People of the Occupy movement have been protesting at the DNC.Looks like we were wrong about them.
>>5244753whos we? gotta mouse in ya pocket, hippies hate everything but themselves, everyone else is wrong
>Idiots sill think the Occupy movement has been supplanted by the Democrats This ain't the Tea Party which took over the Republicans, the Democrats went full isolationist with the Occupiers so they're actually separate entities.
How about they field candidates instead of camping outside things like children?
>>5244833because... like... corporations, mannn
Occupy is not part of the Democratic party, but the Democrats are fully willing to adapt their rhetoric.
>>5244833You know what would make organizing easy?
>>5244753wait, occupy is STILL going on?
>>5244943Physical occupations are largely gone, but the activists are there to stay.
How fucked up do you have to be to protest the DNC? I mean can you imagine how fucked up the average ideology is of the occupier who doesn't like the democrats?
>>5245019 Occupy has PLENTY of reasons to dislike the Democrats.
no niggers, no jews, no /new/s
They just want attention. They're clearly liberals, just look at them. But like retarded, idealistic liberals they probably think they're doing something profound by protesting both conventions. Even though there is nothing profound about them or their message, they have the intellectual depth of a 12 year old girl. Bitching about how she 'deserves' something ... pfff
>>5245019>Democrats do bailouts>Occupy occurs in response to bailouts among other things>"why would they protest dems??"
>>5245101>They just want attention.Don't all protesters?
>OWSThey're still around?
Well the tea party is funded by oligarchs. Occupy doesn't have that advantage because their message isn't really helpful to billionaires.
This just in, in an attempt to become relevant the occutards are clamoring against the color green, they want to see more orange.
>>5244934>implying unions and many liberal businessmen didn't back OWSThe reason why OWS failed was because it was a disorganized, violent, disruptive clusterfuck.
>>5245142>doesn't know which administration was responsible for the bungled Wall St bailouts
>>5245019>>5245142Yeah, the criticism has been "Why aren't they protesting Obama?" Well... they are and so now I don't think they're so bad. That's just me though.
>>5245156Yes, it's a very feminine thing protesting is. Instead of actually doing anything they just stand there and bitch, trying to soak in attention.
>>5245172No. OWS could have easily backed candidates. Some politicians even came out in support of them, but then retracted when they saw they were a bunch of angsty spoiled children.tl;dr, they did it fucking wrong. Just because a company rents a convention hall doesn't matter. What matters is the will of the protesters. And shitting on a cop car really accomplished a lot.
>>5245184What's left of them.......
>>5245183Who had a Congressional majority.
DNC Convention gets picketed by liberals EVERY SINGLE TIME.Its basically a convention event.
>>5245233I'm surprised they didn't do anything at the RNC
Hrm, my respect for Occupy went up just a little.
>>5245242get out, just get the fuck out
>retards think a social movement is gone because it doesn't change the world in six months>retards think a social movement is gone because it's not on tv>retards think political movements all must associate with one of the corporate parties of the US political status quohow brainwashed are you motherfuckers? don't you realize that occupy is VERY SIMILAR to the tea party, except that it hasn't been taken over by billionaires and neocons? don't you realize that if you're unhappy with the status quo right now (which i fucking know you are) that OWS is your goddamn ally?stop being retards and judging things based on what the media tells you. if you went out and TALKED to these people and got involved in what they're trying to do, you might actually accomplish some shit
>>5245240No you misunderstand. The DNC Convention is has been picketed often violently since the 1960s. THIS IS COMPLETELY NORMAL AND EXPECTED.
>>5245263Please don't make me think.
>>5245204>camp in a park>expect things to happenThis is why the movement failed. No billionaires, no Koch Brothers, none of that shit. They just did NOT get their shit together because they were spoiled rotten kids mostly from upper middle class backgrounds who were upset that they were out $200K on a music theater degree and blamed it on people who had more money.
>>5244934And Soros contributed to occupy wall street.Just like the tea party movement it started off grass roots then was swamped by retards.Elites only crack out the death squads when a political group is a legitimate threat, when it is just a bunch of people who noticed something or came up with a good idea they just astroturf over it.
>>5245263>What the media tells youI don't need to look to the media when there are countless youtube videos that document OWS's faggotry.
