That was back in 09, huh?

Those were the days.

>2009

jesus christ I just realized I've been here way too long

>>401906
>>401923
>2009
i've been here since 1999. 2009 marked my 10 years on 4chan.

>>401926
I remember booting up my Commodore 64 back in 83 and I would always dial in to 4chan, those were the good times

>>401944
Very good times

>That frizzy feel when you used downthemall to save EVERY SINGLE ONE of those colored Malcolm McDowell faces
I don't know what I'm going to do with them, but I can't bring myself to delete them.

moot ## Admin
02/03/13(Sun)06:02 No.403518

moot ## Admin 02/03/13(Sun)06:02 No.403518

Replies: >>403520 >>403521 >>403535 >>403576

4chan sure was great before CAPTCHA -- I really enjoyed how entire boards got completely wiped by spam every other day!!!!!!!

>>403518
Captcha didn't save /po/.

>>403518
It was pretty fun

>>403521
So you found the Kimmo shit, 4chan.js and pages of nothing but porn spam on the slower NSFW boards? I sure didn't.

moot ## Admin
02/03/13(Sun)06:11 No.403530

moot ## Admin 02/03/13(Sun)06:11 No.403530

Replies: >>403534 >>403541 >>403692

>>403526
>So you found the Kimmo shit, 4chan.js and pages of nothing but porn spam on the slower NSFW boards? I sure didn't.
Don't engage the newfriend, Anon.

>>403530
Ah shit called a newfriend by moot, that isn't the case, but still quite funny.

>>403518
Shut up you fucking new fag I bet you were not even around for that trip fag

>>403526
I wasn't going to reply because I wasn't completely serious, but after >>403530 I guess I will.

I honestly didn't really mind the spam, and half the time I thought it was kind of funny. It is possible to browse and not let yourself get to worked up over nothing.

>>403541
It became impossible to browse.

>>403544
iichan and 7chan have always been good to me, and it really didn't. I do recall a few boards being completely filled with advertisements and fake links but you could always go elsewhere for stuff.

>>403546
Sorry, been drinking so I guess that first bit might not make sense. What I meant to say is that no one forced you to sit there and stare at spam, you could always go elsewhere like iichan or 7chan.

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>>403547
>Spam didn't ruin the board you could always abandon the board for boards without spam.

>>403549
Oh no it was temporarily unbrowsable, the internet was slower as a whole.

moot ## Admin
02/03/13(Sun)06:36 No.403552

moot ## Admin 02/03/13(Sun)06:36 No.403552

Replies: >>403557 >>403559 >>403560 >>403641

>>403549
Seriously, what?

>IT WAS A TRAINWRECK BUT YOU COULD LOOK AWAY!

>>403552
The community on /b/ was dumb enough to mass download a spambot that reposted black boxes you really should have come down on them.

>>403546
>iichan
Heh.
https://www.4chan.org/flash?file=complaining.swf&title=Complaining

>>403552
But you can just look away.
Also mootles you locked my thread with out telling me why 4chan doesn't have a edit function.

>>403552
I guess I was just used to the site being a trainwreck so I just didn't care. I'm not really sure how to explain it I guess, maybe its just that I browsed so many 4chan boards and other imageboards, at any one time, that one being spammed really didn't matter. Oh well, I'm not sure why I didn't really give a shit about spam but thats just how it is. I've honestly found failing Captchas to cause me more of an issue now than spam ever did.

>>403559
Proofread your posts before you submit them. It's not hard. There's no rush.

moot ## Admin
02/03/13(Sun)06:45 No.403564

moot ## Admin 02/03/13(Sun)06:45 No.403564

Replies: >>403567 >>403577 >>403578 >>403594 >>403641 >>403644 >>403702 >>403762 >>403856

>>403558
I love these old Flashes.

I should just overdub this with a guy screaming "JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" over and over again to update it for the times. At least people were more inventive with their insults back in the day.

>>403558
I love how 5chan follows the iichan bit, I remember going from 5chan to 4chan at some point, I think it was mostly for hentai though.

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>>403557

Most boards are filled with retards. /v/ learned that the hard way not too long ago. You'd be surprised how easily shit spreads.

http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/152340737/

>>403564
It's your fault for not keeping stormcrap from this place.

