So technically, discussion of a trolled series is not against the rules... though it could might as well be, because any thread about said show that receives the slightest amount of spam will be autosaged by the mods.My opinion is that the mods hsould either make the series against the rules, or moderate it like you would anything else. The 'middle ground' that certain mods are aiming for only creates more spam.
Also, some relevant mod posts from the past.
Just stop posting Naruto related shit you fucking retard
>>129046So it IS against the rules after all? If so, perhaps the mods should actually add it to the rules. Or make a sticky announcing that Naruto is against the rules. That, or simply work towards properly dealing with the spam.Otherwise? As I said, a 'middle ground' only leads to more spam. I'm hardly the only one making these threads; in fact, I haven't made one for months (excluding this day). They will keep getting made, they will keep getting spammed, and the mods will keep doing absolutely nothing to stop it. Unless, of course, they make a change of some sort, either to their own modding or to the /a/ rules.
>>129055>So it IS against the rules after all? Why would you take that guy's word for it? I don't see any mod or admin tags next to the name, do you?
>>129055I'm serious; at this point I wouldn't even give a shit if there was a 'no Naruto allowed, ever' rule. Just go ahead and do it if you think it would help the board as a whole, don't beat around the bush.Otherwise? Moderate it like you would any other show. If this actually proves too hard, and giving in to the spammers' goals is the only thing you can do, simply make a rule against it. People will stop trying to make threads about it, and as a result people won't spam it.
Trolling is against the rules. Plausible deniability is not an excuse or a defense for trolling, and it's up to the moderation staff to to make those judgement calls.e to your liking.
>>129063I'll admit that I'm an IRC newfag; I only use it when I need to contact a mod. I'm pretty sure being at the top of the user list and having symbols in front of your names means you're a mod/janitor/whatever, right?I went and contacted multiple mods about the spam, which led to the spam being deleted AND made the thread autosage (because somehow that's better than deleting the thread and won't have the EXACT SAME EFFECT of killing it). I don't think it's far-fetched to assume that "Kami" is in fact a mod. But if I'm wrong I apologize.Regardless, the mods still saw fit to make those threads autosage, so what "Kami" said could might as well be accurate to the mods' actual viewpoints.
>>129077I was referring to your response to the guy in this thread. I have no idea if whoever you talked to on IRC is a mod, but if he is, he seems to be directly contradicting archived mod posts.
>>129072I wasn't trolling; people were actually willing to hold a discussion and were being really nice.The only way my post was a 'troll' was having a Naruto image in the OP which, as has been stated by the mods, is not against the rules. If just mentioning Naruto is 'baiting the trolls', then MAKE NARUTO AGAINST THE RULES. I'll stop giving a shit and just stop bringing it up altogether.Unless, of course, this is just one mod and the others would disagree with his methods.
>>129082Anybody who reads /a/ and /q/ regularly can tell you're the same poster who kept crying about your "animation" threads getting shit on because you started them with naruto images, and now you're doing it again and again. Like I said, plausible deniability is not an excuse for disruptive behaviour.
>>129079Which part of why I made this thread. The other mods weren't around (or just didn't want to listen to my whining) so I don't know what they would think about kami's choice of moderation. Maybe they WOULD agree with him that having Naruto in the OP of a thread is just 'baiting trolls'... which, once again, begs the question of "why not make Naruto against the rules entirely to avoid this shit in the future".Or maybe they wouldn't, and they disagree. Mods disagree with each other and delete/ban based on even on Something Awful, which is a pay-to-post forum. It's bound to happen even more on 4chan, which likely has far, far more people in charge of deleting threads, has a bigger userbase and far more spam.
>>129088How is it 'disruptive behavior'? Naruto threads are not against the rules at all, if past mod posts are any indication. If anything my threads will piss off LESS people because they're not even Naruto-centric. They also create genuine discussion, something that doesn't happen to the typical "LETS TALK ABOUT NARUTO XDDDD" fakepost.If what I did is 'disruptive', then Naruto threads as a whole are. If you disagree, please explain why.
It's 4chan, once one person whines about something, they all jump on the bandwagon, they don't have IRL friends and they never fit in anywhere, so bandwagons are the only place they feel like a part of something.OP the rule is retarded, we know, but retarded rules are needed to keep retards in line. It's not your fault people can't contain their autistic rage over a picture, nobody is saying that, just treat Naruto for what it is, a possible thread derailer, use it with caution and when on topic, not aimlessly.pic unrelated
Goddammit, we had like two days without a retarded thread whining about something irrelevant on /a/.
>>129100I think this is a genuine issue. If they don't make Naruto against the rules, people will keep trying to discuss it and faggots will keep posting gore. And the mods won't really do anything about it that will actually have any impact. Spam never stopped Naruto threads from being made, and it never will stop it. If the mods won't properly moderate them OR ban them, /a/'s space will keep getting taken up by them for no good reason. It's just more space taken up by meta-discussions, and more work for the mods.If it's such a harmful 'derailer' and can't compare to any other series that was trolled in the past (like, say, One Piece in 2007), MAKE IT AGAINST THE RULES. Don't beat around the bush, don't pull a South Park-esque 'the answer is somewhere in the middle :)' solution that will only create more spam and do absolutely nothing to solve the issue.>>129095also, one more point: Would things have turned out differently if I made a thread all about Naruto, talking about the story and whatnot, and not just the animation? Would it have been less 'disruptive'? Would the mod have reacted differently if I came in as a 'disgruntled Naruto fan'?I kind of doubt it. But I'm not a Naruto fan, so I don't make those threads; I only watch the show occasionally for the animation staff.
>>129095It's disruptive behaviour because it WILL cause a shitstorm, and you know that. Even if it's not against the rules and it's technically not your fault (though at this point you should have fucking learned a thing or two about what happens), /a/ is in a state that just posting a Naruto pic constitutes flamebaiting. That's just the way it is.
>>129116So *make it against the rules*. If it's 'technically allowed' or 'welcome' as the mod said, people who will keep making Naruto threads. The spam has been going on since at least 2008 and the threads haven't fucking stopped. Either tell me that I'm simply not allowed to bring it up by altering the rules OR properly moderate threads where it's being discussed.
>>129115It's not a rule, it's a hot button issue, at this point a rule isn't necessarily, it's at the mods discretion to deal with the topic in the best way they can. This leads to mixed opinions and inconsistencies, there can't be a black and white rule yet because the site doesn't know how to deal with it properly at the moment, the rage could easily die when a rule expelling Naruto completely would have just reinforced this stupidity.pic unrelated
>>129141Come on, man. You know it won't just die, given that the spam has been common for years now. It could get less common if they left the threads up and banned the spammers; it's not like all of them are behind a bajillion proxies and would go out of their way to basically make themselves virtually unbannable just to keep Naruto threads off /a/ (these retards are just trolls; if you truly think they're normally-good posters who want to 'help /a/' by 'keeping away Gaia' you're pretty misguided). Not to mention not everyone has a dynamic IP, not by a mile.Meanwhile doing what kami did just tells the spammers that what they're doing is effective and gives them more incentive to keep fucking doing it.
>>129151It's stupid to outlaw a topic that is perfectly within the purview of the board agenda but attracts trolls. Because that is exactly what the trolls want. Basically you want to give trolls a free pass to get certain topics officially banned.
Start using a tripcode and MAL account, ask the leaders for a inviteOkay here's the official list of the IRC crew:Leader: heartaches aka Abigail Tran aka Tainaka Ritsu aka the original IS spammer. You can follow her @ abbytran.tumblr.comCo-Leaders: Coal, Nagi, Scyro, socks, agri, Mic, Chris, Feety, dinosaur, KoG, yutanpoCapos: Tokiko, Saru Lock, MmEw, Park Ranger, Justice, Flapjack, Lelouch, Destrado, shirt, JamesCIDSoldiers: Too many to nameWe're at war with Suigin, Hayate,Komeiji, Deepfag aka Currybutt, Taiga, Smoked Cheese and their little circle.We're allies with Sudo and the /jp/ crew.All your favorite anime that get trolled/reverse trolled/spam is from us. Love us or hate us but also respect us.We plan on epic trolling Hidamari and Jojo next season, feel free to join le fun xD
>>129166But kami DID kill the thread.Well, he didn't DELETE it, but making a thread autosage in a really fast-moving board DOES equal to killing it. People will instantly lose interest if it's not being bumped and doesn't bring in new people; I lost interest and so did all the other posters. He killed the thread. It's exactly the same as deleting it.
>make one thread>spammed to death>make another thread>spammed to deathNow why would anyone attempt to make another thread if they aren't mentally retarded or trolling?
>>129188>>129166And once again, they ARE telling the spammers that they're doing a great job by killing these threads. At least making it against the rules would end all the drama.
>>129191But it wasn't spammed "to death". There were people holding an interesting discussion. There was only one retard spamming. The spam posts were removed. Then the mods decided to make it autosage, killing it in the process.
I know how this works, in a few hours OP will make another meta thread on /q/ bitching about Naruto.
The similarity to the ponyfag issue is astounding. We got the global rule for ponies just because everyone else was losing their shit and spamming threads whenever a pony image came up.Just like this situation, the reason pony images were even posted was sometimes because it was just an appropriate reaction image, but mostly because some troll motherfucker knew it was a surefire way to rustle some jimmies.However, I think we've got some assbackwards moderation going on here. Treat the disease (spamming, trolling, shitposters) not the symptoms (Naruto threads).This doesn't just go for /a/ either. Shitposting is shitposting. Doesn't matter if they are responding to obvious troll bait or if it's a thread that some people obviously won't like.You don't punish the victim for getting bullied, then tell them, "Why don't you be less easy to pick on?" you punish the bully.