>>5245263Many of us watched their feeds, they're a bunch of faggoty hipsters. Hilariously pissing their pants thinking the FBI and Illuminati are after them because they're 'so important'.
>>5245315I like how you post this below a pic that proves you wrong.
The only way we can gauge whether Occupy was a failure is if anyone from any third-party left of the Democrats gets a seat in Congress.
>>5245351I like how he probably didn't serve.Google Stolen Valor.
>>5245263what about people who have no issue with the status quo
>>5245315read>>5245263and then shut the fuck up. your ridiculous strawmen arguments and assertions that a movement which is active RIGHT AS WE SPEAK has somehow "failed" will never make your cowardice relevant. put up or shut up you stupid keyboard warrior.>>5245329because everyone associated with occupy has a video on youtube of them clearly stating their entire political viewpoint for your home viewing pleasure, right?you fucking lethargic shits are waiting for the revolution to come to you. wake up and see what's right fucking in front of you and get involved, or keep bitching and watch as you never have control over your life
>>5244753
>>5245364I like how you're probably retarded.One weak response deserves another.
>>5245381>mfw an image macro variant I made was saved and posted by someone else
>>5245401I like how you accept what OWS tells you.
>>5245381Source?
>>5245374>a movement which is active RIGHT AS WE SPEAK
>>5245421
>>5245418The OWS conversation is about whether or not you're retarded.Google "OWS soldier".
>>5245374The delusion is strong with this one.The sad part of it is, you STILL believe in it.
Ah, I miss the OWS threads from last year.Occasionally you'd find an OWSer that actually made sense, but most of the time it was just mockery of overprivileged kiddies getting stomped by riot cops. Not that I like riot cops either.
>>5245449Oh an image without citations. You've won me over.
>>5245463>>5245435>reaction images and platitudesthis is why you kiddos aren't relevant. if raging against a movement fighting for your rights to self-determination is what it takes for you to feel relevant in this political turmoil, more power to you i guess.we'd all prefer if you did something productive, though. maybe start with reading a book
>>5245459NO MARINE wears a uniform like that.>>5245482>forgetting the countless OWS pic with.......no citations either.Checkmate.
These people don't seem to understand just how brutal this universe can be. They're lucky to be alive, they're also lucky to not be living as a slave or worse, which is I'm sure a reality in an alternate universe. They have this cushy little life where it's essentially impossible to fuck up as there are so many safety nets. A life which is extraordinarily luxurious compared to any era in the past. A life where they can consume themselves in technological marvels, wrapped in a blanket of artificial air at a customizable temperature. What do they do? They display as often as they can how naive they are. They complain at EVERY opportunity. And about what? They don't even seem to know. Name one thing they contantly bitch about that isn't utterly petty. But they bitch "whoa is me, my iPhone is almost out of batteries, they need to put more outlets in this park"-occutard
>>5245142
>>5245511>Shamar ThomasHis MOS was 3051. That means he was probably a supply clerk at a depot. Veteran my ass.
>>5245449>we have to completely happy with our country because its better than 3rd world shitholes
>>5245564It actually is. To the starving children of Africa, we are the 1%.
>>5245511>forgetting the countless OWS pic with.......no citations either.I don't see any of those here, so you should be pushing for a stalemate.Here's one with a source. So you're in checkmate?The game of /pol/ is a strange one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrvOeDxBrw/thread
>>5245598>SOURCE: MOTHER JONESbahahahahahahaha WOW, really? Do you know how partisan that website is?
>>5245532I prefer this one.
>>5245598>rich people getting richer makes us poorerDERP DE DERP
>>5245564You know how in the Clinton years, just before 9/11, the political atmosphere was a sunny blue sky with no clouds in sight? People fought over petty-ante things like a president getting his dick sucked.tl;dr people fight even when life is good, the sun is shining, and the economy is booming
>>5245598how was the top 1% income lower than average income at one point?am i just being stupid?
>>5245598>Mother JonesLeave.
>>5245101Attention. The number one point of protesting.Getting what you are protesting for. The other number one point of protesting...
>>5244934>You know what would make organizing easy?A coherent ideology? Members who are willing to do hard work, instead of a bunch of unemployed pot-heads?