You were at least doing decently until some days ago where you blew it on /pol/

Also seeing you're active now, I'd like you to answer this since it's not worth a thread: Why the Captcha misses much more since passes? And don't dare to say it doesn't because it fucking does.

>>403567
This has been answered lots of times before. Because Google said so. 4chan has no control over ReCAPTCHA.

>>403518
Honestly, I loved the spam. It's not like I come to 4chan for intelligent discussion. Spam is hilarious, seeing people rage over it was hilarious. I miss the front page of /tv/ being filled with automated bot-spam like miliefag and the star trek dumper. I miss 98 posts of rolling bear. I miss Abatap flooding the board with :3

;_;

>>403564

>At least people were more inventive with their insults back in the day

Right? Every year it just gets lazier and lazier.

>>403564

You should just give 15 minute bans for every common insult word, make people really dig into their war chests.

>>403578
You're just browsing the wrong boards, theres some cutting edge shit being produced on the real deal boards.

OP here, I should probably add the broken ssl images were fixed 5 minutes after I started this thread.

>>403546
The problem wasn't just that the boards were filled with spam, the servers themselves were overloaded and even browsing the spam became impossible.

>>403586
Truly the golden age of 4chan.

>>403564
Hey fag sack I'm going to shove my dick up your Jew ass and make a jagsicle

Why has the last ten or so posts from moot been him complaining about people calling him a jew? Has he finally lost it

>>403619
Yeah, I think we pushed him over the deep end.

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The interesting thing is moot claims captcha stopped the spam, but accel spammer for example happened after recaptcha.

People who wish to spam can just buy from captcha solving services like decaptcher or deathbycaptcha. $1.39/1000 solves.

http://www.deathbycaptcha.com/

Furthermore look at how any other site uses captcha. Instead of every single post made needing a captcha they simply use cookies to remember you and only have you type a captcha on registration. Google themselves only give captchas when registering if you fail a few times first.

The pay2post system is really just an account registration, which could be opened to people for free like on every other site on the internet. Of course that wouldn't make tons of shekels so that is why a solution for free users to avoid captcha is not created.

People call you a Jew because you are, moot. Not only is it incredibly greedy to force captcha on every user for every post made--unless they pay--but you also lie about the reasoning for it and the efficacy of it.

Don't believe moot's lies. When someone makes hundreds or even thousands of posts over weeks or months, none of which are spam, and without clearing cookies or changing IP address, at some point you have to admit they already know that person is human and are just giving the captcha to annoy them into paying.

>>403636
>$1.39/1000
That's more expensive than what spammers earn from 1000 posts, apparently.

>>402268
Upload them and post them here.


What was the name of this raid?

>>403576

It was funny indeed, besides, there was a point where you memorized them and skipped them as soon as you saw the first word.


But well, that was another era, it's better to leave it as a fond memory than bring it back.

>>403552
B-but what could we do back then? It was easier just to ignore it.

>>403564
moot why do you want to make a forced meme

>>403564
I'll do it

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>>403639
Much of the worst spam was from people just trolling. Someone like accel spammer would pay it.

The truth of the matter is what stopped spam is better filtering, better spam detection, and better moderation. Without these no captcha is truly effective.

And there is never any excuse for giving captcha constantly to every user. It's like saying "are you still human?", "how about now?", "have you turned into a bot magically?", "this time?", "what about this time?", etc.

Captcha is just one tool in the toolbox for stopping spam, and it's not an instrument to be used always on people you already know for certain are human.

After a reasonable time delay and reasonable amount of posts there's simply no excuse to still be giving a recognized user CAPTCHA. You could even include email verification to add extra burden to attempted spammers, and blacklist email domains that are problematic. That is overboard and unnecessary, but it just reinforces the point of how completely false it is to claim that paying money is the only way to avoid spam.

There are millions of sites on the internet where you can post comments. There are only a few that pretend they need you to pay for an account to post (4chan and SA come to mind).

Of course moot will always lie and never admit there are solutions for letting people post captcha free without making them cough up shekels because now it has become a source of income for him.

>>403641
>What was the name of this raid?

Name? It didn't have one, it was just something some asshole did for no reason. It happened quite a lot

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>>403649

>There are only a few that pretend they need you to pay for an account to post (4chan and SA come to mind).