>>129197> There were people holding an interesting discussion.That's not what I see in the archive.
Learn to board etiquette. It's like btiching over getting called out for typing like *i AM nEW to THiS BoArD" while having a real email in your email field and posting demotivational pictures while talking about an anime.
>>129197>>129191And once again, Naruto threads often get spammed. That's how it is, and how it always will be if no significant change is made. If the mods aren't willing to deal with this spam as they normally do when other series get spammed, simply make Naruto against the rules.The logic behind what you're saying is "Naruto threads are allowed, as long as they don't get spammed. If they do get spammed by one person, then goodbye thread". That's worse than just making it against the rules.>>129201I genuinely want to be able to discuss the well animated episodes of Naruto on /a/, as I have in the past. In fact someone even recommended me a great-looking episode before the mods came along and killed the thread. If you think this makes me a troll then I don't know what to say.
>>1292114chan specifically has a rule against that "the 'lol u tk him 2 da bar' thing, remember?). /a/ doesn't have a rule against Naruto threads, and the mods have said multiple times that threads about the show are 'welcome' on /a/.Maybe they should make their intentions clearer.
>>129212>I genuinely want to be able to discuss the well animated episodes of Naruto
>>129206> People seem to dislike Jun Arai. I dunno if it's solely because of what Ben said on Anipages but his timing does seem off at times. > I disliked Jun Arai's animation before I even knew what Anipages was. I don't hate him as a person though. > I don't really dislike him, but the way he animates movement just doesn't sit well with me. I think he's got some cool shading going on though. > Any upcoming anime with potential for good animation? Besides Chuuniyou of course. Good animation is already a given for any KyoAni work. > K seems to have some cool action animation in the PV, but I doubt it'll be able to maintain a high-level throughout the whole production. Ishihama will probably be able to pull in some good animators for Shin Sekai Yori. Zetsuen no Tempest is Bones, so it should definitely have some good animation going on (though I've heard the source material is pretty shit and not very action-y). Devander should be pretty good in that department if the PVs to be believed. Fuse probably will be too. There's some IM@S OVAs coming which could have nice animation. Oh and Eva Q, I suppose. Apparently, Kameda's done some work on that which is always exciting to hear. > Too bad Toei are jews when it comes to the animation budget. PreCure seems to be their only anime that they are willing to pump in more budget every now and then. > But Naruto is often cartoony. Even in the manga. NO DISCUSSION AT ALL GUYZ
as someone who reads the manga (proof: latest chapter naruto broke through tobi's mask) i wish "naruto should be allowed on /a/" threads would be banned. why? because i don't think you actually give much of a shit about discussing naruto. you just want to post naruto knowing that it upsets people.alternatively you feel self righteous for "fighting" for naruto fans or something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCfiqY05BpA3 million fucking views? i liked this music but i didn't think it'd be this popular.
>>129226I want to be able to discuss the animation in this show, because lots of episodes get a good animation staff. There are multiple archived threads of me doing just that.If I provide them and prove you wrong, will you contribute anything of substance to this thread?
>>129223https://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/70570564/#70570564Hrm, nope. And this is the thread shown in the OP.
>>129231That's because the mod made it autosage (ergo, killed it) INSTANTLY. This is the other thread, which he also autosaged (AFTER deleting the spam posts) http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/70569377/
>>129230>and prove you wrongi'm just responding to give you a minute to understand how proving that you posted naruto threads with the seeming intent to discuss the show doesn't "prove me wrong".
>>129223That's your fucking fault for starting the discussion with a Naruto OP. You could've snuck it in a second post or something. Especially with try hard faggots we've been getting thinking they can troll /a/ and become internet badasses too.
>>129235I don't understand why you had to use Naruto in the OP. I've seen plenty of discussions about animation that had Naruto brought up (animation wise) IN the thread and there were no issues. But you seem obsessed with having it as an OP instead.
>>129235https://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/61125101https://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/61671541/Made the same thread before, got plenty of responses. Because no spammers were online. Spammers decide whether a thread lives or not. And this is... good???
Can we just stop with these threads already?
>>129248>Feb 20I found your problem OP.
>>129256Spam was quite common back then too. Throughout 2012, the success of these thgreads has really been solely a matter of luck, and entirely decided by whether spammers were around or not.
>>129240>>129242Because I wanted to discuss the animation in Naruto in paricular, namely some recent well animated episodes. I was also hoping that if spam came up, the mods would deal with it properly and the thread would remain up, as an example to the people who basically came to the conclusion that gorespammers will always police the board and there's nothing you can do about it. But they didn't, because they're apparently trying to pick a middle ground between banning Naruto and moderating it properly.If there's truly nothing you can do about the gorespammers, and if this is really the only way to deal with Naruto threads, stop beating around the bush and ban the threads.
>>129265Oh for fuck's sake.If you didn't realize, because you were apparently under a rock in the past few weeks, Naruto threads were fucking spammed across the boards because people thought it was funny to do so after noticing that it kept being brought up for discussion on /q/ constantly. The tolerance level for anything pertaining to Naruto has gone down to the negatives thousands.
>>129265I don't give a fuck, The spam has been even worse since the dawn of /q/, dumbass.
>>129028Talk about being biased.So that kinda means that If I start spamming any kind of anime with the intention of having it autosaged I can get away with it?
>>129272It's gotten worse to an extent, but it was very similar in early 2012. There were still people spamming copypasta and gore, and I don't really see much of a difference between these threads now, and the other threads that got spammed and deleted earlier this year.If the logic behind kami's moderation was a special case and an attempt to deal with this particular, recent shitstorm, then it kind of makes more sense. But it still seems silly, because I doubt the spam will 'die down' if they let the spammers kill every thread they find.
Okay, I've just decided you're the same faggot that has been wanting to spam the board with "Who is he" threads. If you even gave the slightest fuck about your discussions, you would've founded ways of not making Naruto the OP, and use a different work from the same artist. THEN you could've snuck in your precious ninja.
>>129276Not JUST you, on your own. But if you get some friends and a bunch of proxies together and target something that already gets trolled, like One Piece, chances are you can easily turn it into the new Naruto, the series that 'everyone hates' and 'everyone wants to see gone from /a/'.As I said, it was pretty much the same with One Piece some years ago.>>129273I don't think it's been THAT much worse with the thread I made. It was practically the same as the other threads I've been in that got deleted due to spam, months before the /q/ shitstor,/
>>129276Well, I'm pretty sure if people started doing that /a/ would bitch and moan a lot louder.
>>129282I've had many, many animation discussions without bringing up Naruto; most of my /a/ posts are just that. I just wanted to have a thread focusing on it, for once, because it's been a long time since I looked up anything to do with the series.If you're not willing to contribute to the thread without calling me a troll because your feelings tell you I am one for whatever reason, ignore the thread.
>>129285/a/ was going smoothly, even for Summer standards until this shit happened, We've had Naruto & Accelerator spam through a whole week, and it only stopped because that one bullshit from /fit/ happened.
>>129294/a/ was still okay during the Naruto shit if you went into on topic threads. Accelspam and that GET were annoying, though.
>>129294Why do you think the /q/ shitstorm started? Because there was already an issue with Naruto threads. Naruto has been spammed pretty badly for a while now, before the /q/ shitstorm. if you spent more time on /a/ you would know.And even if it's gotten worse now, I doubt this is the best way of dealing with it. You can't just 'wait for the gorespam to die down' by rewarding the gorespammers for their work.
>>129297> Because there was already an issue with Naruto threads. Naruto has been spammed pretty badly for a while now, before the /q/ shitstorm. if you spent more time on /a/ you would know.>implying the complaint was even of a legit concern so much as it was just to shitpost on /a/.
>>129310One funny thing people do in these threads is assume that /a/ is completely devoid of people who still enjoy any aspect of this series. They think that their spam actually chased out anyone who doesn't utterly loathe Naruto and everything related to it, and that everyone who might still want to make threads is a 'troll' who just 'wants to stir shit up on our /a/ board'.This is 4chanthink at its worst.
honestly: who(!trollOP) gives 2 shits about discussing naruto with and obvious trollbait image? do you really need an official mod's seal of approval on everything you do? they will never take sides, and you know why?BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE. they just see this as an annoyance, both the spammers and you crying like a little bitch.discuss it stealthily, like that faggot ninja you like so much, and wait for this spam fad to subside.don't be such a fucking child.[i would really like to sage right now]
>>129324I doubt the spam will subside if the mods keep up with this stuff. As I said, to me it seems like they're just rewarding the spammers by killing these threads, and encouraging them to keep gore-spamming.If you really think the spam will become manageable in the future, allowing for less extreme measures, I'd like to hear you explain why. From where I stand, it will never die down.I'm not just asking a rhetorical question here, I'm genuinely curious why people think that "it'll die down eventually".
>>129340But they deleted the spam. And if they deleted it they banned the people that posted them. It's not their fault that people have dynamic IP's. There's no real way of stopping the spammers. In this particular case, though, you could've just prevented it all together. Except you didn't.
It's not against the rules per se except that you could consider it troll baiting. You know it will be spammed to shit but you intentionally post it anyways thus are responsible for adding threads full of spam to the board.Give it a rest, there's a couple naruto manga threads a week that usually don't get spammed. Post in those.Also /a/nons have come to the consensus that there aren't many people who actually try to discuss the Naruto anime anyways, most of the people who make threads about it are the spammers.