>What OWS is angry about
>>5245617You made it so easy, I didn't have to try hard to "win." That's just how bad you are at this.
>>5245598>average income rose>forgets new technologies, markets were created over time>new investments
>>5245662Yeah, posting from a left wing blog is a reputable source.
>>5245513If we remain content with what we have now, there would be nothing but stagnation. It's stupid to say things like this >>5245449. With that kind of attitude, we would still be working 12-14 hour days for pennies.
>>5245598How exactly does us getting a bunch of Bill Gates Steve Jobs, Mark zuckerberg make the average person poorer or worse off?
>>5245678It's better than no source. Or is it? What's this image do for you?
>>5245661Do you even read the shit you post? That drop in the red area is a 50% drop. Look at the numbers on the right.
>>5245692Hey asshole, my parents work 12-14 hour days, sometimes more. One works for an accounting firm and another for a securities firm. Combined they make about $200,000 a year because they are good at their jobs and they actually put forth the effort. THEY'RE the ones who matter in society. They're the ones who handle YOUR debts, who handle YOUR bank accounts, who handle YOUR taxes. They get up at 6:00am and come home at 8:00pm, sometimes later and sometimes working from home on their days off.
>>5245678>>5245722Step it up /pol/.
>>5245722>tax breaks for the wealthyOH SHIT THESE PEOPLE ARE USING LEGAL MEANS TO KEEP WHAT THEY HAVE EARNED, THIS CANNOT STAND!
>>5245779>>5245722>tax breaks for the wealthyThese are typically for capital gains, which are essential for business. It is here where new jobs and businesses are created. If people took the time to really understand the importance of investing and capital gains, OWS would not exist. inb4 they hoard their money. That money would be worthless if they didn't invest it.
>>5245722those look like programs we could definitely lose and not miss.
>>5245776>dot com
>>5245722Most of those programs are:-bloated-not cost effective-abused
>>5245776why does it matter so much that the rich are getting richer?how does someone having 100 million affect you less negatively than if that person had 100 billion?
>>5245806>If people took the time to really understand the importance of investing and capital gains, OWS would not exist. If people took the time to understand basic economics, they wouldn't say stupid shit like this, either. But what are you gonna do?
>>5245705Standards of living, inflation, etc.If we're not going to talk about the rich getting richer while we stagnate, we can talk about why it's okay to maybe tax the rich a little more while trying to get this deficit under control. Oh wait, Republicans made an oath to never increase taxes on the wealthy. I guess the deficit isn't really a big deal to them.
>>5245870what about what he said was stupid?
>>5245859Because muh feelings.
>>52457761. Calculating inflation isn't as easy as you think. There are at least five equally valid ways of calculating it, and some of them project median income grew higher.2. Doesn't factor in compensation and other forms of benefit. Yes, those services aren't "free". Your employer just takes it out of your paycheck.3. Its purely statistics and doesn't take into account the changing demographics of workers. For example, a lot more women are in the workforce and they go into lower paying jobs by choice so this drags down the average. There are a lot more minorities in the workforce as well and they lack the education and skills to take higher paying jobs so they too also drag down the average. Also young people entering work force and old people retiring, etc.
>read thread>realize that very few, if any of you people have ever even been to an Occupy site and thus know NOTHING about it except what the media tells themPlease, go....
>>5245892>Standards of living, inflation, etc.source?is the average person's standard of living worse than it was 10 or 20 years ago?and how does wealth disparity cause inflation exactly?
>>5245892Our standard of living is so high that you have people in poverty owning refrigerators and tvs.Progressive tax systems are bullshit and it's class warfare. You have no moral authority to decide how much money someone has. Also watch this video, it will educate you and explain why you are so incorrect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jboTeS9Okak>I guess the deficit isn't really a big deal to them.Says the party that taxes and spends and has basically allowed China to own us.
>>5245951how much money someone should have**
>>5245892>>5245892>>5245892http://youtu.be/vDhcqua3_W8http://youtu.be/s6FmhXQ32Wo
>spending money for moneyISHYGDDT
Instead of samefagging, how about one of you faggots post a stream?Oh thats right, they arent even at the DNC and they sure as shit arent protesting it...
