Am I the only one here that thinks this retarded rivalry needs to end? Wordfilters, public bans, whatever it takes. History has shown picking fights with outside communities has done nothing but harm for the state of 4chan. It's what killed /b/, /v/, and what's going to kill /a/ if something isn't done. God knows it isn't helping the vendetta /v/ has on anything Japanese lately either.Moderator Reply: >>8297
All I can say is the edgy anti-Japan teens on /v/ started it.
Board-tans are gay as a whole.
>>7326Its a healthy rivalry.
it's simply because of some anime that /v/ love and /a/ hate.if /a/ stopped being fucking hipsters, /v/ would have no problem with them.Every Bebop thread on /a/ get's told to go back to /v/.
>>7333>>7333>>7333>>7333>>7333>>7333/v/ermin here, this so true it hurts. Fucking retards calling everything slightly japanese weeaboo pedo shit.
>>7387/v/ermin detected. We don't hate Bebop, we hate YOU because every time you come to /a/ you don't want to discuss your anime, you want to whine about moeshit and modern anime and how it doesn't cater to your tastes like the tiny handful of stuff Toonami aired. Fuck you.
>>7387There's nothing left to discuss about Bebop, a thread about it is just a waste of space.
>>7437You have no way of knowing if it's really some /v/irgin posting that. You're just blaming shitposts on them.
>>7326It's 2 opinion based boards who shit up their own board with their elitist wannabe hipster opinions thinking what they like is better and everything else is shit.Naturally the boards interests overlap and since they probably have the lowest level of "maturity" (after /b/, of course) you have this bullshit.Unless you don't change the userbase this will not end.
Why do boards have rivalries anyway? I go to both /a/ and /v/, sticking to one board and having some kind of allegiance to it is dumb as hell. I think the best approach is encouraging indifference rather than telling people to get along.Also, you could debate for days what "killed" different boards. The general consensus, however, seems to be that they just move too fast.
>>7469It tends to get lumped together because those are the same kinds of posts you see in anime threads on /v/. Sure that specific poster might not be, but the majority are because that mindset certainly isn't native to /a/.
/a/ has just been getting more spiteful and pessimistic as the days go on. Even /co/ hates them now.
Is it really a big issue? Granted, I don't go on /v/ and our "friendly rivalry" has devolved to 'go back to /v/' status, but I never see a ton of posts about it.I think /v/ posters get offended when they come to /a/ and post about an old, "entry-level" series and get told off, but that's only because we have literally seen hundreds of the same exact threads with no original questions/thoughts for discussion.
>>7326What rivalry? All this /a/ and /v/ shit seems only to bother the weeaboos, I've never noticed it interfering with good /v/ threads about quality video games.
/a/ vs /v/ is not a big deal on /a/ honestly, I do not frequent /v/ very often though so I do not know about that side it. It's all about how you behave on the board though, if you come on /a/ and don't follow the set "rules" then expect to be rediculed or atleast get mad responses. You are the visitors after all, you are suppoused to follow OUR rules, you wouldn't barge into someones house and do what ever you please, now would you?
>>7522>Even /co/ hates them now.Thats what they want.
One of the biggest problems. /v/ extreme paranoia for HURR MOESHIT IS THE CANCER KILLING ANIME and all that kind of stuff. The same applies to /a/, their extreme paranoia for HURR /V/ ONLY LIKES MANLY ANIME FOR MANLY PEOPLE SUCH AS THEMSELVES This is the cancer killing everything and what should just end.>>7522>Even /co/ hates them now./co/ has no right to talk about the state of any board considering they are Tumblr and Feminism central right now.
/a/'s problem is that they think they're a secret clubhouse and all of their posters try harder to fit in with the shitposters.No one thinks /a/ is a good board but /a/. maybe /c/ too, I don't know anything about them though.
some people on /v/ are just mad that we on /a/ discussed their nostalgia Anime years ago to death.
>>7522If /a/ can get as spiteful and pessimistic as /jp/ was before it was shitposter central, then that would be fantastic.It works extremely well when preventing idiots from posting or even coming to the board. I can't imagine how shitty /a/ would get if it was as open as /co/ is.
