Someone of you may be asking yourselves, "well what does any of this have to do with 4chan?", well in that time 4chan has also grown in popularity. And not with the usual crowd that would have attracted people to 4chan 9 years ago, or even 4 years ago.

The normal everyday person who hasn't spent a majority of their lives neck deep in the internet has began to flock to 4chan.

Some of you are still probably asking yourselves "Well this isn't a secret club, who the fuck cares?"

You should care.

These people do not have the same grasp of internet etiquette as we do, they are not used to the notion that this place has rules and is not just the willy nilly wild west that the people who come through /b/ are used to.

If you want an example and are well versed in video games take the plight of the BR, scourge of the online gaming community. They usually have little grasp of what they're doing, do not have the manners you'd expect of someone from the US or EU have when playing online games and are generally hated among gamers.

The normal person is the BR of 4chan, they come here, have no grasp of how 4chan works, usually start off in /b/ so they have the /b/ mentality of no rules, and generally just don't give two flying fucks.

They don't have the same mentality of 4chans users before being on the internet was the cool thing to do. People came to 4chan because everyone had 4chan had the same thing in common, we were all pretty much the same type of people. All of the boards were there to talk about the different subjects with other anons who also happened to like /v/idya or what have you. 4chan was united and the boards were different provinces of this great empire.

But slowly boards started to have their own culture, and instead of 4chan culture we had /v/ culture, or /mu/ culture or /k/ culture or what have you, instead of being acceptant of each other the boards became their own little sects.

And this is where seed for rampant off topic and shitposting was sown.

Now that each board was getting it's own culture, you wanted to discuss other things with these people that subscribed to "/board/'s culture" so instead of going to the right board to discuss certain topics, you'd create a thread in the board you wanted to talk to.

This is what killed /v/, this is why there is two video games boards now, years of rampant off topic and shitposting threads led shitposting and pseudo-off topic threads ("Hey guys what should I name my dog? Video game names only", or "What music do you listen to while playing video games") led the people to of /v/ to actually complain about video game generals, even though that's purely what /v/ was about and thus /vg/ was born.

Now I haven't mentioned the normal yet for awhile, and it seems like this is a problem 4chan created in and of itself.

Well the reason that happened to /v/ first is because /v/ was the second most popular board and sequentially had highest normal people ratio, but as 4chan becomes more and more popular so do the other boards become shit and full of off topic threads, /mu/ is plagued by feel threads and other off topic garbage, /sp/ is /b/ 2.1 etc.

"Jesus, that's a lot of fucking words, and he just pointed out a problem and didn't offer a fix"

There is a fix, you can start by getting rid of /vg/, returning vidya games to their rightful place and then start fucking enforcing your rules.

Yeah, 4chan is a huge place and we're still waiting for the new janitors but the 2 (I believe) Janitor hiring's we've had in the past 2 years isn't on par with the level of growth that this website is growing at.

People have become too used to the lax moderation of /b/ that has become pretty much the standard for most boards, you can get away with shit threads for awhile.

You need to come down with an iron fucking fist, hand out bans for people that consistently start off topic threads in boards, warn everyone that posts in the off topic thread, ban people who are attention whoring just for the sake of attention whoring (There was a trip in /x/ the other day that had a signature that was bigger than most of his posts).

Show these assholes who's boss and that it's just not acceptable to make 4chan a garbage website.

>>225614 (OP)

pls i spent 20 minutes writing this pls just read it

pls ;_;

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>>225700
Holy shit
This needs to be read

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>>225622
Actually, there is an IRC channel of dedicated shitposters, usually trying to create wars between boards or making off topic threads 24/7 in order to make havoc within the community.

Number one is that regardless of addition to staff, moderation will simply never keep pace with posters. Period.

So you should forego enforcement of rules as any means to fix 4chan.

Number two is that the communities on boards and what is acceptable on boards are constantly in flux, much to regular lurkers' chagrin. Attempting to enforce adherence to things that are 'on topic' just brings us back to number one; 4chan's strength is that it's users have to self-moderate. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. And as with all popular democracies, sometimes bad things stick around because too many people like them.

Number three is recognizing 4chan's place on the internet. It is at the focal point of meme generation, so probably every forum, board, etc has been touched by 4chan around the world. Most people are tacitly aware of 4chan through /b/. This isn't a bad thing: to the contrary, having your largest forum being considered a haven of racism, misogyny, gore and CP is an effective way to throttle/bottleneck users who come to 4chan. They probably don't like what they've heard, so they don't stick around. The downside is that there will always be a certain demographic that thinks those things are just fantastic, and thus will want to stick around. Those, you can't do anything about.

Yeah... Yeah, you're right.

4chan is finished.

I love what you're trying to say here, but I feel a couple of things need to be corrected.
1. /vg/'s purpose.
I'm not exactly sure if you wanted to use /v/ as a example, or if you were just trying to make a point. Regardless MANY /v/ goers weren't happy with the same generals dominating the front page, many wanted different topics about videogames and different things to discuss. Some /v/ goers didn't even like the games on the front page.
2. Overall 4chan camaraderie
I hate to pick on /v/ again(not really) but I think this board is a good example of why there isn't as much camaraderie as there should be. It's because like you said. A good portion of 4chan DOES NOT belong here. So there's feeling of 'these aren't the people I hang out with' and a feeling of hopelessness like >>225735 So you kinda get more cynical towards all the stuff you used to laugh at and joke about, because you're not sure who's on the other side of the keyboard and what they actually believe. Take for example the hatred between /jp/ and /a/. /jp/ hatred for /a/ began immediately after the split, right when the constant bleach and OP threads were around. Most /jp/ goers thought 'fuck this, I rather hang out with the true 4channers on /jp/, creating this sort of bubble where no cross-boarders are allowed and this feeling like their the last 4channers left. Now repeat this process with all the boards and you see what I mean. What I'm trying to say is that there is too much competition to see who isn't cancer. But can you really blame them? There's a lot of cancer here, but there's a cutoff point between cancer and not-cancer.
(cont.)