>>5245951this
>>5245896>muh envy, much jealousy, muh bitter, muh entitlementThe funny thing is, the fact that rich people exist doesn't actually effect their lives outside of those feelings which they harbor. And if the rich didn't exist it could only impact them negatively. They must irrationally think there is some pool of money out there and if the rich weren't rich, they would somehow get some of it by pouring coffee or just existing.
>muh entitlements
>>5246032Our GDP in relation to defense spending is actually lower than it was in WWII. Just thought I'd mention it.
>>5245661Yeah, because that graph isn't intentionally misleading...
>>5245951>progressive taxes are bullshitActually you're a complete moron.Lets say we taxed a flat 20% of all income and gave a $500 rebate to each individual. Well guess what, its not a flat tax anymore. Individuals making less than $2500 now pay no taxes and as you get richer your taxes approach 20%. A person making $5000 would be paying only 10% in taxes.Progressive taxes are good, the only question is how you curve the rates.
>>5246031liberals think the economy is like a pizza and the rich are taking more and more slices.but what they don't realize is that the pizza is constantly getting bigger and bigger. and while the wealth of the rich gets bigger it doesn't make the wealth of the rest poorer.
>>5246051Feel free to expand the red part.I'm SURE that will support your case.
>>5246051>ridiculous overstep of govt to try to make home ownership available to everyone>creates enormous bubble>bubble bursts>blame capitalism
>>5245965Informative videos, thanks for sharing. I won't use inflation so lightly again unless it's in regards to helium and balloons.Can we let the Bush tax cuts expire?
>>5245951>China has 9% of the US public debt>OH NOEZ CHINA OWNS THE UNITED STATES!!!http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/02/16/china-reduces-u-s-debt-holdings-again/
>>5246119lol, leftists are faggots.
>>5245763Sounds like a bad way to live. I feel for your parents.
>>5246100Not to mention, that the rich people are the ones buying most of the pizza and tipping the driver. And they're splurging for the really nice pizza with all the best toppings.
>>5246119That drop is actually the size of the first four sections of the graph's y-axis, made to look insignificant. Try harder faggot
>>5246156It's so cutthroat at my dad's job that if someone dropped dead on the floor, people would simply walk over them. But we do okay.
>>5246161http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/07/23/super-rich-hide-21-trillion-offshore-study-says/Where does this money fit into the analogy?
>>5246136this implies that the taxes will have zero effect on the economy or the businesses that it effects.
>>5246100It's more that it's a sign of a broken system. For decades, centuries even, everyone in this country benefited equally from the increase in the size of the pie. For the last few decades, the pie has increased in size, but the share of the pie that goes to poorer people has not increased. They are pretty much standing still in terms of total pie consumed, they're dropping behind in terms of their share.
>>5246136Wow! An entire 950b over 10 years...that's around .095T per year and our deficit last year was 1.3TGuys we did it! We don't need to cut spending!! Obongo 2012!And lets ignore the fact that the CBO, the same source you used for that graph, just recently came out and said we will walk off a fiscal cliff if Bush tax cuts AREN'T extended.
>>5246137>http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/02/16/china-reduces-u-s-debt-holdings-again/>is the largest foreign holder of U.S. government securities
>>5246214They were put in place so rich assholes could get even more of their money, and they justified it by saying "Hey! Look! Cut taxes for the rich and it will create more jobs!"Its been 11 years. Where the FUCK are those jobs they went on about?
>>5246222You have to first make the assumption that rich people aren't benefiting disproportionately from the externality of living in a functioning society. What else should the government do, if not try to correct for externalities?
>>5246230>but the share of the pie that goes to poorer people has not increased. Yes it has. The only reason why there's a "wealth disparity" from the late 70s to today is due to a multitude of factors. Like new industries opening up, technologies being invested and developed, new markets opening up. An investor seeing a potentially lucrative opportunity to make a lot of money and then some will be a fool to not invest and make a large buck. Such as Apple and the internet.
>>5246218well if we didn't overtax them they wouldn't hide and they'd just invest it.and how does that money hurt you?
>>5246192 You do realize that if you were to equalize the graph's measurements, it would make the later increases proportionally LARGER, correct?Look at it. From 1990 to about 1996, the graph actually doubles. That is to say, it'd be damn hard to FIT the growth on the graph if they didn't measure it that way.