>>7488>sticking to one board and having some kind of allegiance to it is dumb as hellAmong boards with large userbases, this sadly isn't as common as it should be. They tend to think of themselves as a stand alone community. When they want to talk about a topic that might not be related to /a/, they'll ask it there anyway, because they want the opinion of other /a/nons and not just whoever is on /g/ or /v/ or what have you.
Waifuism killed /a/.
>>7539Hmm I guessI'm just curious why there's so many /a/ white knights in /co/ and /v/. For all the hate /a/ spouts ya think they wouldn't bother to browse the boards they hate.
>>7469They almost always start their threads with "/v/ here". You'd be right if they just couldn't help themselves./a/ doesn't care about people who come from /v/, they care about people who are /b 2.0/. There's a big difference and really it's a non-issue.
>>7563Waifus are much more of a /jp/ concept than an /a/ one to begin with, I don't see why it isn't just forced out already.
I hate how discussing anything remotely Japanese related or with a Japanese artstyle on /v/ is practically impossible now.And /v/ problem with /a/ is mostly because they don't want to discuss the same 10 shows they watched during their childhood and get butthurt because /a/ prefers to talk about the currently ongoing anime instead of those.
>>7553spiteful =/= elistist, things are going to go downhill from here regardless
>>7582/a/ is much worse than /jp/ with waifu shit.>>7594Your hypocrisy is hilarious.
>>7594>I hate how discussing anything remotely Japanese related or with a Japanese artstyle on /v/ is practically impossible now.It's /v/ culture, it'd be like bitching about how you can't discuss toonami or naruto in /a/Deal with it
>>7594>I hate how discussing anything remotely Japanese related or with a Japanese artstyle on /v/ is practically impossible now.Probably because most fans of Japan on /v/ are arrogant, extremely rude people towards anyone who doesn't share their tastes, and /v/ collectively decided they weren't welcome anymore.
>>7603>/a/ is much worse than /jp/ with waifu shit.Right. But /a/ is an anime and manga board. Waifus can be anime or manga characters, but the threads tend to be discussions revolving around the posters themselves, not about the characters. /jp/ is "Otaku Culture", which is much more deserving of being the home of such a thing.
>>7594I'm not sure what started this anti-Japan brigade on /v/, but it seems that any time someone creates a thread with an OP image that has even the slightest amount of "anime", the thread immediately devolves into WEEABOOMOEPEDOJAPSHITSAGESAGESAGESAGESAGENot even Recettear (a game that /v/ loved when it first came out) is safe anymore.It's gotten to the point where one dedicated troll is now making literally the same Neptunia/Meruru thread on /v/ every day, because it will always without exception turn into a 500-post shitstorm.
I don't go on /v/ and I don't want their feels, 3DPD nyanners, greentext shit on my /a/.Fuck /v/.
>>7612>It's /v/ cultureNo. It's not. It's edgy teenager /v/ culture. Much of /v/ berates the dumbasses who post "LOL WEABOO PEDO SHIT"Refer to>>7427
>>7641>but it seems that any time someone creates a thread with an OP image that has even the slightest amount of "anime", the thread immediately devolves into WEEABOOMOEPEDOJAPSHITSAGESAGESAGESAGESAGEI've seen this happen in a thread that starts completely unrelated to anime, but someone starts shit because of a reaction image.
>>7603How so? It's the truth, I can admit that /a/ is not free of sin either but it's a huge annoyance for many people.>>7618>and /v/ collectively decided they weren't welcome anymore.That there are people who actually believe this and were brainwashed by the troll mentioned here >>7641 is extremely saddening.
...How much of /a/ actually thinks /v/ is out to get them and actually shitposts on /a/ on a regular basis?
>>7636waifu shit on /jp/ is deleted>>7641Blame the /a/ type trolls for constant shitposting, those threads are now associated with /a/ and trolls.
>>7685not me
>>7685The same amount of people on /v/ that think every person who posts a japanese game on /v/ is a weeaboo faggot who doesn't deserve to live.So no one.
>>7642You tell 'em girl-from-that-show-I-didn't-like-but-it's-totally-okay-with-me-if-you-like-it-regardless-of-my-opinion
>>7685Not a whole lot, but we also get a lot of threads starting with "/v/ here" so it's not a complete stretch.