Yes but there is a difference between the two. I don't recall m00t every using captcha revenue to hire asian whores to come live with him so he can smell their feet on a nightly basis. And as far as memory serves he never tried to push mangosteens on /b/. m00t isn't Lowtax, it's not fair to lump them together. It's not even apples to apples or apples to oranges. It's apples to a foot fetishist fruit peddler.

There is another major difference. If you want to post at something like SA you have to pay. You can't use the boards for free there in any form whatsoever. Here you can pay if you want but even if you don't you still have the ability to post wherever you want. That's a fundamental difference. It's the difference between a primary feature and a secondary service.

>>403644
Done: >>>/f/1875546

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>>403530
just at what point exactly did you lose all your sense of fun and become a permabutthurt faggot?

>>403661
4chan is obviously way better than SA and I'm not saying moot is a terrible person. I don't even know anything about lowtax because his shitty site doesn't interest me.

I was trying to illustrate the point that captcha was a quick bandaid that should eventually have been developed into a more reasonable system that allowed 90% of users to post without captcha for free. However now it has morphed into a horrible moneymaking scheme that will prevent any work being put into any site improvements in that regard.

I really wish moot had come up with a more reasonable and positive way for people to support the site, instead of collectively punishing everyone and letting people pay to avoid the punishment.

>>403564
It's kinda as >>403567 said.

/pol/ is leaking, and has been for months.

moot pls call a plumber

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>>403699
And by "support the site" I actually mean "line moots pockets with money", because ads already pay all the costs.

I have no problem with capitalism or people getting rich, I just take issue with the way moot is doing it, the way he pretends it's actually altruism on his part motivated by concern for fighting spam rather than obvious profit motivation, and the way so many gibbering retards fall for his talking points.

>>403704
The idea for the passes actually came from /q/ with this thread: http://archive.foolz.us/q/thread/10222
At least, I think it was that one.

Why are you so convinced that adverts pay for 4chan, anyway? It's a very large site with pretty much 1 constant advertiser.

>>403559
It's been answered before. The merits of the idea aside, it's impossible to do it with 4chan's setup.

Notice how when the mods/moot want to change a sticky, they have to delete the current one, and replace it.

>>403636
But how many CAPTCHAs do you have to do before you're in the clear? 10? 20? 100? I can make that many posts saying "lol" on /b/ in a few minutes, and then start the spam train all over again.

Also, you forget, there was CAPTCHA with no way around it, period for something like two years.

Tell me, what was the point of that? Let me guess, moot was "planning," wasn't he?

>>>/f/1875546

Incidentally, I missed the CAPTCHA twice when posting this. But, instead of claiming moot was in with Bibi Netanyahu trying to steal my money, I realized that I hadn't been paying much attention to the two words. If this goes through, you can assume that paying attention worked.

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>>403702
Yeah /q/, /pol/ is leaking, sure fucking thing.

>>403564
you're the first one to mention Jews in this thread so far dumbass. I don't know why you feel the need to respond to people calling you a Jew to begin with. and besides, people aren't saying THE Jews are behind anything. they just think YOU are Jewing it up with the 4chan passes.

>>403760
To be fair, with the RAID threads /pol/ had this morning, false flag or not, one could think they were.

If that had been on /b/, or /a/, or /mlp/, you can see why people would think there was a raid. Now, while I don't think da joos did it as a false flag, I could believe that some mischievous /pol/lack did it to stir up controversy.

Incidentally, I think that when people say /pol/ will get deleted they show the world either their lack of brains, or of memory. After what happened after /n/, and after /new/, moot wouldn't dare too. Heck, except for maybe /b/, /pol/ is probably the least likely to be deleted.

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>>403750
>But how many CAPTCHAs do you have to do before you're in the clear? 10? 20? 100? I can make that many posts saying "lol" on /b/ in a few minutes, and then start the spam train all over again.
Any and all of these retarded excuses you dream up can easily be handled. As I mentioned a combination of TIMEFRAME and posts would need to be used. You ignored timeframe because obviously deep down inside despite your desire to white knight for moot you know I am right.

If it takes days, weeks, or even months to get your cookie+ip combination to be green flagged but only a few moments to get it revoked it's not a viable avenue for spamming. At that point people would be more likely to pay decaptcher. Actually even in the scenario you give people would have to pay decaptcher to try and get their bot green flagged in the first place because what you are suggesting is no less labor intensive than just spamming manually.