Putting the useful in useful idiots.
>>5246263How do I into capital gains and investments.You may not be aware, but the economy is in the shitter. RAISING taxes on EVERYONE (yes, everyone, this is according to the Treasury) will fuck us. Let me ask you, do you understand why businesspeople invest money? Do you understand what comes out of it?
>>5246214We were having discussions about cutting spending while increasing revenue before the Republicans vowed to never raise taxes.Letting the tax cuts expire says, "Let's try something new, we need help with this deficit thing."
>>5246282How does the deficit hurt you?
>>5246345But Republicans are the ones who are best at cutting deficits.
but HURR DURR i thought the occupy movement was funded by George Soros DURR HURR love how consevartards ignorantly labeled the occupy movement as being Obamabots
>>5245263Occupy is not like the Tea Party because the Tea Party actually got people they wanted elected. The Occupy movement might even push Obama out of the white house.You silly faggots don't even know what you want, how is that even a movement?
>>5246365Not according to your chart. Oh, you made a joke?
Occupy isn't a movement because there's nothing they're moving towards. They offer the vaguest of platitudes that most agree with but no solutions whatsoever.I hope they split the Obama vote and we get 4 years of Romney. You boys thought corporatism was big under Obama?
>>5246398Yes according to the chart.
>>5246345>We were having discussions about cutting spendingwhat did democrats want to cut exactly? the military?hate to say it but thats not even going to create a dent in our debt>>5246032
>>5246365>>5246345>tax on wealthy decreases>deficit increasesHuh.
>>5246218Oh boy here we go.Were you one of the drones from last night?Those "findings" were conducted by a very partisan group that advocates for fucking over people who make more money than he other guy.. I'd LOVE to see how exactly they came up with the figures they came up with. Because many of their own citations were either dead links or incoherent. Also the fact their findings have not been corroborated by anyone else makes their credibility garbage.>21 TRILLIONLet that sink in. The fact Infowars picked this up is proof enough that it's probably a crock of shit. http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/08/12/the-ignorance-of-the-tax-justice-network/I can link Forbes articles too.
>>5246345Are the rich not paying their fair share? It seems to me they're the only ones keeping us afloat.
>>5246304If the money was being invested tax would be pointless. The reason to tax is to move the money around which is currently not being invested because people are scared shitless.
>>5245449Is the reason 3 billion people cannot read that message simply because its in english and not other languages? I find it odd that the maker is suddenly very pro west.
>>5246423Obama cut $700 billion to insurance company subsidies. That's the $700 billion to general healthcare, if you get your news from Mitt Romney and his dry erase board.
>>5246436I'm always surprised at how the left is always angry when the rich don't pay their 'fair share' but never thank the rich for paying for all the programs the left loves so much. If you're using my money, least you can do is be grateful.
>>5246439Look I'm explaining to you how it is. And if they have a little left in the bank, so what? SO WHAT if they make deductions and use LEGAL methods to not pay taxes?Everyone makes deductions. You'd be careless not to.
>>5246398Let me help you out:http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
>>5246423>21% of the budget is for social securityand who exactly says America isn't a socialist country?
>>5246475And where did that $700 billion come from?
>>5246476Let's look at those income disparity charts and then we can decide when to call it even.
>>5246398are you reading that chart right?in general, the graph is the lowest in the red parts
>>5246475>implying conservatives wanted corporations to be subsidized and be slaves to the government
>>5246423I'm a democrat, here are my ideas:- Something like Bush's privatization of social security plans. This will both reduce government debt and increase investment by individuals in the local economy.- Cut defence by ending a few pork projects.- End Bush tax cuts for everyone. - Modify charity tax deducation to ensure it isn't being used as a tax loophole.- End war on drugs to take burden off states to build prisons.- Gut the department of education.
>>5246436Wow. You... you guys realize what this graph actually shows, right?
>>5246381the occupy wall street movement is the lack of confidence in the system in it's entirety - of course it's hard to agree on how to fix it, but voting for anyone is a tried and failed method of achieving change is certainly not the way to achieve change. Hell, obama campaigned on that very word and has done squat. - how is it a viable system when you have a choice between mcderpy richman and a liar?