>>7683No, it's the truth. We'd be having nice gentlemen's threads about good video games, and fans of Japanese games would wade in and start talking utter garbage about how our games weren't any good and we should play Japanese games instead.
>>7618Explain why that shit is affecting based Recettear threads too then. There's no need whatsoever to use the words 'pedoshit', 'weeaboo', or 'moeshit' ever, neither on /v/ or /a/, especially if whatever is posted is relevant to vidya and anime on respectively /v/ and /a/. There's a difference between being a closed-minded faggot and someone who happens to like a certain kind of games.See >>7672This is a problem with overzealous /v/irgins, not a certain fanbase or a category of games.
>>7522the only animosity I've seen between /co/ and /a/ in the past few months (outside of the usual cross board shit poster trying to make "drama") is when /a/ started reporting the toonami livestreams /co/ was watching.and /a/ stopped doing that already.
>>7720Like I said, /v/ associates it with /a/. And 4chan isn't a hugbox, are you seriously crying about people using insults? 4chan as a whole is immature, get thicker skin.
>>7717>We'd be having nice gentlemen's threads about good video games, and fans of Japanese games would wade in and start talking utter garbage about how our games weren't any good and we should play Japanese games instead.Congratulations on being so fucking retarded that you aren't able to distinguish reverse trolls.
>>7765I've never seen a fan of Japanese games discussing things like an adult so I'd say this isn't a case of "reverse trolls" (whatever a "reverse" troll is supposed to be).
>>7685Thankfully, actual /v/ shitposting outside of "/v/ here" threads and Toonami/"moeshit" debates is pretty rare. It just frustrates me how /v/ itself treats Japanese content as seen in this thread. It irks me that /a/ has a blindly raging anti-Japan crowd right on its doorstep.
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>>7783I've never seen a fan western games discussing things like an adult so I'd say this isn't a case of "reverse trolls" (whatever a "reverse" troll is supposed to be).To be honest, I've never sseen ANY game discussion on /v/ being mature.
>>7761I'm fine with insults and criticism, as I too hate hugboxes and circlejerks. What I'm not fine with is that in many cases, they're deliberate attempts to derail/otherwise ruin threads. The fact there's a whole bunch of immature posters is one of the reasons we are getting new janitors. Don't blame cancer on the quality of a board, it's a goddamn self-fulfilling prophecy.
>>7326That picture is so out of date. /a/ is with /sp/ now.
>>7824More like /k/.
>>7832/k/ is really not noticeable if you aren't a fan of Upotte. The current /a/-/sp/ relationship is a lot like the old /a/-/v/ relationship was.
>>7832what happened to /an/?
>>7803As I've said, /v/ associates it with /a/. See these guys>>7618>>7612I guess you have no one to blame but yourselves.
>>7848I don't see a lot of /sp/ on /a/ other than today when we had the cultural exchange threads, is it more common for /sp/ to talk about /a/ subjects?
>>4924This thread is discussing splitting up larger boards. I wonder if splitting /v/ into Japanese and Western boards would solve the problem. That way there would be a /v/ variant with considerable /a/ overlap, yet without LOLWEEABOO shitstorms.Of course, a lot of vidya that do not (yet) have the weeaboo moniker would have to go there too, like everything Nintendo.
>>7856Except it shouldn't be, that's the whole problem, threads being derailed by improper judgement. If a janitor deletes a post like 'weeaboo pedoshit gtfo >>>/a/' a thread can be stopped from going to shit in the best case.>I guess you have no one to blame but yourselves.I guess that's true though.
All of this is entirely a creation of the users.It is entirely silly.It's like the 4chan-tumblr silliness.A problem exists because people think a problem exists.It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
on the other boards, users are usually redirected to "/a/b/v/" if their posting style is deemed too stupidthat's right, you guys get lumped in with /b/, that's how awful ALL your posts are
>>7880/sp/ comes around and tries to troll /a/ semi-regularly, which almost always ends up in a funny thread where we throw shit at each other and complain about why sports is better than anime or vice versaYou can make the stupidest anime thread on /sp/ and you'll get a 600 post thread about it.
>>7903Just like toonami threads/anime shouldn't be associated with /v/?
>>7899Moot doesn't want to split major boards for who knows which godforsaken reason.
