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Am I the only one who finds CAPTCHA to be a giant pain in the ass?
Maybe instead of having to type in the verification for every post, you should have to do it every other post.
Thoughts?
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>>3844
Captcha is there for a reason. Don't like it? Don't post.
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ENTER CAPTCHA ONCE PER IP.

Just like 2ch.so for fuck's sake.
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>>3849
I just find it it would be harmless and more convenient. No reason to get all snippy.
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>>3869
Enter captcha once.
Turn on spambot.
???
Profit!
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How is typing two words a "giant pain in the ass"?
I'd rather have captcha than spam/board raids.
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>>3879
2ch.so is not getting spammed, your point?

Also,
>shitty ??? meme
>acting retarded
Is this your first post in 4chan?
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>>3890
Well granted that CAPTCHA isn't a giant pain in the ass, I don't think there would be spam/board raids because of it. Though you do raise a good point.
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>>3892
I think he meant 2ch is different from 4.
If you put CAPTCHA only once per IP, you can just do what the fuck you want.

Idea denied.
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I just wish they went back to the old easier captchas that has the relevant word in white. ffs I just had kanji in my damn captcha.
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>>3915
Is it even possible to have easier CAPTCHA's? I get a lot of Israeli text, m'self.
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>>3935
then type something random in place of the hebrew or japanese and do the real world
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>>3935
Reload the captcha maybe? Often you can even just mash the keyboard and it will accept it.
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>>3968
>do the real world
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>>3935
4chan is onto you and your jewplans.
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>>3980
My problem is that there is such an influx of these completely eligible CAPTCHA that you'll end up just refreshing it two or even three times.
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>>3935
You DO know that you only need to type out one word, the one that doesn't look like hebrewish characters or textbook scans or whatever. You can leave out the other one. Pic related
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Why isn't there a board dedicated to the internet? I'm not saying there should be and I'm not explicitly asking for one, but often I want to ask/talk about something but don't know where to go.

For example, do I go to /tv/ to talk about a web series? Do I go to /mu/ to talk about a podcast? Do I go to /lit/ to talk about a blog?

I just think it'd be nice if there were a place to talk about this sort of stuff.
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>>4014
Basically sfw random?
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>>3935
I didn't know that, actually.
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>>4014
It's easy, you don't know where your topic belongs?
>>>/b/
You don't want to mingle with underage btards?
Welp, you're shit out of luck.
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You don't have to type the half that's usually unreadable. The kind of blotty, slanty/curvy gibberish that doesn't have any special effects, that's the half you need to include. A space or anything else will suffice for the other half.
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>>3890
One word actually, only one of them is real.
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>>4044
You still need to type in something for the second word, whether it's a space or "nigger".
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>>4014
That would lead to a lot of VIRAL MARKETING and PROMOTIONS!
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safelinking uses these instead.

Every time I use them I wonder, would they not be a viable alternative here?
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>>4070
Holy shit, this.
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>>4070
Make this happen, Moot!
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>>4070
I'd figure that it is pretty easy to write a bot for that, unless the images for the objects change constantly.
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>>4070
>>4070
This would be GREAT
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>>4070
Something like that would be nice instead of reCAPTCHA.
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>>4070
Bumping so moot sees this shit.
make it happen
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>>4070
Sounds pretty damn good to me.
Surely there's a catch, else captcha would have gone out of style ages ago.
>While posting this I failed the captcha 5 times, I think it's onto us.
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As awesome as >>4070 is, I think >>4095 might be right. Not that I know anything about writing bots.
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>>4173
Still, bump for justice.
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>>4070
> requires mouse usage
how about no
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>>4195
How do YOU submit posts? CAPTCHA requires mouse usage, too.
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>>4206
Tabbity tab tab.
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So...About those Kanji Captcha for /a/ and /jp/...
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>>4244
>Kanji
I'd be OK with Kana, but Kanji? That's just asking for trouble.
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Well what about the captcha that just makes you add or subtract 2 numbers? That seems like a lot fucking easier.
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>>4274
And easier to exploit too.
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>>4256
It could be Kana only, for testing or something.
Unless you're planning on sticking with 2nd grade Japanese for the rest of your life.
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>>4256
Would still be easier than this.
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>>4195
Seconding this sentiment. Keyboard input for life, yo.
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>>4330
" tegualib"
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useless thread if moot removes captcha the entire board will get spammed worse than /b/ is spammed by pony threads

also who the fuck writes 2 words in captcha??
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>>4244
What's wrong with a normal captcha? Not weeaboo enough?
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>>4070
This looks great... captcha is such an annoying system.
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>>4384
I really didn't think I had to tl;dr this thread but clearly I did for people like you.
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>>4386
That would be the only way to stop retarded recommendation threads.
also prevent birdbrain fucks from shitposting.
Oh man...i'm getting excited just thinking about it.
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>>4095
This is true, there are good image-based Captchas but this is not one of them.

It's funny how every now and then I see proposed "Captcha replacements" that forget the point of Captchas.
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Maybe add a minigame as captcha that bots cannot solve.
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Problem with Captcha is that it doesn't refresh if you type it wrong...
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There are already bots that are able to enter captcha's with 10% accuracy. It won't be long until we are seeing bots that have greater recognition powers than humans.

imho the only long term solution (meaning lasting several years) is to require an account. It's not a dire problem yet, but the web of the future will probably much more account based than the web of today. And it's a lot less painful to log in every time than it is to enter a captcha every post (if you're like me and don't keep browsing history). To create an account you either need an invite or you have to go through a longer more painful set of verifications.