>>5246514>Top earners make more money>They pay more in income taxes>Top earners make less money>They pay less in income taxesWhich one do you like?
>>5246549>>- Modify charity tax deducation to ensure it isn't being used as a tax loophole.You want people to not be incentiveized to give to charity?
>>5246514 So not only are you ungrateful, you're jealous too?People earn more than you. Deal. w/it. You are not worse off because somebody else can afford 6 yachts. How exactly is using government to take money from the rich any different than just begging for handouts from the wealthy? Either way, you have to come crawling to the wealthy for a handout. You're just using an intermediary rather than begging for it yourself.Stop being a a fuckin' beggar.
>>5246534You have a funny way of saying, "Thank you, Obama."
>>5246487>And if they have a little left in the bank, so what? society is better off if it is spent, especially in times like these where no one is spending.>SO WHAT if they make deductions and use LEGAL methods to not pay taxes?I agree, they can use any legal methods available to them though I'd like to somewhat reduce the number of legal methods.
>OWS protests DNC>Election day, they still sheepishly vote for hope and change
>>5246549You are an idiot.You sound like some high schooler that is just entering the real world with your suggestions that are just poor when you take a moment to examine them.
>>5246552the tax burden decrease of the 95% is the mirror image of the tax burden increase of the 1%meaning the rich keep paying more and more taxes, as implied by this poster >>5246436
>>5246579>society is better off if it is spentYou don't have the moral authority to make that determination.>especially in times like these where no one is spending.Have you been living under a rock? >I agree, they can use any legal methods available to them though I'd like to somewhat reduce the number of legal methods.That's your problem, pal.
They arnt protesting the DNC they are basically holding a support rally for it.I just hope Blac Blok shows up and starts some shit. I want to see them get beat by cops.
>>5246429red states have the most niggers and they have the most indian reservations who receive enormous welfare benefits, and then probably more important than anything is the agricultural subsidies red states get.
>>5246552That much more of the income is going to the top 1% than it used to?Well, at least the part that's classified as income (ie. not capital gains or longer term dividends).
>>5246599He's got some good ideas.I'd like to hear your ideas.
>>5246597I still havent seen 1 pic, stream, or link proving that OWS is at the DNCNotice how OP conveniently forgot a link too...
>>5246574You should not be taxed on something you've given to charity but you should get no benefit beyond that. It should be a deduction, but currently it is allowing people to gain a greater benefit than otherwise.I do not believe we should be incentivizing charity beyond not discouraging it.
>>5246625Red States also tend to have more Military bases, which are a huge source of government funding, but NOT considered welfare.
>>5246648Looks like they're even getting too lazy to fabricate photos of crowd sizes or montage video in their favor.
>>5246638>That much more of the income is going to the top 1% than it used to?how do you get that from a graph showing the rate of income tax?
>and no one remembers the DNC protests conducted by left-wing anarchists, which happens every single fucking convention.stay newfag as hell /pol/
>>5246599Well, I'm open to critiques. Obviously on 4chan your views somewhat become a caricature of themselves, but on the whole I've made some reasonable suggestions IMO.
>>5246575The needs of the people are increasing with an increasing population. Widely available birth control helps to get that under control, but the right seems to hate that, as well as anything in the spirit of the Buffett rule.
>>5246613>You don't have the moral authority to make that determination.I don't have the moral authority to take a moral stance? It is my opinion that society would be better off forcing rich individuals hoarding their money to spend it in times of crisis.I submit quite simply that this is more moral than not taking this course of action because of all the horrible results which come with recessions.
>>5246648http://occupythednc.us/
>>5246638There's a bit of a distortion that I think needs to be cleared up. Don't get me wrong, I feel the 1% has been getting too much while the rest have been getting too little, but this is often based on the idea that everyone else hasn't had income increases.The reason the middle class hasn't had income increases for years is because they have had *benefit* increases through a variety of statutory and non-statutory means.The cost of employment has been increasing while incomes have not. This is because people are getting benefits other than income increases.