>>129188>People will instantly lose interest if it's not being bumped and doesn't bring in new people; I lost interest and so did all the other posters.So what you're saying is it's not about discussing Naruto but taking up a spot on the front page with Naruto.
>>129358No it's simply about having one thread about it that doesn't autosage. But if you view it that way, I can't help you.
>>129340easy: people get bored, or grow up.also there is no "immortal" thing that will survive forever. without going down cosmology lane(entropy, sun explodes blahliblahliblah), the boards changed over the years. people came and went. fads came and went. boards came and went. only moot stayed the same(and even that is somehow up for debate).the fact that maybe you will no longer be visiting here is irrelevant though. protip: the mods don't care about the individual.
>>129362>No it's simply about having one thread about it that doesn't autosage.Right, you don't care if there is a discussion or not so long as there's always a Naruto thread on page 0 like I said.
The hate on sand ninjas has been on for years. It's nothing new. It's like most of the hardcore posters abominate the fanbase. But after /q/, we got people from other boards and normalfags from /a/ trying to force the board into accepting them. I say the hatred won't die. And while the mods are just pretending it is not an issue, the shitposting will continue. I agree with OP, the only way to end the spam is taking one of the sides, but looks like the mods don't care with spam, so nothing will change.
>>129354>Also /a/nons have come to the consensus that there aren't many people who actually try to discuss the Naruto anime anyways, most of the people who make threads about it are the spammers.and yet there were multiple people willing to discuss the animation in the show in the thread I linked.>Give it a rest, there's a couple naruto manga threads a week that usually don't get spammed. Post in those.I haven't seen any recentlyI've only seen one for the past week, and chances are that small percentage of discussion threads will also die out if the spammers keep getting the idea that their spam can actually kill a thread.>>129370There isn't gonna be a decent discussion if the mods autosage the thread early on. Imagine if every thread about something you really wanted to talk about was given this treatment, obviously you wouldn't like it.>>129365I can't agree with this. New members always come in, and if they see this shit they'll pick up this behavior. Gorespam won't die because 'the spammers will grow up'; if one generation of spammers grows up they'll be replaced by another.Which is why I'm not seeing the logic behind this type of moderation. I don't see how the trolling will 'die down' if they keep up their current way of moderating and I don't see why there's a point to not adding a specific 'no Naruto' rule if they intend to moderate this way. People will keep trying to make Naruto threads, gorespam will keep flooding them and there will be just more bullshit to deal with. They're just making things harder for themselves.
>>129352If there's 'no way' to stop the spammers then make a rule against Naruto. If it's truly impossible to do anything about gorespammers, do what must be done; it's not like it's worth keeping Naruto on /a/ so that people will always try to make threads, when only 10% of said threads will actually result in a discussion and the other 90% will result in images of dead babies.
>>129399There's something seriously wrong with you, you know? First of all is your idea of "no matter what I am right"; second comes your prejudiced "my logic is right, yours is wrong". You see, you talk about a lot of "what if" and "it will to". Let me tell you this: you don't know shit.Leaving that behind I'll go to your main point: mods should ban Naruto or do a better job at handling their threads. The first thing wont happen because of the repercusions it would bring, I'm talking about the potential assholes that would try to ban other series as well. Yes, I do realize I'm talking about a what if, but it's better not take chances with banning something on an annonymous board. On the other hand you want the mods to do a better job, but please do tell me: do they gain anything by doing so? They aren't paid for this, they are mods from they care about this site, but they don't have to bring themselfs to their limits just for the unthankfull assholes that crawl in here.You have to realize that to the mods this isue is nothing but an annoyance and they wont indulge in your desires because of all the shit it would bring,I get that you want to tune down the shitposting of the oard, but that is not your work and you should know by now that the shitposting will never end, it will only change form.
>>129433He's just upset the mods sacrificed HIS thread to prevent any further drama. You'd think after a few hours he'd have gotten over it, but apparently not.
>>129446I've seen other perfectly fine threads others made get deleted, and I don't like that either. But I guess it's easier to disregard what I'm saying by picturing me as a strawman in your mind.
>>129433Well if your post is any indication, my reasoning isn't completely off-base; It's just that I'm asking too much of 4chan mods. Which... makes sense, I guess. The type of moderation I'm speaking of WOULD require more effort, and if they don't want to spend that much time moderating 4chan then there's nothing I can do about it. having multiple Naruto threads made daily that all get spammed with gore images seems shittier than the possible outcome of simply taking a side. but I'm not a mod, and if they disagree with this then there's nothing I can do about it.
the boards are for 18+, what is there to talk about a series for kids so you guys need to constantly try to make naruto threads? you're not even too big minority to be given a board like pokefags or ponyfags
>Why do you insist on making your threads with naruto images when you know it will attract spam?>I don't even WANT to discuss Naruto, man, I just want to prove my retarded "You can't stop me, the RULEZ say so!" pointYeah, you're a massive faggot.
why is /a/ so autistic? you're clogging up this place with your constant whining and bitching.Other boards can handle topics that are shit but on topic too. Why can't you?
>>129172>We plan on epic trolling Hidamari and Jojo next season, feel free to join le fun xDYou're the reason I hate /a/ and why everyone calls it shit. Enjoy everyone on 4chan hating you. And not in a "lol epic troll" way, in a casual, annoyed, "why won't they leave" way. You make discussing anime on /a/ an excersize in frustration. You make everything good about the community a fart in the wind. >>130064Because /a/ is filled with people who fall for 'le epic trol'. It's filled with elitists. Elitism can be good. But elitists cannot withstand something they do not like. And so they spam it. And when /q/ was made, they spammed that too, asking for deletion/bamming of on-topic threads and subjects. They're not even able to get their shit together enough to actually stop someone from their board spamming another. It's fucking sad. Second fastest board on 4chan, and you can't even get your affairs in order. Ridiculous. /tg/ can make images like this - to guide folks to the right stuff. /a/ can only scream BOKU NO PICOOOOOOO and call it 'board culture'.
>>130105First of all, /tg/ didn't make that image.And /a/ spammed no one - /a/ got spammed.
>>130105>/tg/ can make images like this - to guide folks to the right stuff. /a/ can only scream BOKU NO PICOOOOOOO and call it 'board culture'.http://animu-mango.wikia.com/wiki/Anime_Recommendations
>>130127My bad, then, for point 1. However... You weren't here when there was at least ten pages of "BAN THIS SHIT" leveled at panty shot adventure xxiii or whatever.
>>130064The constant whining and bitching comes from other boards, mainly /b/, attacking /a/ in order to troll. Either you are a troll, or you're promoting their troll campaign by being stupid enough to fall for it.
>>130137threads, not pages. My bad.
>>130137Protip: That's not /a/.
>>130148>He's adoptedCute. They were about /a/, they concerned /a/, half the threads on this board are about /a/. If someone does stupid shit regarding /a/, then they weren't REALLY from /a/. What an adorable, shitty defense.
>>130156No. Some of the idiots posting threads about /a/ are from /a/. That one up right now with the Yotsuba OP, for instance, is probably from /a/.OP sure as hell isn't though. If it's about LET ME POST NARUTO or complaining about moeshit, it's not from /a/.
>>130105other boards also have their elitism, even /v/ to an extent>>130141Suuuure.. they're all trolls who try to frame /a/ and get more shitposting on the board, as if most users care enough. If you guys wouldn't have cried all the time in the first place this probably would never happened and I'm pretty sure most of the trolls are /a/ regulars who know how to enrage the board and not a "task force" of trolls dedicated to ruin /a//b/ is too retarded they rather focus on /mlp/
>>130156You have to be pretty fucking retarded to think the people who are actually from /a/ would complain about panty shot adventures. The only time they aren't masturbating to panty shots is when the girl isn't wearing panties.
>>130178I wasn't including him - for example "Remove gets from /a/" idiot? Deffo /a/, and definitely not worth our time. I want /a/ to leave. There was a sentiment expressed the other day that /a/ could handle itself just fine without /q/'s help. I'd love to see them try, because it would mean more discussion about how to improve 4chan and not just /a/. >>130182>other boards also have their elitism, even /v/ to an extentThat's true - but about half the time /v/ will ignore a shitty post. /a/ sees one and OH MAN, I BETTER KEEP BUMPING THIS UNTIL LIMIT WHILE CALLING THEM A SHITHEAD
>>130182>other boards also have their elitism, even /v/ to an extentessentially, all boards have it except /b/ as far as i can tell>Suuuure.. they're all trolls who try to frame /a/ and get more shitposting on the board, as if most users care enough. I don't think anyone is saying it's just people trolling but you can't deny it's easy bait both in /a/ and /q/[spoiler]one thing I don't understand is why the fuck would you want to talk about big 3 on /a/? this is the reason why I think anyone bringing up naruto recently is trolling because they know what will happen and they just do it to see the guaranteed replies[/spoiler][spoiler]also im not the guy you were replying too sorry for the wall of text/punctuation[/spoiler]
No because just imagine all those newfags raging all over /a/ and /q/ because they got banned for posting about nurutu or some shit like that. Yeah, no. It's like what bronies are doing to /b/, they're going to insist more and more and we will never get rid of those faggots.