>>7612>/v/ cultureFirst time I've seen someone say that while completely serious in months, good work jackass you are the cancer
>>7437>/v/ermin detected. We don't hate Bebop, we hate YOU because every time you come to /a/ you don't want to discuss your anime, you want to whine about moeshit and modern anime and how it doesn't cater to your tastes like the tiny handful of stuff Toonami aired. Fuck you.This generally happens because of K-ON faggots and the like who can't help but ruin a thread because it isn't moe enough for their standards.I've been in /a/ when shounen threads get opened, they get invaded, saged, and what not by exactly these people. It's been like this for a while.
>>7924/a/b/v/ was always used to mean board speed. Whenever someone talks about quality they normally try to lump r9k or pol or sp in there with the /b/ and /v/.
>>7880>>7926For some reason /sp/ uses a lot of Idolm@ster pics.
Why can't everyone just get along ;_;
>>7800Pop into a thread about Thief or SupCom or Homeworld or X3 or something. Nothing but gentlemen - until the weeaboo manchildren show up.
>>7926>/sp/ comes around and tries to troll /a/ semi-regularlyI can't say I've seen any of that recently though, it might be during hours which I'm not awake I guess. I do browse /a/ everyday for far longer than I'd ever like to admit though, I pretty much get out of bed, browse /a/ and go back to bed these days.
>>7930I'm not sure about what problems you have on /a/, but that seems reasonable enough, I suppose. Then again, knowing /a/ and 4chan in general, I think this kind of issue is very hard to moderate against.
Something needs to be done about the anti-Japanese crowd on /v/. I don't give a shit about /a/ but this is a big fucking problem on /v/.
>>7996>Pop into a thread about Neptunia or Meruru or IM@S or Recettear or something. Nothing but gentlemen - until the westaboo manchildren show up.
>>8001I personally don't have any problems, I'm just being neutral and unbiased.
Is this even an actual thing?I figured the majority of /a/fags that spout this shit are just trying their hardest to fit in and most of the /v/fags are blatant trolls.
>>8034It's too late.
>>8035>Neptunia or MeruruThe problem with those is that there's a dedicated troll who keeps remaking them. Refer to >>7641>IM@SAssociated with /a/.>RecettearWhat?
>>8035>>Pop into a thread about Neptunia or Meruru or IM@S>Neptunia>MeruruRecurring threads (or at least they used to be), they go in /vg/.>Thief or SupCom or Homeworld or X3These are uncommon threads that don't happen regularly, your bias is amazing.
fuck off /a/All you guys do everyday is jack off to little girls with colored hair. At least we are have good discussion on which games we hate.
>>8095You forgot Recettear, although I do agree that 'westaboos' are far from the only problems that /v/ has.
>>7946theres some crossover pictures of idolm@ster characters in soccer kits, so i think that sort of explains it
I miss when /a/ and /v/ got along. Remember back when Gurren Lagann was airing? That shit had all of 4chan behind it. Azumanga Daioh used to be talked about on all the boards, even /b/. Hell, even just a year ago you could find Cromartie threads on /v/ and /co/. Why can't we go back to those days, and watch the same shit together like we used to? All of this recent inter-board rivalry shit is retarded, and only results in shitposting caused by people who just can't ignore a thread that they don't like and have to reply with amazing quality posts like "gb2/v/" and "/a/ pls go". It's all very counterproductive, and honestly shouldn't matter on a website dedicated to a bunch of social rejects who play video games and watch Chinese girls cartoons.
>>8047That's about it, really
It's just that people who mostly claim they are from /v/ think anything that isn't shonen or something they saw when they were younger is "moeshit" (when that word is thrown around the whole thread starts to get trolled into oblivion anyways). It's just that /a/ discusses more recent stuff and having a bunch of threads with entry level shows that have been discussed to death don't work well. It's like people on /v/ who discuss triple a super well known games. You don't want to see multiple threads about Mario 64 or Skyrim or Call of Duty ,even though I did see a Cod thread with like 300 posts yesterday.
I think what's been proven is that wordfilters and that sort of thing, while helpful, are not really a good way to fix the problem.I think that if we add boards that take the mind of the average 4channer off of the subjects, that would help.As it has been proven, adding boards relating to interests or sects of the 4chan community has made it a lot easier to weed out and "quarantine" certain "infected" areas. Such as the /mlp/ board.I don't think word filters and public bans really help. It just sparks controversy and the bad type. It makes people make threads not related to the subject and leads to even further segregation and fighting.What's a peaceful way that we can do this, or a way that would actually help the community? Probably a "culture" board or something. Something like a "culture interest" board. I don't know.What do you gents think?
