board
Yes it did, you fuck.
Because you faggots keep circlejerking all day in your "discussion" threads where you don't discuss anything to do with the songs playing.
The request thread made at midnight fills them all in like an hour. But apparently you must have your own dedicated thread where you discuss nothing all day long.

That's why I'm glad r/a/dio finally got singled out.

>>716923
I am actually for taking away all streams of any kind off 4chan, including justice time. Even the "good" streams shouldn't be treated as exceptions. Unless moot wants to make a broadcasting board.

And while I like the GC translation/editing effort, it's still just three or four guys bumping the thread incessantly while they work at a snail's pace. They could do everything on IRC or whatever, and put up periodic updates on a blog.

Rule 11 was pretty much made to crack down on streamshit and assorted referral bait and "giveaway" threads.

It shouldn't be on /a/ and it isn't allowed anyway. It's scarcely relevant to Anime and Manga - and by allowing one you basically give permission for every wannabe to start spamming his. First it's 'r/a/dio' then it's 'classy radio' then it's UNTZ or whatever shit and so on and so forth.

Just don't post it on /a/, pretty simple. There are lots of people who DON'T want it and report the threads. They are just less visible because they don't all shitpost in the threads (this is against the rules) and don't make threads on /a/ about how much they don't like it (also against the rules).

It doesn't need a topic on /a/, just let it be what it is. If you want to discuss anime music then make a topic about OSTs and BGMs.