>>130215>one thing I don't understand is why the fuck would you want to talk about big 3 on /a/?Why would you want to talk about anything on /a/? What you're asking is, "Why would you want to talk about anime on /a/, the board for anime?" Yes, it's a level similar to talking about calladuty on /v/, but fuck - even they can manage intelligent discussion on why it's shit. /a/ doesn't say much beyond "ENTRY LEVEL SHOUNEN SHIT GET OFF MY /a/", leaving people wondering why they can't discuss anime on /a/. >also im not the guy you were replyingID's bro, butthanks for telling me anyway. It's nice that you're so civil. ... No matter how I type that, it sounds sarcastic, doesn't it? >>130223>Only newfags could possibly like x, because I don't like it and I've been here for ages!Early Naruto is quite tolerable. It's only when it goes full fucking CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIN with Sasuke doing random-ass shit that it loses all goddamn appeal.
>>130189If you take out the shitspamming like OP, then /a/ doesn't have any more threads than your average board. Thankfully the shitspamming is finally dying down.> definitely not worth our time. Oh, I agree.I also am not delusional enough to think that this is any different than 90% of the shit posted on this board. Do you also complain about BRING BACK DUBS and <insert any board on 4chan> NEEDS MORE MODS?
>>130238> Early Naruto is quite tolerableNo, it's not.
>>130238It's less like CoD and more like Angry Birds. CoD is more like Bleach.CoD is a pretty shitty game, but it's not exactly inimical to the board. It gets insulted regularly but is mostly left in peace.Angry Birds/Naruto, on the other hand, is born of a culture that is pretty much everything the board in question fucking hates. Of course it will get savaged the moment someone actually tries to talk about it.
I really hate coming on /q/ and finding a thread about /a/. you know why? You faggots make it look like /a/ is in shambles and plagued by shitposting or something And you do is just over-exaggerate shit that could be easily ignored. We discuss bleach on /a/. We discuss One Piece on /a/. We DON'T discuss Naruto on /a/. Anyone's who's been there for at least an hour would know that. even if there are people on /a/ who like Naruto, they know better than to post about it. The people who do make Naruto threads are asshats from other boards or trolls, both of whom should be ignored until they go away.
Nurutu threads are shitposting, shitposting is against the rules. If you don't understand such a simple thing you need to find another site to browse.
>>130259/a/ likes bleach thoughwe wait every week to see the backgrounds that kubo draws
I can't believe Narutofolk are still trying. This is way beyond funny now.Like >>130263 said, /a/ is actually doing pretty fine. Other boards need /q/ much more, /a/ shitposters don't need to take attention away.
>>130333one more week of summer left hang in there
>>130263I've seen Naruto threads that didn't get flamed and sage bombed. That was before /q/ though. You just need to know the /a/ etiquette well enough, and be extra careful in the OP. You can discuss any anime that way...
>>130336Not in my district.Can we make some sort of general or sticky for this shit? It's the same arguments over and over. Without even browsing the thread I can tell there's a post about elitism, lurk more, COD, shitposters, Deal with it, Grow up, /a/ustist, etc.
>>130345>I've seen Naruto threads that didn't get flamed and sage bombed.They never stay like that until bump limit, though, since they'd either be removed by mods or spammed anyway.
>>130365They'd leave the board by normal means. Very few threads reach the bump limit.
>>130372>They'd leave the board by normal means. This is what retards want to believe.
>>130377You think that any Naruto thread that isn't derailed would evolve into a giant Naruto general that ultimately consumes the board?
>>130372If you tolerate idiots, more idiots shot up believing that they're in good company.
>>130382Yes. Just look at ponyfaggots.
>>130397That was a completely different situation. The ponies actually started in /co/ and spread from there, it wasn't an outside invasion. The hostile reaction people showed toward the Marxist-Leninist Party only encouraged them and worsened the situation even further.
>>130263>plagued by shitpostingIt is and the shitposters constantly try to defend their actions on /q/.
>>130541Can't be helped if nurutards think they aren't obvious.
>>130552No no no. It's not just in naruto threads. It's in all threads. Shitposting plagues 4chan, but /a/ is especially bad with it. Don't like what I like? I guess I'll shitpost in your thread?Like what I don't like? I guess I'll shitpost in your thread. Something I haven't heard of but you look like you're having fun discussing it? I guess I'll shitpost in your thread. That anime was okay and I agree with you, but I think I'll shitpost in your thread. This is the "culture" that the retards want to defend.
>>130558Ask IRC to leave.
Isn't Ayn Rand still against the rules on /lit/ for the same reasons most people in this thread are citing for Naruto? If mods don't want threads on a certain series or topic, it should be mentioned in the rules.
>>130570Unfortunately they are part of the "culture" that cuntrags don't want to stop. >>130580Nothing banned on /lit/ except fanfics and shit in the global rules.
>>130580>Isn't Ayn Rand still against the rules on /lit/ for the same reasons most people in this thread are citing for Naruto?Ayn Rand mysteriously vanished from /lit/'s rules when people were citing on /q/ as precedence for banning Naruto. Funny thing, that.
>>130585and we have found the reason behind the cancer killing 4chan: /q/
>>130588>cancer killing 4chanRetarded phrase rolled out by anyone that wants to have something banned that they don't like.
>>130558You over-exaggerating. I maybe see one or two shitposts in a thread people dislike. The only time I see mass shitposting is Kronie and NURTU/retarded DBZ threads. Maybe you could archive some threads and post some examples for your argument.
>>130590>shit that has always been unaccepted in the community>suddenly reversed with the introduction of /q/>massive shitposting follows>>130591go to the foolz archive filter board by /q/search keyword: narutofilter by OP only
Oh for fucks sake. What's fucking wrong with you people!? Do you see this shit?>>129433>>129466That was the point of this thread and it has already been resolved. Nobody will ban Naruto and the mods wont do anything because it's too much of a hassle. Even the OP agreed on that.All I see now is "shitpost this and shitpost that". Fucking stop your shit. You people are all that's been wrong since the creation of /q/. Everything has been great on /a/ for ages and it still is great to this day. Why do you keep coming here and asking idiotic requests? 4chan and /a/ are not yours and nobody is going to listen to your whining. Just stop it, please.You just have to face it: /a/ will talk about anything anime related as long as they are willing to. If they are not willing to have something in their board they will drive it away.If you don't like that then try to be subtle when you want to talk about something unpopular and don't be a fag.
>>129055>Remember: The use of 4chan is a privilege, not a right. The 4chan staff reserves the right to revoke access and remove content without notice.>The 4chan staff reserves the right to revoke access and remove content without notice.>The 4chan staff reserves the right to revoke access and remove content without notice.>The 4chan staff reserves the right to revoke access and remove content without notice.>The 4chan staff reserves the right to revoke access and remove content without notice.Furthermore.>The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.Naruto isn't quality discussion. Neither is the Big 3 for that matter. But the Naruto fanbase is the biggest transgressor.
Gonna be honest, that mod seems like a huge faggot.
>>130618>But the Naruto fanbase is the biggest transgressor.No it isn't. It's the shitposters on /a/ thinking that the stereotype narutards are going to flood in just because naruto is allowed. There are shitty fanbases for everything. They have their own forums away from 4chan and rarely do they stray into here. It's not naruto fans that are the problem, it's /a/.
>>130618>Naruto isn't quality discussionNot to you. But then, you don't like the series.
>>130641This. I don't like cowboy bebop or flcl and don't think it's quality conversation but I don't go into threads about it just to shitpost.
>>130634Naruto fans are mongoloids who have very little knowledge of anime or manga. Any and almost all Big 3 fans are. One Piece fans a little bit less.You are the problem, not /a/. You degrade the knowledge base of /a/ and make /a/ more casual which encourages idiots from /b/ to browse the board.I bet you haven't broken the 100 mark yet.
>>130646>Drive people out of /a/ with shitposting>Shitpost in any thread those people even try to post >Wonder why there's so much shitpostingOr you could do like /tg/ does and derail shit threads into good ones. Or like /v/, post porn. At least other boards have INTERESTING sagebombers.
>>130646I don't watch or read the big 3. If that's what you're trying to imply. The most I've seen is 3 episodes of bleach probably 6 years ago.You're right that I haven't watched 100 series. But that's because I watch anime I think I'll enjoy. I don't watch it to grow my e-dick and think that I matter on /a/ as a result of it. If you really believe that bullshit about watching x amount of series means you should be on /a/, you have to understand you're the problem.
>>130652I usually go for a simple image dump. It keeps the people interested in the images and just generally pisses off the shitposters.
>>130646>I bet you haven't broken the 100 mark yet.you're one of those retards that partcipates in MAL threads aren't you?
>>130652We have shitposting because we are heavily understaffed. That's the bottom line.There was a time when /a/ was somewhat well moderated. Yes there was shit, but there's always been. Unfortunately, that mod quit and we were left without decent moderation until today.>>130654There are hundreds of good anime out there. And yes, you should be discouraged to post on /a/ if you have a low count because you simply cannot make insightful posts without watching and being exposed to hundreds of anime and manga.Note that I said discouraged to post. You should not be posting but lurking and gaining experience with different themes and characters and thus exposing yourself to even more anime and manga.Hell, there was a time where people who were new to the board did not dare to post. But now we have people who for some odd reason think that posting without lurking is normal behavior.
>>130666I encourage not to lurk before posting. Because it's bullshit. I lurked /a/ before I posted for a few weeks. Nothing gained by it. As for not being able to insightful posts blah blah bullshit. You're a shitposter and you know you are.
>>130666One of my favourite derails was one where people took each page of Naruto and dissected it with the care and attention that is typically given to old literary classics. Shit was fucking hilarious. Entertaining. Even a little educational. And would never fucking happen on current /a/, because you faggots don't understand how to take bad shit with jocularity!