Instead of manually trying to get a bot green flagged they would, guess what, just manually spam. That's not hard to figure out.

You could also exclude /b/ if that's a problem somehow.

Again, there's no reasonable excuse whatsoever for not having an intelligent system that green flags the posters who are obviously human. Your objections to this are dismally retarded.

>Also, you forget, there was CAPTCHA with no way around it, period for something like two years.

>Tell me, what was the point of that? Let me guess, moot was "planning," wasn't he?

That was just laziness. Then moot went and got a developer to do some work... on making a pay2post system instead of improving the anti-spam for everyone instead of just paying users.

Now there is no longer any excuse other than greed.

>>403772
>but only a few moments to get it revoked it's not a viable avenue for spamming
And tell me, who will catch them? (Are you really going to fall into my trap, anon? Really?)

>pay2post
No, it's pay to remove CAPTCHA. Anyone can post without it. I don't have a pass myself, and the CAPTCHA isn't a problem.

Also, if it really, really, deep down bothers you, I can personally promise you that you won't be missed if you left. We've had many threads discussing this before, one of which was actually stickied for a month or so. It isn't going to change, I'm afraid. The door is over there.

>>403779
>And tell me, who will catch them? (Are you really going to fall into my trap, anon? Really?)
If someone gets a post deleted by a janitor or mod, they would reset to zero trustworthiness and start getting captchas again. It's very simple and once such a system was in place would not require any more manual labour than is already put into the site.

What trap?

>It isn't going to change, I'm afraid.

I know it's not going to change, because it's a revenue source for moot. Now he has financial incentive to not improve it.

>>403798
Because we totally have enough mods and janitors to deal with the current rule violations, let alone spam.

Also, have fun with the people yelling that because one post they made got deleted, they have to get CAPTCHAs for another 6 months. We already have enough shit-fests over janitors deleting posts, think what this would do.

I have to run now. If you still want to argue, I'll see you in a few hours.

Ta-ta.

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>>403807
Wow, you are delving new depths of stupidity for the 4chan gold defence force.

If they can't moderate spam how would they stop pay2post users from spamming once their captcha is gone? How do they prevent people from spamming with a captcha solving service like decaptcher? How do they prevent people from manually spamming?

The simple fact of the matter is the system I am describing _can not be abused_. It would take more manual work (or paid captcha solutions) to get your account green flagged than it would to just spam directly. There's no vector for abusing it.

If you are going to continue posting please describe in detail how you think someone with a bot would abuse this hypothetical system.

The simple fact is that you have to make 'x' captcha posts to fire up a once per 30 second spambot that can make an average of <'x' posts before it receives moderator action, it's a losing proposition for anyone who wants to spam. They would just use the captcha solutions they wasted making legitimate posts making spam posts instead.

>>403564
That would be funny, if only for the voice clip of you screaming JJJJJEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

>>403845
Or to simplify, as I think I have confused this dunce with too many words:

'x' is the number of posts you must make with captcha before being whitelisted
'y' is the average number of spam posts you can make before being moderated

If 'x' is greater than 'y', then spammers can't use the whitelist system to their advantage.

>>403653
I think it had a name actually. (I collect those picture, I have some about 4chan.js and DNS weekend)

>>403692
Since /q/ happened I guess.

Or...perhaps he was always like that, ut since he was like a ghost who only appeared once per month we idealized his image?

>>403750
What, multiple stickies have been a thing since forever, anyone remember DSFARGEG?

>>403760
Nice, I'm using this image as an example to illuminate Social Justice activist about the "lol, niggers" culture.

>>403976
>What, multiple stickies have been a thing since forever, anyone remember DSFARGEG?

That's not what he's saying. He's saying that if something in a sticky needs to be changed then they have to delete and remake it because 4chan doesn't support editing.

moot ## Admin
02/03/13(Sun)13:51 No.404160

moot ## Admin 02/03/13(Sun)13:51 No.404160

Replies: >>404174 >>404183 >>404186 >>404196 >>404265

>>403619
See
>>403636
>>403649
Because it's all /q/ is good for, at this point.