Otherwise, I don't think I've seen a good solution. Professional spam bots 3 years from now will probably surpass humans in every test currently understood as convenient. 5 years from now you'll probably be able to get your own super-human spambot off of tpb.

And if an account is required, newfags will be less of an issue, and 4chan can still keep the anonymous setup simply by disregarding information like IP address. And 1 account would not need to specify 1 person. As long as no spam ever comes out from an account, there would be no reason not to share (especially if no data was ever saved to the account)

The current creative captchas only work because no major site implements them. If 4chan were to do something like that, it would get broken simply because it's on a popular site.
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www.deathbycaptcha.com

You can order 5000 solved captchas for $6.95. With a bit of scripting magic you could make it like 4chan was captcha-free again.

And then you could spam of course, but don't do that.
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>>4466
>account
I'm not even going to bother with calling you a retard.
Just close 4chan forever and watch mootykins' video on online identity, it's in the news section
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>>3892
2ch.so is so shitty nobody wants to spam it.
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>>4466
>Professional spam bots 3 years from now will probably surpass humans in every test currently understood as convenient. 5 years from now you'll probably be able to get your own super-human spambot off of tpb.

40 years ago this kind of technology was also though to be 3-5 years away. It's a *hard* problem, and when it's solved the benefits will far outweigh increased spam bot activity on a web forum.
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>>3892
why would they spam 2ch? they aren't baka gaijin white people
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>>4063
I just press the letter a and that's it. It still counts.
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I was thinking in a way to make captcha less annoying, in a way sort of like spamassassin works:

Add a set of rules that take a post and figures if it looks like spam with points for each one:
- certain urls add 20 points
- a % of characters outside ascii add 5 point
- certain words or phrases add 10 points
- time between posts is under 30 seconds add 5points
- certain ips add 10 points
- etc

Then if the points sum up to a threshold, take the user to an intermediate page telling him his post looks like spam and requiring him to solve the captcha to finish the post.

That way normal usage is captchaless and allows a degree of liberty for posting other stuff, while still trying to stop the spam.

Of course this means work has to be done, both by the boards system (extra time processing posts) and by humans (updating the system rules). But 4chal already stop posts that look like spam, so it would be an evolution of that system.
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Another Idea: CAPTCHA once per IP every 10 minutes, shorter time for the faster boards, longer time for the slow boards.
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>>4587
Better go all the way and train a bayesian classifier on a sufficiently large corpus of posts. But email filtering is easier since there are more variables that can affect the score.

And in the end a system like that would still fail to stop someone like accelspammer.
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>>4070
bot's still would have 1/5, 20% chance of being right
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>>4070
Do it Moot
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>>4070
This'd be nice.

Recaptcha is awful, it drives my stress levels through the roof. Even though you only need to get the one word right, lately it seems like that one word is getting more and more fucked-up looking and impossible to read. Almost every post I make takes two or three tries.
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>>4070
Holy Shieeet
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You obviously weren't here before it was instated, but the state of 4chan was MUCH worse.

And if it really bothers you that much you only have to type one of the words, the other is reCAPTCHA for Google Books. If you can't figure out the fake word you're hopeless.
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>>4696
>>4734
>>4745
Does it work with JavaScript disabled?
Does it work on touch screens?
What about people with disabilities/links users?
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There are image-based captchas that have actually had some research put into.
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>>4070
Fuck that, I have to move my mouse
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>>4070
>>5179
Actually on the second thought this might be useful for phones. Typing in the CAPTCHA on a touchscreen is torture
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CAPTCHA images have become so blurred ... they can barely be read. Blur them into Jello-like smears on my screen ... wtf?
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"Captcha is there for a reason. Don't like it? Don't post."

Great attitude! Deep thinking...

No one's denying that there's a fucking reason. It's the insane inability to read 90% of the crap.
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>>4063
I type nigger out of pure reflex now.
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I love moot, but I'm sure he is just making money with captcha or something, why else would he use those shitty captcha ? just use http://thepcspy.com/kittenauth/ kittens already !
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what about captcha every 3 post for IP?
it will descrease the pain by 60% and it won't let spambot work easily.

also 1 captcha for every IP for every thread should work, because spambots that spam in a single thread don't really work.

if you find the captcha difficult keep in mind that 1 word is from a random textbook and only the other one is the real captcha to type.
if your captcha is
[math formula] sfotrdie
you only need to type
nigger sfotrdie.
also it tolerates 1 wrong letter.
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>>4070
probably the most retarded captcha ever.
was created by some designfag who wishes he could code.

The whole fucking captcha is client side and even if it was server side it would still be easier to bot.

recaptcha was pretty awesome addition for 4chan
and good job with the time limit moot I knew of what people call "prefetching" years ago. Didn't expect you would do anything about it.
its amazing what people will do/put up to post here.
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>>4801
complete client side javascript......
people pointed the captchas flaw near the top comment and the creator brushed it off.

raged hard at the stupidity.
its called fancycaptcha i think.


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