>>130666Now back to the issue of Naruto.If you have a series that is so easily accessible by the idiots at /b/ and newfags alike, most likely, that will encourage these people to post, when they should not be posting.In that environment, of course, they're going to find their posts welcomed there because you really don't have to be an anime fan to post about Naruto.>Ohh my, nobody is telling me off, good I guess I should start posting more often.But here's the problem, since they simply do not have the knowledge to make insightful posts in other threads, they will degrade the quality of the board when they do eventually post. For example, most of them aren't familiar with casts such as directors, or even fansubing groups. I've seen many new users confuse Horriblesubs for an actual fansubing group.This of course creates conflict when other people correct them, which sends them into a defensive stance that shits up the whole thread.>>130680And here we go. Point proven.
I think Naruto threads are only active because of how many people shitpost in them, which oddly keeps them alive.Maybe if people took their sperg medicine for once, it'd be evident nobody would really want to talk about it and they'd just die off.
>>130689Point proven on what? Nothing. Lurking is absolutely worthless. You somehow seem to believe that people will drag up every piece of information through osmosis or some other magical bullshit that doesn't work.
>>130694You're digging your own grave. I don't really need to do anything more.
>>130696If you really honestly believe that lurking helps and that I'm "digging my own grave", then there's really nothing I can do to educate you.
>>130694>Lurking is absolutely worthlessKill yourself.
>>130694From my bit of lurking, I found the reverse image searches, how to into Exhentai, the /a/ wiki, Greenoval, and likely several other things that faggots ask for frequently on /a/.
>>130682It could happen, just not with a Naruto page. Jesus Christ this is not hard to understand.These two things are unchangebable facts (at least right now, the latter may change with time, and that's a lot of time):1. Banning Naruto makes no sense because it is perfectly within the board topic2. But nobody wants to see Naruto threads for various reasons.Now knowing this you have two options:1. Say "okay then, sucks that I can't talk about ma favrit animu but w/e" and do something else2. Whine and bitch about endlessly about the sky being blue, water being wet, and Naruto not ever getting officially banned from /a/ while still not being a topic you can post about.CHOOSEFUCKINGWISELY
>>130699It is worthless. Think about it. If everybody lurked, supposedly nobody would ever make threads about something people don't like. But if that were the case, how would the new lurkers know not to make those threads in the future? It's a load of shit. Also, don't get me wrong on what I'm saying. Coming to 4chan and lurking if you don't feel like posting is fine. You don't HAVE to post. I am saying that discouraging people from posting when they want to post about something and have the gaul not to be a shitposting retard like everyone else is wrong.
>>130689> I've seen many new users confuse Horriblesubs for an actual fansubing group.Well, you can learn that that's bullshit just by googling them. I'm an UTW fan myself. (As a side note, I find it interesting how fansub groups themselves have fans.)Here';s the problem, though - if no one posts about that shit (because everyone knows it) then how is it learned? I mean, I know FUCKING EVERYTHING bout 40k - because people are allowed to post "what the fuck is [faction here] on about" and get information, as opposed to /a/'s standard HURRR LURK response with, 30 posts in, someone saying a small hint of a bit of information then getting slammed for spoonfeeding.
>>130705>I find it interesting how fansub groups themselves have fans.That comes down to the way they do things. I prefer fffpeeps and mazui myself if they are available. One good example is Ika Musume. The "puns" that weren't puns were distracting, unfunny and I feel lessened the show by not actually translating what was being said properly. Then I found that fffpeeps didn't engage in that and found my new favourites.
>>130701When I lurked I not only learned things like that, but also more subtle things: what kind of threads /a/ will respond to, what kind of things will make thread turn into a heap of shit, and, amazingly enough, quite a few things about anime and especially the anime industry.
>>130705>because people are allowed to post "what the fuck is [faction here] on about" and get information, as opposed to /a/'s standard HURRR LURK response with, 30 posts in, someone saying a small hint of a bit of information then getting slammed for spoonfeeding.I should have read your entire post. I agree with you wholeheartedly. /a/ used to be my main board and I didn't post much anywhere else but /hr/ and /c/ which are image dump boards. But when I started posting on /co/, /tv/, /vg/ and others I was absolutely amazed to find that people were actually being helpful. I was amazed that 4chan wasn't full to the brim of cunts, but instead just half full and extremely localized. Though those boards still have issues with shitposting, just a lot less.
I haven't seen a single Naruto thread in a week, why is this conversation still taking place on this board?Leave /a/ alone.
>>130708And you couldn't do that while posting? Is it impossible for you to read replies and make your own or can you do both in a thread? Are you even reading my response right now? Are you learning what I'm saying? Or are you disregarding it all because your apparent lurking days are over and you know all you need to know and will ignore everything else from now on?
>>130704If 'not having enough examples of ba threads' were a true enough thing to render lurking ineffective, then it'd be a fucking miracle. But courtesy of fags like you we have shitposters and people who don't lurk anyways, a situation which is not likely to change ever.
>>130704Protip: The original posters from SA were heavily into anime and regularly hosted FTP servers for various anime.They were experienced. People lurked and learned from them.And people learn by watching other people and what's heavily discouraged on the board.For once, I didn't post at all for my first few years. I just simply didn't have the skills or the knowledge to make insightful posts or pictures. I didn't know how to make gifs, or how to photoshop anything, the anime that /a/ was talking about, how to download etc etc.Those skills took time to learn.
>>130724You can learn nothing valiable from lurking in "post ur anime waifu" and meme threads.
>>130719And you don't even go to /a/ anymore and are a self admitted casual who discourages lurking. You shouldn't be making suggestions on how to fix /a/ in the first place.
>>130724Like I give a fuck about SA or anyone that claim they lurked for years. Get over yourself faggot.
>>130724>Waiting yearsNaw. Took me a few months to learn /a/ is not a place where I want to discuss much of anything. The board decides what is good and what to shit on independant of what I find fun and interesting, and these interests often clash with mine so hard it hurts. So I don't go there. I'm still looking for a good site.
>>130728I don't lurk those either. They just don't add anything of value and are not entertaining.
>>130732>And you don't even go to /a/ anymoreYes I do. Do you want me to put a tripcode on to make myself more visible for you? > and are a self admitted casualI don't know when I ever said that. Or is this because my e-dick isn't a mile long with a list of shitty anime tattooed on it I have pushed myself to watch instead of watching what I enjoy?
>>130728>"post ur anime waifu" and meme threads.That isn't what /a/ is about. Disregard what he said about lurking for years, you only need to watch anime and know what is and isn't acceptable on the board before posting.Saying "Hai guise I'm new here, can u recommend me some animes ^_^?" isn't going to get you anywhere.
>>130739Yeah, but what I'm saying is that /a/ as it is right now is not a great place to lurk, because all you will learn is how to be a cunt, and you presumably already know that. You know, like maybe lurking would be more widely done if you could actually learn something from it. Right now it's not a problem to "fit in" with the average /a/ thread right away, because all you have to do is act like an idiot.
/a/ - Waifus & Mousepads
>>130710/a/ is actually quite helpful, provided you're not a faggot. Today I saw a person asking for source on some obscure screencap. Reverse image searching did not help (I tried it myself to check) an the anime was not something remotely well known. He had an answer three posts in. It just so happens that 90% of requests and such made of /a/ are things that could easily be dealt with through effort and/or lurking. Such people are faggots and get what they deserve.
>>130750>Why am I better than everyone else, it's such a burden being god's gift to the world. kill yourself
if the world was ideal, /a/ would function like this
>>130746>That isn't what /a/ is about.No, but it is what /a/ is full of.
>>130746But then asking for an anime rec based on enjoyinh the setting of Darksiders and the feel of Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, as well as general post-apoc, got me a first response of "boku no pico", a second of "lurk more" and a third linking to the wiki. The rest was shitspam. That's the experience that lead to me leaving.
>>130742>I don't know when I ever said that. >>130654>You're right that I haven't watched 100 series.It doesn't take a year to watch that much while keeping up with the seasons. >>130750I disagree but it depends on the thread. I didn't know that /ak/ was actually a scanlation group until yesterday. I started reading Gate and found it quite awesome. I'm still learning.
>>130758>/v/erminThank god you left.
>>130757>No, but it is what /a/ is full of.No it's not. Stop making shit up.
>>130755Lurking goes both ways, maybe you should also not go out of your way to be an asshole, how about that?
Everyone who has every tried to change /a/ is a selfish narcissistic little cunt, so why are /a/nons actually talking to them seriously? People who try to change other boards are only concerned with themselves, they'll never listen to you.Just let them be shitty on their own and go back and talk about anime
>>130760Doesn't take 6 years either which is when I started getting back into anime. But that doesn't mean I'm going to watch every piece of shit I can just because other people liked them.
>>130758It depends on how you present yourself in the OP. I've seen some successful rec threads before. Avoid words like "moeshit" and "manly", and don't make it obvious that you're from /v/.
>>130776Maybe you just don't enjoy anime and didn't give a rats ass about trying to find what you liked.Maybe you should have lurked more and figured out how to obtain recommendations for shows similar to what you liked. Ohh well.
>>130770>People who try to change other boards are only concerned with themselvesSince /q/ was made I've tried to get shitposting to be dealt with by mods. Not for myself, but for the benefit of everyone. I hate cowboy bebop. It's a shit show with crappy characters that I enjoyed only the music of. But I hate even more the retards that go into those threads and tell them to fuck off to /co/ or /v/ or what ever because those people don't like the people posting. You may think it's narcissistic, but that's because you're a hypocrite and YOU don't want to it to change.