>>8120You are the problem, not the solution. Both boards have discussions, but people like you don't even try to find them before you put down your judgement.
>>8095Meruru threads aren't common and Neptunia threads only became common because one guy is constantly making them with the intention to spark chaos.
>>8153I always thought a huge amount of those "lol /v/ here why do you all watch moeshit instead of good anime like bebop???" threads are started by trolls who just know full well how to push /a/'s buttons
Nobody is actually taking it seriously.I think.
>>8132>and honestly shouldn't matter on a website dedicated to a bunch of social rejects who play video games and watch Chinese girls cartoons.I wish it were still like that, but the normalfags invaded and hate you losers and your Japanese shit.
If /v/ermins wouldn't shitpost and act like retards so much /a/ wouldn't have a problem with them.It's the haughty "I know better than /a/ because I watched Toonami" attitude that they have that bring the hate.
>>7914This is the problem. despite the really funny images with words on them, a lot of /v/ and /a/ people really care a whole lot about things and when they post about how much they care its just not funny but it encourages other people who care (carebabies??) to post their epic care stories.
/a/ gets several threads of "Why is anime dead?" , "Why doesn't Japan produce good anime anymore?" a day which are as annoying as recommendation threads and mostly supected to come from the /v/ crowd.
>>8153>It's just that /a/ discusses more recent stuff and having a bunch of threads with entry level shows that have been discussed to death don't work well.>discussed to death>by /a/>in 2006>2006 /a/ is the same as 2012 /a/People come and go, deal with it, not everyone has watched the shows that you watched 6 years ago.Same as I didn't play (/v/ gonna be mad) System Shock when it came out.>It's like people on /v/ who discuss triple a super well known games on /v/Difference is that people shit on new triple a games on /v/ and praise the older ones./a/ does the opposite without any shitting, just ignoring or saging threads which have anything old in them.Loosen the fuck up a bit, niggers.
This isn't really an issue except for sporadic meta threads.
>>8269I FUCKING HATE THOSE THREADS SO MUCH.
>>8269>>8300What's to hate? You do know it's other /a/nons trolling the shit out of you most of the time, right?
Yeah well I don't like anime, but you don't see me coming along to /a/ and bitching about it unlike so many people who start anime threads on /v/.
>>8337/v/ anime threads are started by people from /v/, though.
>>8269It's not the /v/ crowd, it's just the same trolls we get all the time. A while back people even thought it was an IRC team fueling both sides and pushing /v/ redirects. The worst part is that those threads always get responses. There are plenty of people on other boards who do believe that but they largely keep to themselves.>>8290Games are an incredibly different medium than shows. They're all about user interactivity and experience. I love to talk to people who have just finished old classics because everyone is different. Shows can't be compared to them. We spend a week analyzing each episode to death and move at a much slower pace collectively through the same experience. Some of those old series you want to talk about we spent half a year in constant forum over. The most you're going to get is people nostalgia tripping about how the threads used to be, something you'd have no relation to. There are very few anime with enough depth of interpretation to warrant discussion to this day and those shows still have near daily threads.
>>8326I hate the fact that even if it's retarded and flat out wrong, but for plausible deniability one cannot assume outright that it is trolling, and therefore it's ostensibly on topic.>>8337There are tons of threads like that on /a/ though, even if you aren't the one making them.
>God knows it isn't helping the vendetta /v/ has on anything JapaneseWhy does the vendetta need helping? As far as I understood... /v/ is for vendetta.
>>8355And I always report them, but they sadly persist. Yeah, I get it, janitors/mods can't be on all the time. It's just an observation, nothing more. I know /v/ will never be regulated on a normal basis, it moves just too damn fast, even with the existence of /vg/.
>>8410Don't do that. Let's not bring the lame puns and guy fawkes masks into this.