>>403649
>The truth of the matter is what stopped spam is better filtering, better spam detection, and better moderation.
Wrong. reCAPTCHA stopped the bulk of automatic postig, period. All of those other things were already in place before CAPTCHA, and weren't effective. We tried for months to find a non-CAPTCHA solution (hence my global message). The fact is, CAPTCHA is effective at stopping 99% of automated posting, and the only spam that gets through at this point is either done by hand, or by cached CAPTCHA solves. The difference is night and day. Anybody who actually used 4chan prior to 2010 knows this (read: very few people at this point).

>>403688
>my sides
Oh my God -- time to update /flash.

>>403710
Don't link to the /q/ Pass threads. They all think I posted those myself. Redpill, etc.

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>>404160
And yet you completely dodged the fact that captcha doesn't need to be given to all non-paying people 100% of the time.

See: >>403882 >>403845

At this point you are just Jewing.

moot ## Admin
02/03/13(Sun)13:58 No.404182

moot ## Admin 02/03/13(Sun)13:58 No.404182

Replies: >>404187 >>404202 >>404265

>>404174
>At this point you are just Jewing.
JEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the social commentary, Anon. It really enhances your position.

>>404160
moot plz mercy kill /q/, or at the very least make a new sticky stating what this board is for.

>>404160
Do you really think that so many users from pre-2010 have left? I don't see why they would. Perhaps the flood of new users has just increased by that much.

>>404182

>completely avoid the point and focus on petty name calling

moot has anyone ever told you that you're not a very good poster?

You guys really need to STFU with all this MOOT IS A FUCKING JEW crap.

It's really fucking tiresome to see it in here every single day in nearly every single thread.

>inb4 put your capcode back on moot

I'm not moot samefagging but if I was moot I'd shut the whole fucking site down and see how you like your precious 4chan when it doesn't exist any more.

>>404188

Put your capcode back on moot, you're not fooling anybody.

moot ## Admin
02/03/13(Sun)14:03 No.404195

moot ## Admin 02/03/13(Sun)14:03 No.404195

Replies: >>404217 >>404265

>>404187
>>404191
Please be a troll.

>>404186
I imagine 4chan has lost a bulk of its old users.

>>404160
>it's all /q/ is good for, at this point.
I'd say shut it down, but I honestly don't want the filth worming over to my home boards.

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>>404182
>Jeeews!

No, moot, not plural. Singular. You.

You are behaving greedily and deceptively.

All you did was completely dodged the point. Recaptcha is valuable at stopping bots like the 4chan.js that aren't backed by the ability to bypass recaptcha. That is true. Nobody denied that.

But what is not purposeful in any way--except to extract money--is to give recognized users continuous captchas with 100% of the posts they make... unless they pay up.

There's no way that a whitelisting system as described here: >>403882 could possibly be abused. It's very simple maths. Such a system would make the user experience far better, but now that you have financial incentive not to implement it will never be used.

>>404202
Most of the old spambots were infected 4chan users. This system will be ineffective.

>>404207
None of which had the ability to steal user cookies, or steal their user agent.

Don't post if you have no idea of the technical side of this.

>>404191
If I was moot samefagging I'd use a better proxy than TalkTalk in South Yorkshire for fuck sake.
Also >>404195
I am an old user. That's why I post on /q/ because I actually care about the site that's been a big part of my online life.

>>404202
>You are behaving greedily and deceptively.
That's an opinion, but I'll bite.

So, why Jew? The most greedy and deceptive people on the planet for all of written history has been Christians. These are people who demand you tithe and then use the money to build golden palaces for a god who doesn't need them.

Why aren't you calling him a Christian?

>>404211
The spambots were executing on Windows machines. They could do whatever they damn well pleased.

>>404225
No, they could only execute a script that had limited access to anything.

Again, don't post if you have no clue of the technical side of this.

>>404211
Also, are you proposing that moot tries to keep a database of the IP, user-agent and unique cookie for everyone using 4chan?

That sounds like server suicide.

Face it, you're just lazy and cheap.

>>404229
>limited access
>HTA script on Windows
Don't make me fucking laugh. People were downloading arbitrary code and running it on their machines so they could "shit brix lolol".

The bulk of 4chan users are dumb as dirt, and nothing but a verified human test with every post will stop pranksters from wreaking havoc with the boards.

what happened to the surgeon ?