>>130776>But that doesn't mean I'm going to watch every piece of shit I can just because other people liked them.You don't have to watch anything you don't like. But you should at least try to catch up to shit airing in the current season and find something you like so you have something to discuss.
>>130783>Maybe you should have lurked more and figured out how to obtain recommendations for shows similar to what you liked. Ohh well.Again, lurking isn't worth shit for that. When I first came here I looked into Minami-ke threads and lucky star threads. Admittedly, I found Haruhi through Lucky Star, but because of the show not the posters. But I never found any other shows as a result of those threads until I asked the question "what are some other good series like this I should see". Then I was introduced to Hidamari, Azumanga and others.
>>130789I've never asked a single time for recommendations and I've got 200 shows on my "to watch" list. How dumb are you?
>>130785>But I hate even more the retards that go into those threads and tell them to fuck off to /co/ or /v/ or what ever because those people don't like the people posting. The reason they're told to fuck off is often not because they posted CB, but because they had a shitty opening post.
>>130788>You don't have to watch anything you don't like. Exactly my point. >But you should at least try to catch up to shit airing in the current seasonFuck that. If I don't see something I like, I'm not going to watch a few episodes of every airing show just to add another dozen to my dropped list. I look at the charts, I read the descriptions, I check MAL for anything that looks interesting then I go from there. I'm not going to force myself to watch something I won't like.
>>130762>You can either like vidya or animu, god forbid enjoying both!
>>130792Dumb enough not to add shit I won't like. >>130793That is a fair comment and I agree that happens a lot. But it doesn't happen all the time. >>130796As long as you don't act like the cunts we already have on /a/ I welcome you to post more.
bad mods
>>130797All I asked for was animu that was post-apoc, with the stipulation it be either sci-fi or fantasy. I did this with eazily recognizable fiction. /a/ shit itself because it happened to be interactive. No way am I going back.
>>130795No no no, you're missing what I said. At least try them out to see if you like them or not. When I first saw SAO I thought it would be great; it was shit. I saw Hyouka and thought it would be shit, but I actually like it. Try new things, anon.
>>130801Well it's unfortunate that our worthless shitbags scared you off. I would help you with recommendations myself, but post-apocalypse isn't my thing. I couldn't really get into fallout.
>>130801how do i google charts?
>>130803What works for you doesn't work for everyone. I'll agree that my methods don't work for everyone. Some people may want to watch every show that is airing and cut out the ones they don't like. I'm just saying that's not the only way to do things.
>>130801I don't know very much about post-apoc things, but I would recommend Akira (Who hasn't watched that, yet?) or Bokurano(Though it's not post-apoc you'll still love it).>>130811I understand then.
>>130797>That is a fair comment and I agree that happens a lot. But it doesn't happen all the time. I know. Sometimes completely legitimate threads get shitposted, and that's a shame. But I've also seen a number of decent CB threads. So it's a bit of a crapshoot, I suppose, due to the number of morons who suck Spike's dick.
>>130809All of the wiki charts: "Here's a bunch of shit, without any regard for genre or quality!" I mean, fuck, one of them had Death Note.
>>130814You can't blame a bunch of old charts for /a/ disliking Death Note out of hipster elitism. I remember when that show aired, it was very well liked.
>>130814Pretty much. Most of the charts are useless as well because they show pictures of shows with no explanation of what they are about and why they are worth watching. It's more bullshit for people to go through so they can have a dick measuring contest. There are a couple that are set to a theme and have descriptions but other than that it's a load of shit.
>>130814oh look what google got mebut since im an unhelpful faggot, ill give you the grunt of the workhttp:/[spoiler]/www.a[spoiler]ni[spoiler]m[spoiler]e-pl[spoiler]an[spoiler]et.c[spoiler]om[spoiler]/tags[spoiler]/post-[spoiler]a[spoiler]pocal[spoiler]yptic/ani[spoiler]me[spoiler]
>>>/a/70598262Here is an example of a good chart. >>>/a/70598316Here is an example of a bad chart.
>>130817>I remember when that show aired, it was very well liked.That's because it became complete and utter shit after L died.
>>130826i will second this
>>130825Though, it's not a great chart. It explains styles and a bit of behind the scenes information. It's not good for describing the plot. >>>/a/70598431Another example of a crappy chart.
>>130825So do you think that Naruto should be allowed on /a/?
>>130830I think all anime should be allowed on /a/. Keep in mine that I don't watch or read naruto and there is a lot of anime I don't like. But I think all of it should be allowed and the shitposting retards that will sagebomb or spam in another way threads about something they don't like should be banned.
>>130830It is allowed on /a/, but we should be allowed to tell people to who post it to fuck off, just /mu/ is within it's rights to tell people who post Linkin Park and Skrillex to fuck off.Isn't the freedom to express your opinion what 4chan is all about?
I wish you people could feel the emotions I'm feeling toward you right now. It's something like disgust mixed with exhaustion mixed with disappointment.Stop bitching will ya? Just stop. Is that so hard? Must you complain 24/7? It's tiring just reading your posts, imagining what it must like to be always angry and dissatisfied with everything
>>130830believe it or not, the community is the embodiment of the rulesits somewhat of a moderated anarchyif the community says naruto doesnt belong, naruto doesnt belongwe have our standardsmods are just there to keep things in proper order should a shitstorm happenoh and look what happened when lolimod went against the grain and pretty much said fuck you to the entire board
>>130842>assuming "the board" equals "people who gorespam"I'm really starting to believe that these posts are from the actual gorespammers. I'm probably giving them too much credit, but I'm not sure how anyone not actively involved with the spam could come up with such intensely flawed logic.
>>130876It might be because the others are more recent but I don't think gorespam was as bad. I remember coloured boxes and accelspam far more than gorespam. Though it could also be that I just wasn't in targeted threads for that as much.
>>129028>>129028Concept of self-moderation. If /a/ doesn't like it, /a/ can get rid of it themselves. To enumerate what series /a/ doesn't like would be inefficient and completely retarded.Unfortunately people take self-moderation to mean "shit posting," which it's not. Therein lies our problem.I think it should just be left as is really.
GET YOUR SHITTY THREAD OFF OF /a/ YOU FUCKING IDIOT
>>130888I think you made some pretty good posts ITT. you may have shot yourself in the foot with the way you worded your point about 'lurking', as lurking obviously DOES help, but you're completely correct that a lot of the people who shout 'LURK MORE' are, in fact, just promoting their idea of 'board culture' i.e. shitposting. And between the typical obnoxious /a/ post and a newfag who tries to make insightful posts and shares actual opinions but occasionally messes up, I'd rather have the latter.This is the biggest problem with "/a/ culture"; the people who champion said 'culture' are often the type of people who say shit like "here's a huge list of anime with no story descriptions or anything of any merit, half-heartedly categorized by genre. Watch all of it, then come back, because otherwise you don't belong on /a/". And naturally these people are usually the ones least likely to contribute actual discussion; I'm willing to bet that the people who post those lists completely lacking in content are also people who make posts that are basically a series of memes and catchphrases with absolutely no personal touch or anything of any merit.They're also people who obsess over watching lots and lots of anime, instead of watching what you like and becoming knowledgeable about it. There are people who actually go out of their way to finish things they obviously hate because it's their 'durty' as hardcore anime fans. Not even 'hardcore gamers' do this; elitist video game players would never force someone to finish something they hate for the sake of adding extra points to your MyVideoGameList account.It's not just /a/, I've seen the same shit on /u/ and that's a tiny board.
>>130921Have you heard of google? Why should someone have to provide you with a plot synopsis of every anime in existence? Are you incapable of googling a short summary and deciding if you want to watch a show?
>>130926There's no point in arguing with him. He wants it to be okay to be a casual on /a/. Unfortunately or not, it isn't going to happen.
>>130910I don't think it SHOULD, but there's not much of a choice. I do think it would be possible to make the spamming significantly less shitty and more manageable with some intense moderation. However, as someone said earlier, said moderation would require lots of effort; I can see how a mod wouldn't want to put all that work into /a/ when they really get nothing in return.
>>130829>It's not good for describing the plot. How retarded do you have to be to not be able to google that?I knew that people who decried lurking more were retarded but I never dreamed that it was this orders of magnitude.
Why would you watch Naruto, are you 12?
>>130921You've summed up pretty much everything I think is wrong with /a/. I don't doubt that other boards suffer from it. Though I wasn't expecting something like /u/. I thought that was just another image dump board.>>130933Hopefully the janitors change that a bit. I just hope they understand it's the shitposting that needs to go and not anime they don't like. >>130934I think you've missed the point entirely.
>>130921>"here's a huge list of anime with no story descriptions or anything of any merit, half-heartedly categorized by genre. Watch all of it, then come back, because otherwise you don't belong on /a/".The second you spoonfeed, you're already worse than any newfag who could possibly post on the board. Whatever their intentions, those people are conditioning new poster to expect things to be handed to them instead of learning how to manage by themselves.I agree with you when you talk about the shitposting, somehow people confuse self-moderation for this. And shitposting is not within /a/'s "board culture." Shitposting is a disease that affects most boards and really stands out in a few. /a/ is one of these boards. But all of this would go away if everyone who visited "lurked" before they actually posted. I mean, seriously, just having a look around you can see what the atmosphere is like, what's accepted and what's not, how to do things, et cetera. If one is going to jump in blindly, they can't complain about lashback.