>>8365>We spend a week analyzing each episode to death and move at a much slower pace collectively through the same experience. Some of those old series you want to talk about we spent half a year in constant forum over.>WeAgain, my point is valid. You did, but we didn't. Reason why shounen anime threads go into 300 posts in /v/ and people don't even bother to post them in /a/.What gets on my fucking nerves is that these threads in /v/ get invaded by /a/ - /v/ posters who try to turn them into shit with K-ON images and the like. Live and let live.
>>8365You missed the >2006 /a/ is the same as 2012 /a/ bit.With the amount of ignorance and general hivemind bullshit that is all over /a/, do you really think a large part of the board population right now were actually there to discuss the older series?
>>8475We have JoJo threads all the time on /a/ without any shitposting.Maybe because it's a good shounen manga.
>>8473Too late, it's happening.
Anyone interested in anime and on the net knew about /a/ by 06/07. Same case with /v/ but about 08.Beyond that most of the new userbase came because of /b/ or they were underaged. And for that reason both boards have continuously decreased in quality.Infact think about the average anon, he plays vidya and watches anime. /v/ used to have Japan time, /a/ had many video games threads. We more or less got along. Infact the userbase was greatly common just that some anons felt they belonged more in one place than another./a/ has become exponentially elitist but it kind of works as a self preservation mechanism. /v/ and /co/ have suffered due to a lack of this. However for the past 2-3 years there haven't been many good anime (other than this spring) which is one reason why /a/ suffered.But honestly, /v/ just seems gone now, beyond any hope. I'm sure nobody on /v/ has been there for more than 2 years. Most less than year and probably all 14 year olds. 4chan has become so big it's lost its sense of community. /v/ /co/ the more user friendly boards are prime to suffer it.
>>8475Accel World is shonen and we have threads about it with quality discussion all the time.
>>8543>/v/ used to have Japan time,Wait, are you using that as an example of "/a/ content on /v/"? I'm confused
>>8543>However for the past 2-3 years there haven't been many good anime (other than this spring)Do you really, really want to open that can of worms?
>>8560Accel World was trolled A lot at the start of spring season though, I guess the trolls just moved on to bigger and greater things, if there is such a thing. You have SAO as the main target of trolls this season, the show is not as bad as people make it out to be, but then again "those" trolls decided long before the first episode came out that it was the show to troll relentlessly this season.
>>8543Don't think Tatami Galaxy was this spring and that's the only thing this decade that's been worth a shit. But I agree otherwise.
My problem with /a/ is they have to blame absolutely every stupid comment on /v/ like /a/ users can do no wrong.They also redirect every idiot to /v/, which only makes things more difficult for us. Forget trying to fix our board or anything, just send more retards bitter towards /a/ and "moeshit" to us, Surely this won't make things worse for both boards.Just people trying to fit in I suppose.
>>8600Everything gets trolled at the start of a season on /a/. And I really do mean everything. Any show that gets more than a couple threads gets filled with trolls shitting on it, then later reverse trolls that make the fanbase look bad. Then a couple weeks later you get a flood of threads calling X fanbase the "worst fanbase on /a/".Every season, without fail. It's one of the bigger problems on /a/, in my opinion.
>>8560AW is an anime about fighting, not a shounen, there is a difference; and only one of its manga adaptations (a spinoff, not the main story) is published in a shounen magazine.
>>8647>Just people trying to fit in I suppose.This is exactly what is the problem on /a/
>>8650Yeah I guess you're right. Jinrui has actually been able to avoid most of the trolling though somehow, eventhough it is one of the bigger titles on /a/ this season.
I don't really get the whole "/v/ shitposting about moe" thing.I mean, I don't doubt some of the people posting about it are trolls from /v/, but there have always been people on /a/ posting about this.Back in the days when K-On! was airing and YotsubaC was still around people would still post about "moeshit" and how it was "killing the industry", probably even more than they do now, and no one would ever imply that those posters were from /v/.I dunno, it just seems to me that there's this faction on /a/ that often shitposts about this particular topic. I don't know that it has as much to do with some cross board conflict as people would think.
>>8647Everyone does the /v/ redirect, not just /a/, most of us come from /v/ in the past, we left ages ago because of the massive quality drop, we're just redirecting people who are clearly from /v/.
>>8684>Jinrui has actually been able to avoid most of the trolling though somehowWhat the fuck are you even on?Did you somehow miss all those retarded LE FAIRY FAEC :D threads?