>>5244753>Its just rage...So was the tea party. The political sharks like Christine O'Donnell saw the astroturf money and ran with it. Most of the Teabaggers that were elected to goverment were sideliner oppurtunistic politicos and real batshit wackaloons with Mr. Smith fantasies. Occupy is just a large, unorganized mess. Nobody has a cohesive strategy other than "BANKS BAD!" Nobody smart will run as an Occupy electorate since that means they have to take it from all sides within the movement, including the Marxists and violent Anarchists in order to be elected.
>>5245779>entitled to my moneyLOL go live on a desert island then dumbfuck... find out how self sufficient you really are... and how much money you can really make.
>>5246758 It does not make sense to subsidize child support and also subsidize contraception. Its kind of like subsidizing corn growers and then taxing products that contain high fructose corn syrup (which we do as well). You're helping create the problem you want to solve.
>>5245034Name some.
>>5246901>thinks he's entitled to other people's moneySee, YOU'RE the one that would be hurt the most by moving to a desert island. No more people to leech from.
>>5246901what does the govt do with that money that is better spent than the rich person just investing it all in the stock market?
>>5246901I would be better off without you and the other welfare scum leeching off my money.Get a job and save for when times are bad, it's not difficult.
>>5245263How about you tell me what Occupy actually BELIEVES in? Not based on what they are AGAINST, but what actual pro-anything stances they have?
>>5245661>uses NYSE trade volume as a sole economic yardstickGTFO and don't come back until you lrn2economics
>>5246918They aren't subsidizing contraception, the insurance companies want to pay for it.
>>5246996Banks shouldn't be bailed out. Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Corporate criminals should actually pay for their crimes.
>>5247059What would occupy suggest should have been done to deal with the credit crisis? It seems to me that while the bailouts certainly weren't the best way to go about doing it, it was the most politically feasible.
>>5247080I think a good number of them would let the chips fall where they may and rebuild from there. What was the Tea Party's position? I'm not being defensive when I'm asking that, I just want to know how similar the Tea Party is to OWS.
>>5245532>>5247148
>OWS is totally protesting Obama too u gaiz!>Even if one of the major organizers of the movements insists everyone should refer to Obama as His Excellency
>>5247168This is what I expect from greaterbostonteaparty.com>>5245622
>>5247080>>5247148This pic.IF both corps and goverment are that much in bed (and both sides that aren't totally allied with their respective parties agree with the pic), then why hasn't a third party rose from these useless movements?Privatize Corporate Profits--Socialize Corporate Debt. The new face of Fascism.
>>5247148OWS and the Tea Party are similar in that they both think the government has created problems by colluding with certain major businesses.The Tea Party wants less government because of that.OWS wants more and bigger government so that the government will fix the government.Yeah.
>>5247059Good.Now figure out how to wrap up these stances into a nice, neat bow. Take at least ONE of these issues, influence a lot of people into listening to you and presto! You have changed the world!Read this book, it will help you learn how to organize and actually get stances accomplished: http://www.amazon.com/America-Owners-Manual-Making-Government/dp/1604264764
I'm waiting for the day these fucking numbskulls will wake up from their half-sleeping stupor and realize that you can't fucking change the system from within the system. You need to negate its authority and actively sabotage it, not beg for mercy and a few more scraps for your "benevolent elected officials". Fuck Uncle Sam and Fuck Capitalism!
>>5247182Are you saying it isn't happening? Who is this guy you're talking about, why does this guy shape your reality, and does this guy have anything to do with:http://occupythednc.us/
>>5247256Oh that's right, it's a school holiday today.
>>5247148>I think a good number of them would let the chips fall where they may and rebuild from there.That's completely irresponsible. Whatever wrongs have been done we have a better result today than if we had allowed the US / world economy to completely collapse.
>>5247264Why does your one site define the OWS when the one organizer I sited doesn't?
>>5247256I'm waiting for the day you grow up.
>>5247303You didn't CITE anyone.
>>5247349Go look it up yourself, you're not worth my time.