>>130931It's funny because recommendation threads do get responses, and people who ask for recommendations quite often do get new material to watch IF the OP goes beyond a shitty, empty "tell me something to watch XD". If someone says "I'm into this type of narrative, or this sort of execution" some people will deem it reasonable to give out some recommendations and the thread will get non-sage responses.You're treating /a/ as this hyper-elite community where everyone is an internet tough guy over watching Japanese cartoons. It really isn't, and the people flooding these threads with comments stating that it is aren't a good summary of the majority of /a/. Most /a/ posters don't go to /q/ to defend "/a/ culture" (shitposting) to the death just as most /a/ posters who dislike Naruto will just scroll past the threads.
>>130944Janitors aren't in charge of making 4chan into your personal board, so I doubt they'll do anything but enforce the rules
Why would anyone want to discuss Naruto on 4chan anyway? It has other communities devoted to it where people who like it can fit in.
>>130944Congratulations, your posts just capsized any and all attempts to change /a/.You're a walking PR disaster kiddo.
>>130948>Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, >All boards that default to the Yotsuba B or Burichan (blue) theme are to be considered "work safe." Violators may be temporarily banned and their posts removed. Note: Spoilered pornography or other not safe for work content is NOT allowed.I hope so. >>130954But I don't care what the elitists think.
>>130946Instead of spoonfeeding, I usually direct people to sites that spoonfeed them. I tell them what the names of groups are, so they can google to get subs. I tell people how to get 4chanx so they can easily reverse-google. If there's anything I hate, it's people who are trying to be helpful being drowns in a mess of "STOP SPOONFEEDING FAGET">>130954Such as this guy, who clearly believes that one, if you post anywhere but /a/, you should be banned from /a/, and two, only the animus that /a/ likes should be posted on /a/ (yipee, echo chamber)
>>130961Didn't one of the developers say that 4chanx was bad for the board? Or was it plus?
>>130949Because /a/ is the only place where I can find engaging animation discussions that actually move fast. The others are tiny cliques like Anipages Daily.When I made that thread >>129235 there were multiple people willing to discuss Naruto's animation with me in a friendly way. And the spam was clearly from one, MAYBE two people. Which really makes it obvious that this "/a/ as a whole wants Naruto threads gone forever" thing is just a way to justify shitposting. Most people who dislike it simply don't give a fuck.I'm not really expecting the mods to do anything because as I said, it takes lots of effort and I can see how they wouldn't want to put said effort into improving /a/ when they don't even get paid for it. But to pretend that this is anything more than a minority of shitposters with too much time on their hands trying to police the board through trolling, you're mistaken.
>>130959Then stop coming to /a/. Why would you post on /a/ if you don't want to talk to anyone there?It really blows my mind what a bad poster you are. You should be banned just for lowering the quality of whatever board you post on.
>>129055You know what is? Posting it to get a reaction from people. You're not being noble, you're being a cunt.
>>130959With those posts, nobody is going to care about your arguments either.I think you highlight the problem with /q/: casuals who portray themselves as active members of the board trying to change it.>Such as this guy, who clearly believes that one, if you post anywhere but /a/, you should be banned from /a/, and two, only the animus that /a/ likes should be posted on /a/ I never said that. Quote me.
>>1309644chanX is bad in that puts a strain on the bandwidth, but it's an obvious plus for the end user.>>130961Telling someone to get 4chanX is honestly the best thing you can do. Anytime I see "sauce" I just reply with "install 4chanX and reverse image search."
>>130947>You're treating /a/ as this hyper-elite community where everyone is an internet tough guy over watching Japanese cartoons.Nononono, I'm not. I'm just saying that encouraging casuals and normalfags is not the best thing for the board.>>130949No one really does. The people who make Naruto threads are fags from other boards trying to be "LOL XD TROLLZORZ XDDD" or someone who hasn't been here for more than an hour, both of whom should be ignored.>>130959>But I don't care what the elitists think.Well that's too bad>>130961>Such as this guy, who clearly believes that one, if you post anywhere but /a/, you should be banned from /a/,Nah, I think he was saying that casuals shouldn't have a say in how /a/ should be run
Don't you love how since this thread has gone up, the number of shitposting threads has also gone up?
>>130970>With those posts, nobody is going to care about your arguments either.The people that agree with me do. But that's the nature of it. I don't care for my oppositions arguments and they don't care for mine. >>130966>Why would you post on /a/ if you don't want to talk to anyone there?Because I'm one of the handful of people that believes it's possible to make a post that isn't a shitpost.
>>130978>Because I'm one of the handful of people that believes it's possible to make a post that isn't a shitpost.You sound way more self-centered and elitist than anyone on /a/. You think you're better than everyone, which is exactly what you're railing against.Oh god the irony literally hurts
>>130973>>Nah, I think he was saying that casuals shouldn't have a say in how /a/ should be runLet me reiterate: Anyone who goes to /a/ now can see it's a shithole. If you can't, you're blinded by elitism and the belief that not getting banned for spamming threads makes you right. You're not.>No one REALLY wants to discuss X, they're all trolls./a/, gentlemen! Look upon it.
>>130978>The people that agree with me do.You mean Narutards like the OP?
>>130975No I don't. I came on /q/ because I saw the amount of shitpost and I wanted to see the source thread to put a stop to it.
Ohh great, now we have some butthurt autist spamming rec threads on /a/.
>>130984>Let me reiterate: Anyone who goes to /a/ now can see it's a shithole.Everyone on /a/ disagrees>>130988Isn't it great how these guys are really improving the board?
>>130978>I don't care for my oppositions arguments and they don't care for mine. That's not how you argue, anon.>Because I'm one of the handful of people that believes it's possible to make a post that isn't a shitpost.Well look who's the elitist now>>130984I go to /a/. It IS shit at times. But it's good how it is. I don't spam nor do I condone spam, I don't care what you feel like Naruto threads, I've filtered that shit already.
>>130966I come to /a/ to talk to the minority of people who are genuinely knowledgeable and insightful, not the people who think they are 'elite' because they watched a lot of anime. Some of the genuinely insightful posters can be quite dickish at times, but none of them are the type of people who go to /q/ to actively champion the board-policing of a minority of gorespammers because they dislike the series being targeted.>>130946It's not 'spoonfeeding' if the OP actually gives a detailed description of the types of themes and execution that he enjoys, like the guy who made the post about Fallout and whatnot ITT.Basically "recommend me anime" is one thing. But if someone said "I just watched Only Yesterday and I enjoyed it. Please recommend me more down-to-earth yet expressionistic slice-of-life anime with a similarly downplayed, perhaps melancholic theme and good animation" then that would actually be a nice post open to discussion. It would certainly be better than the typical meme-ridden ">MFW OP CAN'T INTO ANIME. THIS RUSTLES MY JIMMIES SO BAD I BURST INTO TREATS. POST YOUR WAIFU IMOUTOS ITT." posting that plagues 4chan as a whole.
>>130972I've never bothered to use it. People always said to get it so you can filter tripfags, but I had the amazing idea of not reading their posts if they were bothersome. Unfortunately it's not enough for some people. What else does it do except help reverse image search? >>130983>You sound way more self-centered and elitist than anyone on /a/. You think you're better than everyone, which is exactly what you're railing against.Ok I'll admit that is a very fair point for some of my posts. But I do honestly think that it is better to just ignore the threads about series you don't like and just report them if they are against the rules. Also, I don't really consider myself elitist because I want everyone to be able to post fairly. I don't want to exclude certain anime just because others don't like them or their fanbase they think will post. >>130985I don't believe he is a narutard. There's a difference between a fan and a narutard.
>>130994> I want everyone to be able to post fairly.meaning> I want everyone to post the way I want and I will disregard the opinions of the whole board to get my way
>>130990>That's not how you argue, anon.No, but it seems to be the only way /a/ can work. We aren't really trying to appeal to eachother, but rather to an authority that can either ban everything that the elitists don't like, or start cutting down on shitposting.
>>131003Mods don't take one guy seriously, much less if he disagrees with the majority.
>>130992>It's not 'spoonfeeding' if the OP actually gives a detailed description of the types of themes and execution that he enjoys, like the guy who made the post about Fallout and whatnot ITT.You're right, but we are talking about "lol wht do i watch nxt guiz xD xD" rec threads. If you actually post on /a/ you'd realize that some of the best threads are in fact recommendation threads in which the OP actually has an idea of what he is looking for and clearly isn't fishing for posts, just look at any manga recommendation thread. Almost ALWAYS they're done right, it's really only with anime you see shit rec threads.>>130990>I go to /a/. It IS shit at timesYeah, all boards are shit at times.>>1309944chanX updates threads automatically so you don't have to F5, has a quick reply function, makes it easier to perform image dumps, et cetera. Instead of having me list all the features, you could just Google it you know.
>>130994>>What else does it do except help reverse image search? Let's see...Post without leaving the page, auto-update, reply as a window and not aq box on the screen, (meaning the reply box can follow you as you scxroll, hide threads, hide replies, filter subject, name, and trips, expand images inthread... There is a lot of features.