>>404202
Yeah then you just have someone who's getting paid post a few good posts a day on ten different ips while a spam bot goes in and posts one spam a day on each.
Also, dynamic ips, deleted cookies, and bandwidth.

>>404230
You mean like pretty much every website in existence does?

>>404238
No, an HTA script can't intercept traffic to determine the cookies and browser user agent being used. It could possibly be used as a loader for more malicious code but that isn't a problem with the script that was spread on 4chan.

Anyway 4changold accounts create this same "vulnerability" if you can call it that. Paying users can be infected just as easily as anyone else. However people writing that sort of sophisticated malware are not doing it to spam 4chan. The problem was caused by a very rudimentary script with limited capabilities.

>>404256
Holy fucking shit, you are dumb.

If they were paying to post they would just use decaptcher and integrate captcha solving into their bot directly. Try reading.

There is _NO WAY_ a whitelisting feature for known users could be abused. Period. None. Spammers would be wasting their time making legitimate posts. See: >>403882

It's very simple maths. Very, very, very simple maths.

>>404195
>>404182
>>404160
Hey moot, CAN you record yourself yelling JEEEEEEWWWWWWSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
?
It'd be fun.

>>404257
>You mean like pretty much every website in existence does?
"every website" is not as large as 4chan. "every website" is typically run for profit.

>No, an HTA script can't intercept traffic to determine the cookies and browser user agent being used.
It can read browser information as easily as it stole Steam passwords and personal photos.


>Paying users can be infected just as easily as anyone else.
Yes, and they can be out $20. Also, they make up a very small proportion of the total userbase. No critical mass.

>>404262

Until you become a "known user" and then start up the spambot, which is exactly what we did to Kimmo. The "average number of spam posts before being moderated" makes absolutely no sense. If no mods are on, which, let's face it, they're usually not, you can make thousands of spam posts before being banned.

Basically, you're giving shitposters a chance to automatically shitpost once they're bored of manually shitposting.

>>404262
For every legitimate post, you're letting in one potential spam post that requires human consideration and moderation.

Considering the scale of 4chan, it's far easier to just implement a captcha on every post.

>>404267
And 4chan is a charity?

The fact that moot made 4changold accounts instead of open registration or transparent whitelisting for free shows you 4chan is for profit too.

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>>404274
>4chan gold

>>404274
>He implemented something that's effective in stopping spam, instead of two "solutions" that do nothing! Waaah!

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>>404202
>There's no way that a whitelisting system as described here: >>403882 could possibly be abused.

Are you kidding? That would create even MORE spam. Except it would be useless posts with garbage like 'lol gud post OP!" posted x amount of times because it takes x amount of posts to have the Captcha removed for a user.
From that point a Captcha-less user would be free to spam adverts.

>>404270
You don't even need moderators, you could start giving people a captcha again if a single post from them is deleted by janitors.

People already can make automated posts for $1.38/1000 posts if they really want to. Nobody does.

>>404272

That's moronic. No spammer is going to make 'x' legitimate posts to get <'x' spam posts in return. It's a losing investment.

They will just use their captcha solves on directly spamming.

>>404288
>They will just use their captcha solves on directly spamming.
Right, and then for every spam post they make which slips by the radar, you're giving them an additional spam post for free.

Please think about these things before wasting everyone's time.

>>404262
if"decaptcher" services were half as good as you think than there would be lots more posts than you think.
And if you think companies don't pay for people on the marketing department too go out and spam manually, you haven't been in the business side point enough.
Hell even the company i work for does it and they're a roofing company. They go on sites like linkedin to find people who own/maintenance buildings and advertise on those profiles. Now imagine a video game or anime company. 4chan would be the perfect area and you pay by post. 5 cents a post under a "data entry" title.

Is a genuine form if cheap marketing. You screencap your post, or if you're using links you give unique links to each person andpay by how many people access it. Itseasy and cheap, and people are always gonna belooking for jobs they can do at home.

>>404286
Again, this is very simple math.

See: >>403882

Why would someone solve captchas to make, for example 1000 posts saying 'lol gud post OP!', when in return they get for example 500 spam posts once captcha is removed? Then they are at a -500 post deficit.

They would just use the 1000 captcha solutions to spam directly.

>>404274
>4changold accounts
lol no ...

Buying a Pass doesn't get you special privileges. It just allows you to post and report without having to enter a Captcha. That's it.