>>225735
I suggest we all find a new home
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Chans best place to start

I would like to bump this thread because you wrote so much OP, but it's just... there's nothing else to say.

We might ask, how do we fix this? Like you said, tighter moderation is a good start. But at the same time, the popularity of 4chan is just going to continue expanding. We won't be able to make a dent in the shitposting unless we increase our moderation tenfold, but that would also cause another issue, mostly about janitors/mods that would abuse their position.

As it stands now the community is supposed to self moderate itself by reporting and refraining from posting off-topic and shitposting, but if the majority only wants to shitpost, than what can we do?

Well, maybe we should make a second /b/. /b/ goes to fast, maybe another /b/ (or 2) will slow it down so actual 'good' off-topic threads can be made and receive attention.

That probably won't work.

Maybe it is time to abandonship.

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>>225741
3. Moderation in general
Simply put, there's only 50 moderators and over 200,000+ posters on two videogames boards alone. Unfortunely like moot said, it's hard to hire from an anonymous community for obvious reason. I guess the only way to 'fix' 4chan is for more moderation and janitors.

Personally I'm fine the way it is. I've been here since 2006 and I've mained every interest or hobby board at this site at one point. I love how you can tell the people who think 2012 is the worst year of 4chan like >>225735
>>225744 even though I can guarneete you they've been here for only a year. 2007 2004, 2010-2011 were MUCH, MUCH, MUCH WORSE

>>225744
also
>ED
Oh wow look at this gajin.

>>225717
You know, I consider myself to be a bit of a sad bastard, because I spend all day indoors playing video games, teaching myself programming, and surfing the web, but I am pretty glad that things didn't turn out so bad for me that my only joy in life was purposefully shitting up an anonymous imageboard all day.

>>225750
there's a relevant quote here from the new Judge Dredd move something like,
"We get over 600,000,000 reports of crime a day here, we can only respond to about 6% of it"
that sums up the mods pretty well don't you think?

>>225744
>using ED for any purpose whatsoever
Fortunately even though Overchan v2 died in August there is yet another version up at http://allchans.org/

>>225752
I'll take your word for it I guess.

My board's doing great. Sucks for you guys who care about that fast boards!

>>225756
What the fuck is a gajin? Do you even spelling?

>>225769
I'm a horrible speller and typist. I make a typo in every post.

>>225752
There are only ~20 moderators. 50 is janitors and mods put together.

So what's the best way we get new moderators?

Should we have a 4chan convention where people submit their resume(?) to moot, and he interviews them?

>>225629
>getting rid of /vg/

No. I don't want so see 24/7 KS, SC2 and LOL generals on page 0 again. It's perfect how /vg/ isolates all the cancerous bullshit circlejerk threads from /v/.

>>225774
That or moot can research various admins/mods of other forums and imageboards.

>>225774
I think graduating janitors is the best way, but I'm not sure that's happening this time around. moot just seems reluctant to add mods in general.

What the fuck is with trying to delete posts here, jesus christ.

Threads like this exist on /tv/ all the time because of the shit moderation, which consists mostly of attention whoring tripfags

THERE IS THAT ORIGINAL ENOUGH, Fucking stop muting me you sack of shit system!

>>>/tv/26365467

>>225778
We need, snacks back,
but for /v/

>>225787

Trust me, pointing out specific threads or specific board problems won't get any moderators attention, I had a thread on here for 2 or 3 days about all the feel threads and other off topic stuff on /mu/ and when I found out that the post above and below mine had just gotten a reply from moot but mine hadn't I abandonded that method of whining.

That thread was 130 posts long and had 30+ examples of shit threads that were linked

I read through the thread OP. I hope a solution is implemented and things slowly improve. Did anything in particular make 2004, 2007, 2010-11 such a bad year for 4chan?

4chan IS a garbage website
deal with it, elitist faggot

make certain boards forced anon with IDs

>>225916
It may be shit but its the less shitty site on the internet right now, massification is the real and uncurable cancer

>>225717
Everyone talks about that channel but what channel is it!?

>>225845
At a guess, though I can't pinpoint what he was referring to exactly
>2004
site completely dying, at one point for several weeks; later in the year, contributions falling off generally, site very slow, /b/ so bad it was actually mentioned in the news in an plea to do better
>2007
"hackers on steroids" news segment, first serious influx of people coming here for the notoriety/because they expected to find some kind of hackers' paradise, also /b/ overflowing more and more
>2010
so much spam some boards become virtually unusable
>2011
don't really know

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>>225629
Exactly what is the point of getting rid of the best video game board on 4chan and merging it with the worst possible board on 4chan?

Why do /v/tards want to shit up every other board

>>225717
>this is what autistic people who spend their time here 24/7 actually believe

Also, fuck you OP I've been here too long to abandon ship so I can go use some terrible Kusaba X clone.

I'd rather have to read shit posts than see shit moderation

>>226709
because no fun allowed.

It would fix a lot of the issues if people just didn't reply to shitposting and threads that don't belong.

If you stop paying attention to it, it'll go away