>>5247277>>5247319You petty bourgeoisie liberals sit in your gated upper-middle-class communities with your cute fucking Priuses and your fair-trade coffees and your organic foods, while fellating yourselves 24/7 about how "welfare is working" and "Capitalism can be saved!!!!!" and how "government will take care of us". You refuse to look outside of your suburban wastelands and see the reality. Children starving when obesity is at an all time high; People having no choice but to kill and steal and deal to get by; people selling their bodies so they won't have to die alone, cold, and hungry in a dark alley. You turn a blind eye to the panopticon of the State-Corporate-Media complex that's hypnotized the masses; extinguishing creativity, expression, skepticism, and rebelliousness through the TV and the intellectual prisons they call "schools". They put you behind a desk for 40 hours a week and convince you that you're "independent" and "free" and "accomplished" as if you didn't know what those words really mean. But they know, and they stuff their warped buzzwords down your throat until you convince yourself it's true.You're not truly alive. You don't know what it means to live, because for all intents and purposes, you're FUCKING DEAD. Your lives mean nothing; a mere statistic on the per capita GDP or a mere digit on the census.
>>524755610/10 saved for future use
>>5247556>>5247256Glorious, comrade!
>>5247556Nice words. Meanwhile your life is probably like mine or at best (for your position) you are a scumbag welfare cheat living off my hard work while protesting all day.
>>5247556>>5247556That's nice.As an anarchist, you have two options: 1). go live on an organic farm and preach to the choir of the rest of your anarchist friends. It'll take you away to a nice, closeted world where you don't have to "accept" society in any way.2). Talk to people about how you want to change the world to your anarchist ways. Run into an FBI infiltrator, keep doing the same thing and be stalked by Homeland Security for the rest of your life.It worked for this guy.http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/us/29surveillance.html?pagewanted=all
>>5247736>implying I associate myself with these Occupy retardsThat was the whole point of the post. Occupy is a fucking joke as it is now. Nothing but idealistic hippy college kids thinking that the State can "save" them just because they're in their little drum circles.
>>5247777>2012>not willing to die for a better tomorrowISHIGGY DIGGY DOO
>>5247845Yeah exactly, BAAWWWWWWW EVERYTHING SUCKS THE WORLD SUCKS.I AM AGAINST THE SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS FOR. TAKE A STAND AGAINST THE MAN, MAN.
>>5247845No, I'm not willing to die for a better tomorrow. Why should I give a shit about how tomorrow is if I'm dead? I don't have kids.
>>5246473what kind of moron are you? that's 3 billion illiterate people, not people who can't read English, they couldn't read it any fucking language because they CANNOT READ.
>>5247911Heh... u mad? U mad, bro?
>>5247922>No, I'm not willing to die for a better tomorrow. Why should I give a shit about how tomorrow is if I'm dead? I'm a beta permavirgin pussy.Ftfy
>>5245576to like 99% of the world we are the 1%
>>5248007>beta>dying without spreading your geneslel
>>5248022>implying I haven't already.
Nothing to see hereIt's just like a spoiled child treating his parent like shit. Like that bitch who turned into a blueberry and raped Willy Wonka's twisted little midgets. Just like that. Move along
>>5247556I hope you do realise that anarchism is the extension of libertarianism, ergo a right wing position?Unless you're an anarcho-syndicalist or an anarcho-communist in which case enjoy your unicorns.
>>5245562>>5245562>supply clerk some place behind the linesmeaning he likely:>had three square hot meals a day>hot showers>slept in a bed in a building (or prefab at the worst) every night>solid 8 hours sleep a night>most danger he likely faced was a sprained back from lifting crates>mfw this fucking unshaven fatass pogue running around screaming about "honour" and disgracing his uniform by wearing it as a fashion accessory
>>5248141>thinking libertarianism is primarily a right-wing phenomenon
>>5248295>not american>not using american definitions of words>believing hipster communists like noam chomsky who preach against the rich while being a millionaire taking every tax cut they can.
>>5248416>using "American" definitions>speaking English
>>5248141anarchism is totally outside of the political spectrum, stop trying to ascribe it to your right-wing bullshityou are thinking anarcho-capitalism, AKA 2edgy4libertarianism but enough of a faggot to have basically the same ideology as any libertarian
They're protesting the dems for not being leftist enough.How were we wrong about them again?
>>5248836>Anarchism>You can do whatever you want with your money and with your body (in other words government has been reduced to 0)>Totally not an extension of libertarian rightI SCOOBY DOOBY DO
>>5248953Except you faggots love property rights.
>>5248141>no state is an extension of the limited state