You're not paying to post. You're not getting extra boards. You're not allowed to violate the rules.

It's not an "account" and it's not a "VIP membership".

>>404299
>They would just use the 1000 captcha solutions to spam directly.
And 100 of those slip by unnoticed, and they get 100 more free spam posts.

>>404296
What the hell are you smoking? This is not a proposal where for every one post you make with captcha you get one post without captcha.

This is a system where after a certain number of unmoderated posts over a certain duration you get put on a whitelist. People who spam would get ZERO posts without captcha, because they would get moderation action before ever reaching whitelist status.

>>404305
See: >>404307

You're a dunce.

>>404299
And that's true. But reCaptcha persuades then to go to other places where its easier to post like forums and social networks. It not only blocks thebots but it also deters the manual spammers who can just accomplish the same elsewhere

>>404307
>People who spam would get ZERO posts without captcha, because they would get moderation action before ever reaching whitelist status.
Again, relying on human moderators. If the mod's asleep, the spammers can make enough CAPTCHA posts to get whitelisted, and then run wild.

You're trying to solve a fundamentally unsolvable problem.

>>404297
Decaptcher and equivalent services work perfectly. They are solved by humans.

>>404307
> i prefer funimation over bandai
> why was I blacklisted moot i never spammed?

So, why doesn't moot just do one of his little impromptu camwhoring sessions, and post a picture of himself doing the "greedy jew" pose?

Why?

C'mon, moot, give us all a laugh.

>>404318
Didn't that already happen?

Actually, there's an even worse possibility.

This plan goes through, a lot of people are whitelisted, the occasional spammer goes nuts.

And then the next 4chan.js rolls around, turning a lot of stupid users' (and we have no shortage of those) computers into spammers. And these guys are whitelisted.

Suddenly, every single board is drowned in an avalanche of botnet spam, just as if we had no CAPTCHA to begin with.

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And of course moot is done posting here because he got backed into a corner.

Next time the topic comes up he will just go "lol yu don't rmember spam tiem! yu newfag!" instead of addressing the fact that a sensible whitelisting system could easily allow the majority of 4chan users to post without a captcha for free.

>>404318
Why dangle the steak in front of the hungry piranhas?

>>404325
Something that would easily be nipped in the bud by clearing the whitelist.

>>404329
I'm pretty sure he's done posting here because this is his fucking site and he doesn't need a bunch of idiots telling him how to run it.

It's his to run.
It's his to ruin.

Repeating yourself over and over again is called "spam" and is against the rules. You've given your idea, now let it go. Stop repeating it, spammer.

>>404334

And then /q/ gets flooded by angry users going "Why the fuck am I seeing CAPTCHAs, I was never part of this fucking botnet, you really want me to buy a pass don't you jew"

>>404334
If you have too constantly maintenance and clear it what's the point?
Its just more work.

Yours have to assign a team to it. And all they have to do is time out when mods sleep, spam then, and they get positive points on your whitelist, cause its either the mods blacklist them, the mods rate posts (retarded) it its a user based rating system (yeah no)

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If virus infected users are a problem, a virus could just steal solved captchas to make a post and give the user a captcha failed response.

Claiming viruses are an excuse not to implement whitelisting is bullshit.

Complete, total bullshit.

>>404350
>If virus infected users are a problem, a virus could just steal solved captchas to make a post and give the user a captcha failed response.

If this was feasible, they'd already be doing it.

>>404340
He's done posting here because he got backed into a corner. There's no way to justify paying to bypass captcha instead of a free system, and there's no way he can continue his "JEEEEWWS!" ad hominem.

>>404342
So people would be happier getting 100% captchas all the time rather than sometimes not getting captchas? That's moronic. Stop being a moron.

>>404347
>constantly

This would never actually happen it's just an example of how INCREDIBLY SIMPLE all these supposed doomsday imaginary delusional scenarios would be to deal with.

>>404353
It's equally feasible to stealing someone's whitelist status. If you say one isn't feasible, the other also isn't.

There's no difference in complexity or degree of infection needed to accomplish both.

>>404354
>>404358

You really haven't the faintest idea how either computers or people work, do you?

People get very, very raged when you give them something to work towards ("Make all these shitty, one-line posts and get whitelisted!") and then take it away unexpectedly for something that they, personally, didn't do.