>>130992>It's not 'spoonfeeding' if the OP actually gives a detailed description of the types of themes and execution that he enjoys, like the guy who made the post about Fallout and whatnot ITT.True.>>130994> I want everyone to be able to post fairlyNo you don't. You want everyone to post how YOU want. If someone doesn't like something, or thinks that you're a fag, they should be able to express that.>>131003>No, but it seems to be the only way /a/ can work. Nah, it isn't.>We aren't really trying to appeal to eachother, but rather to an authority that can either ban everything that the elitists don't like, or start cutting down on shitposting.Very good point. However, /a/ is just fine. I don't know why I come here everyday to see the same shit about >WAAAAAAHH!! Mommy, /a/ is being unfair, go in their house and tell them what to do!!What would it take for /q/ to leave /a/ alone?
>>130973>Nononono, I'm not. I'm just saying that encouraging casuals and normalfags is not the best thing for the board.What the fuck is wrong with 'normalfags', at least in the way you're using the word? I'd understand if you used this word to define, say, people who think lolicon is objectively evil and shit up threads about that stuff with their "this is wrong and immoral because I find it icky" logic. But by your logic "normalfags" equals "anyone who isn't an internet tough guy about anime".And the way you keep using 'casuals' is also silly. Most of the really loud 'elite' /a/ posters know absolutely nothing about anime; nothing about storyboarding, nothing about direction, nothing about writing, nothing about animation, nothing that is actually a real requirement to being knowledgeable about the medium of animation. /a/'s 'elite' are unique to even 4chan in their strange idea that simply watching lots and lots of bullshit will make you an expert. None of the elitist people on /v/ will pretend that having a Backloggery account full of garbage that they didn't even enjoy and only played for extra e-penis will make you knowledgeable on gaming. Elitists usually stress quality, not the amount of time you spent playing something.Actually, wait... the people who stress watching lots of stuff above all else are comparable to people who think they are 'hardcore gamers' for playing World of Warcraft and other timesink games that revolve around watching avatar strength rise up, as opposed to player skill.>No one really does. The people who make Naruto threads are fags from other boards trying to be "LOL XD TROLLZORZ XDDD" or someone who hasn't been here for more than an hour, both of whom should be ignored.see>>129223WOW LOOK AT THAT UNREASONABLE, HORRIBLE TROLLING. Come on, dude.
>>131003Would you just shut the fuck up? Stop being a shitty poster and maybe people will talk to you. All you've done in this thread is be the exact opposite of what someone on 4chan should be. You claim that /a/ has shit taste, yet you beg /a/ to tell you exactly what to watch. You tell people NOT to lurk, despite what every mod and moot, the admin of this website, has said about the subject, you don't give a single shit about anything ANYONE but yourself wants but you claim you want "everyone" to enjoy /a/.Are you so blind that you can't see what a shitty person you are? Do you really think that you're so amazing that you should just get to completely destroy a community of posters because someone insulted you a couple times?
>>131011Well thankfully I'm not the only one arguing what I'm arguing. >>131012The image dump sounds interesting but the others don't really. The automatic refresh sounds like it would be tough on the servers though if it is as popular on 4chan as it is on /a/.
>>131017And how much anime have you watched, out of curiosity?
>>130944>Hopefully the janitors change that a bit. I just hope they understand it's the shitposting that needs to go and not anime they don't like. They likely won't unless there will be some controlled effort to change the moderation on /a/ for the better. Janitors put even less effort than mods, and I assume there's even less requirements needed to become a janitor. /u/ has janitors and they're pure garbage, deleting perfectly on-topic threads if someone decides to report them.>You've summed up pretty much everything I think is wrong with /a/. I don't doubt that other boards suffer from it. Though I wasn't expecting something like /u/. I thought that was just another image dump board.snort
>>131027Snort?
>>131017> But by your logic "normalfags" equals "anyone who isn't an internet tough guy about anime".No.>And the way you keep using 'casuals' is also silly. Most of the really loud 'elite' /a/ posters know absolutely nothing about anime; nothing about storyboarding, nothing about direction, nothing about writing, nothing about animation, nothing that is actually a real requirement to being knowledgeable about the medium of animation.We watch and discuss anime, not make it.> /a/'s 'elite' are unique to even 4chan in their strange idea that simply watching lots and lots of bullshit will make you an expert.You've gotta be dicking me. No one gives a shit about how many anime you've watched. We mostly talk about anime airing this season and other shit, not suck each other's dick over who's seen the most anime.> None of the elitist people on /v/ >/v/Yeah, no.>Actually, wait... the people who stress watching lots of stuff above all else are comparable to people who think they are 'hardcore gamers' for playing World of Warcraft and other timesink games that revolve around watching avatar strength rise up, as opposed to player skill.Again, no one gives a shit about who's watched what.
>>131024Around 100 finished anime. Generally I try a LOT of stuff but end up dropping most of it. Anime-wise the stuff I end up enjoying tends to be short TV series, movies or OVAs. Ever since I got into anime when I was around 13, I had my standards and watched things that fit into those standards. I get a lot of "YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE ANIME, GO BACK TO /co/ YOU TASTELESS FAGGOT!!!" responses but I also get responses from people who are fine with my tastes and are willing to discuss that stuff. The latter group is why I'm still on /a/.
I just want to fucking talk about naruto on the fucking Anime boardjesus fucking christbut no we need to fuck around with shit mods like in OPs picmake it against the rules or do a better job of these stupid dubs and sageing bs
>>131044Have you at least seen Cencoroll?>>131046You're not funny
>>131046There are hundreds of series that I have watched that I can't talk about.Surely you can go without having daily threads about one show
>>131043> No one gives a shit about how many anime you've watched. We mostly talk about anime airing this season and other shit, not suck each other's dick over who's seen the most anime.>Again, no one gives a shit about who's watched what.I'm not sure what to say to this. If you don't see the obvious WATCH MORE ANIME YOU CASUAL posts then I can't help you.>We watch and discuss anime, not make it.Yeah, and?Having technical knowledge, knowing who wrote what, who animated what, who directed which episode and what goes into making anime etc opens brand new avenues of discussion that go beyond mere catchphrase-spouting and other types of 'wacky zany' 4chan posts completely devoid of content.
>>131050I'm not being funny >>131051Sorry I don't take it up the ass like you and rather voice my opinion
>>131056Go ahead and make a Naruto thread then. I won't stop you.>>131053I don't feel like arguing with you anymore
>>131022>The image dump sounds interesting but the others don't really. The automatic refresh sounds like it would be tough on the servers though if it is as popular on 4chan as it is on /a/.It has a lot of extremely useful features, and there really isn't a point in NOT using it. Also, as I said before, it does place a strain on 4chan's servers but moot himself has acknowledged that 4chanX does the community a service and has worked with the devs of 4chanX and similar apps in order to make it easier on 4chan as a site.>>131046I don't seem to understand why you want to force Naruto on a board that obviously doesn't want to talk about it. If you actually had a desire to discuss the series, you wouldn't bother anymore and just post on Gaia, Reddit, or some other forum.
>>131050I did and I didn't really care for it too much. Though I can see the merit in such works (see Bill Plympton stuff) I generally don't care for the concept of 'THIS IS ALL ONE PERSON'S VISION, INDIE AS FUCK' and I believe the best cartoons in general (not just anime) are the group efforts made by a multitude of people pouring their heart and soul into the work and being treated like individual artists. This is how classic Looney Tunes shorts were made, with each one obviously having the fingerprint of its staff and that to me is animation at its best.I judge anime the way I judge all other cartoons.
>>131066>just post on Gaia, Reddit, or some other forum.That is a shitty argument. Why don't you post there? Obviously you like anime, they have anime boards, so you must want to post there. They like the stuff you like. Actually, how about we delete every anime forum on the net except for one, because they all have the same community and they all like the same stuff, so that's how it should be. Right? That's basically what you advocate with that shitty argument.
>>131069Good to hear>>131070You should calm down. It isn't even that serious. In the end, we're all just a bunch of board manchildren arguing with each other about an imageboard.
>>131070see>>131018You're the exact kind of poster that moot doesn't want on his website and no one will take you seriously as long as you continue to be proud of that fact.
>>131075>You're the exact kind of poster that moot doesn't want on his website Appeal to authority doesn't work especially when the authority has never said or hinted at what you are arguing. >>131074Listen I'm as calm as you are. You don't need to be pissed off to make a point.
>>131075>herp derp moot said u suxShut the fuck up
>>131075I personally think the LURKING IS WORTHLESS post was just a result of him getting emotional in an argument. Obviously lurking helps to an extent but it's not the foolproof retard-repellant that people think it is.This other point he made was great:>Also, don't get me wrong on what I'm saying. Coming to 4chan and lurking if you don't feel like posting is fine. You don't HAVE to post. I am saying that discouraging people from posting when they want to post about something and have the gaul not to be a shitposting retard like everyone else is wrong.
I wish the Mods and Moot wouldn't dance around this issue and give the final word already. Though it is fun arguing with you guys, it does get tiring. WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU MOOT!!?
>>131078hey yiadnJzO plz see >>131081by not taking back your 'LURKING IS INHERENTLY WORTHLESS' statement (which I'm sure you don't stand 100% by) people will keep targeting you for it and ignoring your other points. I get what you're saying but lurking IS good to an extent and it's a good idea to spend some time doing it. People shouldn't be nearly as militant about it as they are, but taking the opposite extreme approach won't help your cause.
>>131087Do you mean like this?
>>131088>>131078basically think of it this waya non-lurking newfag who gets some things wrong but makes posts with actual content and opinions >>>>>>>>> a wannabe elitist '/a/ culture' shitposterbut someone who BOTH lurked for a while AND is a good, insightful poster will be better than both!
>>131089see>>129031I acknowledged that in my second post and it was addressed. Read the thread.