And "stealing someone's whitelist status" (making posts as them) is exactly what 4chan.js did and is very basic for a botnet. Stealing someone's CAPTCHA solves is a completely different affair, much harder if possible at all, and alerts the user that something is up.

I'm leaving for the same reason Moot did: I don't have time for you.

>>404354
Yeah you don't see how people would explode at seeing reCaptcha? They already overdo it, and then they'd fell justified by saying "but I'm a good poster you stupid Jew stop trying to make us buy your stupid pass".

And also the list of people blacklisted would grow everyday. Mention an anime company to many times. Or a video game. people already complain about bans for advertising. With your system this would also increase moderation to prevent these spammers who tiptoe around there rules "does anyone know how to x in y" for video game threads just to get people talking about it and lets face it, when a game seems popular people buy it like sheep. The increase in moderation would increase people claiming false bans.

>>404354
He's backed into a corner, but not in the way you think.

You (collectively) haven't defeated him with your superior logic or whatever else have you, you've given him no space to speak by inundating him with "4CHAN PASS A SHIT MOOT IS THE JEWIEST JEW TO EVER JEW JEW JEWS JEWISH CONSPIRACY JUDAISM I KNOW HOW TO RUN THIS SITE BETTER THAN J00T DID I SAY YET HOW MUCH I HATE JEWS (repeat ad infinitum)"

>>404377
I obviously know more about computers and programming than you.

>And "stealing someone's whitelist status" (making posts as them) is exactly what 4chan.js did and is very basic for a botnet.

No, that's not at all what it did. It used microsoft activex to make posts. It didn't steal cookies, and it didn't sniff the user agent of the user's browser. It was very rudimentary.

Any virus that had the capability to steal cookies and sniff the user agent would be equally capable of intercepting a captcha solution and returning a false error.

>People get very, very raged when you give them something to work towards ("Make all these shitty, one-line posts and get whitelisted!")

So don't tell people, and have it more based on timeframe than post count. People would be in a better situation by having a chance of not having a captcha without paying than a guaranteed captcha unless they fork over cash. No matter how you try to squirm, that it is a fact.

>>404388
There wouldn't need to be any increase in moderation. Moderation and janitor work would be exactly the same. There would be a small amount of work implementing such a system and it would be transparently tied to moderator actions. About the same amount of work it took to implement the 4changold accounts.

People would already get used to having the captcha resurface occasionally when their IP or cookies changed. They really wouldn't notice or care too much because the system would be a clearly better alternative: sometimes no captcha, vs 100% always captcha.

>>404406
No, I definitely defeated him with logic when I challenged him to respond to this post here: >>403882

It's very simple irrefutable maths. Nobody can refute this. There's no way to abuse a whitelist system that is properly configured.

>>404416
You didn't defeat him because your idea didn't get implemented.

Unless you want to redefine "victory".

At this point you're just beating a dead horse with another dead horse while several other dead horses watch.

You've defeated nobody but yourself.

>>404409
You still have the whiners who would explode.
But lets put aside peoples reactions as such a subjective matter can only be put into perspective through a testing phase.

How would you define a good post from a bad. How would you be able to whitelist people without it being easily manipulated?
Would it be post count? In which case you just have one fit reach that post count on multiple ips then set a bot on the faster boards when moderation tends to be at it lowest.
Or would it be a rating system? In which case out creates more work by having mods rate individual posts. And if users people will just use it to constantly
Opinions they don't like having to go through recaptcha so they can make their opinion stand out, so only one per every hundred posters out so would be able to maintain the status?

moot ## Admin
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moot ## Admin 02/03/13(Sun)15:25 No.404434

>>404354
>ad hominem
>me
>not you
>my sides

>>404406
>You (collectively) haven't defeated him with your superior logic or whatever else have you, you've given him no space to speak by inundating him with "4CHAN PASS A SHIT MOOT IS THE JEWIEST JEW TO EVER JEW JEW JEWS JEWISH CONSPIRACY JUDAISM I KNOW HOW TO RUN THIS SITE BETTER THAN J00T DID I SAY YET HOW MUCH I HATE JEWS (repeat ad infinitum)"

>>404416
>There's no way to abuse
Stopped reading right here, because if you think something can't be abused, you're a fucking moron.